Billboard Hot 100: 11/12/2022

[kierz7]

Nov 6, 2022 16:35:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

I mean a song can be massive without spending 10+ weeks at #1 but for camp Swift I think the fact it already outpeaked all singles from her last four albums and will probably end up as her biggest radio hit in 5 years is a big win anyways.

As for Rih tbh in all four instances her song didn't really feel like the bigger hit. And PDR is well remembered even if it didn't hit #1.

I agree.

• “Pon De Replay” is still incredibly remembered and garners 500K+ daily streams on some days. As a matter of fact, most of the songs that were blocked by “We Belong Together” are still remembered and are iconic ie. ‘Pon De Replay, Don’t Cha, Oh!”.

• “Wild Thoughts” was blocked by a MONSTER but I think it defined Summer 2017 as much as “Despacito” did, not to mention that “Wild Thoughts” hit #1 in the U.K, Australia, France etc. It was definitely a popular, global hit and definitely more remembered than “I’m The One” for sure.

• I haven’t heard “Run This Town” in years and haven’t actively listened to it in years also.

• “Lift Me Up” is pure OST ballad candy and made with the intention of winning awards (despite its tribute sentiment), which it will do. It won’t stand the test of time in Rihanna’s catalogue at all, in my opinion. That said, I still like the song very much and she sounds fantastic.

[kindofbiased]

My friend said it best, I don't think Rihanna was going for a smash #1 hit with Lift Me Up. She was going for that Best Original Song Oscar. This is the type of song that wasn't really built to be listened to like other pop songs, it was built to hit really hard in Wakanda Forever and to get a ton of awards lol

[firefox]

[dynamac]

Wow even for a meme song Poland’s exit was FAST

[kierz7]

Nov 6, 2022 18:32:28 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

My friend said it best, I don't think Rihanna was going for a smash #1 hit with Lift Me Up. She was going for that Best Original Song Oscar. This is the type of song that wasn't really built to be listened to like other pop songs, it was built to hit really hard in Wakanda Forever and to get a ton of awards lol

That makes complete sense.

Variety and the New York Times just ranked “Lift Me Up” at #1 on their respective ‘Best Original Song’ contenders list.

That’s what she, her team and Disney were/are going for.

A #2 Hot 100-peaking Oscar-winning song might not be too bad. 🌚

[kindofbiased]

Nov 6, 2022 19:16:13 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Nov 6, 2022 18:32:28 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

My friend said it best, I don't think Rihanna was going for a smash #1 hit with Lift Me Up. She was going for that Best Original Song Oscar. This is the type of song that wasn't really built to be listened to like other pop songs, it was built to hit really hard in Wakanda Forever and to get a ton of awards lol

That makes complete sense.

Variety and the New York Times just ranked “Lift Me Up” at #1 on their respective ‘Best Original Song’ contenders list.

That’s what she, her team and Disney were/are going for.

A #2 Hot 100-peaking Oscar-winning song might not be too bad. 🌚

I think its got a really good shot of winning, I don't even know what competition it has this year

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I'm pretty sure Rihanna's label was going for a hit as well, hence the video, variations, releases, radio deal etc. They just overestimated the song. lol

[jenglisbe]

Nov 6, 2022 21:26:38 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm pretty sure Rihanna's label was going for a hit as well, hence the video, variations, releases, radio deal etc. They just overestimated the song. lol

Lol right. Not sure how anyone can claim they weren't going for a hit. An Oscar push might be part of the campaign, too, but it's clear they are seeking a hit as well.

[wavey.]

And there is nothing wrong it aiming for a hit, regardless of the sound. It's Rihanna lol.

[Choco]

I would also slow down the Oscar talk until all the contenders drop. Some obscure artsy film dropped on 6 theaters during Xmas week with a Diane Warren penned snooze sung by H.E.R. could be coming.

The early talk sets the song up for ridicule if it doesn't happen. Now if the film is an awards favorite it could take the song all the way.

[nathanalbright]

It is admittedly a bit unusual for Oscar bait to be released in November, but we'll see how the film turns out.

[wavey.]

The next one isn't til March right? Still has a chance at least imo. Came right on time with the movie dropping in Oscar consideration time as well. Why not? The song doesn't have to perform like "Shallow" did to not be considered.

