Billboard Hot 100: 11/19/2022

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the best ANTI version song

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Nov 10, 2022 21:38:06 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

the best ANTI version song

Taste. The Andrelli dance remix slaps  

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Guys, stop saying things in reference to Drake that aren’t praise or otherwise positive!

[jayhawk1117]

Nov 10, 2022 20:54:36 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Nov 10, 2022 20:41:57 GMT -5 mms82 said:

can you post a citation? 

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=333425

so them being shocked (like everyone else) is the only scoop here. The entire rest is speculation. “Taylor and her can’t be too happy” Do they… know this… for certain?

[85la]

Nov 10, 2022 21:29:42 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 10, 2022 21:19:16 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^^Those remixes definitely helped Unholy edge Bad Habits the week it finally got to #1 at the Hot 100.

We all know these well-timed remixes have become a common thing. Some people don't care at all/accept it the way it is, some people don't mind as long as it's for a very specific week to finally push a song to #1, and some people are bothered by all of it in general. Everyone has a right to their view. As I've already posted, I think Swift (and maybe a few others) get more criticism than others because they do it so often and for so many weeks. Swift (or even Rihanna) doing it one specific week to nab a #1 feels a bit cheap but is also understandable. Doing it week after week feels excessive and even desperate to some, including me. (And let's be real, if this was all "for the fans" there would be remixes and different single covers of all the songs on Swift's albums and not just for the current single battling for #1 or, as in the case of release week, the singles battling to make the top 10. It is what it is and people are free to like it, but let's at least be honest about what is going on.)

Well, I guess you could argue that it could be for the fans as well as also releasing them at strategic times to help their chart positions while they're at it.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Anyway, as long as the chart rules allow these types of loopholes, artists and their labels will continue to exploit them.

[ddlz]

HDD is probably right. Two superstars, on the same roster, big egos...tensions will rise. Imagine Kendrick announcing his new album a day after SZA dropped her album. Record labels usually make sure their superstars don't release so close to each other.

But these gimmicks are all Billboard's fault. They keep leaving the system open to manipulation.

[85la]

Someone else brought up a rule change that I think would be a decent idea, that remixes released too late in the tracking week (I would say after Saturday or Sunday at the latest) would not count until the following week's chart.

[iHype.]

All of this only shows that sales need to further be reduced in the formula.

She only released all these versions because the *sales* (not streams or airplay) would be enough to make a notable impact.

Nobody buys digital singles in 2022. Hit singles are selling less than 5k a week now. Anytime a superstar even sells 25k or 50k there’s usually some fan base repetitive buying.

Splitting sales impact in half would only hurt repetitive buying. Hit songs are now selling 3K a week now. There wouldn’t have been any incentives in releasing all these remixes if the sales would’ve been largely weighed down and not made such a detrimental difference.

Like 0.0001% of the population is buying individual songs at this point let alone thrown together versions on artist web stores.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 11/08/22

Drake and 21 Savage - HER LOSS
1(=) Rich Flex 2,864,808 (-124,837)
3(=) Major Distribution 1,889,229 (-199,767)
4(=) Pussy & Millions 1,789,950 (-149,485)
5(=) On BS 1,538,181 (-202,774)
6(=) Spit Bout U 1,378,953 (-156,698)
8(-1) Circo Loco 1,332,185 (-183,289)
9(-1) Privileged Rappers 1,325,238 (-188,915)
13(-2) Broke Boys 1,190,352 (-139,342)
15(-3) BackOutsideBoyz 1,166,979 (-156,132)
21(-2) Hours In Silence 985,594 (-148,932)
27(=) Jumbotron Shit Poppin 868,035 (-81,648)
29(-3) Treacherous Twins 831,004 (-126,200)
32(-4) Middle of the Ocean 813,196  (-130,913)
35(-5) More M's 783,859 (-107,678)
45(-4) I Guess It's Fuck Me 599,520 (-85,766)
55(-9) 3AM on Glenwood 517,716 (-81,748)
Total Streams: 19,874,799 (-10%)

