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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 25, 2022 20:28:04 GMT -5
ABT being basic and generic but EOM isn’t? not imo. I appreciate good lyrics and great vocals. Also, EOM is somewhat different from today's popular music, while ADT already sounds dated to me, can't imagine in 5 years or so. Something can have great lyrics and vocals and still be basic. EOM is a good song, but it’s hardly anything new or different than what we’ve heard before and what she’s done before. 🤷♂️
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Post by mms82 on Jul 25, 2022 20:56:38 GMT -5
I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%. that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days. Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower. What are the two top 10 debuts in the 50s and 60s? That was super rare until the 90s, right?
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Post by iHype. on Jul 25, 2022 21:02:30 GMT -5
Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower. What are the two top 10 debuts in the 50s and 60s? That was super rare until the 90s, right? The Beatles had the only 3 top 10 debuts pre-1995 (Hey Jude, Get Back, Let It Be). I'm sure the 1958 one is just technically a #1 debut because it was the first ever #1. And the second one was probably also pretty high on the first chart and then climbed and became the second ever #1.
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Post by jasper0102 on Jul 25, 2022 21:21:26 GMT -5
Lizzo #1 and Kate Bush finally getting a new peak at #3! A good week I wonder if airplay can push Kate a little bit more (at least a #2 peak) or this is it.... A part of me thinks that can happen, even if the point gaps between ADT and AIW and it could stifle any attempts to get higher than #3 unless another big streaming and sales boost happens.
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Post by ephelia on Jul 25, 2022 21:25:11 GMT -5
What are the two top 10 debuts in the 50s and 60s? That was super rare until the 90s, right? The Beatles had the only 3 top 10 debuts pre-1995 (Hey Jude, Get Back, Let It Be). I'm sure the 1958 one is just technically a #1 debut because it was the first ever #1. And the second one was probably also pretty high on the first chart and then climbed and became the second ever #1. Yes, that first "number one debut" from 1958 was just the song that was number one on the first chart. Interestingly, the other high one that was noticed was the third ever number one - the second number one went 54 - 2 - 1 in the first three weeks. Even accounting for that, though, I'm finding 63 number one debuts while Billboard only reports there being 62. It seems that the discrepancy is whether "I'm Your Angel" by R. Kelly & Celine Dion should be counted or not. By Billboard's weekly records, it looks like the song debuts at number one on the 12/5/98 chart - this happens to be the week that airplay-only singles were first allowed on the Hot 100. Does anyone know why this is?
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 25, 2022 21:29:21 GMT -5
The Beatles had the only 3 top 10 debuts pre-1995 (Hey Jude, Get Back, Let It Be). I'm sure the 1958 one is just technically a #1 debut because it was the first ever #1. And the second one was probably also pretty high on the first chart and then climbed and became the second ever #1. Yes, that first "number one debut" from 1958 was just the song that was number one on the first chart. Interestingly, the other high one that was noticed was the third ever number one - the second number one went 54 - 2 - 1 in the first three weeks. Even accounting for that, though, I'm finding 63 number one debuts while Billboard only reports there being 62. It seems that the discrepancy is whether "I'm Your Angel" by R. Kelly & Celine Dion should be counted or not. By Billboard's weekly records, it looks like the song debuts at number one on the 12/5/98 chart - this happens to be the week that airplay-only singles were first allowed on the Hot 100. Does anyone know why this is? Likely due to Billboard running test charts prior to making it official. The track was assuredly charting beforehand on the test charts, thus making it not a true "debut" so to speak. An asterisk/technicality situation.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 25, 2022 21:32:04 GMT -5
The Beatles had the only 3 top 10 debuts pre-1995 (Hey Jude, Get Back, Let It Be). I'm sure the 1958 one is just technically a #1 debut because it was the first ever #1. And the second one was probably also pretty high on the first chart and then climbed and became the second ever #1. Yes, that first "number one debut" from 1958 was just the song that was number one on the first chart. Interestingly, the other high one that was noticed was the third ever number one - the second number one went 54 - 2 - 1 in the first three weeks. Even accounting for that, though, I'm finding 63 number one debuts while Billboard only reports there being 62. It seems that the discrepancy is whether "I'm Your Angel" by R. Kelly & Celine Dion should be counted or not. By Billboard's weekly records, it looks like the song debuts at number one on the 12/5/98 chart - this happens to be the week that airplay-only singles were first allowed on the Hot 100. Does anyone know why this is? I don't think they were gonna count ANY new achievements that week, like Top 10 debuts or biggest gainers etc. because it was such a drastic change of policy. The position change was noted, just not any achievement attached to that position.
