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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 22, 2022 14:06:52 GMT -5
Radio needs better and a more dynamic playlist. Playing Stay on heavy rotation for almost an entire year just isn't it. Many people complain for the last few decades that certain songs have been overplayed on the radio and those complaints should be validated. Is the song really being overplayed though? Is it the people who like the song and then on that radio station, saying this song is overplayed, or is it people who don't really listen to the radio much ssying it is overplayed. Or even those who never liked the song to start. I liked Stay the first 7-8 weeks, but it was overplayed to the point I got sick of the song by Week 10/11. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 14:10:00 GMT -5
My point is that if you ask millions of people if they remember I Hope or Supalonely more, they are gonna pick the latter more. That song was like #1 trending on TikTok in early 2020 and reached top ten Spotify. The younger generation will. But if you ask my aunt or my grandma, they will for sure say I Hope. Even I would say I Hope, and I'm only 18. I Hope is way more culturally relevant than Supalonely any day of the week. Are you serious? I Hope was a predominately radio-powered hit while Supalonely was associated with the early pandemic lockdown of 2020. That song was more culturally relevant than I Hope. It fits in more with the zietgeist of the early 2020s pandemic while I Hope was just being overplayed on radio. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 22, 2022 14:11:49 GMT -5
Thanks. Beyonce will be 41 in September, so they were basically the same age like I thought. Good for them. Diana Ross is right in there as well age wise, and a perfect comparison, with the whole group thing first and then a successful solo career. True. I only thought of Donna Summer because Beyoncé sampled her on her debut album and now apparently this new album, and I thought they were the same age with the latest top 10s. Diana is definitely another parallel for the reason you mentioned, but I also just realized she was also 40 years old when "Missing You" went top 10. Was that her last top 10? |
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Post by 85la on Jul 22, 2022 14:13:06 GMT -5
Yes i think mostly everyone here still wants radio to be a part of the formula, but for it to also be weighed less as it can really bloat a song’s run when its streaming has peaked and already on the decline, or if that’s all its got to its name and its peaking really high, which off just one metric, it shouldn’t be that way. But it isn't bloating a song. It's only bloating it in the view of pro-streamers. Not everyone listens to music the same way, nor should they have to, nor should their listening be any less relevant, radio is a business, it's job is to keep listeners on, so they can sell more ads. Radio listeners are not streamers, they aren't after the hottest new trendy song. If listeners want that they can just go stream it. Radio can't compete with that instant satisfaction, and any attempt to do so is beyond foolish. They need to stand out and nab different listeners, radio is comfort food, you listen to the radio to hear your favs with a bit of new mixed in. So of course, songs will stick around longer. People will always want their fall back/go to songs. radio used to be different, way back in the day. It used to be the only way to hear new music. Then video and then streaming came along, radio moved on from being trend setting to playing what people like. And people like songs for a long long time. Always have, always will. And their listen should count just as much - but the trendies don't like that, so they continually belittle radio and the listeners of the same ole songs. Luckily there's a chart for that, Are you saying that you're satisfied with the current play distributions of songs on the radio? It's one thing to say that what is actually listened to/played shouldn't count as much (which I'm not sure I would support), but to say that you are you are happy with the metric itself and that you think certain songs aren't being increasingly played WAY too much as time goes on, honestly I haven't met or heard of a soul with such a view, and this sounds like an idea that would only be espoused by literally one of only 5 people in the country - the top few executives that control radio playlists. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 14:14:48 GMT -5
So old people are irrelevant? They are but a lot of them don’t really care about the modern music scene, they just listen to whatever they want. My opinion is that Fancy Like and I Hope should have lower chart positions than they did and Supalonely and Midnight Sky higher but sadly we don’t live in a better reality. But the songs I Hope and Fancy Like are the modern music scene. They might not be part of the modern music scene you listen to or care about, but they are certainly major players in the overall modern music scene. That were enjoyed probably by millions of people who rarely stream but listen to music hours a day. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 14:21:09 GMT -5
Is the song really being overplayed though? Is it the people who like the song and then on that radio station, saying this song is overplayed, or is it people who don't really listen to the radio much ssying it is overplayed. Or even those who never liked the song to start. I liked Stay the first 7-8 weeks, but it was overplayed to the point I got sick of the song by Week 10/11. Then an argument could be made you didn't really like the song, or only slightly liked it. I still frequently play/listen to Dark Side of the Moon. Decades later and I'm not sick of it. I've always Said it takes about five years before one really knows if they really like a song or not. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 14:24:07 GMT -5
They are but a lot of them don’t really care about the modern music scene, they just listen to whatever they want. My opinion is that Fancy Like and I Hope should have lower chart positions than they did and Supalonely and Midnight Sky higher but sadly we don’t live in a better reality. But the songs I Hope and Fancy Like are the modern music scene. They might not be part of the modern music scene you listen to or care about, but they are certainly major players in the overall modern music scene. That were enjoyed probably by millions of people who rarely stream but listen to music hours a day. Yes because those songs are definitely the anthems of Gen Z and Millennials. Why aren't songs like Lemonade, Blueberry Faygo, or What You Know Bout Love getting higher spots than I Hope? Because radio and Billboard are not perfect. Some people in this forum need to realize Billboard data isn't always perfect and factual. Seven Nation Army barely reached the top 50 on the Hot 100 but it was highly massive at the time and absolutely more remembered than a lot of songs from 2003 like Picture. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 14:29:48 GMT -5
