Billboard Hot 100: 07/23/2022

[nathanalbright]

By all means, when we argue here, let us be precise about debuts, weeks in the top ten, overall longevity, position on the YE (or lack thereof), strength of the charts, and anything else by which we may compare and distinguish between songs by artists.

[Choco]

Nicki Minaj is very much in the same bandwagon as BTS. The Barbz will buy first week and that's it. People aren't as annoyed because her fandom can't buy ten weeks at #1 so she fades away quickly before people can make a big deal out of it.

Her streaming has always been subpar compared to her status. People say it's because Spotify wasn't promoting her until very recently but tbh she never quite translated her huge iTunes sales into streams.

Her team is terrible at radio and her material isn't helping because it's not appealing to CHR. Look at how Beyoncé rebounded on radio the second she did a Poppier single...

[rideordie]

DWHAP was not a hit and only charted that high cuz of chart manipulation. Nicki hasn’t had a hit in a while. Even with the remixes, she never managed to stay credited long and those streams for the remixes represents how non-impactful she was….Her last song to spend multiple weeks in the top 10 was Chun li… I think.

[degen]

Jul 14, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -5 rideordie said:

DWHAP was not a hit and only charted that high cuz of chart manipulation. Nicki hasn’t had a hit in a while. Even with the remixes, she never managed to stay credited long and those streams for the remixes represents how non-impactful she was….Her last song to spend multiple weeks in the top 10 was Chun li… I think.

I would call DWHAP a pretty modest hit. It debut high on the charts and lasted long on radio. I’m not sure what other rapper from the 2000’s, besides Drake, can even do that at this point. This is still a pretty nice achievement 12 plus years into her career.

As far as what to expect chart wise for this new single, I guess it depends on what tools she has in the bag. If there’s another hot feature on it and it’s catchy enough, it could perform well on radio. Also if the music video is a serve, that will be another factor. I can certainly see her debiting in the Top 10.

[rihannabiggestfan]

Jul 14, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -5 rideordie said:

DWHAP was not a hit and only charted that high cuz of chart manipulation. Nicki hasn’t had a hit in a while. Even with the remixes, she never managed to stay credited long and those streams for the remixes represents how non-impactful she was….Her last song to spend multiple weeks in the top 10 was Chun li… I think.

No, technically it was Motorsport. And if you only include songs on which she's the only lead artist (no "&" or "with" ... and Migos' name comes first on that song anyway lol), it's Anaconda

[atg]

Maybe Nicki can get an actual proper solo hit again just like Beyonce is right now, but she doesn’t have that much radio support so it’s going to be a lot more harder. That’s one of the reasons why her fanbase is contributing to the sales manipulation and why i wish the radio would play her again. And the fans actually streaming it and/or properly buying the song once so these artificial runs can stop.

[forg]

Somewhat impressed Left and Right is holding decently on Spotify! Strong out-of-the-gate performance is expected given the BTS connection but this is shaping up to have potential longevity.

[ontopofthis]

Brent Faiyaz is going to open in the same vicinity of Ed Sheeran’s most recent effort. The state of pop music is in the GUTTER

[iHype.]

Jul 15, 2022 0:28:50 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

Brent Faiyaz is going to open in the same vicinity of Ed Sheeran’s most recent effort. The state of pop music is in the GUTTER

More so means Brent Faiyaz just really smashed hard for his expectations. R&B isn’t exactly smashing in 2022 either.

He’s also doing the same vicinity as Jack Harlow who has the biggest Hip-Hop hit of the year. Does that mean the “state of Hip Hop music is in the gutter”?

[nathanalbright]

I would say we should praise Brent Faiyaz for smashing expectations rather than lamenting how other artists have underperformed.

[After Minutes]

Jul 15, 2022 0:46:43 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

I would say we should praise Brent Faiyaz for smashing expectations rather than lamenting how other artists have underperformed.

exactly lol I was expecting like 60k for the project and he was probably too. It just shows how often R&B is underestimated with him and Summer Walker. The biggest artists in the genre aren't that far off from what some bigger names in hip-hop are doing, and artists like SZA could definitely compete with artists such as Future of Young Thug