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Post by iHype. on Jul 25, 2022 21:42:02 GMT -5
The Beatles had the only 3 top 10 debuts pre-1995 (Hey Jude, Get Back, Let It Be). I'm sure the 1958 one is just technically a #1 debut because it was the first ever #1. And the second one was probably also pretty high on the first chart and then climbed and became the second ever #1. Yes, that first "number one debut" from 1958 was just the song that was number one on the first chart. Interestingly, the other high one that was noticed was the third ever number one - the second number one went 54 - 2 - 1 in the first three weeks. Even accounting for that, though, I'm finding 63 number one debuts while Billboard only reports there being 62. It seems that the discrepancy is whether "I'm Your Angel" by R. Kelly & Celine Dion should be counted or not. By Billboard's weekly records, it looks like the song debuts at number one on the 12/5/98 chart - this happens to be the week that airplay-only singles were first allowed on the Hot 100. Does anyone know why this is? They used test charts to reference 'Last Week' and '2 Weeks Ago' charting for every song on that chart, to give readers an idea of how they were doing in prior weeks with the new formula and referenced the unofficial test charts. It was a unique thing, and it doesn't make sense tbh/is hypocritical seeing as Harlem Shake (debuted #1 during a chart revamp too) is still a #1 debut and it obviously would've been charting on a test chart the prior week. It didn't just get 100 million streams in a week completely overnight.
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2022 21:44:39 GMT -5
1958 was the first Hot 100 but they had other charts before that. All the big hits on the first Hot 100 were there the week before on the Best Sellers list so none of them actually "debuted"
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Post by jasper0102 on Jul 25, 2022 21:50:35 GMT -5
A bit late congrats to Lizzo for her second number one hit!
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 25, 2022 22:12:16 GMT -5
ABT being basic and generic but EOM isn’t? not imo. I appreciate good lyrics and great vocals. Also, EOM is somewhat different from today's popular music, while ADT already sounds dated to me, can't imagine in 5 years or so. EOM, how to put this... is a sung song, as songs were sung for decades. It is not sung in the current style, which I find hard to describe, breathless? need to pause in the middle of a line. Overly auto tuned? Trappish? I'm sure most know what I mean, Most songs right now and for the last few years, you know they are from the late 10# or 20s. The singing is just that different. But EOM you can't put a year on, it could have been done in severs, decades.
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Post by rimetm on Jul 25, 2022 22:55:57 GMT -5
Plumbed from Chart History tonight:
14 (+36). Bad Habit, Steve Lacy 27 (+4). I Ain't Worried, OneRepublic 54 (+3). 5'9", Tyler Hubbard 58 (+5). Last Night Lonely, Jon Pardi 61 (+11). Son of a Sinner, Jelly Roll 65 (+4). Wishful Drinking, Ingrid Andress & Sam Hunt 69 (+7). Numb, Marshmello & Khalid 71 (+10). New Truck, Dylan Scott 72 (+14). Last Last, Burna Boy 73 (+6). Love Me More, Sam Smith 78 (+12). Unstoppable, Sia 83 (RE). Best Thing Since Backroads, Jake Owen 86 (RE). Bones, Imagine Dragons BU01. With a Woman You Love, Justin Moore BU02. Stay With Me, Calvin Harris, Justin Timberlake, Halsey, & Pharrell Williams BU03. Soul, Lee Brice BU04. Steppers, Yo Gotti, Moneybagg Yo, & 42 Dugg feat. EST Gee, Mozzy, & Blac Youngsta BU06. No Hard Feelings, Old Dominion BU07. Sunshine, Steve Lacy feat. Foushee BU11. Y'all Life, Walker Hayes BU15. Mercury, Steve Lacy BU16. Static, Steve Lacy BU17. Gangsta Art, Yo Gotti & Moneybagg Yo feat. 42 Dugg, EST Gee, Mozzy, Lehla Samia, & Black Youngsta BU24. Helmet, Steve Lacy
Confirmed survivors: Bad Habits, Master of Puppets, Super Gremlin, That's What I Want, Flower Shops Recurrent (below chart): Circles Around This Town
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 25, 2022 23:34:24 GMT -5
Imagine calling About Damn Time basic and then shilling for stuff like Easy On Me and As It Was lol, everything on Harry Styles last album sounds like it's part of a commercial, like I hear Music For A Sushi Restaurant I imagine a f**king Pepsi logo popping up somewhere. And Adele has been remaking "Someone Like You" for like 8 years now with diminishing returns (which is why that Adele album dropped like a rock after a month).
About Damn Time also sounds a bit like a commercial jingle but it has a groove to it, it has energy. As It Was is so limp, it goes nowhere and there's barely a hook. It swings into gear when the bells come in on the last chorus but that's all, it being a 10 week #1 hit is completely bizarre to me.