But it isn't bloating a song. It's only bloating it in the view of pro-streamers. Not everyone listens to music the same way, nor should they have to, nor should their listening be any less relevant, radio is a business, it's job is to keep listeners on, so they can sell more ads. Radio listeners are not streamers, they aren't after the hottest new trendy song. If listeners want that they can just go stream it. Radio can't compete with that instant satisfaction, and any attempt to do so is beyond foolish. They need to stand out and nab different listeners, radio is comfort food, you listen to the radio to hear your favs with a bit of new mixed in. So of course, songs will stick around longer. People will always want their fall back/go to songs. radio used to be different, way back in the day. It used to be the only way to hear new music. Then video and then streaming came along, radio moved on from being trend setting to playing what people like. And people like songs for a long long time. Always have, always will. And their listen should count just as much - but the trendies don't like that, so they continually belittle radio and the listeners of the same ole songs. Luckily there's a chart for that, Are you saying that you're satisfied with the current play distributions of songs on the radio? It's one thing to say that what is actually listened to/played shouldn't count as much (which I'm not sure I would support), but to say that you are you are happy with the metric itself and that you think certain songs aren't being increasingly played WAY too much as time goes on, honestly I haven't met or heard of a soul with such a view, and this sounds like an idea that would only be espoused by literally one of only 5 people in the country - the top few executives that control radio playlists. I think radio should play what it thinks it should play, I also think that if there was an overwhelming swell of negativity about staid tired playlists, that those radio stations would be changing how they operate. Losing listeners aka advert dollars because people are tired of the music, is just not going to happen. We can all hate radio for one reason or another, but I don't think anyone can with a straight face, call the execs dumb. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 14:32:38 GMT -5
But the songs I Hope and Fancy Like are the modern music scene. They might not be part of the modern music scene you listen to or care about, but they are certainly major players in the overall modern music scene. That were enjoyed probably by millions of people who rarely stream but listen to music hours a day. Yes because those songs are definitely the anthems of Gen Z and Millennials. Why aren't songs like Lemonade, Blueberry Faygo, or What You Know Bout Love getting higher spots than I Hope? Because radio and Billboard are not perfect. Some people in this forum need to realize Billboard data isn't always perfect and factual. Seven Nation Army barely reached the top 50 on the Hot 100 but it was highly massive at the time and absolutely more remembered than a lot of songs from 2003 like Picture. Because the Hot 100 isn't the Gen Z 100. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 22, 2022 14:41:54 GMT -5
The younger generation will. But if you ask my aunt or my grandma, they will for sure say I Hope. Even I would say I Hope, and I'm only 18. I Hope is way more culturally relevant than Supalonely any day of the week. Are you serious? I Hope was a predominately radio-powered hit while Supalonely was associated with the early pandemic lockdown of 2020. That song was more culturally relevant than I Hope. It fits in more with the zietgeist of the early 2020s pandemic while I Hope was just being overplayed on radio. It's time for a pop quiz!!!!! Q1. Why was I Hope being played on the radio so much? {Answer}
PEOPLE CARED!!!!!! Q2. Why was Supalonely not being played on the radio that much? {Answer}
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Post by renaboss on Jul 22, 2022 14:45:19 GMT -5
Diana Ross is right in there as well age wise, and a perfect comparison, with the whole group thing first and then a successful solo career. True. I only thought of Donna Summer because Beyoncé sampled her on her debut album and now apparently this new album, and I thought they were the same age with the latest top 10s. Diana is definitely another parallel for the reason you mentioned, but I also just realized she was also 40 years old when "Missing You" went top 10. Was that her last top 10? It was, yeah. The next year she would go to #1 in the UK with "Chain Reaction", which fsr flopped in the US. Shame, it's one of her best songs. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 14:45:32 GMT -5
Yes because those songs are definitely the anthems of Gen Z and Millennials. Why aren't songs like Lemonade, Blueberry Faygo, or What You Know Bout Love getting higher spots than I Hope? Because radio and Billboard are not perfect. Some people in this forum need to realize Billboard data isn't always perfect and factual. Seven Nation Army barely reached the top 50 on the Hot 100 but it was highly massive at the time and absolutely more remembered than a lot of songs from 2003 like Picture. Because the Hot 100 isn't the Gen Z 100. But my point still stands that radio should look at what Gen Z and younger Millennials are listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 22, 2022 14:49:05 GMT -5
Because the Hot 100 isn't the Gen Z 100. But my point still stands that radio should look at what GEN Z is listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. Bruh. Gen Z is not the superior generation. Every generation is equal. I'm snack dab in the middle of Gen Z, so don't call me boomer for saying that. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 14:56:00 GMT -5
But my point still stands that radio should look at what GEN Z is listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. Bruh. Gen Z is not the superior generation. Every generation is equal. I'm snack dab in the middle of Gen Z, so don't call me boomer for saying that. I included Millennials too, specifically the younger ones. In response to your pop quiz, the reason why I Hope was massively overplayed in 2020 was because of the radio executives and DJ's decision. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 22, 2022 15:05:39 GMT -5
