Billboard Hot 100: 07/09/2022

[firefox]

Jul 2, 2022 3:48:27 GMT -5 Codex said:

Jul 1, 2022 13:27:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

About Damn Time at #3 and Jimmy Cooks at #5 will get me some big W’s in the Predictor Cup thing:

This Top 10 is so funny to me. Imagine telling someone a year ago that July’s top 10 will have a sample of Glamorous, a Beyoncé lead with a Show Me Love sample, a Juice rehash by Lizzo (which flopped back then), a sample of Fantasy, Heat Waves spending its billionth week, and obviously the 35 year old Kate Bush song (which is about to reach top 20 on pop RADIO…?)

Glimpse of Us not in the top 10???! TF

[joshtheking]

Feel like Glimpse Of Us is gonna get the Good Days treatment on the Hot 100. Let's hope not though

[badrobot]

This will be the 4th run at #1 for As It Was, I think that has happened before but it’s rare. It’s also not impossible that it ends up doing this a 5th time in a few weeks.

[phieaglesfan712]

Nice For What (4,2,1,1) and Mood (2,3,1,2) are the only songs with 4 separate runs at #1.

[fridayteenage]

Jul 2, 2022 3:56:29 GMT -5 Codex said:

Jul 1, 2022 13:47:40 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

What holds "About Damn Time" back for me is its lack of streaming. Even if "Stay" and others have lingered at radio for too long, they at least had really good streaming at one point. "ADT" hasn't gotten higher than #8 in streaming, and more so during its run it has been out of the streaming top 10 a lot of that time. In 2022 I don't see how something can be seen as one of the biggest hits of the year if it is was never one of the bigger songs on streaming.

That is true, but also it has 3.9 million videos on TikTok which is on par with As It Was (3.8m) and much more than First Class (1.6m) and Heat Waves (2.6m). Although, I’m surprised Heat Waves isn’t higher… It’s been constantly viral for like 2 years so maybe I just didn’t find all the versions.

I say this because for example, I’ve only streamed About Damn Time maybe 30 times but heard it at least another 100 times on TikTok, so it feels bigger than what my iTunes would show.

I've streamed it one time and heard it maybe one time on tiktok.

[kcdawg13]

I can't believe Glimpse Of Us isn't gonna be Top 10 with its streams yet Big Energy is gonna be Top 10 with like zero streams and just airplay. Heat Waves you can make sense of, because it's still #13 on Spotify so it's not just radio propping it up. Ain't nobody streaming Big Energy, it's only at 130 million streams after being out for almost a year and having a #3 peak on the Hot 100.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[phieaglesfan712]

Doja could have 4 songs in the Top 30:

[HolidayGuy]

kcd- I know you're exaggerating by saying "like zero streams" for "Big Energy." :) It re-entered the HITS top 50 streaming chart this week, at 35 (nearly 6.4 million audio streams).

In any event, some predictions have "Glimpse of Us" in the top 10, ahead of BE.

[phieaglesfan712]

I think we can all agree this Top 10 would be so much better with Glimpse of Us and The Kind of Love We Make instead of another week of Heat Waves and Big Energy.

[fridayteenage]

yes to glimpse of us, no to the other song.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

July 7, 1962

01 02 The Stripper - David Rose & His Orchestra (1st and only week at #1)
02 05 Roses Are Red (My Love) - Bobby Vinton
03 01 I Can't Stop Loving You - Ray Charles
04 03 Palisades Park - Freddy Cannon
05 04 It Keeps Right On A-Hurtin' - Johnny Tillotson
06 10 Al Di La - Emilio Pericoli
07 13 Wolverton Mountain - Claude King
08 11 Snap Your Fingers - Joe Henderson
09 14 Johnny Get Angry - Joanie Sommers
10 07 Playboy - The Marvelettes


