Billboard Hot 100: 08/27/2022

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:07:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

If you actually read my posts, you would see that I'm very interested in gender stats. What I said was that shouldn't be the reason to celebrate someone's success.

Not trying to be mean or accusatory, just correcting your misinformation about my point of veiw.

I agree. It's a fine line, but a crucial one.  Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah can all win awards in a category such as female or any other type like race, age etc.  But they should be celebrated for being a Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah. As themselves. Not delegated to some race or gender or age.

Meryl Streep wins lots of female Oscar awards. But she's celebrated as a Meryl, one of the best performers of all time. Not just as a female. People don't bring up she's female every time they discuss her acting.

Exactly. Like my family accepts me being gay, but I'm not appreciated because I'm gay. I'm appreciated because I'm me. People don't think of me as "the gay guy". People think of me as me. That should be the same for everyone.

[jenglisbe]

Aug 14, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:07:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

If you actually read my posts, you would see that I'm very interested in gender stats. What I said was that shouldn't be the reason to celebrate someone's success.

Not trying to be mean or accusatory, just correcting your misinformation about my point of veiw.

I agree. It's a fine line, but a crucial one.  Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah can all win awards in a category such as female or any other type like race, age etc.  But they should be celebrated for being a Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah. As themselves. Not delegated to some race or gender or age.

Meryl Streep wins lots of female Oscar awards. But she's celebrated as a Meryl, one of the best performers of all time. Not just as a female. People don't bring up she's female every time they discuss her acting.

For one, people most definitely bring up Meryl being a woman when they discuss her.

For another, your general point makes sense, but it's not reality. It would be great if we can get to a day where what you say is possible, but it isn't in 2022. The reality is that the playing field is not even; it is harder for women to break through in most areas as compared to men, and it is harder for non-white people to break through as well. As such we do need to highlight when people break through because that helps other women and non-whites.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

These Hot 100 threads are everything but Hot 100 threads, I swear

[jasper0102]

I mean, atleast with the arguments here around As It Was, even if those arguments would sometimes go into tangents about Harry himself and not the song, atleast it was somewhat chart related, at the very least.

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 19:24:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

I agree. It's a fine line, but a crucial one.  Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah can all win awards in a category such as female or any other type like race, age etc.  But they should be celebrated for being a Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Taylor, Mariah. As themselves. Not delegated to some race or gender or age.

Meryl Streep wins lots of female Oscar awards. But she's celebrated as a Meryl, one of the best performers of all time. Not just as a female. People don't bring up she's female every time they discuss her acting.

For one, people most definitely bring up Meryl being a woman when they discuss her.

For another, your general point makes sense, but it's not reality. It would be great if we can get to a day where what you say is possible, but it isn't in 2022. The reality is that the playing field is not even; it is harder for women to break through in most areas as compared to men, and it is harder for non-white people to break through as well. As such we do need to highlight when people break through because that helps other women and non-whites.

1. no they don't.  So every time you comment about Meryl in a movie that opened up On a Friday, you'd mention she was female? 

2. as long as we continue to make it "us vs them", we will never get there.

I do apologize, I didn't think posting stats that showed women were doing good would get me flamed by another user And derail things,  this whole thing has made me feel rather sick.

sorry.  I'll stop posting now and sharing my stats.

[joshtheking]

We're gonna be seeing Zeebz a lot more in these threads I fear

[jenglisbe]

Aug 14, 2022 19:42:50 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:24:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

For one, people most definitely bring up Meryl being a woman when they discuss her.

For another, your general point makes sense, but it's not reality. It would be great if we can get to a day where what you say is possible, but it isn't in 2022. The reality is that the playing field is not even; it is harder for women to break through in most areas as compared to men, and it is harder for non-white people to break through as well. As such we do need to highlight when people break through because that helps other women and non-whites.

1. no they don't.  So every time you comment about Meryl in a movie that opened up On a Friday, you'd mention she was female? 

How did we jump to "every time" here? There are more options than every time and never.

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 19:38:51 GMT -5 jasper0102 said:

I mean, atleast with the arguments here around As It Was, even if those arguments would sometimes go into tangents about Harry himself and not the song, atleast it was somewhat chart related, at the very least.