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 07/14/22

1(=) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 1,527,248 (+39,436)
2(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 1,188,476 (-4,429)
3(=) Joji - Glimpse of Us 1,167,246 (-21,564)
4(=) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 1,061,199 (-4,155)
5(+1) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 1,032,160 (+50,958)
6(-1) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 1,027,313 (+15,032)
7(=) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 897,335 (+23,544)
8(=) Doja Cat - Vegas 803,467 (+9,092)
9(=) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 740,616 (-1,672)
10(=) Metallica - Master of Puppets 737,059 (+32,930)

Brent Faiyaz - WASTELAND
53(-8) ALL MINE 366,554 (-26,636)
103(-37) LOOSE CHANGE 284,971 (-42,390)
112(-24) GRAVITY 277,312 (-26,425)
158(-52) PRICE OF FAME 242,490 (-26,425)
164(-27) DEAD MAN WALKING 239,695 (-12,775)
Total Streams: 1,411,022 (-30%)

Others:
11(+1) Lizzo - About Damn Time 705,064 (+6,270)
12(-1) Jack Harlow - First Class 704,753 (+916)
13(+1) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 696,910 (+12,262)
14(+1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 696,499 (+16,809)
15(-2) Future, Drake, Tems - WAIT FOR U 684,952 (-2,017)
16(=) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 676,766 (+1,748)
17(+1) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 657,277 (+52,921)
18(-1) Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) 622,336 (+7,770)
19(=) Bad Bunny - Efecto 616,052 (+17,123)
20(=) Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule 585,604 (+11,675)
21(=) Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo - Ojitos Lindos 573,097 (+6,665)
22(=) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 530,481 (+7,155)
23(=) Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro - Party 494,561 (+8,722)
24(=) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 485,554 (+24,208)
25(=) Bad Bunny - Después de la Playa 464,412 (+7,719)
26(=) Charlie Puth, Jung Kook - Left and Right 463,729 (+9,367)
28(-1) Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL 457,709 (+5,515)
29(=) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 455,186 (+10,547)
31(+1) The Weeknd - Die For You 452,836 (+13,775)
32(+1) KAROL G - PROVENZA 442,088 (+12,499)
33(-2) Future - PUFFIN ON ZOOTIEZ 442,085 (+2,892)
34(+3) Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make 430,825 (+9,932)
35(+1) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 430,595 (+9,692)
36(-2) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 428,764 (+1,428)
37(-2) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 428,475 (+6,708)
40(-1) Pharrell Williams, 21 Savage, Tyler, The Creator - Cash In Cash Out 412,187 (-2,987)
41(+1) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 409,405 (+9,747)
42(+2) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 408,522 (+11,793)
43(-2) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Tarot 407,166 (+5,149)
44(-1) Drake - Sticky 403,135 (+5,795)
49(-1) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 377,079 (-1,854)
50(=) Cardi B, Kanye West, Lil Durk - Hot Shit 375,121 (+5,083)
51(=) Drake - Massive 370,979 (+6,747)
52(+1) Cole Swindell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina 367,819 (+4,817)
55(+3) Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World 361,629 (+10,504)
59(=) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 349,113 (+2,022)
61(=) Kid Cudi - love. 341,250 (+6,605)
66(-3) Latto - Big Energy 332,586 (+1,112)
67(=) Bad Bunny, Tony Dize - La Corriente 330,768 (+6,259)
68(+2) Bad Bunny - Un Ratito 326,480 (+6,586)
71(+1) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 325,198 (+8,974)
74(+2) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 320,182 (+10,407)
76(-2) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 318,574 (+6,804)
82(-2) Fivio Foreign, The Kid LAROI - Paris to Tokyo 309,475 (+605)
89(+1) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 305,673 (+3,060)
92(-6) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 304,296 (+232)
93(+14) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 303,908 (+27,994)
94(+4) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 303,186 (+15,064)