Taylor Swift - Midnights
2(=) Anti-Hero 2,116,556 (-116,050)
7(+3) Midnight Rain 1,338,040 (-34,380)
10(-1) Lavender Haze 1,310,800 (-68,957)
14(+1) Maroon 1,184,586 (-58,858)
16(=) Karma 1,156,504 (-54,645)
17(=) You're On Your Own, Kid 1,112,610 (-46,841)
18(=) Bejeweled 1,097,432 (-46,172)
19(+1) Snow on the Beach 1,058,338 (-51,705)
24(-1) Vigilante Shit 932,498 (-46,312)
25(=) Question...? 911,183 (-47,653)
30(+1) Mastermind 829,384 (-42,024)
36(=) Labyrinth 758,446 (-37,936)
38(=) Sweet Nothing 729,840 (-36,106)
40(=) Would've, Could've, Should've 672,512 (-35,516)
52(=) The Great War 535,430 (-22,984)
56(-2) Bigger Than The Whole Sky 512,875 (-24,375)
57(-1) Paris 503,049 (-24,703)
63(-2) High Infidelity 461,640 (-21,030)
79(-7) Glitch 411,307 (-19,434)
88(-4) Dear Reader 377,106 (-16,862)
Total Streams: 18,010,136 (-5%)

Joji - SMITHEREENS
20(+1) Die For You 995,651 (-31,331)
39(-2) Glimpse Of Us 711,801 (-66,172)
97(-19) Feeling Like The End 361,026 (-56,286)
114(-27) Before The Day is Over 330,019 (-54,615)
122(-28) 1AM FREESTYLE 317,418 (-48,392)
131(-26) YUKON (INTERLUDE) 310,177 (-42,114)
132(-30) NIGHT RIDER 309,386 (-49,485)
149(-37) Dissolve 285,414 (-49,565)
Total Streams: 3,620,892 (-16%)

Others:
11(+2) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 1,292,386 (-16,041)
12(+2) Sam Smith, Kim Petras - Unholy 1,216,361 (-37,421)
22(+2) d4vd - Romantic Homicide 969,248 (+2,787)
23(-1) Lil Uzi Vert - Just Wanna Rock 966,221 (-31,883)
26(+3) SZA - Shirt 903,818 (+9,879)
28(+4) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 850,564 (-4,667)
31(+2) JVKE - golden hour 815,481 (-18,258)
33(+1) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 808,116 (-19,832)
34(+1) Harry Styles - As It Was 791,921 (+9,899)
37(+2) The Weeknd - Die For You 757,705 (+15,844)
41(+1) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 649,832 (-1,107)
42(+1) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 617,094 (+10,374)
44(+1) The Neighbourhood - Sweater Weather 607,487 (+3,367)
47(-3) David Guetta, Bebe Rexha - I'm Good (Blue) 585,042 (-20,296)
48(+2) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 571,499 (+2,931)
49(-1) OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried 564,996-581,473 (-16,477)
50(+3) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 556,743 (+16,658)
51(=) Meghan Trainor - Made You Look 542,882 (-22,411)
53(+2) Chris Brown - Under the Influence 532,640 (-542)
54(+3) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 518,171 (-6,201)
58(=) Nicki Minaj - Super Freaky Girl 497,041 (-18,352)
59(=) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 490,913 (-8,350)
60(+3) Hotel Ugly - Shut up My Moms Calling 488,839 (+17,316)
61(-1) Beyoncé - CUFF IT 481,356 (-13,710)
62(=) Omar Apollo - Evergreen 477,930 (-2,869)
64(=) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 461,374 (-2,008)
65(+3) Steve Lacy - Static 454,889 (+859)
66(+5) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 445,162 (+8,820)
67(-1) Juice WRLD - In My Head 438,281 (-16,065)
69(-4) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 436,512 (-24,578)
71(-4) Rihanna - Lift Me Up 430,427 (-23,856)
72(+2) Arctic Monkeys - 505 427,760 (+4,770)
76(-3) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 416,324 (-11,830)
77(+13) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 415,113 (+40,268)
78(-2) Doja Cat - Vegas 413,422 (-8,078)
80(+2) Manuel Turizo - La Bachata 405,669 (+592)
81(-4) Oliver Tree, Robin Schulz - Miss You 404,112 (-14,212)
83(+2) Kanye West - Bound 2 396,386 (+4,598)
84(+5) The Weeknd, Lana Del Rey - Stargirl Interlude 391,588 (+15,640)
85(-2) Selena Gomez - My Mind & Me 390,096 (-13,946)
86(+15) J. Cole - Wet Dreamz 379,803 (+20,741)
89(+7) Kendrick Lamar, Jay Rock - Money Trees 374,822 (+10,699)
90(-2) Drake, 21 Savage, Project Pat - Knife Talk 374,065 (-7,816)
91(-5) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 373,262 (-11,914)
92(=) Cigarettes After Sex - Apocalypse 372,816 (+2,859)
93(+4) Childish Gambino - Me and Your Mama 371,119 (+9,615)
94(+9) Baby Keem - HONEST 369,727 (+14,104)
95(=) d4vd - Here With Me 366,611 (+1,631)
96(+12) Tory Lanez - The Color Violet 361,130 (+15,533)
98(+2) GloRilla, Cardi B - Tomorrow 2 358,563 (-1,216)

