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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 26, 2022 15:31:44 GMT -5
RIAA.com: www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?...search_sectionMARIAH CAREY Title: EMANCIPATION OF MIMICertification Date: September 26, 2022 Label: DEF JAM RECORDINGS Format: ALBUM 7x PlatinumMARIAH CAREY Title: MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGELCertification Date: September 26, 2022 Label: DEF JAM RECORDINGS Format: ALBUM PlatinumMARIAH CAREY Title: WE BELONG TOGETHERCertification Date: September 26, 2022 Label: DEF JAM Format: SINGLE 6x PlatinumMARIAH CAREY Title: TOUCH MY BODYCertification Date: September 26, 2022 Label: DEF JAM Format: SINGLE 3x PlatinumMARIAH CAREY Title: UP OUT MY FACECertification Date: September 26, 2022 Label: DEF JAM Format: SINGLE Gold
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 26, 2022 15:46:49 GMT -5
That is nice of Def Jam since she isn't even on that label anymore. I think MCIIY likely deserves 1x platinum (it definitely does if the "Oh Santa" duet is counting toward it, but I don't know how that works), but maybe they are saving it for the holidays. In general they seem pretty on top of her certs which is nice (though I also think "It's Like That" should be Platinum).
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Post by Private Dancer on Sept 26, 2022 16:48:34 GMT -5
We Belong Together just keeps getting streams and I'm convinced 80% is me.
MOFAIA is just now going platinum? I thought it was already platinum.
UOMF is it the remix or original...cause the remix slaps...eventually WBT/MiMi, Fantasy, and Obsessed will go diamond.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 27, 2022 10:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Sept 30, 2022 7:14:42 GMT -5
Is there a strict budget for certs? No interest for older albums? Morons working there? (lol) Ultimately, certs are about press for the label. They'll cert when an artist is working on a new project and they want to generate some buzz, or when they have a shareholder meeting coming up and they can point to it and say "our products are still moving, even our back catalog titles". They're only going to do it when they have reason to. And some labels don't want to actually open up their records for various reasons, including shady practices to get songs/albums to higher chart positions. So they just rest on the chart position and leave the certs alone.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 5, 2022 13:28:42 GMT -5
The RIAA and Billboard are of course different as has been discussed. I read through the RIAA rules for albums just now and found some things I thought people might find interesting. That just confirms that tracks from deluxe editions can then count toward the album, though it's interesting it specifies "digital version." I don't know if that means if a deluxe version is streaming-only that the bonus tracks can't count. This is really interesting to me as I didn't know songs could count toward more than one album. Mostly I wonder how they define "studio album." It seems obvious that, for instance, "The Boy Is Mine" can count toward both Brandy's album and Monica's album. What I don't know is does that mean something like "One Sweet Day" can't count toward a Boyz II Men hits set because it's not a studio album, or did they just use that term loosely? That makes sense and is what I thought, but now it's confirmed. It means remixes can count toward a certification for a single and not necessarily an album, depending on the availability. It's interesting to see labels can switch a track from counting toward a studio album to a hits set, but they can't then go back. What's interesting about that last one is it's different from their rule about singles certifications: So, a live version on an album can count for the album, but a live version of a song is treated as its own single. Also, most dance remixes don't count toward a singles certification because they are usually more than 90 seconds longer than the original version. 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 Private Dancer imbuemyblue Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... areyoureadytojump Ferrero Positive Tension sundaymorningguy cking33
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Post by imbuemyblue on Oct 5, 2022 13:46:39 GMT -5
very interesting! So that would indicate that streams of the ODB remix of 'Fantasy' could count towards #1s, right?
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 5, 2022 14:24:29 GMT -5
very interesting! So that would indicate that streams of the ODB remix of 'Fantasy' could count towards #1s, right? Yes, exactly. Having said that, if a deluxe edition of Daydream that would include the remix is in the works, they might wait so the remix can be included for Daydream. That would likely be 3 more years away for its 30th anniversary, though, and #1s is certainly close to 6x platinum right now, so it would make more sense to count it for #1s.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 15, 2022 7:31:51 GMT -5
Christina Aguilera's Stripped has been certified 5x Platinum.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 20, 2022 7:40:07 GMT -5
Taylor Swift just updated some certs related to her last two projects. She has a lot more that could be certified, so I wonder why they didn't do more.
