Billboard Hot 100: 08/27/2022

[rainygirl]

Aug 14, 2022 15:08:52 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Do you read these threads? Everyone gets dragged for "flop" openings, whether fairly or not.

I was about to say the same . Everyone thinks their fave is unfairly treated or that other artists are untouchable

[Deleted]

So Nicki turns 40 this year and with the child she is doing amazing job!

[thegreatdivine]

I'm just happy to see women be successful on the charts.

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 15:15:49 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Aug 14, 2022 15:08:52 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Do you read these threads? Everyone gets dragged for "flop" openings, whether fairly or not.

This, but it's also a catch-22 because if she's the biggest female rapper as her stans claim, then of course expectations will be higher for her. We don't expect Tori Kelly to open with the same numbers as Ariana Grande.

So we are now basing chart performance on fans and their opinions?

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 16:53:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I'm just happy to see women be successful on the charts.

Cause that is such a rare thing in chart history...

6 of the 11 acts with 10+ #1s are women
5 of the 10 acts with the most Top 10 hits are women
 

[Mayman]

Aug 14, 2022 17:07:41 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 16:53:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I'm just happy to see women be successful on the charts.

Cause that is such a rare thing in chart history...

6 of the 11 acts with 10+ #1s are women
5 of the 10 acts with the most Top 10 hits are women
 

My gosh do you have to argue about everything? Why can't somebody just say they're happy with women being successful without shit like this in response.

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 17:10:57 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Aug 14, 2022 17:07:41 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Cause that is such a rare thing in chart history...

6 of the 11 acts with 10+ #1s are women
5 of the 10 acts with the most Top 10 hits are women
 

My gosh do you have to argue about everything? Why can't somebody just say they're happy with women being successful without s**t like this in response.

Cause dragonslair is f**king right. Yall are making a huge deal out of something that isn't uncommon at all.

[Groovy]

The pessimism here, can we just celebrate people’s success here without making it into an argument?

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 18:17:24 GMT -5 Groovy said:

The pessimism here, can we just celebrate people’s success here without making it into an argument?

I get that, but it really shouldn't matter that Nicki is female. We should celebrate successful acts without putting them into categories like black or female. Just celebrate the person's success because they're a f**king person.

[Mayman]

Aug 14, 2022 18:14:05 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 17:10:57 GMT -5 Mayman said:

My gosh do you have to argue about everything? Why can't somebody just say they're happy with women being successful without s**t like this in response.

Cause dragonslair is f**king right. Yall are making a huge deal out of something that isn't uncommon at all.

Please stop with this hyperbole mess you've been doing the last few weeks. "Y'all are make a huge deal..." Y'all? Suddenly ONE person making a comment about it is multiple people? ONE person commenting about it in ONE sentence is a "huge deal"? The original comment was just a quick little statement about women being successful. But they're making a "huge deal" out of it? Miss me with that bulls**t.

I'm not sure why you've had this you vs. the world mentality the last week or so but it's getting weird.

[rainygirl]

Aug 14, 2022 18:14:05 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 17:10:57 GMT -5 Mayman said:

My gosh do you have to argue about everything? Why can't somebody just say they're happy with women being successful without s**t like this in response.

Cause dragonslair is f**king right. Yall are making a huge deal out of something that isn't uncommon at all.

all thegreatdivine said was that they are happy to see women doing well on the charts . That’s all! No big deal was made about anything. It’s a non issue so let’s move on xoxo

[kimberly]

For women in popular music, the song is still the same
annenberg.usc.edu/news/research-and-impact/women-popular-music-song-still-same

In 2021, 23.3% of artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Chart were women. There has been little change over time for women artists — only 21.8% of artists across ten years and 1,000 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts were women. This is a far cry from the percentage of women in the U.S. population (51%).

Consistent with previous years, the report found that women songwriters and producers remain outnumbered. In 2021, 14.4% of songwriters were women. This figure has not changed over time. Women comprised only 12.7% of the songwriters evaluated across all 10 years studied, a ratio of 6.8 men to every 1 woman songwriter. More than half of the songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts from 2012 to 2021 did not include any women songwriters.