101(+23) Kid Cudi, MGMT, Ratatat - Pursuit of Happiness (Nightmare) 285,410 (+25,473)
106(-46) Steve Lacy, Fousheé - Sunshine 284,138 (-62,167)
107(+3) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 281,597 (+7,627)
108(=) Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie 280,043 (+5,309)
114(-2) The Weeknd, Lana Del Rey - Stargirl Interlude 274,365 (+688)
115(-1) Ruth B. - Dandelions 273,994 (+2,135)
117(+2) ERNEST, Morgan Wallen - Flower Shops 271,207 (+8,698)
118(-3) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 268,795 (-12,194)
125(-2) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 261,842 (+754)
126(+1) Cigarettes After Sex - Apocalypse 261,674 (+4,471)
127(+4) $uicideboy$ - Antarctica 260,463 (+6,047)
131(-2) AJR - World's Smallest Violin 257,144 (+709)
140(=) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 249,752 (+154)
141(-21) Yeat - Rich Minion 249,611 (-12,194)
142(+1) Russell Dickerson, Jake Scott - She Likes It 249,466 (+3,171)
145(+9) Metallica - Enter Sandman 246,798 (+7,827)
156(-8) The Kid LAROI - Thousand Miles 242,843 (+292)
160(+6) Dierks Bentley, BRELAND, HARDY - Beers On Me 241,239 (+4,936)
163(+2) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 239,911 (+3,207)
166(-9) Jack Harlow - Dua Lipa 239,394 (+1,249)
169(-19) Conan Gray - Memories 237,916 (-3,522)
174(+8) Marshmello, Khalid - Numb 234,601 (+3,106)
178(+2) Lil Baby - Right On 231,071 (-512)
179(-3) Polo G - Distraction 230,229 (-2,698)
185(-4) Kid Cudi - Mr. Rager 229,476 (-2,101)
187(+8) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 229,085 (+3,326)

Biggest Gains (50K+): You Proof, Bad Habit

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2022 » / « 07 » / « 15 »

1(=) Lizzo - About Damn Time 115.74(+0.08)
2(=) Jack Harlow - First Class 104.78(-1.32)
3(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 99.98(-0.14)
4(=) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 66.53(+0.11)
5(=) Latto - Big Energy 65.12(-0.68)
6(=) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 62.67(+0.26)
7(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 61.20(-0.15)
8(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 57.73(-0.36)
9(=) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 56.60(-0.74)
10(=) Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL 56.56(+0.93)

11(=) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 55.77(+0.96)

14(+1) Nicky Youre & Dazy - Sunroof 45.28(+0.81)

15(+3) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal with God) 44.30(+1.46)

22(+1) Tim Mcgraw - 7500 OBO 37.14(+1.13)

-(-) Ramon Vega X Michelle Maciel - eScoRpiOn 1.24(+1.13) +

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - Week 07/14/22

1(=) Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) 10,934,427
2(=) Joji - Glimpse of Us 8,439,055
3(=) Harry Styles - Harry Styles - As It Was 8,357,294
4(=) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 7,529,151
5(=) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 7,298,691
6(=) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 6,309,810
7(+20) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 5,864,061
8(-1) Doja Cat - Vegas 5,592,652
9(+4) Metallica - Master of Puppets 5,244,710
10(-2) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 5,236,739

Brent Faiyaz - WASTELAND
22(DEBUT) ALL MINE 3,736,383
24(DEBUT) LOOSE CHANGE 3,540,840
40(re-entry) GRAVITY 2,969,222
47(DEBUT) PRICE OF FAME 2,808,034
65(re-entry) DEAD MAN WALKING 2,808,034
68(DEBUT) ROLLING STONE 2,310,205
72(DEBUT) ADDICTIONS 2,280,479
74(DEBUT) GHETTO GATSBY 2,258,333
87(DEBUT) FYTB 2,137,385
96(DEBUT) HEAL YOUR HEART (INTERLUDE) 2,119,243
98(re-entry) WASTING TIME 2,109,334
108(DEBUT) ROLE MODEL 2,008,554
109(DEBUT) VILLAIN'S THEME 1,990,194
122(DEBUT) JACKIE BROWN 1,915,299
151(DEBUT) BAD LUCK 1,723,066