July 8, 1967

01 01 Windy - The Association (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 03 Little Bit O' Soul - The Music Explosion
03 07 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Frankie Valli
04 04 San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) - Scott McKenzie
05 10 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark
06 09 Come On Down To My Boat - Every Mother's Son
07 12 Up - Up And Away - The 5th Dimension
08 08 Let's Live For Today - The Grass Roots
09 02 Groovin' - The Young Rascals
10 13 The Tracks Of My Tears - Johnny Rivers


July 8, 1972

01 04 Lean On Me - Bill Withers (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Outa-Space - Billy Preston
03 01 Song Sung Blue - Neil Diamond
04 05 Too Late To Turn Back Now - The Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose
05 02 The Candy Man - Sammy Davis Jr. w/The Mike Curb Congregation
06 06 Troglodyte (Cave Man) - The Jimmy Castor Bunch
07 08 Rocket Man - Elton John
08 10 Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast - Wayne Newton
09 09 I Need You - America
10 14 (If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right - Luther Ingram


July 9, 1977

01 02 Undercover Angel - Alan O'Day (1st and only week at #1)
02 04 Da Doo Ron Ron - Shaun Cassidy
03 05 Looks Like We Made It - Barry Manilow
04 01 Gonna Fly Now (Theme From Rocky) - Bill Conti
05 07 I Just Want To Be Your Everything - Andy Gibb
06 03 Got To Give It Up (Part 1) - Marvin Gaye
07 08 Angel In Your Arms - Hot
08 09 Jet Airliner - The Steve Miller Band
09 10 Margaritaville - Jimmy Buffett
10 12 My Heart Belongs To Me - Barbra Streisand


July 10, 1982

01 01 Don't You Want Me - The Human League (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 02 Rosanna - Toto
03 05 Hurts So Good - John Cougar
04 04 Heat Of The Moment - Asia
05 09 Eye Of The Tiger - Survivor
06 07 Let It Whip - The Dazz Band
07 08 Love's Been a Little Bit Hard On Me - Juice Newton
08 03 Ebony And Ivory - Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder
09 11 Tainted Love - Soft Cell
10 10 Caught Up In You - 38 Special

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

July 11, 1987

01 02 Alone - Heart (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me) - Whitney Houston
03 03 Shakedown - Bob Seger
04 05 Songbird - Kenny G
05 07 Don't Disturb This Groove - The System
06 09 Point Of No Return - Expose
07 10 Funkytown - Pseudo Echo
08 11 Something So Strong - Crowded House
09 04 Head To Toe - Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam
10 17 I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - U2


July 11, 1992

01 01 Baby Got Back - Sir Mix-a-Lot (2nd of 5 weeks at #1)
02 02 I'll Be There - Mariah Carey
03 03 Under The Bridge - The Red Hot Chili Peppers
04 05 If You Asked Me To - Celine Dion
05 06 Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover - Sophie B. Hawkins
06 07 Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
07 04 Jump - Kris Kross
08 09 Tennessee - Arrested Development
09 08 My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It) - En Vogue
10 10 Wishing On a Star - The Cover Girls


July 12, 1997

01 01 I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy & Faith Evans feat. 112 (5th of 11 weeks at #1)
02 03 Bitch - Meredith Brooks
03 02 Mmmbop - Hanson
04 04 Return Of The Mack - Mack Morrison
05 05 Look Into My Eyes - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
06 07 I Belong To You (Every Time I See Your Face) - Rome
07 06 Say You'll Be There - The Spice Girls
08 NE Sunny Came Home - Shawn Colvin
09 12 Do You Know (What It Takes) - Robyn
10 13 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) - The Backstreet Boys


July 6, 2002

01 01 Hot In Herre - Nelly (2nd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Without Me - Eminem
03 03 Foolish - Ashanti
04 05 Oh Boy - Cam'ron feat. Juelz Santana
05 08 Hero - Chad Kroeger feat. Josey Scott
06 06 The Middle - Jimmy Eat World
07 04 I Need a Girl (Part 1) - P. Diddy feat. Usher & Loon
08 07 A Thousand Miles - Vanessa Carlton
09 09 Addictive - Truth Hurts feat. Rakim
10 10 I'm Gonna Be Alright - Jennifer Lopez feat. Nas