For producers, women held only 3.9% of all producing positions across the songs on the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts. The percentage of women producers in 2021 increased non-significantly from 2020 and 2012, but did not surpass the 7-year high point of 5% in 2019. Overall, across a total of 1,522 producing credits in the 10-year sample, 97.2% were men and 2.8% were women. This is a ratio of 35 men to every 1 woman producer. Only 10 producers across the decade-spanning sample were women of color. The ratio of men producers to underrepresented women producers is 148 to 1.

Top 10 songwriters in the past 10 year-end lists:



Women Grammy nominees:

[singingrulebritannia]

Aug 12, 2022 13:59:26 GMT -5 snidelaughter said:

gotta say, even ignoring who Dr. Luke is as a person, he’s becoming a hack of a producer through making classic samples sound mediocre (Big Energy and now Super Freaky Girl)

Don't forget his butchering of "Blow The Whistle" on Saweetie's "Tap In"

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 18:26:46 GMT -5 kimberly said:

For women in popular music, the song is still the same
annenberg.usc.edu/news/research-and-impact/women-popular-music-song-still-same

In 2021, 23.3% of artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Chart were women. There has been little change over time for women artists — only 21.8% of artists across ten years and 1,000 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts were women. This is a far cry from the percentage of women in the U.S. population (51%).

Consistent with previous years, the report found that women songwriters and producers remain outnumbered. In 2021, 14.4% of songwriters were women. This figure has not changed over time. Women comprised only 12.7% of the songwriters evaluated across all 10 years studied, a ratio of 6.8 men to every 1 woman songwriter. More than half of the songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts from 2012 to 2021 did not include any women songwriters.

For producers, women held only 3.9% of all producing positions across the songs on the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts. The percentage of women producers in 2021 increased non-significantly from 2020 and 2012, but did not surpass the 7-year high point of 5% in 2019. Overall, across a total of 1,522 producing credits in the 10-year sample, 97.2% were men and 2.8% were women. This is a ratio of 35 men to every 1 woman producer. Only 10 producers across the decade-spanning sample were women of color. The ratio of men producers to underrepresented women producers is 148 to 1.

Top 10 songwriters in the past 10 year-end lists:



Women Grammy nominees:

I actually didn't know that. Thx for the info.

That being said I still stand by the fact that we should congratulate Nicki because she's a person, and not because she's a woman.

[Groovy]

Aug 14, 2022 18:21:06 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:17:24 GMT -5 Groovy said:

The pessimism here, can we just celebrate people’s success here without making it into an argument?

I get that, but it really shouldn't matter that Nicki is female. We should celebrate successful acts without putting them into categories like black or female. Just celebrate the person's success because they're a f**king person.

Let’s look at this way, not a lot of acts (women in particular) don’t have much mainstream success at 40 so to see two doing so, it should be noted.

[suzcruz7]

Oh god, not this "All Artists Matter" mindset.

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 18:25:09 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:14:05 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Cause dragonslair is f**king right. Yall are making a huge deal out of something that isn't uncommon at all.

Please stop with this hyperbole mess you've been doing the last few weeks. "Y'all are make a huge deal..." Y'all? Suddenly ONE person making a comment about it is multiple people? ONE person commenting about it in ONE sentence is a "huge deal"? The original comment was just a quick little statement about women being successful. But they're making a "huge deal" out of it? Miss me with that bulls**t.

I'm not sure why you've had this you vs. the world mentality the last week or so but it's getting weird.

I was saying in general there's always people congratulating women cause their women and not because they're people. I wasn't just referencing this specific instance. I'm sorry if it came off different but that's what I meant. Also everybody has kinda been against me in the past week over random s**t I say. Again that might be just a me thing and I'm either
A. Forgetting how many people are saying s**t against me and it's just a few people. Or
B. I'm misinterpreting yall, and I'm sorry if I am.