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Post by imbuemyblue on Oct 20, 2022 8:30:57 GMT -5
Taylor Swift just updated some certs related to her last two projects. She has a lot more that could be certified, so I wonder why they didn't do more. These certs are (again) making me question what is going on with the labels not aiming for higher. 'Folklore' received a 2x certification and has SPS over 3.6 mil, 'Lover' is over 4 mil SPS and got a 3x cert, 'Evermore' cleared 2 mil SPS a few months ago. None of them have songs that could contribute to other albums, like what explained Post's certification being lower. I know there was something about the RIAA counting things differently but it still seems weird? Edit: Went back and looked at iHype's explanation of how streams are divided at the RIAA. I get that their system is different, but it is a little frustrating that it basically no longer relates to what is used for Billboard.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 20, 2022 14:24:56 GMT -5
Assuming Sony updates Mariah's certs again this holiday season, she has several singles that I think could/should be updated:
"AIWFCIY" should be 12x platinum "One Sweet Day" is very likely 4x platinum "My All" should be 2x platinum "Love Takes Time" is likely platinum "I Don't Wanna Cry" and "Can't Let Go" should likely be Gold
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 22, 2022 16:31:01 GMT -5
Debbie Gibson needs to get her certs updated. Out of the Blue was certified 3x platinum in December 1988. It was still charting in May of 1989. Lost in Your Eyes was certified 2x platinum in March of 1989. It was still top 10 in May of 1989. "Foolish Beat" was a #1 hit but hasn't been certified at all. I'm sure it's at least Gold.
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Post by dawhite76 on Oct 23, 2022 17:15:48 GMT -5
Until the RIAA independently collects and certifies albums without depending on record companies for this information, they will be nothing more than a marketing tool for any label willing to take the time and incur the expense of providing the data necessary for certification. Reading these posts about what songs and albums have or have not been certified shows certification is wildly inconsistent and therefore useless when comparing success between certified and uncertified music. It's almost laughable when you see songs or albums that were blockbuster #1's never being certified and yet songs that barely or never charted anywhere are certified gold or even more!
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Post by Private Dancer on Oct 24, 2022 14:10:36 GMT -5
PLatinum Eligible- Walk Away From Love- David Ruffin It's Gonna Work Out Fine- Ike & Tina Turner
2x eligible Please Mr. Postman (Idk when it sold a million copies in 1961 and then another 1m over the years, it was certified gold in 2004 but it sold millions in the US) Love Child, You Can't Hurry Love, and Where Did Our Love Go (I know I keep mentioning these but it is really annoying that it is not being updated) Winner In You- Patti
Update Certs: Respect- Aretha Also, her old albums need to be updated... Aretha (1986) is platinum eligible
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Post by iHype. on Oct 25, 2022 11:52:43 GMT -5
RIAA certifications are starting to get a bit weird because I noticed Gunna/Drake’s “P Power” only being certified Gold the past week when I know for a fact with actual Billboard/Luminate data the song has over 150 million (equivalent of 1 million sales) audio streams alone without even counting video streams.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 25, 2022 12:00:58 GMT -5
RIAA certifications are starting to get a bit weird because I noticed Gunna/Drake’s “P Power” only being certified Gold the past week when I know for a fact with actual Billboard/Luminate data the song has over 150 million (equivalent of 1 million sales) audio streams alone without even counting video streams. The label chooses which cert they are going for when they apply. Is there a reason a label wouldn't choose the correct one? Additionally, there can be a gap between certification and announcement (though I think the label chooses announcement date too), so it's possible by the time we read the certification it's been awhile since it was submitted.
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Post by iHype. on Oct 25, 2022 12:25:25 GMT -5
RIAA certifications are starting to get a bit weird because I noticed Gunna/Drake’s “P Power” only being certified Gold the past week when I know for a fact with actual Billboard/Luminate data the song has over 150 million (equivalent of 1 million sales) audio streams alone without even counting video streams. The label chooses which cert they are going for when they apply. Is there a reason a label wouldn't choose the correct one? Additionally, there can be a gap between certification and announcement (though I think the label chooses announcement date too), so it's possible by the time we read the certification it's been awhile since it was submitted. There’s no reason a label would purposely undercertify so I never understood when stans claimed that. Undercertifying means you have to apply again eventually which means another audit which means paying more money. The only explanations that come to mind that would make sense is that they applied for the certifications well over month ago and there was some delay or they didn’t send in a full amount of data (by mistake). Plenty of songs/albums get certified immediately after they reach thresholds (i.e. Future, Olivia Rodrigo, etc have had songs certified after less than 2 weeks of release) so them being behind on processing certs is definitely not a norm.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 25, 2022 12:30:38 GMT -5
It also could have to do with the artists' teams. The reality is labels aren't sitting around waiting for singles and albums to hit certification marks; for most artists, their team has to be on top of it and ask the labels to look into it. So, another aspect could be that the team asks in (hypothetically) January that a song or album get looked into for being Gold. The label then get around to it in March and doesn't look beyond it being Gold. It then gets announced in May. By that point, it's been several months and the song or album has accumulated more.