11(-2) Jack Harlow - First Class 5,052,014
12(-2) Lizzo - About Damn Time 5,000,345
13(-1) Future, Tems, Drake - WAIT FOR U 4,833,871
14(-3) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 4,824,428
15(+7) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 4,743,448
16(-1) Harry Styles - Late Night Talking 4,709,218
17(+3) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 4,363,167
18(-2) Bad Bunny - Efecto 4,267,632
19(+30) Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) 4,223,282
20(-3) Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule 4,103,047
21(-3) Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo - Ojitos Lindos 4,023,326
23(+1) Nicky Youre, dazy - Sunroof 3,690,223
25(-2) Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro - Party 3,507,572
26(-1) Bad Bunny - Después de la Playa 8 3,292,625
27(-6) Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL 3,281,152
28(-9) Charlie Puth, Jung Kook - Left and Right 3,279,947
29(DEBUT) Kid Cudi - love. 3,233,804
30(+12) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 3,204,934
33(+5) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 3,096,530
34(-3) Future - PUFFIN ON ZOOTIES 3,037,307
35(-1) KAROL G - PROVENZA 3,033,236
36(-1) Post Malone, Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up 3,018,990
37(+8) The Weeknd - Die For You 3,018,777
38(-12) Pharrell Williams, 21 Savage, Tyler, The Creator - Cash In Cash Out 3,011,340
39(-9) Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make 2,996,587
41(-4) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 2,966,280
43(-15) Drake - Sticky 2,862,108
44(-4) Bad Bunny - Tarot 2,857,524
46(+2) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 2,841,382
49(+9) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 2,703,796
50(-36) Cardi B, Kanye West, Lil Durk - Hot Shit 2,690,349
51(-15) Drake - Massive 2,685,150
54(+7) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 2,648,690
55(-9) Sleepy Hallow, 347aidan - Die Young 2,635,622
57(+22) Cole Swidell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina 2,556,270
59(DEBUT) Fivio Foreign, The Kid LAROI - Paris to Tokyo 2,519,273
62(-5) Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World 2,491,024
64(-11) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 2,425,277
67(=) Latto - Big Energy 2,313,202
69(-6) Bad Bunny - La Corriente 2,301,632
70(+6) Childish Gambino - Me and Your Mama 2,296,749
71(-9) Bad Bunny - Un Ratito 2,286,680
80(-6) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 2,185,265
85(+11) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY 2,149,370
93(+36) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 2,132,941
97(+47) Tyler Hubard - 5 Foot 9 2,115,158
99(-2) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 2,102,164

102(-33) Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie 2,074,629
103(-74) Yeat - Rich Minion 2,056,149
111(+12) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 1,988,216
112(+46) Kid Cudi, MGMT, Ratatat - Pursuit of Happiness (Nightmare) 1,984,599
119(-15) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 1,933,663
121(=) The Weeknd, Lana Del Rey - Stargirl Interlude 1,915,307
126(-13) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 1,880,943
127(-3) ERNEST, Morgan Wallen - Flower Shops 1,878,428
129(-4) Ruth B. - Dandelions 1,862,711
133(+21) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 1,831,917
142(+51) AJR - World's Smallest Violin 1,771,731
143(re-entry) Russell Dickerson, Jake Scott - She Likes It 1,757,355
149(+4) The Kid LAROI - Thousand Miles 1,731,035
150(DEBUT) Cigarettes After Sex - Apocalypse 1,723,449
153(re-entry) Kid Cudi - Mr. Rager 1,716,608
154(DEBUT) $uicideboy$ - Antarctica 1,706,916
156(+30) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 1,698,272
159(DEBUT) Dierks Bentley, BRELAND, HARDY - Beers On Me 1,691,709
162(-48) Nate Smith - Whiskey On You 1,686,745
174(+11) Polo G - Distraction 1,643,919
186(DEBUT) Guns N Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine 1,617,948
189(+10) Lil Baby - Right On 1,608,585
194(re-entry) Marshmello, Khalid - Numb 1,594,094
196(-33) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 1,592,100
198(DEBUT) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,583,302

A cooler week as Brent Faiyaz got a bigger album bomb than I think anyone was expected, and yet the bigger story might've actually been for another R&B act. As Bad Habit gained a whopping 79% in streams and becoming his highest peaking song to date.

Beyond that, Master of Puppets actually stabilized and rose a bit by 8%, 5 Foot 9 rebounded 24% in streams, I Ain't Worried continued being a sleeper hit by rising 21%, Pursuit of Happiness rose 20% thanks to Kid Cudi's Greatest Hits comp dropping, She Had Me At Heads Carolina builds momentum by climbing 18%, as does Fall in Love which went up by 20% and so does (unfortunately) World Smallest Violin which gained 14%, Something in the Orange regained some momentum by getting 13%, Dark Red got a residual boost of 10% thanks to Bad Habit going viral, Don't Blame is becoming a sleeper hit rising 11%, You Proof gained 9%, Betty (Get Money) rose up big with 57%