Also to be fair I didn't know those stats until Kimberly's post. Women success still isn't as rare as a lot of yall are making it out to be, but there's a lot of things I didn't know. But we should still celebrate people as people, and not because of their gender, race, etc. Saying stats like the 3rd women to blah blah blah is interesting and shiuld be noted, but gender, race, shouldn't be the reason to celebrate their success.

[dragonslair]

I believe Diane Warren is still the top songwriter of all time on the Hot 100, unless that changed in the past year or so,

[Gary]

New pulse rule. You can’t express positive emotion or get excited about women in music without backing it up with a bunch of charts, facts and figures


LOL

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 18:26:46 GMT -5 kimberly said:

For women in popular music, the song is still the same
annenberg.usc.edu/news/research-and-impact/women-popular-music-song-still-same

In 2021, 23.3% of artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Chart were women. There has been little change over time for women artists — only 21.8% of artists across ten years and 1,000 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts were women. This is a far cry from the percentage of women in the U.S. population (51%).

Consistent with previous years, the report found that women songwriters and producers remain outnumbered. In 2021, 14.4% of songwriters were women. This figure has not changed over time. Women comprised only 12.7% of the songwriters evaluated across all 10 years studied, a ratio of 6.8 men to every 1 woman songwriter. More than half of the songs on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts from 2012 to 2021 did not include any women songwriters.

For producers, women held only 3.9% of all producing positions across the songs on the 2021 Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts. The percentage of women producers in 2021 increased non-significantly from 2020 and 2012, but did not surpass the 7-year high point of 5% in 2019. Overall, across a total of 1,522 producing credits in the 10-year sample, 97.2% were men and 2.8% were women. This is a ratio of 35 men to every 1 woman producer. Only 10 producers across the decade-spanning sample were women of color. The ratio of men producers to underrepresented women producers is 148 to 1.

Top 10 songwriters in the past 10 year-end lists:



Women Grammy nominees:

Take out the producers who get credit when they didn't really write the song  then get back to me with the revised list.

ues it's not surprising a male, Drake, has the most considering he has the most songs charting on the Hot 100 in the ten year period,

[rainygirl]

Aug 14, 2022 18:43:28 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:25:09 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Please stop with this hyperbole mess you've been doing the last few weeks. "Y'all are make a huge deal..." Y'all? Suddenly ONE person making a comment about it is multiple people? ONE person commenting about it in ONE sentence is a "huge deal"? The original comment was just a quick little statement about women being successful. But they're making a "huge deal" out of it? Miss me with that bulls**t.

I'm not sure why you've had this you vs. the world mentality the last week or so but it's getting weird.

I was saying in general there's always people congratulating women cause their women and not because they're people. I wasn't just referencing this specific instance. I'm sorry if it came off different but that's what I meant. Also everybody has kinda been against me in the past week over random s**t I say. Again that might be just a me thing and I'm either
A. Forgetting how many people are saying s**t against me and it's just a few people. Or
B. I'm misinterpreting yall, and I'm sorry if I am.

Also to be fair I didn't know those stats until Kimberly's post. Women success still isn't as rare as a lot of yall are making it out to be, but there's a lot of things I didn't know. But we should still celebrate people as people, and not because of their gender, race, etc. Saying stats like the 3rd women to blah blah blah is interesting and shiuld be noted, but gender, race, shouldn't be the reason to celebrate their success.

I’m not against you and I don’t think many people here are . It’s not that deep for me . But sometimes you just have to accept that people have different points of view and let it go and move on . Same people who disagree with you today will agree with you tomorrow on another topic .. so it’s all good xoxo

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 18:49:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

New pulse rule. You can’t express positive emotion or get excited about women in music without backing it up with a bunch of charts, facts and figures


LOL

Ow come on  let's drop fooling ourselves and pretending,  if someone said - glad to see the men doing well - or - glad to see the straights doing great - there'd be a civil war on the thread.