Bruh. Gen Z is not the superior generation. Every generation is equal. I'm snack dab in the middle of Gen Z, so don't call me boomer for saying that. I included Millennials too, specifically the younger ones. In response to your pop quiz, the reason why I Hope was massively overplayed in 2020 was because of the radio executives and DJ's decision. So Silent Gen, Boomers, and Gen X just don't matter? I know my aunt and my grandma were definitely not listening to Supalonely, whereas they sure as hell were listening to I Hope. Then when we get to young people do you think Gen Z and Millenial country fans were listening to Supalonely? No. They were listening to I Hope. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 15:07:29 GMT -5
But my point still stands that radio should look at what GEN Z is listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. Bruh. Gen Z is not the superior generation. Every generation is equal. I'm snack dab in the middle of Gen Z, so don't call me boomer for saying that. I wish forums and social media existed back in the 50s and 60s. it would be amazing to read all the flipping out when those pesky adults a year later caught on to The Twist and made it #1. I mean the song was a year old and dead. or how some old guy named Louis was number one instead of The Beatles with his old geezer song, the 50s and the clashing ideologies of changing music that produced a chart mixed up with that upstart rock n roll and the old people stuff - would have been particularly interesting to track online. The one thing I miss most in music is tolerance of other styles - but that sadly is not surprising as it is just following society in general going down that dark road. |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 22, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -5
Who cares?
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 15:10:17 GMT -5
The ten or so of us carrying on the conversation? |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 15:17:23 GMT -5
Because the Hot 100 isn't the Gen Z 100. But my point still stands that radio should look at what Gen Z and younger Millennials are listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. So you would really listen to a radio for two to four hours until the latest TikTok driven song you want to hear gets its turn amongst all the cool new memes/virals - rather than simply go stream it. i just don't see the kids doing that. Not when they can play it instantly and as often as they want. |
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Post by ephelia on Jul 22, 2022 15:56:14 GMT -5
Assuming they could get the data, I wonder if Billboard would ever publish versions of the Hot 100 with data from different age ranges (like a subchart for each generation). That would be really interesting to see, I think.
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 15:59:35 GMT -5
But my point still stands that radio should look at what Gen Z and younger Millennials are listening and promote them even more. If I were a radio exec, I would add 20-25 more new songs to play on rotation than they currently have and play the songs that are peaking on streaming services. Don't play the song after they peaked on streaming. Also, 4 months would be the maximum time a song would be on rotation; after that it's time to drop the song and move on to the next one. Radio would have way more audience if they did all of that. So you would really listen to a radio for two to four hours until the latest TikTok driven song you want to hear gets its turn amongst all the cool new memes/virals - rather than simply go stream it. i just don't see the kids doing that. Not when they can play it instantly and as often as they want. Not exactly what I’m saying. The radio should play like around 50 current songs so it won’t sound like they are playing only 6 songs on the radio and yes that would include TikTok hits. If new songs on Tiktok are trending, then it would be smart for radio to play the song so it would give the artists more attention. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 22, 2022 16:05:01 GMT -5
So old people are irrelevant? They are but a lot of them don’t really care about the modern music scene, they just listen to whatever they want. My opinion is that Fancy Like and I Hope should have lower chart positions than they did and Supalonely and Midnight Sky higher but sadly we don’t live in a better reality. I’m confused. Old people listen to whatever they want and young people… don’t? |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 22, 2022 16:05:10 GMT -5
The ten or so of us carrying on the conversation? It's not that deep for y'all carrying this on. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 22, 2022 16:06:22 GMT -5
Radio needs better and a more dynamic playlist. Playing Stay on heavy rotation for almost an entire year just isn't it. Many people complain for the last few decades that certain songs have been overplayed on the radio and those complaints should be validated. Is the song really being overplayed though? Is it the people who like the song and then on that radio station, saying this song is overplayed, or is it people who don't really listen to the radio much ssying it is overplayed. Or even those who never liked the song to start. Who are you because I stan! |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 22, 2022 16:12:44 GMT -5
Assuming they could get the data, I wonder if Billboard would ever publish versions of the Hot 100 with data from different age ranges (like a subchart for each generation. That would be really interesting to see, I think. To some degree, I feel like that might already be possible. Obviously not exact but I expect most corporations have data on their demographics so it would go without saying that most radio outlets and I’m sure streaming services have them too. Radio formats themselves are based almost purely on audience demographics, which include age. I’d be most curious about streaming demographics and whether Spotify and Apple Music have any sort of data on audience segments and listening habits/artists and music they listen to. We can speculate (and I certainly do) but it would be interesting to see the solid data on that. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 22, 2022 16:16:26 GMT -5
No joke, that's some pretty powerful logic. I think one of the reasons we have this sort of argument so often is because for people it's not enough that they can enjoy whatever music they like and listen to it however they choose, but they want the music to "win," and that introduces a competitive element that makes it hard to respect the different tastes that other people have.