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Album Bombs of 2022

Kendrick Lamar - Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers: 162,399,295
Harry Styles - Harry's House: 155,599,606
Bad Bunny - Un Verano Tin Si: 150,532,629
Drake - Honestly, Nevermind: 94,526,690
The Weeknd - Dawn FM: 85,388,774
Future - I NEVER LIKED YOU: 69,398,938
Juice WRLD - Fighting Demons: 67,384,618
Post Malonе - Twelve Carat Toothache: 65,836,902
Jack Harlow - Come Home, The Kids Miss You: 58,011,136
Gunna - DS4EVER: 41,841,164
Brent Faiyaz - WASTELAND: 36,714,605
Machine Gun Kelly - mainstream sellout: 26,432,268
Pusha T - It's Almost Dry: 14,700,508
Lil Durk - 7220: 10,270,069

[renfield75]

Jul 15, 2022 7:14:39 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Jul 15, 2022 0:46:43 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

I would say we should praise Brent Faiyaz for smashing expectations rather than lamenting how other artists have underperformed.

exactly lol I was expecting like 60k for the project and he was probably too. It just shows how often R&B is underestimated with him and Summer Walker. The biggest artists in the genre aren't that far off from what some bigger names in hip-hop are doing, and artists like SZA could definitely compete with artists such as Future of Young Thug

I would LOVE to see R&B take off and dominate again like it did in the mid 2000s and most of the '90s. Several new singers are building an audience and doing better than expected...if one or two of them land some across-the-board smashes then the floodgates will open. We could be seeing some '20s superstars in the making, and that's very cool.

[imbuemyblue]

Beyonce having a top ten radio hit in 2022 is pretty surprising, but we absolutely love to see it. The last time a woman in her 40s did this was....???

[kimberly]

Jul 15, 2022 13:17:40 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Beyonce having a top ten radio hit in 2022 is pretty surprising, but we absolutely love to see it. The last time a woman in her 40s did this was....???

Sia's "Cheap Thrills" (ft. Sean Paul) comes to mind. not sure when the last time a 40+ year-old woman went Top 10 fully solo/unaccompanied was. I don't think she was over 40 when "Chandelier" took off, so it's not her. 

[degen]

Jul 14, 2022 17:35:55 GMT -5 rihannabiggestfan said:

Jul 14, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -5 rideordie said:

DWHAP was not a hit and only charted that high cuz of chart manipulation. Nicki hasn’t had a hit in a while. Even with the remixes, she never managed to stay credited long and those streams for the remixes represents how non-impactful she was….Her last song to spend multiple weeks in the top 10 was Chun li… I think.

No, technically it was Motorsport. And if you only include songs on which she's the only lead artist (no "&" or "with" ... and Migos' name comes first on that song anyway lol), it's Anaconda

I’m curious why ONLY when it comes To Nicki we suddenly love to measure solo success ? I mean, it’s not like the other rap girls besides Doja have scored any solo hits as of lately.

Cardi hasn’t had a SOLO hit with longevity since her debut single and these are hard facts if you want to open this can of worms. “Up!” was the weakest #1 of 2021 with no longevity, WAP wasn’t solo, and all her other #1s weren’t solo. Then you have Megan who has not achieved any solo success at all in the Top 10. There’s Latto with “Big Energy” in 2022. And that’s all folks! But for whatever reason everyone loves to nitpick on Nicki’s solo success when I don’t see any other female rappers doing it either. It’s just another method of trying to diminish her success and longevity in any way possible.

[rihannabiggestfan]

Jul 15, 2022 16:13:09 GMT -5 degen said:

Jul 14, 2022 17:35:55 GMT -5 rihannabiggestfan said:

No, technically it was Motorsport. And if you only include songs on which she's the only lead artist (no "&" or "with" ... and Migos' name comes first on that song anyway lol), it's Anaconda

I’m curious why ONLY when it comes To Nicki we suddenly love to measure solo success ? I mean, it’s not like the other rap girls besides Doja have scored any solo hits as of lately.

Cardi hasn’t had a SOLO hit with longevity since her debut single and these are hard facts if you want to open this can of worms. “Up!” was the weakest #1 of 2021 with no longevity, WAP wasn’t solo, and all her other #1s weren’t solo. Then you have Megan who has not achieved any solo success at all in the Top 10. There’s Latto with “Big Energy” in 2022. And that’s all folks! But for whatever reason everyone loves to nitpick on Nicki’s solo success when I don’t see any other female rappers doing it either. It’s just another method of trying to diminish her success and longevity in any way possible.

Actually, Up had decent longevity. The definition of "#1 with no longevity" is Trollz, which charted for an embarrassing 4 weeks. I'm more focused on the quality of the music tho, and I think Doja, Cardi, and Megan have better music than the Trump of rap. 