[kierz7]

Nov 7, 2022 7:12:10 GMT -5 wavey. said:

The next one isn't til March right? Still has a chance at least imo. Came right on time with the movie dropping in Oscar consideration time as well. Why not? The song doesn't have to perform like "Shallow" did to not be considered.

The Oscar nominations will be revealed in January 2023 and official voting begins next month (December).

The awards ceremony will take place in March 2023.

Also, a song doesn’t have to be a hit, AT ALL, to be nominated for an Oscar. Sometimes that helps because it brings more attention to the song, in terms of general/public consciousness, but, like all award shows, it’s about networking, promoting and having support from your colleagues, voters and critics.

Of the last fifty years, the only decades whereby the majority of songs that won Oscars were major chart hits were the 1980’s and 2010’s, I believe. The 1990’s/2000’s were relatively low in that department.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

People actually liked Shallow though

[jenglisbe]

Nov 7, 2022 0:56:39 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

It is admittedly a bit unusual for Oscar bait to be released in November, but we'll see how the film turns out.

In terms of Best Picture they often aim contenders for the last month or so of the year, though we're already in the last stretch really. Regardless that is a lot less true in the Original Song category. Billie Eilish of course won this past Oscar, and that song was released all the way back in February of 2020 and the movie last September. The 2020/2021 was odd with Covid, but the year before a song from Rocketman won and that one was released in May. The year before that "Shallow" won, and its movie was released in October. So, if anything "Lift Me Up" is kind of a late release compared to the most recent winners.

[wavey.]

Well let's hope it's her favor! It'd be nice to have that acknowledgement/accolade for her career.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Nov 7, 2022 9:54:22 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Well let's hope it's her favor! It'd be nice to have that acknowledgement/accolade for her career.

Except this award is meant to honor a specific song, not a career. Besides, she doesn't have a string of soundtrack contributions to merit an achievement acknowledgement.

That said, *this* song + her vocals: definitely Oscar-worthy. A nomination is certain. Wins are political + marketing driven since Academy voters aren't musicians.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 7, 2022 10:40:37 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Nov 7, 2022 9:54:22 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Well let's hope it's her favor! It'd be nice to have that acknowledgement/accolade for her career.

Except this award is meant to honor a specific song, not a career. Besides, she doesn't have a string of soundtrack contributions to merit an achievement acknowledgement.

That said, *this* song + her vocals: definitely Oscar-worthy. A nomination is certain. Wins are political + marketing driven since Academy voters aren't musicians.

Well the producer and co-writer of the song is a previous Oscar winner, which will help. Additionally it might be that Original Song is a place voters feel they can acknowledge Black Panther 2 since the odds are it won't win Best Picture if only because it's not the type of film that ever really wins.

[iHype.]

Rihanna’s team was definitely hoping this would be a big hit lol.

There is no way in hell a song goes top 10 on radio in ONE week and the label wasn’t pushing for it to be a massive hit and expecting big numbers.

They were also aware of the comeback hype behind her name. Unfortunately, the issue is the song itself and they were probably expecting her name alone to make a hit rather than making sure she worked with hitmakers this time around.

Rihanna co-wrote the song with 2 people who have no ties to making mainstream hit music & Tems, who while she has a few hits doesn’t necessarily have some established track record of writing radio hits. Rihanna herself isn’t really a songwriter either and has never crafted a hit mostly on her own.

[kierz7]

Anyway…

[kierz7]

Are we getting the Hot 100/BB200 at the same time today?

I don’t think the BB200 has been updated thus far.

[kierz7]

Nov 7, 2022 10:50:40 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 7, 2022 10:40:37 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Except this award is meant to honor a specific song, not a career. Besides, she doesn't have a string of soundtrack contributions to merit an achievement acknowledgement.

That said, *this* song + her vocals: definitely Oscar-worthy. A nomination is certain. Wins are political + marketing driven since Academy voters aren't musicians.

Well the producer and co-writer of the song is a previous Oscar winner, which will help. Additionally it might be that Original Song is a place voters feel they can acknowledge Black Panther 2 since the odds are it won't win Best Picture if only because it's not the type of film that ever really wins.

Well, the first Black Panther film was the first superhero movie to be nominated for ‘Best Picture’.

Given the preliminary rave reviews, I can actually see the upcoming film winning that award this time around with Ryan Coogler also scoring a ‘Best Director’ nomination. If so then “Lift Me Up” is certainly a scoring a ‘Best Original Song’ nomination, with a high chance of it winning (although it’s anybody’s guess).