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 25, 2022 23:46:33 GMT -5
The best most amazing thing about music is, everyone has their tastes and none of them are wrong,
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 25, 2022 23:48:49 GMT -5
Plumbed from Chart History tonight: Confirmed survivors: Bad Habits **Cackles**
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jul 26, 2022 0:03:53 GMT -5
Also Flower Shops being still on Hot 100 and Circles Around This Town left the chart. The predictions are a miss. FWIW, both songs are dropping in country radio. There is a Thank You ad for Flower Shops and it left the airplay chart, but Circles Around This Town is still there. Looks like Flower Shops stayed on Hot 100 due to bullet in streaming.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 26, 2022 0:04:51 GMT -5
To the people who were anticipating this. If this becomes a proper hit (it's been building radio for a a couple weeks and still has good streaming on AM), this could wind up being Tems' 4th Top 40 hit
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jul 26, 2022 0:12:05 GMT -5
I'll add the new country entries that are between Best Thing Since Backroads (#21 on Hot Country Songs chart) and With a Woman You Love (#27 on Hot Country Songs chart): 85. Mitchell Tenpenny - Truth About You 94. Chris Young with Mitchell Tenpenny - At The End Of A Bar 100. Gabby Barrett - Pick Me Up
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jul 26, 2022 0:29:55 GMT -5
Damn I wanted Fousheé to get on the Hot 100 this week
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 26, 2022 4:42:27 GMT -5
Notable Gains: #14. Steve Lacy - Bad Habit (+36) *new peak* #61. Jelly Roll - Son of a Sinner (+11) *new peak* #66. Hitkidd and Glorilla - F.N.F. (Let's Go) (+12) *new peak* #71. Dylan Scott - New Truck (+10) *new peak* #72. Burna Boy - Last Last (+14) *new peak* #78. Sia - Unstoppable (+12) *new peak* #82. Carrie Underwood - Ghost Story (+14)
Notable Losses: #36. Kane Brown - Like I Love Country Music (-11) #50. Metallica - Master of Puppets (-15) #80. Tim McGraw - 7500 OBO (-14) #89. Brent Faiyaz - ALL MINE (-47)
Re-entries: #77. MoneyBagg Yo - See Wat I'm Sayin #83. Jake Owen - Best Thing Since Backroads #86. Imagine Dragons - Bones #92. Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You #97. Lil Baby - Right On #99. Bad Bunny and Tony Dize - La Corriente
Notable Dropouts: Circles Around This Town (25 weeks) To the Moon! (20 weeks) When You're Gone (15 weeks) Hold My Hand (10 weeks)
Biggest Gain in Sales: About Damn Time Biggest Gain in Airplay: Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) Biggest Gain in Streams: Bad Habit
Gained in Points: #1. Lizzo - About Damn Time (+1) *new peak* #3. Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God) (+1) *new peak* #6. Bad Bunny and Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito (=) #7. Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL (+2) #9. Harry Styles - Late Night Talking (+2) #12. Post Malone and Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) (+2) #16. Nicky Youre and dazy - Sunroof (+1) *new peak* #17. Luke Combs - The Kind of Love We Make (+2) #20. Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug (-2) #23. Morgan Wallen - You Proof (-1) #24. Bad Bunny - Moscow Mule (+3) #26. Cole Swindell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina (-1) #27. OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried (+4) *new peak* #34. Lil Baby - In A Minute (+9) #35. Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love (+2) *new peak* #39. Scotty McCreery - Damn Strait (-1) #42. Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place (+7) #48. Lil Durk feat. Gunna - What Happened to Virgil (+5) #52. SleazyWorld Go feat. Lil Baby - Sleazy Flow (+3) #54. Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 (+3) *new peak* #55. Post Malone feat. Roddy Ricch - Cooped Up (+5) #58. Jon Pardi - Last Night Lonely (+5) #62. Halsey - So Good (+3) #63. Yung Gravy - Betty (Get Money) (+5) *new peak* #65. Ingrid Andress with Sam Hunt - Wishful Drinking (+4) *new peak* #68. ERNEST feat. Morgan Wallen - Flower Shops (+5) #69. Marshmello and Khalid - Numb (+7) *new peak* #75. Nate Smith - Whiskey On You (+8) *new peak* #87. Russell Dickerson and Jake Scott - She Likes It (+5) #88. Megan Thee Stallion - Plan B (+6)
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 26, 2022 4:42:46 GMT -5