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

July 7, 2007

01 01 Umbrella - Rihanna feat. Jay-Z (5th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Party Like a Rockstar - Shop Boyz
03 03 Big Girls Don't Cry - Fergie
04 05 Hey There Delilah - Plain White T's
05 04 Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin') - T-Pain feat. Yung Joc
06 06 Makes Me Wonder - Maroon 5
07 07 Girlfriend - Avril Lavigne
08 08 Summer Love - Justin Timberlake
09 09 Rehab - Amy Winehouse
10 13 Make Me Better - Fabolous feat. Ne-Yo

18 40 The Way I Are - Timbaland feat. Keri Hilson
24 85 A Bay Bay - Hurricane Chris


July 7, 2012

01 01 Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen (3rd of 9 weeks at #1)
02 03 Payphone - Maroon 5 feat. Wiz Khalifa
03 02 Somebody That I Used To Know - Gotye feat. Kimbra
04 04 Wide Awake - Katy Perry
05 08 Where Have You Been - Rihanna
06 12 Lights - Ellie Goulding
07 05 We Are Young - fun. feat. Janelle Monae
08 07 Starships - Nicki Minaj
09 06 What Makes You Beautiful - One Direction
10 11 Scream - Usher


July 8, 2017

01 01 Despacito - Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber (7th of 16 weeks at #1)
02 02 I'm The One - DJ Khaled feat. Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance The Rapper & Lil Wayne
03 03 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars
04 NE Wild Thoughts - DJ Khaled feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller
05 04 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran
06 05 HUMBLE. - Kendrick Lamar
07 06 Mask Off - Future
08 09 Congratulations - Post Malone feat. Quavo
09 07 Something Just Like This - The Chainsmokers & Coldplay
10 08 Stay - Zedd & Alessia Cara


July 10, 2021

01 01 Butter - BTS (6th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 good 4 u - Olivia Rodrigo
03 04 Kiss Me More - Doja Cat feat. SZA
04 03 Levitating - Dua Lipa feat. DaBaby
05 NE Bad Habits - Ed Sheeran
06 06 Leave The Door Open - Silk Sonic (Bruno Mars & Anderson .Paak)
07 05 Peaches - Justin Bieber feat. Daniel Caesar & Giveon
08 08 MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) - Lil Nas X
09 07 Save Your Tears - The Weeknd & Ariana Grande
10 09 deja vu - Olivia Rodrigo

11 NE You Right - Doja Cat & The Weeknd
14 NE WUSYANAME - Tyler, The Creator feat. YoungBoy Never Broke Again & Ty Dolla $ign
24 NE Ain't S**t - Doja Cat

[phieaglesfan712]

[85la]

Jul 3, 2022 8:42:11 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

kcd- I know you're exaggerating by saying "like zero streams" for "Big Energy." It re-entered the HITS top 50 streaming chart this week, at 35 (nearly 6.4 million audio streams).

In any event, some predictions have "Glimpse of Us" in the top 10, ahead of BE.

I don't even think he was really exaggerating, and he clearly didn't look at Big Energy's streaming numbers, as 6.4 million is not even "like zero." If anything, Glimpse of Us's rank would be more questionable, as its airplay numbers are much closer to "like zero" (1-2 million) than BE's streams, and not to mention BE also far outranks GOU in digital sales, for what it's worth. But even if the numbers were more comparable, my question to him would be why is it ok for Glimpse of Us to be in the top 10 based on streaming but with very little airplay and not Big Energy with sufficient airplay but very little streams?