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 18:56:58 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:43:28 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

I was saying in general there's always people congratulating women cause their women and not because they're people. I wasn't just referencing this specific instance. I'm sorry if it came off different but that's what I meant. Also everybody has kinda been against me in the past week over random s**t I say. Again that might be just a me thing and I'm either
A. Forgetting how many people are saying s**t against me and it's just a few people. Or
B. I'm misinterpreting yall, and I'm sorry if I am.

Also to be fair I didn't know those stats until Kimberly's post. Women success still isn't as rare as a lot of yall are making it out to be, but there's a lot of things I didn't know. But we should still celebrate people as people, and not because of their gender, race, etc. Saying stats like the 3rd women to blah blah blah is interesting and shiuld be noted, but gender, race, shouldn't be the reason to celebrate their success.

I’m not against you and I don’t think many people here are . It’s not that deep for me . But sometimes you just have to accept that people have different points of view and let it go and move on . Same people who disagree with you today will agree with you tomorrow on another topic .. so it’s all good xoxo

Then why didn't people simply allow me to post my view and move on?

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 18:57:01 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:49:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

New pulse rule. You can’t express positive emotion or get excited about women in music without backing it up with a bunch of charts, facts and figures


LOL

Ow come on  let's drop fooling ourselves and pretending,  if someone said - glad to see the men doing well - or - glad to see the straights doing great - there'd be a civil war on the thread.

That's true. I think we should celebrate all people no matter the race, gender, sexuality. People are people.

[Gary]

Aug 14, 2022 18:57:01 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:49:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

New pulse rule. You can’t express positive emotion or get excited about women in music without backing it up with a bunch of charts, facts and figures


LOL

Ow come on  let's drop fooling ourselves and pretending,  if someone said - glad to see the men doing well - or - glad to see the straights doing great - there'd be a civil war on the thread.

From the looks of things a civil war is brewing either way

Have at it.

[Darkest Hour]

Just because some women did better than most of men doesn't mean all women did better than men.

It's like a woman having #1 and men having #2~#10 in a particular category.

[Gary]

Aug 14, 2022 18:59:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:57:01 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Ow come on  let's drop fooling ourselves and pretending,  if someone said - glad to see the men doing well - or - glad to see the straights doing great - there'd be a civil war on the thread.

That's true. I think we should celebrate all people no matter the race, gender, sexuality. People are people.

Charts stats tables , year end magazines etc have been separated by gender since forever.

Grammys as well

Top female artist etc.

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 19:04:28 GMT -5 Gary said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:59:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

That's true. I think we should celebrate all people no matter the race, gender, sexuality. People are people.

Charts stats tables , year end magazines etc have been separated by gender since forever.

Grammys as well

Top female artist etc.

If you actually read my posts, you would see that I'm very interested in gender stats. What I said was that shouldn't be the reason to celebrate someone's success.

Not trying to be mean or accusatory, just correcting your misinformation about my point of veiw.

[Gary]

Aug 14, 2022 19:07:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:04:28 GMT -5 Gary said:

Charts stats tables , year end magazines etc have been separated by gender since forever.

Grammys as well

Top female artist etc.

If you actually read my posts, you would see that I'm very interested in gender stats. What I said was that shouldn't be the reason to celebrate someone's success.

Not trying to be mean or accusatory, just correcting your misinformation about my point of veiw.

So if someone else wants to celebrate gender success or in particular women in music, why not let them?

That person that started this argument could also be interested in gender stats too?

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 19:07:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:04:28 GMT -5 Gary said:

Charts stats tables , year end magazines etc have been separated by gender since forever.

Grammys as well

Top female artist etc.

If you actually read my posts, you would see that I'm very interested in gender stats. What I said was that shouldn't be the reason to celebrate someone's success.

Not trying to be mean or accusatory, just correcting your misinformation about my point of veiw.

I agree. It's a fine line, but a crucial one.  Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah can all win awards in a category such as female or any other type like race, age etc.  But they should be celebrated for being a Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah. As themselves. Not delegated to some race or gender or age.

Meryl Streep wins lots of female Oscar awards. But she's celebrated as a Meryl, one of the best performers of all time. Not just as a female. People don't bring up she's female every time they discuss her acting.