101(+10) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 352,218 (+12,422)
102(+2) Lil Baby - Freestyle 350,291 (-4,998)
103(+4) Grupo Frontera - No Se Va 350,228 (+2,530)
105(-14) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 347,822 (-23,462)
106(+4) Beach Weather - Sex, Drugs, Etc. 347,519 (+6,558)
110(-1) Ski Mask the Slump God - OOGA BOOGA! 339,627 (-2,364)
111(+11) Arctic Monkeys - I Wanna Be Yours 337,365 (+11,644)
113(+4) Billie Eilish - TV 330,553 (+42)
118(+10) Cole Swindell - She Had Me At Heads Carolina 320,599 (+5,931)
120(-5) Lil Yachty - Poland 319,562 (-13,125)
121(+5) Future - Solo 318,470 (+2,917)
123(-3) Lil Nas X - STAR WALKIN' 316,275 (-12,958)
124(+5) Joji - SLOW DANCING IN THE DARK 315,099 (+2,198)
127(+12) Isabel LaRosa - i'm yours 312,814 (+11,007)
129(+16) Brent Faiyaz - ALL MINE 310,865 (+17,223)
130(+2) ThxSoMch - SPIT IN MY FACE 310,617 (+3,365)
133(-8) Lil Baby - California Breeze 308,502 (-7,853)
134(+6) The Weeknd, Gesaffelstein - I Was Never There 308,170 (+7,180)
135(-5) Tom Odell - Another Love 308,064 (-1,476)
137(+10) Frank Ocean - Sure Thing 305,269 (+18,469)
138(+4) 21 Savage - ball w/o you 301,839 (+4,476)
142(-6) Rema, Selena Gomez - Calm Down 296,657 (-7,255)
143(+1) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 294,276 (+127)
151(-8) Armani White - BILLIE EILISH. 284,225 (-11,412)
152(+2) Bad Bunny - Neverita 283,628 (+4,702)
154(-2) Ivan Cornejo, Eslabon Armado - La Curiosidad 282,013 (+2,523)
157(-2) Coldplay - Sparks 279,904 (+1,065)
158(-23) hemlocke springs - girlfriend 278,657 (-25,424)
159(+2) Ivan Cornejo - J. 277,227 (+1,282)
160(-2) Liana Flores - rises the moon 277,191 (-77)
164(+7) Kenshi Yonezu - KICK BACK 274,271 (+4,503)
167(-8) Bizarap, Quevedo - Quevedo: Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 52 273,004 (-3,395)
171(+8) Zach Bryan - Heading South 269,565 (+4,564)
175(+12) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 267,818 (+7,048)
176(-4) Tyler Childers - All Your'n 266,394 (-2,616)
181(=) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall in Love 264,532 (+759)
183(+2) Tyler Hubbard - 5 Foot 9 262,896 (+1,451)
184(-8) Shakira, Ozuna - Monotonía 262,880 (-3,833)
187(re-entry) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 261,230
192(+5) Cults - Gilded Lily 258,395 (+3,921)
193(-5) Mr.Kitty - After Dark 258,332 (-1,809)

Top 10 Without Drake
1. Anti-Hero
2. Midnight Rain
3. Lavender Haze
4. Bad Habit
5. Unholy
6. Maroon
7. Karma
8. You're On Your Own, Kid
9. Bejeweled
10. Snow On the Beach

Top 10 Without Drake, or Taylor Swift
1. Bad Habit
2. Unholy
3. Die For You (Joji)
4. Romantic Homicide
5. Just Wanna Rock
6. Shirt
7. Jimmy Cooks
8. golden hour
9. Something in the Orange
10. As It Was

[firefox]

[Music Fan]

Taylor is worse than BTS, now. I said it. Fight me if you want, idc.

[shayonce]

[lazer]

It doesn't matter if it's from Taylor Swift or BTS, this practice should be called out.

[JukeboxJacob]

I've been saying remove sales from the Hot 100 formula for years now

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2022 1:18:28 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

Taylor is worse than BTS, now. I said it. Fight me if you want, idc.