I'm getting very tired of these complaints that are trotted out week after week, that so and so song "should or shouldn't be" in the top ten because it is or isn't doing well in a metric the poster personally thinks has the most importance. That's not how the Hot 100 works. It is based on 3 metrics, streaming, airplay, and sales, the most weight given in that order, so any song absolutely can and should be in the top 10 if it meets the points thresholds in any single one or in any combination of those metrics.

[phieaglesfan712]

In my opinion, the charts have not been an actual representation of popularity in real life since at least Donda week. Too many times, the song that was at #1 didn't really feel like the biggest song that week or songs have overstayed their welcome in the Top 10. I believe that sales should be eliminated from the Hot 100 and airplay's influence should be decreased. In their place should be TikTok streams and Shazams counted towards the Hot 100. TikTok and Shazam are more accurate representations of a song's popularity.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 3, 2022 14:41:28 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

In my opinion, the charts have not been an actual representation of popularity in real life since at least Donda week. Too many times, the song that was at #1 didn't really feel like the biggest song that week or songs have overstayed their welcome in the Top 10. I believe that sales should be eliminated from the Hot 100 and airplay's influence should be decreased. In their place should be TikTok streams and Shazams counted towards the Hot 100. TikTok and Shazam are more accurate representations of a song's popularity.

No they’re not. They’re more representative of people who inquire about what a song is (Shazam) and people who use Tiktok which is not representative of the entire population. Despite its faults, Radio still represents a segment of the population that doesn’t consume music through other means, whether streaming nor tiktok nor whatever else. You’ve displayed over and over again how little understanding you have of what the charts represent and I know this post, like any other that attempts to explain anything with any sort of reasoning will just go ignored so I don’t know why I’m wasting my time but here I go again.

One thing I will personally agree with you on, which I haven’t agreed on previously, is the role of sales, only because sass tends to be used as a padding for songs that doesn’t reach a specific audience that aren’t already incorporated in through radio or streaming. I don’t think popularity can be accurately measured using a channel that doesn’t have equal availability of all singles at any time, as evidenced by those physical singles that were released for the sole purpose of elevating them on the chart. But I don’t know if I’d say sales should be completely removed. Not yet anyway.

[Groovy]

I don't think I need to point it out but no chart update tomorrow because of the 4th.

[nathanalbright]

I think that sales are on the way of removing themselves from consideration based on the numbers being so low. But as long as sales channels are available those points will be for the taking of people want to buy the song for themselves in some fashion.

[fridayteenage]

While strategies were...dubious, at least when bts fans were bulk buying there would be some noteworthy sales for the year. Now that's just done.

[kcdawg13]

Jul 3, 2022 11:54:34 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

July 10, 2021

09 07 Save Your Tears - The Weeknd & Ariana Grande

It's crazy just how big this song was, I think it actually returned to the Top 10 the week after "Take My Breath" fell out. Everyone points to Blinding Lights, but it was really Save Your Tears that killed Dawn FM. I'm pretty sure SYT was above all Dawn FM tracks at one point too lol

[phieaglesfan712]

For me, the root of the problem is the removal of UGC from the Hot 100 formula. That change made it easier for artists/fanbases to manipulate the charts, as well as caused the fragmentation of music.

At the very minimum, UGC should be added back to the Hot 100 formula.

[atg]

Jul 3, 2022 18:43:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jul 3, 2022 11:54:34 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

July 10, 2021

09 07 Save Your Tears - The Weeknd & Ariana Grande

It's crazy just how big this song was, I think it actually returned to the Top 10 the week after "Take My Breath" fell out. Everyone points to Blinding Lights, but it was really Save Your Tears that killed Dawn FM. I'm pretty sure SYT was above all Dawn FM tracks at one point too lol

It was definitely SYT that did it. BL only killed every other song that The Weeknd was featured on in 2020 and mainly In Your Eyes but it wasn’t as powerful like that at the end of that year. When they pushed SYT into 2021, it was almost perfect timing with its music video and the Superbowl contributing as well. But then it just got amplified even further once the Ari remix dropped and became a longevity all time hit. I’m glad he did manage to get 2 other songs onto the Year End list for 2021 which wasn’t affected by SYT’s power, but it did completely destroy the Dawn FM era because it was still really strong. But despite that, the fact that Abel has the 2 of the 3 longest charting #1 hits in history is insane (forgot Heat Waves still exists lmao).