[rimetm]

Jul 15, 2022 16:13:09 GMT -5 degen said:

“Up!” was the weakest #1 of 2021 with no longevity

That’s just not correct. Going by year-end position, Up beat Rapstar and Willow, both of which had their full runs in the chart year, along with Permission to Dance and My Universe, whose longevity were poor enough to miss the list entirely. (Even with My Universe caught between years, had it been in a full, it’d still be an edge case for a list, much less top 30)

[degen]

Jul 15, 2022 16:24:52 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Jul 15, 2022 16:13:09 GMT -5 degen said:

“Up!” was the weakest #1 of 2021 with no longevity

That’s just not correct. Going by year-end position, Up beat Rapstar and Willow, both of which had their full runs in the chart year, along with Permission to Dance and My Universe, whose longevity were poor enough to miss the list entirely. (Even with My Universe caught between years, had it been in a full, it’d still be an edge case for a list, much less top 30)

I’m aware of that but I’m not supposed to mention that other girl with weak #1s. But yeah, UP! is of the weakest #1s regardless. But keeping on this topic, Cardi herself only has 2 solo hits. So I’m just stating that I found it nitpicking when they were trying to trace back to Nicki’s last solo hit. About 80% of Both Cardi and Nicki’s hits aren’t solo, so why even go down this track.

[degen]

Jul 15, 2022 16:24:19 GMT -5 rihannabiggestfan said:

Jul 15, 2022 16:13:09 GMT -5 degen said:

I’m curious why ONLY when it comes To Nicki we suddenly love to measure solo success ? I mean, it’s not like the other rap girls besides Doja have scored any solo hits as of lately.

Cardi hasn’t had a SOLO hit with longevity since her debut single and these are hard facts if you want to open this can of worms. “Up!” was the weakest #1 of 2021 with no longevity, WAP wasn’t solo, and all her other #1s weren’t solo. Then you have Megan who has not achieved any solo success at all in the Top 10. There’s Latto with “Big Energy” in 2022. And that’s all folks! But for whatever reason everyone loves to nitpick on Nicki’s solo success when I don’t see any other female rappers doing it either. It’s just another method of trying to diminish her success and longevity in any way possible.

Actually, Up had decent longevity. The definition of "#1 with no longevity" is Trollz, which charted for an embarrassing 4 weeks. I'm more focused on the quality of the music tho, and I think Doja, Cardi, and Megan have better music than the Trump of rap. 

But that’s just your opinion. I for one think both Cardi and Megan’s material as of late have been subpar and Nicki has been delivering. But I thought the discussion was about chart placements anyway.

[GW]

Jul 15, 2022 13:17:40 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Beyonce having a top ten radio hit in 2022 is pretty surprising, but we absolutely love to see it. The last time a woman in her 40s did this was....???

Madonna had two solo top 10 radio hits while in her 40s in the 2000 and 2001: Music and Don't Tell Me.  

Mariah Carey had Obsessed in 2009.

I can't think of anyone else who has done it with an entirely solo and first-run hit since 2009.  Jennifer Lopez and Sia both have lead-credited top 10s in the 2010s, but with features.

Am I missing anyone?

[85la]

Jul 15, 2022 17:22:57 GMT -5 degen said:

Jul 15, 2022 16:24:19 GMT -5 rihannabiggestfan said:

Actually, Up had decent longevity. The definition of "#1 with no longevity" is Trollz, which charted for an embarrassing 4 weeks. I'm more focused on the quality of the music tho, and I think Doja, Cardi, and Megan have better music than the Trump of rap. 

But that’s just your opinion. I for one think both Cardi and Megan’s material as of late have been subpar and Nicki has been delivering. But I thought the discussion was about chart placements anyway.

Ok, so keeping the discussion on chart placements, and not focusing on "solo hits" because I'll agree that that distinction isn't important with rap, are you saying that Nicki's chart performance is on par with the other top female rappers of the last few years, such as Cardi/Megan/Doja, etc.? Even if you're saying that their performance as well is "weak" in whatever ways or lacking in "longevity," etc. (arguments which are ludicrous in themselves), these are the top performing female rappers, so this is what we have to measure Nicki by.