Speaking of said song, I wonder could aiw break the record for longest time between first week at #1 and last week at #1 for a non holiday song. What has the record rn?

Cause bms will probably be #1 8/20. Then Nicki will probably be #1 8/27. But I think Harry could take back the #1 9/3.

[atg]

I can already feel that this would be the most discussed hot 100 thread of 2022… and we aren’t even talking about the charts 90% of the time.

[onebuffalo]

It's strange to be talking about charts in the Chart Discussion section of this website. Who'd a thunk?

[bboat11]

Aug 14, 2022 19:43:21 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

We're gonna be seeing Zeebz a lot more in these threads I fear

Even worse....

[M5AGTS]

Guys. Please. Repeatedly saying how these threads aren't on topic isn't helping. It's only hurting.

Now I think the record for non holiday song with the largest gap between first week at #1 and last week at #1 is Old Town Road. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If aiw returns to #1, it will beat that, which is definitely impressive.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Incredible how a page and a half of dumb posts and arguments all started from divine just wanting to celebrate Nicki. Some of y'all really need to spend 24 hours off Pulse i s2g

[Gary]

Aug 14, 2022 20:14:55 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Guys. Please. Repeatedly saying how these threads aren't on topic isn't helping. It's only hurting.

Now I think the record for non holiday song with the largest gap between first week at #1 and last week at #1 is Old Town Road. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If aiw returns to #1, it will beat that, which is definitely impressive.

The Twist

[bboat11]

Aug 14, 2022 19:42:50 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:24:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

For one, people most definitely bring up Meryl being a woman when they discuss her.

For another, your general point makes sense, but it's not reality. It would be great if we can get to a day where what you say is possible, but it isn't in 2022. The reality is that the playing field is not even; it is harder for women to break through in most areas as compared to men, and it is harder for non-white people to break through as well. As such we do need to highlight when people break through because that helps other women and non-whites.

1. no they don't.  So every time you comment about Meryl in a movie that opened up On a Friday, you'd mention she was female? 

2. as long as we continue to make it "us vs them", we will never get there.

I do apologize, I didn't think posting stats that showed women were doing good would get me flamed by another user And derail things,  this whole thing has made me feel rather sick.

sorry.  I'll stop posting now and sharing my stats.

Yeah, you can go ahead and stop with this victim act. Someone said they were happy to see women being successful, and you posted stats about how other women have been successful in the past for one possible reason: to discredit and undermine their happiness that women are currently doing well. The sarcastic tone of your post made that perfectly obvious. "Cause that is such a rare thing in chart history..." can be directly translated to "You are stupid for being happy about something that has happened before". You were not simply "posting stats that showed women were doing good", you were posting a "gotcha" list to try to make somebody look foolish for being happy. So yes, thank you for stopping sharing your stats now. I hope you get over your self-imposed sickness as quickly and classily as possible.

Aug 14, 2022 18:59:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Aug 14, 2022 18:57:01 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Ow come on  let's drop fooling ourselves and pretending,  if someone said - glad to see the men doing well - or - glad to see the straights doing great - there'd be a civil war on the thread.

That's true. I think we should celebrate all people no matter the race, gender, sexuality. People are people.

You are 100% correct....and also kinda missing the point by continuing to say this over and over again. I think we can all agree that people should be celebrated for their accomplishments without being defined by labels! A recent example is President Biden promising to appoint a black female supreme court justice, which as soon as he did, caused her to be heavily criticized as a "diversity pick", only getting the job for her demographics rather than her credentials, etc. despite also having amazing credentials. She deserved to stand up on her own merit, and it was not fair for her to have her legitimacy called into question because of labels.