[nighttime]

Nov 7, 2022 0:02:11 GMT -5 Choco said:

I would also slow down the Oscar talk until all the contenders drop. Some obscure artsy film dropped on 6 theaters during Xmas week with a Diane Warren penned snooze sung by H.E.R. could be coming.

The early talk sets the song up for ridicule if it doesn't happen. Now if the film is an awards favorite it could take the song all the way.

Film awards are a bit different than music though - the studios have to aggressively campaign & directly tell the members they want to be considered. There's quite a bit of that in the music industry too, but it's a completely different ballpark in film & more blatant. In music, there seems to be a perception that awards happen more organically, whereas, while organic factors play into a film's chances...it's widely acknowledged that the win is owed to the campaign.

Anything from a big studio marvel film like this has to be pitched from the get-go as award material.

[nathanalbright]

Do we have any information for this chart week? I haven't seen anything yet myself on Twitter.

[renfield75]

Nov 7, 2022 7:31:29 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Nov 7, 2022 7:12:10 GMT -5 wavey. said:

The next one isn't til March right? Still has a chance at least imo. Came right on time with the movie dropping in Oscar consideration time as well. Why not? The song doesn't have to perform like "Shallow" did to not be considered.

The Oscar nominations will be revealed in January 2023 and official voting begins next month (December).

The awards ceremony will take place in March 2023.

Also, a song doesn’t have to be a hit, AT ALL, to be nominated for an Oscar. Sometimes that helps because it brings more attention to the song, in terms of general/public consciousness, but, like all award shows, it’s about networking, promoting and having support from your colleagues, voters and critics.

Of the last fifty years, the only decades whereby the majority of songs that won Oscars were major chart hits were the 1980’s and 2010’s, I believe. The 1990’s/2000’s were relatively low in that department.

1984 was the peak year...it remains the only time in history that all 5 Best Song nominees were also number one hits on the Hot 100 ("Ghostbusters", "Against All Odds", "Footloose", "Let's Hear It For The Boy", and the winner "I Just Called To Say I Love You"). Surprisingly, none of Prince's songs from Purple Rain were nominated but he did win an Oscar for 'Best Original Song Score'.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 7, 2022 14:06:43 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Nov 7, 2022 7:31:29 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

The Oscar nominations will be revealed in January 2023 and official voting begins next month (December).

The awards ceremony will take place in March 2023.

Also, a song doesn’t have to be a hit, AT ALL, to be nominated for an Oscar. Sometimes that helps because it brings more attention to the song, in terms of general/public consciousness, but, like all award shows, it’s about networking, promoting and having support from your colleagues, voters and critics.

Of the last fifty years, the only decades whereby the majority of songs that won Oscars were major chart hits were the 1980’s and 2010’s, I believe. The 1990’s/2000’s were relatively low in that department.

1984 was the peak year...it remains the only time in history that all 5 Best Song nominees were also number one hits on the Hot 100 ("Ghostbusters", "Against All Odds", "Footloose", "Let's Hear It For The Boy", and the winner "I Just Called To Say I Love You"). Surprisingly, none of Prince's songs from Purple Rain were nominated but he did win an Oscar for 'Best Original Song Score'.

I will add for kierz7, though, that the 1990s had plenty of winners that were hits (Beauty and the Beast, A Whole New World, Streets of Philadelphia, Can You Feel the Love Tonight, Colors of the Wind, and My Heart Will Go On were all top 10 hits). Even winners like You Must Love Me and When You Believe were top 20 hits. Additionally plenty of the nominees in the 1990s were hit, too, from Every I Do to I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing to I Have Nothing and so on.

[badrobot]

Do we think the airplay switch is causing some last-minute formula tweaking? Normally we'd have a top ten by now, right?

[iHype.]

If the chart is coming late the week they are incorporating new data then ofcourse the likely reason is reviewing of everything.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 7, 2022 15:29:21 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Do we think the airplay switch is causing some last-minute formula tweaking? Normally we'd have a top ten by now, right?

This is possible for sure, but considering the Billboard 200 news came later than usual, it also seems they're behind in general.

[85la]

Yep, either that, or possibly the race between Rihanna and Taylor is closer than expected and they're re-running the numbers, not exactly sure what's going on.