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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 11, 2022 17:33:22 GMT -5
Both acts engaged in activities to manipulate the charts for a desired chart position. The end. Didnβt Drake postpone his album for a desired chart position? No. The person in charge of mixing/mastering the album got COVID while finishing the album. That's why it was delayed. Not everyone is as obsessed about chart placements as Taylor.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 11, 2022 17:43:33 GMT -5
Didnβt Drake postpone his album for a desired chart position? No. The person in charge of mixing/mastering the album got COVID while finishing the album. That's why it was delayed. Not everyone is as obsessed about chart placements as Taylor. are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does?
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 11, 2022 17:47:41 GMT -5
No. The person in charge of mixing/mastering the album got COVID while finishing the album. That's why it was delayed. Not everyone is as obsessed about chart placements as Taylor. are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does? Albums not quite being mastered until a short time before release probably happens way more often than you might expect. Personally I'd rather take what Drake stated relating to the project's delay at face value than insinuate something like what you are implying when there really isn't much to back it up.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 11, 2022 17:55:39 GMT -5
Some of y'all still this bothered by marketing tactics? Every act has the opportunity and means to do whatever they like to boost their music on the charts. As always, some labels/acts are just into it more and, therefore, reap the benefits. This is not new. Whether it was regular deep discounting of singles or tacking another act on to an existing single to get a one-week chart boost- just two examples. Literally no one denied other acts can do it, and literally no one said it's new.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 11, 2022 17:57:27 GMT -5
That user is obviously very pro-Drake usually but Drake got blocked by Kenny Chesneyβs album in 2020 by 10K and didnβt do any bundles, bonus tracks, discount, etc to attempt to come out on top. He literally let it happen.
We *literally* just saw him do absolutely nothing this week and get blocked at #2 by Anti-Hero. Lol.
Thus I donβt get why yβall truly believe he would push his album back in order to not get blocked. He has shown with that he really doesnβt do much to get a #1, if it doesnβt go his way then it doesnβt.
I also donβt think heβd use his his immuno-compromised friend being sick as an excuse to lie about an album pushback.
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Post by s9983 on Nov 11, 2022 17:57:58 GMT -5
Remixes have been used to manipulate the charts for decades. Why are people so pressed? Discounted singles/maxi-singles full of remixes timed perfectly to coincide with radio peaks. Releasing completely reworked songs and labeling them as remixes to get a multi-format advantage. Adding a feature or a rapper to a third or fourth single to entice people to buy a single late into an album campaign. All are manipulative chart tactics and they all depend on whether fans or stans are willing to purchase them or not. So do I think what Taylor is doing is tacky? Eh. It's definitely obvious and unneeded. But nobody has made a convincing case for eliminating sales from the formula IMO. I think the changes Billboard made with the BTS issue are enough. And as a huge fan of remixes, I wish more artists would release them (and quite frankly the Roosevelt remix > album version). Although releasing a digital remix EP all at once would probably be the less egregious way to do it, lol. Remixes have definitely been used as a tactic to boost chart performance but it's all about the difference in magnitude of increase from before and now. Now big artists can drop remixes and in taylors case, have the remix contribute to like almost 50% of it's chart performance. Same with nicki, BTS, ariana (im assuming) etc. The loopholes and measures taken to essentially inflate these sales numbers is a very big difference to the impact remixes would have before. Billboard should definitely limit versions of a song that can count towards it's chart performance and honestly just abolish website sales. Artists releasing 3 versions of one song (explicit, clean and instrumental) plays a big role in those sales inflation. Why are website sales even a thing when there's a good 5-7 platforms where else you can buy it from? Just a cheap tactic to increase sales and it needs to go. Unfortunate though because billboard has definitely been trying to tackle this sales issue and every time they think it's going to work, the fans go and find loopholes lmao. I'm sure it'll happen again unless they come up w/ something concrete and big.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 11, 2022 17:59:26 GMT -5
are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does? Albums not quite being mastered until a short time before release probably happens way more often than you might expect. Personally I'd rather take what Drake stated relating to the project's delay at face value than insinuate something like what you are implying when there really isn't much to back it up. This. Plus, as has been said, Drake's total would have been #1 that week anyway. Additionally Drake hasn't released music videos, remixes, physical versions, whatever to ensure #1 so it doesn't seem like this is anything he cares too much about. If he was truly looking to ensure #1, he would have done other things as well. There is no evidence he does anything to ensure a #1.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 11, 2022 18:03:38 GMT -5