Or more simply, even just comparing Nicki's chart performance of the last few years to when she was at her peak, the early 2010s, do you think it's anywhere near that? Is she pulling anywhere near the types of numbers as Super Bass, or Starships, or Anaconda, or Turn Me On, or even Moment 4 Life or Your Love? It's completely ok for you to like her music and be satisfied with her current chart performance, but there's also nothing wrong and just pointing out as fact that her currently high first-week peaks are almost entirely fan-driven and that her rankings fall down quickly after that and are nowhere near the level of superstar status anymore.

[degen]

Jul 15, 2022 18:44:22 GMT -5 85la said:

Jul 15, 2022 17:22:57 GMT -5 degen said:

But that’s just your opinion. I for one think both Cardi and Megan’s material as of late have been subpar and Nicki has been delivering. But I thought the discussion was about chart placements anyway.

Ok, so keeping the discussion on chart placements, and not focusing on "solo hits" because I'll agree that that distinction isn't important with rap, are you saying that Nicki's chart performance is on par with the other top female rappers of the last few years, such as Cardi/Megan/Doja, etc.? Even if you're saying that their performance as well is "weak" in whatever ways or lacking in "longevity," etc. (arguments which are ludicrous in themselves), these are the top performing female rappers, so this is what we have to measure Nicki by.

Or more simply, even just comparing Nicki's chart performance of the last few years to when she was at her peak, the early 2010s, do you think it's anywhere near that? Is she pulling anywhere near the types of numbers as Super Bass, or Starships, or Anaconda, or Turn Me On, or even Moment 4 Life or Your Love? It's completely ok for you to like her music and be satisfied with her current chart performance, but there's also nothing wrong and just pointing out as fact that her currently high first-week peaks are almost entirely fan-driven and that her rankings fall down quickly after that and are nowhere near the level of superstar status anymore.

Nicki had chart success 7 years before Cardi and all the other girls came to the scene. So no, I don’t think her chart placements in 2022 is on par with her peak in the early 2010s nor do I expect it to be. I’m completely satisfied with the performance of “Do We Have a Problem.”

[joshtheking]

Why is it so impossible to have a discussion about a female rapper without comparing her success to other female rappers. can multiple female rappers not exist at the same time??? I get it's an easy feat to compare popstars to contemporaries, but this is always the one group that seems to get this the most

[M5AGTS]

Can we get back on topic please?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[ontopofthis]

Jul 15, 2022 0:37:33 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jul 15, 2022 0:28:50 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

Brent Faiyaz is going to open in the same vicinity of Ed Sheeran’s most recent effort. The state of pop music is in the GUTTER

More so means Brent Faiyaz just really smashed hard for his expectations. R&B isn’t exactly smashing in 2022 either.

He’s also doing the same vicinity as Jack Harlow who has the biggest Hip-Hop hit of the year. Does that mean the “state of Hip Hop music is in the gutter”?

Brent Faiyaz is an independent artist, and a new artist. An artist who has as much mass marketing as Ed Sheeran performing in the same vicinity as an independent artist is inexcusable. Jack Harlow is not even in the top five of biggest openings for hip-hop albums this year, so no, that does not? In addition, you guys are the ones trying to act as if his album is not a bust. I have been saying Jack Harlow's album is a bust from the jump. Jack Harlow just proves that Twitter is not reality. Ed Sheeran's bust has greater insinuations. You are the one who laughably stated that Dua Lipa and Kid Laroi, who are not reaching anywhere near those figures, are the new superstars, so you oughta know how surprising that is                     

[degen]

Jul 15, 2022 20:15:01 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Why is it so impossible to have a discussion about a female rapper without comparing her success to other female rappers. can multiple female rappers not exist at the same time??? I get it's an easy feat to compare popstars to contemporaries, but this is always the one group that seems to get this the most

Let’s clarify. I think I’m on the same page with you. In fact, I don’t think anyone was ever comparing female rappers to each other until “Bodak Yellow” hit #1, and then Nicki became the enemy for never having a #1 in 2017. She was suddenly being discredited and mocked for “never having #1s” etc all because 1 female rapper scored a #1. So this question needs to be directed at the other fan bases. I think the Barbs are in a pretty good place right now. Her singles still debut in the Top 10, 13-14 years into her career, but not everybody has that in 2022 and their careers are much newer. Call it karma, call it what goes around comes around, call it what ever. But I’m happy you are an internet commentator paving the path for female rapper fanbases to co-exist amongst each other. I wonder why you didn’t speak up much sooner…like 5 years ago when we needed you.