However, that doesn't mean it is a bad thing to focus on labels in an impersonal context like looking at music charts. If a female duet goes #1 on country radio, by all means it is fair to point out that it is the first time that has happened since the early '90s. A big accomplishment like a #1 hit can become an even bigger accomplishment when viewed through labels, as it absolutely should be! Carly Pearce and Ashley McBryde taking a female duet to #1 for the first time since 1993 SHOULD be acknowledged as being a substantially bigger deal than Luke Bryan getting his latest unremarkable #1 that nobody cares about. Viewing accomplishments without labels can also help cover up huge problems that exist within the music industry, such as racism, sexism, and ageism. Saying "a black female artist went #1" is NOT meant to demean Nicki Minaj's success with a label, it is meant to point out that she had factors working against her and still found success, which makes her success that much sweeter. And pointing out those accomplishments can start conversations that may ultimately help marginalized groups to feel more represented over time.



Now this is directed to everybody, I thought I made myself clear yesterday. I swear some people would walk directly in front of a moving swing and then get surprised when you get whacked... Don't be one of those people! And please report posts that you feel violate rules rather than engaging with them!

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 20:29:03 GMT -5 Gary said:

Aug 14, 2022 20:14:55 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

Guys. Please. Repeatedly saying how these threads aren't on topic isn't helping. It's only hurting.

Now I think the record for non holiday song with the largest gap between first week at #1 and last week at #1 is Old Town Road. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If aiw returns to #1, it will beat that, which is definitely impressive.

The Twist

Oh yeah true. Is there a top ten for that posted somewhere?

[wavey.]

Aug 14, 2022 20:08:30 GMT -5 bboat11 said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:43:21 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

We're gonna be seeing Zeebz a lot more in these threads I fear

Even worse....

Dnjjdjjdxjjdj the GIF that keeps on giving.

[dragonslair]

Aug 14, 2022 20:38:39 GMT -5 bboat11 said:

Aug 14, 2022 19:42:50 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

1. no they don't.  So every time you comment about Meryl in a movie that opened up On a Friday, you'd mention she was female? 

2. as long as we continue to make it "us vs them", we will never get there.

I do apologize, I didn't think posting stats that showed women were doing good would get me flamed by another user And derail things,  this whole thing has made me feel rather sick.

sorry.  I'll stop posting now and sharing my stats.

Yeah, you can go ahead and stop with this victim act. Someone said they were happy to see women being successful, and you posted stats about how other women have been successful in the past for one possible reason: to discredit and undermine their happiness that women are currently doing well. The sarcastic tone of your post made that perfectly obvious. "Cause that is such a rare thing in chart history..." can be directly translated to "You are stupid for being happy about something that has happened before". You were not simply "posting stats that showed women were doing good", you were posting a "gotcha" list to try to make somebody look foolish for being happy. So yes, thank you for stopping sharing your stats now. I hope you get over your self-imposed sickness as quickly and classily as possible.

Aug 14, 2022 18:59:44 GMT -5 M5AGTS said:

That's true. I think we should celebrate all people no matter the race, gender, sexuality. People are people.

You are 100% correct....and also kinda missing the point by continuing to say this over and over again. I think we can all agree that people should be celebrated for their accomplishments without being defined by labels! A recent example is President Biden promising to appoint a black female supreme court justice, which as soon as he did, caused her to be heavily criticized as a "diversity pick", only getting the job for her demographics rather than her credentials, etc. despite also having amazing credentials. She deserved to stand up on her own merit, and it was not fair for her to have her legitimacy called into question because of labels.

However, that doesn't mean it is a bad thing to focus on labels in an impersonal context like looking at music charts. If a female duet goes #1 on country radio, by all means it is fair to point out that it is the first time that has happened since the early '90s. A big accomplishment like a #1 hit can become an even bigger accomplishment when viewed through labels, as it absolutely should be! Carly Pearce and Ashley McBryde taking a female duet to #1 for the first time since 1993 SHOULD be acknowledged as being a substantially bigger deal than Luke Bryan getting his latest unremarkable #1 that nobody cares about. Viewing accomplishments without labels can also help cover up huge problems that exist within the music industry, such as racism, sexism, and ageism. Saying "a black female artist went #1" is NOT meant to demean Nicki Minaj's success with a label, it is meant to point out that she had factors working against her and still found success, which makes her success that much sweeter. And pointing out those accomplishments can start conversations that may ultimately help marginalized groups to feel more represented over time.