I just saw the Queen of Christmas *organically (manipulated)* CBS into televising a 2-hour special Dec 20., with plenty of replays on sister channels. Clearly itβs a *desperate* strategy designed to guarantee AIWFCIY is #1 through more sales (since only old folk stuck in iTunes era watch network TV). The is all designed to in response to streaming being diluted due to MB audiences being higher. MC is so much *better* than BTS, Taylor, etc. Oh, the Special will be an perfect bookend to the Halloween morph Itβs Time, the daily QofC articles, etc and itβs only Veterans Day! For the record there's been no data that shows performances help holiday songs on the Hot 100. Most of the top holiday songs are by dead or retired artists, so clearly performances aren't needed. Mariah herself hasn't even performed "AIWFCIY" the last several years when it's been hitting #1 (apart from her Apple special). I'm not saying Mariah and her team don't want the song to keep hitting #1 as they surely do, I'm just saying this special isn't a sign of it. Hell, they've never even discounted "AIWFCIY" on iTunes to help boost sales. The one time they employed a 'trick' to help it was when they released those cassette singles and such back in 2019.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 11, 2022 18:15:22 GMT -5
are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does? Albums not quite being mastered until a short time before release probably happens way more often than you might expect. Personally I'd rather take what Drake stated relating to the project's delay at face value than insinuate something like what you are implying when there really isn't much to back it up. I don't think realistically any big artist would be able to announce a release date for an album that hadn't finished being mixed and mastered, less than a week out. big releases need to be uploaded to streaming services in advance, too, so that album must have been mixed, sent to Drake and 21 for approval already by the time they announced it. I've met Noah aka "40" (Drake's producer that allegedly got covid) and let's just say he loves gloating commercial success... so I don't buy the "Drake doesn't care about charts" narrative either lmao. my speculation would be that Republic negotiated with Drake to release a week later for a better commercial performance after seeing his surprise announcement. Drake and Taylor are on the same label and postponing it a week was a decision that benefitted both of them.
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 11, 2022 18:18:17 GMT -5
Albums not quite being mastered until a short time before release probably happens way more often than you might expect. Personally I'd rather take what Drake stated relating to the project's delay at face value than insinuate something like what you are implying when there really isn't much to back it up. I don't think realistically any big artist would be able to announce a release date for an album that hadn't finished being mixed and mastered, less than a week out. big releases need to be uploaded to streaming services in advance, too, so that album must have been mixed, sent to Drake and 21 for approval already by the time they announced it. I've met Noah aka "40" (Drake's producer that allegedly got covid) and let's just say he loves gloating commercial success... so I don't buy the "Drake doesn't care about charts" narrative either lmao. my speculation would be that Republic negotiated with Drake to release a week later for a better commercial performance after seeing his surprise announcement. Drake and Taylor are on the same label and postponing it a week was a decision that benefitted both of them. To my knowledge Taylor and Drake (through OVO) have distribution deals with Republic, but are pretty free in terms of stuff like setting release dates and the like.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 11, 2022 18:21:40 GMT -5
Albums not quite being mastered until a short time before release probably happens way more often than you might expect. Personally I'd rather take what Drake stated relating to the project's delay at face value than insinuate something like what you are implying when there really isn't much to back it up. I don't think realistically any big artist would be able to announce a release date for an album that hadn't finished being mixed and mastered, less than a week out. big releases need to be uploaded to streaming services in advance, too, so that album must have been mixed, sent to Drake and 21 for approval already by the time they announced it. I've met Noah aka "40" (Drake's producer that allegedly got covid) and let's just say he loves gloating commercial success... so I don't buy the "Drake doesn't care about charts" narrative either lmao. my speculation would be that Republic negotiated with Drake to release a week later for a better commercial performance after seeing his surprise announcement. Drake and Taylor are on the same label and postponing it a week was a decision that benefitted both of them. Kanye has announced plenty of release dates and music that he is working on with nothing near finish in sight lol. Nicki was on Queen Radio in 2018 during the release night with a label executive explaining how the album would be released a few hours later than midnight because the label received the final version too late. It actually happens pretty commonly and Drake is the type to do stuff with no type of plan. He also posted various times on social media they were in the studio finishing up Scorpion & CLB *after* the dates were announced. 4 days before CLB: That is 40, sitting down, mixing and mastering the album. You can send music out to streaming services in a matter or an hour before release. Thatβs not something that has to be done days out.