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 3, 2022 11:54:34 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

July 10, 2021

24 NE Ain't S**t - Doja Cat

I almost forgot this debuted that high. Get Into It (Yuh) is about to become Doja's 6th Top 25 hit from Planet Her, a year after release. To me, this is more impressive than Drake getting all these high debuts, only to see 2 of them be relevant in Week 2.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

2 different scenarios and both can still be impressive. The Doja Cat scenario is more akin to how lengthy eras played out prior to streaming. It’s the new Dutchess, Teenage Dream, janet, FLSS - etc, any era with legs. If it weren’t for Vegas, I’d say keep releasing singles from Planet Her. There’s more life in it! 😎

[Mayman]

Jul 3, 2022 20:06:00 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

For me, the root of the problem is the removal of UGC from the Hot 100 formula. That change made it easier for artists/fanbases to manipulate the charts, as well as caused the fragmentation of music.

At the very minimum, UGC should be added back to the Hot 100 formula.

Can you please explain how User Generated Content getting removed from the Hot 100 caused fragmentation of music? That doesn't even make any sense. Music has slowly been fragmented for years, a Hot 100 rule change wouldn't even be known by 1% of the population, much less be the reason for fragmentation. Why do you not understand that not many people pay attention to the Hot 100 and an even less amount of people pay attention to the rules of the Hot 100?

[M5AGTS]

Jul 4, 2022 8:12:07 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

2 different scenarios and both can still be impressive. The Doja Cat scenario is more akin to how lengthy eras played out prior to streaming. It’s the new Dutchess, Teenage Dream, janet, FLSS - etc, any era with legs. If it weren’t for Vegas, I’d say keep releasing singles from Planet Her. There’s more life in it! 😎

I think the same can be said for Justice. I think As I Am could be a hit if it gets pushed. I'll be thrilled if it does become a hit.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 4, 2022 8:34:50 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Jul 3, 2022 20:06:00 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

For me, the root of the problem is the removal of UGC from the Hot 100 formula. That change made it easier for artists/fanbases to manipulate the charts, as well as caused the fragmentation of music.

At the very minimum, UGC should be added back to the Hot 100 formula.

Can you please explain how User Generated Content getting removed from the Hot 100 caused fragmentation of music? That doesn't even make any sense. Music has slowly been fragmented for years, a Hot 100 rule change wouldn't even be known by 1% of the population, much less be the reason for fragmentation. Why do you not understand that not many people pay attention to the Hot 100 and an even less amount of people pay attention to the rules of the Hot 100?

I agree that music was slowly getting fragmented towards the end of the 2010s, but the removal of UGC really opened the floodgates. I mean, just look at the behavior of certain artists/fanbases after the rule change. The #1/Top 10 has been disconnected with real life more often than not this decade. (I don’t remembering that happening when UGC counted.)

What Billboard should have done in early 2020 is changed how sales counted instead of touching UGC. It would not have stopped the fragmentation of music, but it would have surely would have slowed the progression.

Adding UGC back won’t solve all the problems, but at least we’ll get a chart with a better representation of real life.

[Gary]

The #1/Top 10 has been disconnected with real life more often than not this decade. (I don’t remembering that happening when UGC counted.)

Too many times, the song that was at #1 didn't really feel like the biggest song that week or songs have overstayed their welcome in the Top 10.

I get confused by these comments like this when relating what "real life" is to me as it pertains to the national music charts


My perception of what is good and not good almost never matches up to the "real life" #1/Top 10 or gauging what "feels like" a #1 hit.


I guess I am not as good at it as others LOL