We don't think that's even slightly exaggerative? A slew of remixes to pad her lead's #1 run by a week as it simultaneously tops streaming (nearly) and downloads is worse than a select group of BTS fans orchestrating and stockpiling money and crowdfunding a consorted effort weekly for *months and months* to keep a song at the summit of the Hot 100 that would otherwise be nowhere close to the top 10? Can't help but feel we have some hyperbolic sentiments in there. By all means if she is pulling these stunts continuously over the next 7 weeks let's start comparing, but no one has come close to that. That was one situation where the charts felt truly hijacked and held hostage. lol It was crazy.

On a side note, I think if any metric needs to be less weighted it's radio (as I think it is most easily manipulated). IMO.

[thegreatdivine]

Girl, you're a Swiftie lol. She already has 9 versions of Anti-Hero out and the song was released just 3 weeks ago. You will never see anything wrong with what she's doing because you're a fan and that's okay. Just don't be surprised if people put her and BTS in the same boat because at the end of the day, it's all manipulation and that's what they'll see and everybody won't be okay with it. Doesn't mean they hate Taylor, it just means they aren't down with what she's doing.

It's probably even worse coming from her because her song is an actual smash and is doing well on radio/streaming and will be spending multiple weeks at #1 regardless of how many times it gets knocked down from the top position.

BTS fans supported in the ways they knew they could to have BTS be successful on the Hot 100 (which is really the only place they hadn't seen solid success in the US) but Taylor already (finally) has substantial Hot 100 success from this album but still feels the need to do all this other extra sh*t to hold on to the #1 spot.

A true hit will always return back to its rightful place on the charts. Nice for What returned to #1 four separate times. As It Was did it five separate times, I believe. Maybe Taylor thinks once her song leaves the #1 spot, it'll never return and that's a reason for all these remixes.

Either way, it's all good. There will be more Drake songs that go #1 in the future if Rich Flex doesn't and congratulations to Taylor for scoring a hit with Anti-Hero. That's my time.

[kimberly]

Nov 11, 2022 2:26:29 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

You will never see anything wrong with what she's doing because you're a fan and that's okay.

not the pot calling the kettle black

I think what Taylor's doing would have been just as bad as the BTS "Butter" fiasco had Billboard still allowed 4 copies per each version. I also don't know/follow stan twitter enough to know if Swifties are organizing international funds to pump money into US downloads like the BTS Army was doing.

so my verdict is that Taylor Swift is actively engaging in the exact tactics BTS were using, but Swifties are restricted by the new rule and are less organized/have less incentive to organize, because "Anti-Hero" (or any of her other recent number-ones) is a hit regardless of sales. and unlike BTS, whose fans are mostly non-American, Taylor is a domestic act here with a massive organic fan/listener base.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2022 2:26:29 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Girl, you're a Swiftie lol. She already has 9 versions of Anti-Hero out and the song was released just 3 weeks ago. You will never see anything wrong with what she's doing because you're a fan and that's okay.

And you're a hater and Drake stan? Ya know so long as we are being passively dismissive and invalidating from the jump based purely off of a supposed inability to be unbiased.

I have spoken out publicly on this forum *several* times on my distaste for things Taylor has done. Remixes included (particularly with "Willow"), even saying these remixes were excessive. You can be a huge fan and still be capable of an objective thought (as I wouldnt find the two situations the same even if it weren't Taylor and were A vs B artist) so I don't know where you are coming from. Admittedly they both utilize chart manipulation, I never argued otherwise, but IMO there are scales to everything in life. Everything isn't black and white etc.

Either way, it's all good. There will be more Drake songs that go #1 in the future if Rich Flex doesn't and congratulations to Taylor for scoring a hit with Anti-Hero. That's my time.

Annnnnnnd we wind it all back around to Drake just in time to close out the statement. lol

[Future Captain]

Honestly I feel like they released the Bleachers remix with the intention of just guaranteeing Anti-Hero in the top 10 so she keep the record for blacking out the top 10. But then the sales turns out to be big enough to challenge #1 and they figure out to might as well go all out since Drake is most likely the only threat remaining until Christmas unless something from Black Panther broke out in a massive way.

[joshtheking]

don’t you just love pulse when drake/taylor drop albums

[kacpi]

Well, at least something interesting is happening 💀 ngl I was getting bored with these 6 pages in total weekly BH100 discussions on Pulse when literally no one was releasing music or making impact on the charts

[Fanstar1]

Still wild to me that Anti-Hero is likely to get the biggest sales week on the hot 100 since Permission To Dance in the summer of 2021, which was before the sales rule change to make mass-buying more difficult that happened a few months after that.

[Fanstar1]

Nov 11, 2022 3:13:34 GMT -5 Fanstar1 said:

Still wild to me that Anti-Hero is likely to get the biggest sales week on the hot 100 since Permission To Dance in the summer of 2021, which was before the sales rule change to make mass-buying more difficult that happened a few months after that.