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Post by kimberly on Nov 11, 2022 18:22:53 GMT -5
I don't think realistically any big artist would be able to announce a release date for an album that hadn't finished being mixed and mastered, less than a week out. big releases need to be uploaded to streaming services in advance, too, so that album must have been mixed, sent to Drake and 21 for approval already by the time they announced it. I've met Noah aka "40" (Drake's producer that allegedly got covid) and let's just say he loves gloating commercial success... so I don't buy the "Drake doesn't care about charts" narrative either lmao. my speculation would be that Republic negotiated with Drake to release a week later for a better commercial performance after seeing his surprise announcement. Drake and Taylor are on the same label and postponing it a week was a decision that benefitted both of them. To my knowledge Taylor and Drake (through OVO) have distribution deals with Republic, but are pretty free in terms of stuff like setting release dates and the like. I'm not an expert about contracts and haven't seen Drake's or Taylor's, but wouldn't release dates and handling when/how things go up on streaming platforms et cetera be a part of "distribution"? Drake/OVO turn in a finished project, and Republic handles the rest?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 11, 2022 18:27:31 GMT -5
No. The person in charge of mixing/mastering the album got COVID while finishing the album. That's why it was delayed. Not everyone is as obsessed about chart placements as Taylor. are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does? Why would Drake lie about his friend (who has MS) having COVID? Drake drops whenever he wants to. The problem is some of you (and I don't mean YOU in particular) are desperate to believe Drake operates the way a typical pop girlie does when he never has. There are several instances spread across Drake's career where he could have gotten a #1 album or a #1 single or gotten a hit record if he only played the game and pushed for it but he never did. He keeps showing that he doesn't care about charts nearly as much as y'all seem to think and yet people fail to see that. All that man does is drop music and go about his way. It's a running complaint amongst Drake fans how little he cares about pushing/promoting his music. Drake works on ALL his projects till the last minute, whether that means he's still writing/recording till the last minute or its still being mixed/mastered till the last minute. Him announcing a release date in no way means the album is already set to go. That's what you don't seem to understand. Honestly, Nevermind, CLB, Scorpion, DLDT were all being worked on in some capacity till the last minute. Her Loss was sent to DSPs less than 12 hours before it dropped because it was still being mixed/mastered. I don't know what else to tell you but you can believe he pushed his album back to duck Taylor if that works better for you.
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Post by firefox on Nov 11, 2022 18:28:12 GMT -5
Congrats to Anti-Hero's third* week at #1.
If this happens the other way around, I'll get mad as hell too. So I do get the frustrations.
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 11, 2022 18:31:15 GMT -5
Can you imagine the carnage if Drake and Taylor and their stans joined forces. I don't think the world is ready for that. probably wonβt happen anymore Bad Blood pt. 2
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 11, 2022 18:58:18 GMT -5
Why would Drake lie about his friend (who has MS) having COVID? Drake drops whenever he wants to. The problem is some of you (and I don't mean YOU in particular) are desperate to believe Drake operates the way a typical pop girlie does when he never has. There are several instances spread across Drake's career where he could have gotten a #1 album or a #1 single or gotten a hit record if he only played the game and pushed for it but he never did. He keeps showing that he doesn't care about charts nearly as much as y'all seem to think and yet people fail to see that. All that man does is drop music and go about his way. It's a running complaint amongst Drake fans how little he cares about pushing/promoting his music.Drake works on ALL his projects till the last minute, whether that means he's still writing/recording till the last minute or its still being mixed/mastered till the last minute. Him announcing a release date in no way means the album is already set to go. That's what you don't seem to understand. Honestly, Nevermind, CLB, Scorpion, DLDT were all being worked on in some capacity till the last minute. Her Loss was sent to DSPs less than 12 hours before it dropped because it was still being mixed/mastered. I don't know what else to tell you but you can believe he pushed his album back to duck Taylor if that works better for you. so what Iβm gathering is that Drake fans are jealous that Taylor is actually promoting her music unlike their fave Of course, that's what you're gonna get from that entire post. And no, no Drake fan wants to see him resort to desperation levels that would have him releasing several aimless remixes to hold on to a #1 position, however, they wouldn't mind an interview here, a late night TV/award show performance there, a music video here, a radio push there.
