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Post by matty005 on Aug 10, 2023 15:00:09 GMT -5
Gross that people have seen her multiple times complaining about being waitlisted on social media. I HAVE YET TO SEE HER. TM needs to be sued into the ground about their handling of these codes. How is it that people get codes that have already seen her while we are left out in the cold???! Mess. Don't get me wrong, TM is the worst but I am not sure what else can be done for this. The demand for these shows is INSANE. No matter how good/fair TM is there would still be hundreds of thousands of people who don't get to see her/buy tickets. Again, not defending TM at all, but there is just no possible way to meet the demand.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 10, 2023 16:08:35 GMT -5
Names should be linked to tickets and the buyer should be among the 1-4 purchased when attending so they can’t be resold. I’m okay with the random draw and people being randomly picked to go multiple times. I’m not okay with the fact that people are able to buy them only to immediately sell them online. Until they change that, Ticketmaster can go fuck themselves.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 10, 2023 16:11:13 GMT -5
Gross that people have seen her multiple times complaining about being waitlisted on social media. I HAVE YET TO SEE HER. TM needs to be sued into the ground about their handling of these codes. How is it that people get codes that have already seen her while we are left out in the cold???! Mess. Don't get me wrong, TM is the worst but I am not sure what else can be done for this. The demand for these shows is INSANE. No matter how good/fair TM is there would still be hundreds of thousands of people who don't get to see her/buy tickets. Again, not defending TM at all, but there is just no possible way to meet the demand. yeah, the bottom line is that Ticketmaster and Taylor Swift are both getting paid. the frenzy helps them. they're not going to set up a college application style process for presale eligibility, that would be a fuckload of unnecessary work. I do wish they could work with Spotify to give her true fans a fighting chance, but that would mean "picking a side" unless they work with ALL streaming platforms, which feels like a hassle to be honest. selling tickets in-person is another solution, and I know Maggie Rogers did it with her latest tour, but the scale is much different there. stadiums are annoyingly far, and they would have to be able to accommodate tens of thousands of people waiting in line, which sounds chaotic. it would also exclude people who have jobs they can't leave to buy a ticket (but could do it online)—which some would say is elitist. TL;DR — there's really no winning for Taylor Swift as long as she is this popular and there's TikTok/social media fomo. unless she invents an entirely new & effective system for selling tickets, I guess.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Aug 10, 2023 17:01:05 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, TM is the worst but I am not sure what else can be done for this. The demand for these shows is INSANE. No matter how good/fair TM is there would still be hundreds of thousands of people who don't get to see her/buy tickets. Again, not defending TM at all, but there is just no possible way to meet the demand. TL;DR — there's really no winning for Taylor Swift as long as she is this popular and there's TikTok/social media fomo. unless she invents an entirely new & effective system for selling tickets, I guess. If you ask me, that’s what the reputation system was. If you so much as streamed the music video for LMYMMD on a constant loop, you would get boosted in line for tickets. The more things you did, the more you were boosted. That was revolutionary imo, as literally no ticket was scalped, or at least reported to have been. Every single ticket went to FANS. The only reason she didn’t keep it is because Ticketmaster forced her to abolish it, as they didn’t get to make any profit from scalped tickets.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 10, 2023 17:15:59 GMT -5
TL;DR — there's really no winning for Taylor Swift as long as she is this popular and there's TikTok/social media fomo. unless she invents an entirely new & effective system for selling tickets, I guess. If you ask me, that’s what the reputation system was. If you so much as streamed the music video for LMYMMD on a constant loop, you would get boosted in line for tickets. The more things you did, the more you were boosted. That was revolutionary imo, as literally no ticket was scalped, or at least reported to have been. Every single ticket went to FANS. The only reason she didn’t keep it is because Ticketmaster forced her to abolish it, as they didn’t get to make any profit from scalped tickets. I don't think that is entirely true. The Reputation Tour system was faulty because it prioritized "spending more money on Taylor" — not your level of fandom or anything. If you were not from a privileged background and were saving up for Taylor tickets, tough luck—best you could do was get a "minimum" boost from the music video (which had a 10 play/per day limit or something—so no constant loop) and joining email lists etc., which was ineffective because EVERYONE did those. the bigger boosts were buying the album and buying merch, and the more money you spent, the more priority you got. that was quite terrible all-around, actually, lol. and looked far more greedy on Taylor's part.
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Post by Taylor. on Aug 10, 2023 17:22:22 GMT -5
For the Reputation system I just streamed her videos constantly. Never bought a thing, I think back then I didn't even buy the album from her store. Was enough to get a code for Toronto!
Just checked and I bought my tickets on Tuesday 12/5 which was apparently the first presale window and when "the best" ticket were available.