Now this is directed to everybody, I thought I made myself clear yesterday. I swear some people would walk directly in front of a moving swing and then get surprised when you get whacked... Don't be one of those people! And please report posts that you feel violate rules rather than engaging with them!

Your interpretation of what I said is not what I intended or was aiming for, nor how I'd read it.

i also don't appreciate a mod singling me out and putting words in my mouth in public, I do not think  that is appropriate.

as I said, I'm done posting, so do what yo feel you need to do for me making this post, it's my last anyway.

[M5AGTS]

Guys. Please stop. Let's just be friends. We all have different viewpoints and that's ok. Having friendly arguments is fun, but attacking people for their opinions is not ok.

Can we just talk about Harry Styles or Bad Bunny or someone else relevant to the hot 100 rn and just stop?

[bboat11]

Aug 14, 2022 20:53:22 GMT -5 dragonslair said:

Aug 14, 2022 20:38:39 GMT -5 bboat11 said:

Your interpretation of what I said is not what I intended or was aiming for, nor how I'd read it.

i also don't appreciate a mod singling me out and putting words in my mouth in public, I do not think  that is appropriate.

as I said, I'm done posting, so do what yo feel you need to do for me making this post, it's my last anyway.

Well I will go ahead and publicly say here what I just said to you in PM. I apologize that you feel singled out. But I am also 100% correct in my description of the way that people interpreted your post. So if the general response from myself and several others upsets you, I would recommend taking my words to heart so that you can try to avoid everyone misunderstanding your intentions in the future. If you do not intend for something to be taken a certain way, but you are unwilling to apologize or clarify, then it doesn't matter what your intentions were. The end result is still thread derailment.

Also, I asked for people to stop engaging in petty drama yesterday, and now here we are, so that's also the reason for a little more blunt response today...

You can see from the second half of my response that my intent is not just to "come for people", but also to push discussion into a positive direction. That is my only wish! Thanks everybody

[M5AGTS]

Guys I've been trying to change the topic for several posts and it's not working. I really don't want this thread to be locked, so let's let this go, all be friends, and talk about artists that are impacting the hot 100 rn please.

[nathanalbright]

This chart week will be the 20th week for Damn Strait and Take My Name--how likely do you think it is that either or both of them will be in the top 50 for this chart week and thus have a reasonable chance at beating recurrency and improving their YE chances?

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 21:25:20 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

This chart week will be the 20th week for Damn Strait and Take My Name--how likely do you think it is that either or both of them will be in the top 50 for this chart week and thus have a reasonable chance at beating recurrency and improving their YE chances?

Tmn has long peaked so definitely not. Ds probably not either honestly. I still think they'll both make the year end list tho.

Also on the topic of chart deaths, I definitely see Super Gremlin's demise happening this chart week.

[thegreatdivine]

[M5AGTS]

Aug 14, 2022 21:28:56 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Ok, but this made me laugh way harder than anything else today.

[singingrulebritannia]

Aug 14, 2022 10:36:18 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

167(DEBUT) Ghost - Mary on a Cross 245,522

Yo for real? A hard rock band that didn't debut before the 2010s charting on American Spotify? Well how about that!

[gikem]

Aug 14, 2022 21:54:03 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Aug 14, 2022 10:36:18 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

167(DEBUT) Ghost - Mary on a Cross 245,522

Yo for real? A hard rock band that didn't debut before the 2010s charting on American Spotify? Well how about that!

Interesting that it’s this one-off from 2019 that’s going viral and not Dance Macabre, one of their poppiest songs ever that would fit right in with current synthpop trends and that is screaming to be included on Halloween playlists every year.

But hey, at least it’s not Twenties, so I’ll take it.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

This thread is a real treat!

[Zeebz]

Aug 14, 2022 19:43:21 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

We're gonna be seeing Zeebz a lot more in these threads I fear

Wow damn call me out 💀💀

I do be getting tired of having to make the same kind of posts, though! Y’all pls stay on topic 🤞🏻

[JukeboxJacob]

Aug 14, 2022 19:27:16 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

These Hot 100 threads are everything but Hot 100 threads, I swear

what's a hot 100?