BUBBLING UNDER #1. Justin Moore - With A Woman You Love (+10) #2. Calvin Harris, Justin Timberlake, Halsey, and Pharrell Williams - Stay With Me (DEBUT) #3. Lee Brice - Soul (+11) #4. Yo Gotti, Moneybagg Yo, and 42 Dugg feat. EST Gee, Mozzy, and Blac Youngsta - Steppers (+3) #5. Cafuné - Tek It (+10) #6. Old Dominion - No Hard Feelings (+13) #7. Steve Lacy feat. Fousheé - Sunshine (DEBUT) #8. Leah Kate - 10 Things I Hate About You (+10) #9. Chris Stapleton - Joy of My Life (+11) #10. Jackson Dean - Don't Come Lookin' (+11) #11. Walker Hayes - Y'all Life (DEBUT) #12. YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Vette Motors (+5) #13. Jordan Davis - What My World Spins Around (re-entry) #14. Toosii - Love Is... (DEBUT) #15. Steve Lacy - Mercury (DEBUT) #16. Steve Lacy - Static (DEBUT) #17. Yo Gotti and Moneybagg Yo Featuring 42 Dugg, EST Gee, Mozzy, Lehla Samia, and Black Youngsta - Gangsta Art (DEBUT) #18. Katy Nichole - In Jesus Name (God of Possible) (+4) #19. Giveon - Lost Me (+6) #20. Ruth B. - Dandelions (re-entry) #21. PGF Nuk feat. Polo G - Waddup (+3) #22. Burna Boy feat. Ed Sheeran - For My Hand (-9) #23. BRELAND - Natural (re-entry) #24. Steve Lacy - Helmet (DEBUT) #25. Fivio Foreign and Queen Naija feat. Coi Leray (re-entry)
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 26, 2022 5:24:20 GMT -5
Also Flower Shops being still on Hot 100 and Circles Around This Town left the chart. The predictions are a miss. FWIW, both songs are dropping in country radio. There is a Thank You ad for Flower Shops and it left the airplay chart, but Circles Around This Town is still there. Looks like Flower Shops stayed on Hot 100 due to bullet in streaming. I wouldn't be surprised if Circles Around This Town fell off the Top 100 altogether. After all, Kane Brown's "Like I Love Country Music" mysteriously dropped to #36 and it's still being promoted on radio! That said, the way Billboard applies the recurrent rule is so inconsistent. Broadway Girls went recurrent anyway despite having a significant streaming gain in Week 21. (I know it would have gone recurrent the next week anyway, but apply the rule the same way.) In my opinion, it would be much better if Billboard made the rule black and white, with no songs charting below #50 after the 20th week (but they can re-enter once they reach the Top 50). In any case, I'm glad Beyonce's album is going to drop soon. The charts are in serious need of a freshening. Flower Shops hanging around and Bad Habits hanging on at #24/#25 is getting ridiculous at this point.
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Post by imbondz on Jul 26, 2022 5:34:25 GMT -5
I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%. that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days. Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower. Who created these graphs? This is some deep cool chart information. So interesting. Well done whoever created them.
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Post by korbel16 on Jul 26, 2022 5:38:26 GMT -5
About Damn time isn’t the worst thing in the world. the song kinda goes no where, but i’ll listen to it if i heard it on the radio or in public. ya’ll are overreacting lol, congrats lizzo!
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Post by imbondz on Jul 26, 2022 6:02:29 GMT -5
About Damn time isn’t the worst thing in the world. the song kinda goes no where, but i’ll listen to it if i heard it on the radio or in public. ya’ll are overreacting lol, congrats lizzo! I agree. It’s a fun song.
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Post by jasper0102 on Jul 26, 2022 6:11:04 GMT -5
About Damn time isn’t the worst thing in the world. the song kinda goes no where, but i’ll listen to it if i heard it on the radio or in public. ya’ll are overreacting lol, congrats lizzo! I think you just summed up all of my opinions on About Damn Time and it going to number one.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jul 26, 2022 6:11:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Circles Around This Town fell off the Top 100 altogether. Definitely not. It is between Truth About You (#85 on Hot 100) and She Likes It (#87 on Hot 100) in the Hot Country Songs chart. It had enough points to stay in Hot 100.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 26, 2022 7:17:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Circles Around This Town fell off the Top 100 altogether. Definitely not. It is between Truth About You (#85 on Hot 100) and She Likes It (#87 on Hot 100) in the Hot Country Songs chart. It had enough points to stay in Hot 100. Then the Kane Brown song dropping to #36 seems really fishy to me. The song is still gaining on country radio. I really don’t understand why this dropped so much on the Hot 100, especially on a week that didn’t have any debuts on the Top 50, unless its streaming tanked hard this past week.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jul 26, 2022 7:23:58 GMT -5
Then the Kane Brown song dropping to #36 seems really fishy to me. The song is still gaining on country radio. I really don’t understand why this dropped so much on the Hot 100, especially on a week that didn’t have any debuts on the Top 50, unless its streaming tanked hard this past week. Dropped from #11 to #23 on Country Streaming Songs chart. My educated guess would be decreased streams from Amazon Music, which usually can explain the sudden large change in streams for country songs.
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