Billboard Hot 100: 07/30/2022

[fridayteenage]

i still don't really understand these bzrp sessions, but good for them.

it's funny to see the "700 downloads sold worldwide" for a #1 though.

[gs]

Jul 25, 2022 13:24:25 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

If I remember correctly, the last #1 with sub-10M streams was Blank Space's final week at #1. I think it might have even had less than 9M streams that week.

Lol no, it was Butter with like 8.x million streams, don't even want to check

[Envoirment]

Lizzo #1 and Kate Bush finally getting a new peak at #3! A good week :)

[chingaling]

Jul 25, 2022 14:34:42 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

i still don't really understand these bzrp sessions, but good for them.

it's funny to see the "700 downloads sold worldwide" for a #1 though.

This is a guy, part of the new argentine urban scene, that started to mix songs in his bedroom at his parents house.

He started to record there free style sessions with kids that were rapping in the streets and then they evolved into music session (not necessarily free style). All of this being a teenager with no label behind.

He started to gain more and more followers and became famous in Argentina (he exploded with Nicki Nicole session). Late in 2019, the Nathy Peluso session gained momentum in Latin America and he expanded his brand.

Every session became an event in the spanish speaking world, until now that the last one seems to be crossing over to new markets.

He is an independent 23 years old marketing genius.

[chingaling]

Jul 25, 2022 14:46:44 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Lizzo #1 and Kate Bush finally getting a new peak at #3! A good week

I wonder if airplay can push Kate a little bit more (at least a #2 peak) or this is it....

[Groovy]

To the people who were anticipating this.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I wonder what the most common entry position is for a number one single?

[dynamac]

Looks like Stay With Me didn’t even debut. I’m pretty shocked about that, I liked the song and it looked to be doing decent on YouTube.

[kimberly]

Jul 25, 2022 15:21:01 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I wonder what the most common entry position is for a number one single?

I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. 

I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%.

that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days.

[Gary]

Jul 25, 2022 15:40:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jul 25, 2022 15:21:01 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I wonder what the most common entry position is for a number one single?

I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. 

I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%.

that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days.

Yep - by more than twice the # in 2nd (which is #83 btw)

[jenglisbe]

It is wild that in 2022 so many positions in the top 10 are because of airplay more than anything else. Who would have thought?

[dragonslair]

Jul 25, 2022 14:07:40 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 25, 2022 13:55:52 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

A track at No. 1 overall, without being No. 1 in multiple metrics, is just as "legit" as one that is No. 1 in multiple metrics in a given week. it's about the track with the most points overall. That's all.

I can understand if a song is #1 for a week or 2 without being #1 on any metric. However, if it’s like 5, 6, 7 weeks at #1 without topping a metric, then there is an obvious flaw with the Hot 100 formula.

I disagree,  it shows that there's no consensus on what people currently like,  Something shouldn't be #1 just because it is #1 in a matrix.  There is nothing wrong with averaging.

[ephelia]

Jul 25, 2022 15:40:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jul 25, 2022 15:21:01 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I wonder what the most common entry position is for a number one single?

I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. 

I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%.

that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days.

Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower.

[dragonslair]

Jul 25, 2022 14:23:16 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

#1s this decade that failed to crack the streaming top 5:
Watermelon Sugar (63k +614%)
Franchise (98k)
Savage Love (76k +814%)
Life Goes On (150k)
Permission to Dance(140k)
My Universe (127k)


So lizzo has the most radio payola fueled #1 this decade so far, with her 14k sales.

Payola? LOL right.

to pay to have a song pushed means you want to make money.  There's little money in radio, so paying to get airplay is a fools game and a definite loss.

so then, you either got streaming or sales that you want to drastically increase to make up for the money spent on the radio psyola.  Have you seen her sales and streaming numbers lol.  Yes, that payola really translated into some profit for the label!

 Ya know, maybe the song is being played cause it's inoffensive and plays to a common denominator without having people turn the station when it starts.  Radio is about keeping listeners - you do that best by playing songs that keep listeners tuned in, more than by playing some hot hit that will scare off people.  Radio isn't about the biggest song  it's about the song that is tolerated the most.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 25, 2022 16:39:47 GMT -5 ephelia said:

Jul 25, 2022 15:40:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. 

I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%.

that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days.

Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower.

It’s interesting that within each tier of ten positions, there’s an upward slope that favours the low end entry points and that it’s almost consistent the entire way through.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 25, 2022 16:49:37 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Jul 25, 2022 14:23:16 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

#1s this decade that failed to crack the streaming top 5:
Watermelon Sugar (63k +614%)
Franchise (98k)
Savage Love (76k +814%)
Life Goes On (150k)
Permission to Dance(140k)
My Universe (127k)


So lizzo has the most radio payola fueled #1 this decade so far, with her 14k sales.

Payola? LOL right.

to pay to have a song pushed means you want to make money.  There's little money in radio, so paying to get airplay is a fools game and a definite loss.

so then, you either got streaming or sales that you want to drastically increase to make up for the money spent on the radio psyola.  Have you seen her sales and streaming numbers lol.  Yes, that payola really translated into some profit for the label!

 Ya know, maybe the song is being played cause it's inoffensive and plays to a common denominator without having people turn the station when it starts.  Radio is about keeping listeners - you do that best by playing songs that keep listeners tuned in, more than by playing some hot hit that will scare off people.  Radio isn't about the biggest song  it's about the song that is tolerated the most.

You’ll eventually learn this subject to be like throwing eggs at the wall. It will never sink in and payola claims will continue forever.