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 16:20:27 GMT -5
They are but a lot of them don’t really care about the modern music scene, they just listen to whatever they want. My opinion is that Fancy Like and I Hope should have lower chart positions than they did and Supalonely and Midnight Sky higher but sadly we don’t live in a better reality. I’m confused. Old people listen to whatever they want and young people… don’t? Let me rephrase, a lot of old people likely don’t seek the majority of the music released in this century. Young people do listen to whatever they want, but they are the main demographics for most modern music. And yes, songs like I Hope and Fancy Like are modern but you wouldn’t go up to a group of teens and young adults and blast those songs and thinking they would be bumping to it. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 22, 2022 16:41:08 GMT -5
I’m confused. Old people listen to whatever they want and young people… don’t? Let me rephrase, a lot of old people likely don’t seek the majority of the music released in this century. Young people do listen to whatever they want, but they are the main demographics for most modern music. And yes, songs like I Hope and Fancy Like are modern but you wouldn’t go up to a group of teens and young adults and blast those songs and thinking they would be bumping to it. I’m still confused as to why you’re discounting these songs. Don’t get me wrong, I have zero interest in I Hope or Fancy Like, but if people (old or young) listen to them/like them enough, why shouldn’t that be reflected in charts? If a song is listened to/streamed/played enough at this current point in time, no matter who is listening to it and no matter how old it is, it should be reflected. |
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Post by dragonslair on Jul 22, 2022 17:37:13 GMT -5
Let me rephrase, a lot of old people likely don’t seek the majority of the music released in this century. Young people do listen to whatever they want, but they are the main demographics for most modern music. And yes, songs like I Hope and Fancy Like are modern but you wouldn’t go up to a group of teens and young adults and blast those songs and thinking they would be bumping to it. I’m still confused as to why you’re discounting these songs. Don’t get me wrong, I have zero interest in I Hope or Fancy Like, but if people (old or young) listen to them/like them enough, why shouldn’t that be reflected in charts? If a song is listened to/streamed/played enough at this current point in time, no matter who is listening to it and no matter how old it is, it should be reflected. I could see how maybe someone who started following the Hot 100 in 2017 ish - doesn't feel the current charts are the same nor represent the same as they did. The charts have definitely changed from a trend setting meme thing driven mostly by the under 20s, to a more traditional broader view represented by the under 35s. so it is hard to fault the view of those who would like it back how they knew it. Opinions, views and wants are like that  it must be disappointing to them. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 22, 2022 18:26:24 GMT -5
Let me rephrase, a lot of old people likely don’t seek the majority of the music released in this century. Young people do listen to whatever they want, but they are the main demographics for most modern music. And yes, songs like I Hope and Fancy Like are modern but you wouldn’t go up to a group of teens and young adults and blast those songs and thinking they would be bumping to it. I’m still confused as to why you’re discounting these songs. Don’t get me wrong, I have zero interest in I Hope or Fancy Like, but if people (old or young) listen to them/like them enough, why shouldn’t that be reflected in charts? If a song is listened to/streamed/played enough at this current point in time, no matter who is listening to it and no matter how old it is, it should be reflected. Tell Billboard that in the 90s when songs that weren't officially released as singles never charted(Don't Speak, Torn, etc) or when they placed TRL songs lower placements than they should be 1999/2000(Oops I Did It Again, It's Gonna Be Me, etc) or when they took to long to lift certain songs at the top of the charts in 2006/2007 when they have been doing extremely well in the first week of release(SOS, Sexyback, etc). Those songs should've been reflected correctly at those times. Also, many alternative rock songs during the 90s/00s weren't reflected properly in the Hot 100 charts as well. |
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it must be disappointing to them.