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Post by Choco on Aug 10, 2023 17:32:35 GMT -5
Tbh she could do something like the show Dua Lipa did during the pandemic, sell it as a pay per view thing and it would not only sell amazingly but fans would eat it up. A digital show means no capacity restrictions.
With the caveat that an HD rip would be available about 10 seconds after it ended...
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Post by kimberly on Aug 10, 2023 17:51:32 GMT -5
For the Reputation system I just streamed her videos constantly. Never bought a thing, I think back then I didn't even buy the album from her store. Was enough to get a code for Toronto! Just checked and I bought my tickets on Tuesday 12/5 which was apparently the first presale window and when "the best" ticket were available. Well, maybe Toronto wasn't as in-demand for that tour. I remember not being able to get tickets with that system in Santa Clara despite buying the CD from her store. I did wait and bought solid tickets a few weeks before the show, iirc. I don't have that Ticketmaster account or email address anymore so I can't check, but I remember buying my ticket over spring break, when I think they must have released some more tickets (I don't believe it was a resale ticket). 🤷🏽♀️ Edit: also important is that the demand for her in 2017-18 was much, much lower than 2022-23. using that system now would make the problems with that system even more apparent. "if you didn't buy the vinyl clock, back of the line"
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Post by gbaby on Aug 11, 2023 9:38:31 GMT -5
Disappointed to have not even made wait list the first round, and then only wait list for next year's New Orleans shows. I do not understand the verified fan piece. The two people I know who managed to get tickets for this second round are both not fans, they each signed up "because they thought it was funny." How is that a verified fan?
I'm glad a friend took me with her to the Dallas show, but dang, just feels like the entire process is a shitshow.
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Post by born on Aug 13, 2023 5:13:15 GMT -5
What would your version of Midnights be? Reconstruct the original, 13-track album with your ideal picks and your ideal order.
After cutting all of my skips and also songs that don't bring anything new thematically, here's what I ended up with:
1. Lavender Haze 2. Maroon 3. Anti-Hero 4. Bigger Than The Whole Sky 5. You're On Your Own Kid 6. Bejeweled 7. Midnight Rain 8. Vigilante Shit 9. Snow On The Beach (feat. Lana Del Rey) 10. You’re Losing Me 11. Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve 12. Labyrinth 13. Hits Different
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Post by joshtheking on Aug 13, 2023 6:26:59 GMT -5
1. Lavender Haze 2. Maroon 3. Anti-Hero 4. The Great War 5. You're On Your Own, Kid 6. Midnight Rain 7. Bejeweled 8. Labyrinth 9. Karma 10. Would've, Could've, Should've 11. You're Losing Me 12. Hits Different 13. Mastermind
but it hurts cutting Bigger Than The Whole Sky, High Infidelity & Glitch
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Post by schnetzka on Aug 13, 2023 6:56:02 GMT -5
1. "Lavender Haze" 2. "Maroon" 3. "Anti-Hero" 4. "Karma" (solo version) 5. "Bigger Than the Whole Sky" 6. "Midnight Rain" 7. "Vigilante Shit" 8. "Glitch" 9. "Snow on the Beach" (More Lana Edition) 10. "You're on Your Own, Kid" 11. "Labyrinth" 12. "Hits Different" 13. "Mastermind"
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Post by musiclife on Aug 13, 2023 7:56:45 GMT -5
1. Lavender Haze 2. Hits Different 3. Midnight Rain 4. Anti Hero 5. Bigger Than The Whole Sky 6. You're On Your Own Kid 7. Karma (Solo) 8. Maroon 9. Vigilante Shit 10. Bejeweled 11. The Great War 12. Sweet Nothing 13. Mastermind
It hurts cutting any song to be honest. The only song till this day I can live without, although it's grown on me, is Labyrinth.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 13, 2023 16:12:41 GMT -5
1. Lavender Haze 2. Hits Different 3. Mastermind 4. Labyrinth 5. You're on Your Own, Kid 6. ...Question? 7. Snow on the Beach 8. The Great War 9. Sweet Nothing 10. Would've Could've Should've 11. Glitch 12. High Infidelity 13. Bigger Than the Whole Sky
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Post by soulfulwings on Aug 13, 2023 16:48:26 GMT -5
1. "Lavender Haze" 2. "Maroon" 3. "Anti-Hero" 4. "Bejeweled" 5. "High Infidelity" 6. "Would've, Could've, Should've" 7. "Karma" 8. "Paris" 9. "The Great War" 10. "Bigger Than The Whole Sky" 11. "Labyrinth" 12. "Hits Different" 13. "Mastermind"
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Post by Nick on Aug 13, 2023 17:13:36 GMT -5
I will need to think about this. I also feel the perfect album shouldn't have more than 10-12 tracks.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Aug 13, 2023 18:34:29 GMT -5
Very cool idea! My takeaways:
- The 1-2-3 punch of the first three tracks really is perfect. - I love putting Bejeweled earlier in the album. - I love Glitch and I’m not sorry. - It really hurts to lose Labryinth and High Infidelity.