That's hypothetical, but it's also just one possibility. We know that some artists have had specific things certified, but not other things despite them having other things eligible. I can't explain why the team and label wouldn't want to get it all certified.
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Post by imbuemyblue on Oct 25, 2022 22:24:43 GMT -5
It also could have to do with the artists' teams. The reality is labels aren't sitting around waiting for singles and albums to hit certification marks; for most artists, their team has to be on top of it and ask the labels to look into it. So, another aspect could be that the team asks in (hypothetically) January that a song or album get looked into for being Gold. The label then get around to it in March and doesn't look beyond it being Gold. It then gets announced in May. By that point, it's been several months and the song or album has accumulated more. Kinda digging this theory. It's just otherwise so weird to be like 'yeah, let's just waste our money and the positive press by going for less!', and there seem to be so many recent examples of 'under-certified' albums. But I'm sure we've all seen disorganization and/or slowness in the workplace; record labels are probably like everywhere else and that could have an impact.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 4, 2022 18:12:11 GMT -5
New Celine Dion. It's the 25th anniversary of LTAL. www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/CELINE DION Title: THESE ARE SPECIAL TIMESCertification Date: November 3, 2022 Label: 550 MUSIC/EPIC Format: ALBUM 6x PlatinumCELINE DION Title: LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVECertification Date: November 3, 2022 Label: 550 MUSIC/EPIC Format: ALBUM 11x PlatinumCELINE DION Title: MY HEART WILL GO ONCertification Date: November 3, 2022 Label: 550 MUSIC/EPIC Format: SINGLE 4x PlatinumMore under-certified certs: Back in January, My Heart Will Go On's Sales Plus Streaming was 4,544,000. Certified Gold as a physical single. + 4.5 million SPS = 5xP. Weird.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2022 7:37:36 GMT -5
More under-certified certs: Back in January, My Heart Will Go On's Sales Plus Streaming was 4,544,000. Certified Gold as a physical single. + 4.5 million SPS = 5xP. Weird. Doesn't "SPS" stand for 'sales plus streaming?' So why were its sales not included in the SPS total?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 5, 2022 8:49:44 GMT -5
^We don't know. Epic certified it and they've done all the Michael Jackson certs so they should know how to get an accurate cert.
Sales is also digital single sales.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2022 8:52:50 GMT -5
^We don't know. Epic certified it and they've done all the Michael Jackson certs so they should know how to get an accurate cert. Sales is also digital single sales. Is whomever is doing these SPS totals weeding out the streams Nielsen used to count that the RIAA does not? I think the only official videos for it on YT are live performances, which wouldn't count toward its singles certification.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 5, 2022 9:17:50 GMT -5
They are direct from Luminate These figures are from January.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2022 9:36:58 GMT -5
They are direct from Luminate View AttachmentThese figures are from January. I've heard the name Luminate but am not sure who they are now. I just know if anything is using Nielsen data that not all of those streams count toward the RIAA certs.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 5, 2022 9:41:32 GMT -5
Luminate is the old MRC Data which is the old Nielsen Music which is the old SoundScan. LOL
It's just weird that Luminate counts sales/streams that the RIAA doesn't.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2022 9:47:34 GMT -5
Luminate is the old MRC Data which is the old Nielsen Music which is the old SoundScan. LOL It's just weird that Luminate counts sales/streams that the RIAA doesn't. Well Nielsen counted UGC until 2020 or so (I'm sure someone knows the exact time) while the RIAA does not, so all streams totals that include streaming data up to that point are going to have higher SPS totals than the RIAA would accept.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2022 18:05:09 GMT -5
areyoureadytojump another difference is that for the RIAA 1500 streams is equal to 1 sale, but for Billboard/Nielsen they distinguish between paid streams and other streams (1200 paid streams is 1 album sale). I don't know if that's accounted for in these SPS totals various sources report.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 5, 2022 18:09:39 GMT -5
^Yes, we have talked about that before in this thread.
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