[nathanalbright]

It is also somewhat interesting that no #1 has ever debuted at #19 or #30.

[joshtheking]

Jul 25, 2022 16:55:00 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

It is also somewhat interesting that no #1 has ever debuted at #19 or #30.

Don't Start Now sweetie I'm so sorry

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 25, 2022 16:49:37 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Jul 25, 2022 14:23:16 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

#1s this decade that failed to crack the streaming top 5:
Watermelon Sugar (63k +614%)
Franchise (98k)
Savage Love (76k +814%)
Life Goes On (150k)
Permission to Dance(140k)
My Universe (127k)


So lizzo has the most radio payola fueled #1 this decade so far, with her 14k sales.

Payola? LOL right.

to pay to have a song pushed means you want to make money.  There's little money in radio, so paying to get airplay is a fools game and a definite loss.

so then, you either got streaming or sales that you want to drastically increase to make up for the money spent on the radio psyola.  Have you seen her sales and streaming numbers lol.  Yes, that payola really translated into some profit for the label!

 Ya know, maybe the song is being played cause it's inoffensive and plays to a common denominator without having people turn the station when it starts.  Radio is about keeping listeners - you do that best by playing songs that keep listeners tuned in, more than by playing some hot hit that will scare off people.  Radio isn't about the biggest song  it's about the song that is tolerated the most.

I love About Damn Time, but inoffensive is not one word I would describe this song. There is way too much profanity, and the song even begins with a curse word. I think a lot of stations play a censored version, but I believe the reason why it is getting played a lot is because it is funk (and that translates well on all formats, see Uptown Funk).

[fridayteenage]

it is super inoffensive.

she's very much a jingles for commercials kind of artist. when i was on vacation and actually watched tv a bit, i kept seeing her water me in a water ad.

[nathanalbright]

I don't know about you, but the mental picture of Lizzo trying to water me wouldn't strike me as being particularly inoffensive, whatever else it might be.

[Choco]

Congrats to Lizzo. This song started super poorly and it rebounded into a #1 run.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

About Damn Time is so basic and generic, I'm so sorry...

As It Was remains the only #1 song of the year I like (not counting AIWFCIY and EOM).

[lazer]

About Damn Time sounds like a back to school commercial.

[dragonslair]

The radio edit is inoffensive, as that is what plays in radio, that's the version heard by radio listeners,

Inoffensive isn't just language. Or subject. It's also acceptability. As someone said, it's basic. Basic is good for radio and what it wants. Basic is acceptable to the masses and they won't flip the station.

Once people understand this concept, they've got radio nailed.

[iHype.]

I'm confused at Lizzo having "radio payola" because she's not charting as high on streaming (#8), while the songs above her on streaming:

1. As It Was has also already reached #1 on radio.

2. Me Porto Bonito, Titi Me Pregunto & Jimmy Cooks were never even serviced to radio (the former was maybe sent to Latin, that's it). 

3. Bad Habit *just* smashed a week ago. A song from an artist who has never had a radio hit before is supposed to magically be top 10 on radio after 1 week? And that wouldn't actually seem like payola?

4. Wait For U has already reached #1 on the radio formats it appeals to (Rhythmic, Urban).... a Future single obviously is not going to appeal over at HAC and AC. Lizzo's song simply appeals to more formats. 

Like this "payola" nonsense would actually have some merit if the 7 songs charting higher on streaming were also new singles pushed to radio months ago with similar crossover appeal seeing completely different results. But if a single now has higher radio audience than album tracks not serviced to radio and songs that took off literally a few days ago it's now because you have payola?....

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 25, 2022 17:50:54 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

About Damn Time is so basic and generic, I'm so sorry...

As It Was remains the only #1 song of the year I like (not counting AIWFCIY and EOM).

ABT being basic and generic but EOM isn’t?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 25, 2022 18:48:30 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 25, 2022 17:50:54 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

About Damn Time is so basic and generic, I'm so sorry...

As It Was remains the only #1 song of the year I like (not counting AIWFCIY and EOM).

ABT being basic and generic but EOM isn’t?

not imo. I appreciate good lyrics and great vocals. Also, EOM is somewhat different from today's popular music, while ADT already sounds dated to me, can't imagine in 5 years or so.

[jeiboy]

haters remain pressed!

ADT is a #1 and now its a fact

[85la]

Jul 25, 2022 16:39:47 GMT -5 ephelia said:

Jul 25, 2022 15:40:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I don't have any real data but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be No. 1, or at least it should be up there, from a pure probability perspective. 

I believe 62 songs have managed to debut at No. 1, out of 1,139 number-one singles. that means about 5.5% of all leaders debuted atop the Hot 100. if it were evenly distributed, the number would have been 1%.

that said, a song that debuts in the upper ranks might be more likely to become a No. 1 than something debuting in the bottom quarter. but I'm not sure if it had historically been this way or if this is a relatively new trend. I feel like songs used to debut low and peak high much more often than they do these days.

Yup, number one is the most common. Historically, though, most eventual number ones have debuted lower.

Yeah I remember just a few years ago this question was also posed (must have been around 2016 or 2017), and people thought then that the answer would have been #1, only to be surprised that it wasn't yet (#83 as Gary mentioned, or probably some other number around there based on how the distribution was at that time).

Interestingly, in the last two years alone, a whopping 26 songs were added to the list of #1-debuts!! (shown by Gary's thread here: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/175470/songs-debut-1

This was due to the proliferation of bundling/mass-purchasing/physical pre-orders, however the number slowed tremendously when these practices were all cracked-down upon.