1. Lavender Haze 2. Maroon 3. Anti-Hero 4. Bejeweled 5. You’re on Your Own, Kid 6. Vigilante Shit 7. Midnight Rain 8. Karma 9. Glitch 10. Hits Different 11. The Great War 12. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda 13. Mastermind
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Aug 13, 2023 18:38:39 GMT -5
These kinds of games are so difficult. I’ll have to think on the album as a whole and get back to this.
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Post by Choco on Aug 13, 2023 21:02:59 GMT -5
1. Lavender Haze 2. Midnight Rain 3. Anti-Hero 4. Maroon 5. YOYOK 6. WCS 7. The Great War 8. Hits Different 9. Bejeweled 10. High Infidelity 11. Snow on the Beach (More Lana) 12. Bigger than the Whole Sky 13. Karma
The Target bonus track could have been "Vigilante Shit"
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 14, 2023 11:11:19 GMT -5
Not some of y’all omitting ‘Bejeweled’ ☹️
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Post by austin on Aug 14, 2023 12:52:34 GMT -5
1 Lavendar Haze 2 Anti-Hero 3 Karma 4 Snow on the Beach (featuring Lana Del Ray) 5 Would've, Could've, Should've 6 High Infidelity 7 Paris 8 Maroon 9 Bejeweled 10 Bigger Than The Whole Sky 11 Hits Different 12 The Great War 13 You're On Your Own, Kid
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Post by God on Aug 14, 2023 13:28:36 GMT -5
If I had to do it all again, I wouldn't change a single thing!
Except maybe replace SOTB with the More Lana edition 🦧
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 14, 2023 16:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 14, 2023 17:21:46 GMT -5
1.) "Lavender Haze" 2.) "Maroon" 3.) "Anti-Hero" 4.) "Snow On The Beach (more Lana)" 5.) "Would've Could've Should've" 6.) "Midnight Rain" 7.) "Hits Different" 8.) "Vigilante Shit" 9.) "Bejeweled" 10.) "You're On Your Own Kid" 11.) "You're Losing Me" 12.) "Karma" 13.) "Mastermind"
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 14, 2023 23:29:36 GMT -5
1. Lavender Haze 2. The Great War 3. Paris 4. Anti-Hero 5. You're on Your Own, Kid 6. Karma 7. Midnight Rain 8. Question...? 9. Would've, Could've, Should've 10. Maroon 11. Snow on the Beach 12. Glitch 13. Mastermind
(3AM Edition) 14. Sweet Nothing 15. Hits Different 16. Bigger Than the Whole Sky 17. High Infidelity 18. Labyrinth 19. Bejeweled 20. Dear Reader
(Target Deluxe)/(Til Dawn Edition) 14/21. Vigilante Shit
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Post by Codex on Aug 15, 2023 11:12:35 GMT -5
Names should be linked to tickets and the buyer should be among the 1-4 purchased when attending so they can’t be resold. I’m okay with the random draw and people being randomly picked to go multiple times. I’m not okay with the fact that people are able to buy them only to immediately sell them online. Until they change that, Ticketmaster can go fuck themselves. That’s literally how they did it in Europe. It’s also illegal to resell above the merchant price anyway. It would take like 5 minutes to pass a similar law in the US 🫣
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Post by Active Aggressive on Aug 15, 2023 11:21:56 GMT -5
That pic of Taylor is so hot omg. Easily the best pic I have ever seen of her.
1. Dear Reader 2. Maroon 3. Anti-Hero 4. Snow On The Beach (Lana's Version) 5. You're Losing Me 6. YOYOK 7. Midnight Rain 8. Vigilante Shit 9. Karma (Ice's Version) 10. Bejeweled 11. Sweet Nothing 12. Mastermind 13. Labryinth
Target: 14. Hits Different (great song but does not fit the album sonically at all)
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Post by Taylor. on Aug 15, 2023 17:06:44 GMT -5
Wait listed again for the Avion sale, welp. We'll see if I'm able to find tickets in the next 14 months. Still waiting for Sunday shows to be announced.
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Post by thezatch on Aug 15, 2023 17:45:04 GMT -5
My friend was waitlisted for the Avion Toronto shows for he and I too. I guess I can only hope a really HQ/4K concert is uploaded to YouTube or Blondie comes to her senses and decides to release a tour film to theatres in time for Christmas 2024.
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Post by musiclife on Aug 15, 2023 22:39:40 GMT -5
Praying to get off the waitlist.
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