I think Rich Flex will still probably take the #1 thanks to its massive Apple Music margin, but this could be legitimately close-rung.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2022 3:13:34 GMT -5 Fanstar1 said:

Still wild to me that Anti-Hero is likely to get the biggest sales week on the hot 100 since Permission To Dance in the summer of 2021, which was before the sales rule change to make mass-buying more difficult that happened a few months after that.

Yeah I don't get why it's even challenging the #1 this week? Like she wasn't even selling this much with her leads a few years ago, but remixes are breaking sales weeks for the year? Very odd.

[Fanstar1]

Nov 11, 2022 3:16:57 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Nov 11, 2022 3:13:34 GMT -5 Fanstar1 said:

Still wild to me that Anti-Hero is likely to get the biggest sales week on the hot 100 since Permission To Dance in the summer of 2021, which was before the sales rule change to make mass-buying more difficult that happened a few months after that.

Yeah I don't get why it's even challenging the #1 this week? Like she wasn't even selling this much with her leads a few years ago, but remixes are breaking sales weeks for the year? Very odd.

To Be Fair this is the most stability a Taylor lead single has had at or near the top of the hot 100 since I think Reputation era honestly. Anti-Hero had the biggest point debut of 2022, and it had probably the strongest second week for any song in 2022 also when it held #1. It remains extremely strong on streaming and is already top 10 on radio after just three weeks.

[kimberly]

Nov 11, 2022 3:16:57 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Nov 11, 2022 3:13:34 GMT -5 Fanstar1 said:

Still wild to me that Anti-Hero is likely to get the biggest sales week on the hot 100 since Permission To Dance in the summer of 2021, which was before the sales rule change to make mass-buying more difficult that happened a few months after that.

Yeah I don't get why it's even challenging the #1 this week? Like she wasn't even selling this much with her leads a few years ago, but remixes are breaking sales weeks for the year? Very odd.

these remixes have been marketed as "web store exclusives" at initial release, so buying them was the only (legal) way to listen to them. I do not recall that being the case for her previous remixes (except maybe "All Too Well" had a live recording for purchase on her web store or something?)

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Nov 11, 2022 3:22:45 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Nov 11, 2022 3:16:57 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Yeah I don't get why it's even challenging the #1 this week? Like she wasn't even selling this much with her leads a few years ago, but remixes are breaking sales weeks for the year? Very odd.

these remixes have been marketed as "web store exclusives" at initial release, so buying them was the only (legal) way to listen to them. I do not recall that being the case for her previous remixes (except maybe "All Too Well" had a live recording for purchase on her web store or something?)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh and there is the missing link. Thank you. Makes more sense to me now.

She learns fast. lol

[Fanstar1]

Nov 11, 2022 3:22:45 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Nov 11, 2022 3:16:57 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Yeah I don't get why it's even challenging the #1 this week? Like she wasn't even selling this much with her leads a few years ago, but remixes are breaking sales weeks for the year? Very odd.

these remixes have been marketed as "web store exclusives" at initial release, so buying them was the only (legal) way to listen to them. I do not recall that being the case for her previous remixes (except maybe "All Too Well" had a live recording for purchase on her web store or something?)

This has become a somewhat common practice in 2022 to drive up sales. I remember The Queens Remix of BREAK MY SOUL by Beyonce was a temporary exclusive on her website, helping the song stay number 1 for a 2nd week on the hot 100.

[kimberly]

Nov 11, 2022 3:25:52 GMT -5 Fanstar1 said:

Nov 11, 2022 3:22:45 GMT -5 kimberly said:

these remixes have been marketed as "web store exclusives" at initial release, so buying them was the only (legal) way to listen to them. I do not recall that being the case for her previous remixes (except maybe "All Too Well" had a live recording for purchase on her web store or something?)

This has become a somewhat common practice in 2022 to drive up sales. I remember The Queens Remix of BREAK MY SOUL by Beyonce was a temporary exclusive on her website, helping the song stay number 1 for a 2nd week on the hot 100.

yes, I've already made mention of this in the thread earlier:

Nov 7, 2022 16:27:22 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Nov 7, 2022 16:22:56 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

If she really wanted to stay at #1 she could have gotten someone more appealing than Jack, lol. I shan’t be paying for that.

yeah she's trying to pull a "Break My Soul (The Queens Remix)" web store exclusive but instead of Madonna, you get Jack Anton Off (who already worked on the song anyway)

Anti-Hero ft. Katy Perry would have made everyone COLLAPSE