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Nov 11, 2022 19:03:19 GMT -5
Biggest sales week of the decade!!! I keep hearing this decade line being used with emphasis, as if we aren't just 2 years into it. lol I suppose biggest sales week of the decade sounds a lot more monumental than biggest sales week of the last two years. Technically it's true, but just feels disingenuous. Reminds me of when Mariah hit #1 with "AIWFCIY" the last literal week of, what was it, like 2019 into the first week of 2020 or something and with two singular weeks went from having #1s (hits) in 2 decades to having #1 hits in 4 decades. lol
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 11, 2022 19:14:47 GMT -5
People are saying remixes are being used to game the chart. Itβs always been done. Okay? Cool? What does that have to do with actually providing a response to whether itβs gaming and whether action should be taken. Maybe the point was that since itβs always been done, maybe itβs part of the whole chart process in the first place. We want to see the chart as a true measure of popularity (and believe me, I wish it was) but thereβs literally no way for all songs to have even playing ground. Thereβs always been pushes in some form from artists or labels to get songs to perform better - whether itβs remixes and discounts, to promotional tv appearances and videos, to whatever else can be done to get audiences to buy/stream/consume songs. So while we get riled up over various situations, the idea might actually be that all of these are built into what makes the chart in the first place. Maybe itβs less around whatβs most popular and most around what gets audiences (us) to respond and consume.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 11, 2022 19:22:39 GMT -5
so what Iβm gathering is that Drake fans are jealous that Taylor is actually promoting her music unlike their fave Of course, that's what you're gonna get from that entire post. And no, no Drake fan wants to see him resort to desperation levels that would have him releasing several aimless remixes to hold on to a #1 position, however, they wouldn't mind an interview here, a late night TV/award show performance there, a music video here, a radio push there. Drake doesnβt care about chart stats and stuff but you admit that you care about his chart performance though, right?
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Post by Angel on Nov 11, 2022 19:30:01 GMT -5
Not a 1:1 comparison because there were months between the announcement and release... and I'm no Drake stan by any stretch but I think it's actually fairly common for albums to be announced before they are finished... ARTPOP for example was announced in July 2013 and here is a photo of Gaga in the studio in mid September from when she was still working on Venus
It is weird to me though that there was originally only a week or so between announcement and release for Her Loss so I understand the scepticism. At the same time I know this has kind of become the norm for him to work on his music up through the day before release.
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Nov 11, 2022 19:46:03 GMT -5
Not a 1:1 comparison because there were months between the announcement and release... and I'm no Drake stan by any stretch but I think it's actually fairly common for albums to be announced before they are finished... ARTPOP for example was announced in July 2013 and here is a photo of Gaga in the studio in mid September from when she was still working on Venus It is weird to me though that there was originally only a week or so between announcement and release for Her Loss so I understand the scepticism. At the same time I know this has kind of become the norm for him to work on his music up through the day before release. Β for a second I thought sheβs back with a new album π³
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Post by m450n on Nov 11, 2022 19:58:24 GMT -5
are we really buying that they announced a release date for an album that was yet to be finished, though? do you not have an ounce of skepticism towards anything Drake does? Why would Drake lie about his friend (who has MS) having COVID? Drake drops whenever he wants to. The problem is some of you (and I don't mean YOU in particular) are desperate to believe Drake operates the way a typical pop girlie does when he never has. There are several instances spread across Drake's career where he could have gotten a #1 album or a #1 single or gotten a hit record if he only played the game and pushed for it but he never did. He keeps showing that he doesn't care about charts nearly as much as y'all seem to think and yet people fail to see that. All that man does is drop music and go about his way. It's a running complaint amongst Drake fans how little he cares about pushing/promoting his music. Drake works on ALL his projects till the last minute, whether that means he's still writing/recording till the last minute or its still being mixed/mastered till the last minute. Him announcing a release date in no way means the album is already set to go. That's what you don't seem to understand. Honestly, Nevermind, CLB, Scorpion, DLDT were all being worked on in some capacity till the last minute. Her Loss was sent to DSPs less than 12 hours before it dropped because it was still being mixed/mastered. I don't know what else to tell you but you can believe he pushed his album back to duck Taylor if that works better for you. Didn't he post shady tweets about Kenny Chesney because his album went #1 due to bundles (during a time when tour bundles were extremely common, mind you)?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 11, 2022 20:04:14 GMT -5
m450n Drake hasn't run his Twitter account since 2015. It's been run by his manager since then and only makes official posts. The only social media account he runs himself is his Instagram account.
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Post by jjunie on Nov 11, 2022 20:05:18 GMT -5
selling 280k digital copies is insane especially in the streaming era... how did she even do that? π΅ so anti-hero would be on 600-700 points if thats true?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 11, 2022 20:05:59 GMT -5
Rose "Payola" Nylund I'm a chart watcher, of course I care. What does this have to do with anything?
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 11, 2022 20:10:42 GMT -5
Why would Drake lie about his friend (who has MS) having COVID? Drake drops whenever he wants to. The problem is some of you (and I don't mean YOU in particular) are desperate to believe Drake operates the way a typical pop girlie does when he never has. There are several instances spread across Drake's career where he could have gotten a #1 album or a #1 single or gotten a hit record if he only played the game and pushed for it but he never did. He keeps showing that he doesn't care about charts nearly as much as y'all seem to think and yet people fail to see that. All that man does is drop music and go about his way. It's a running complaint amongst Drake fans how little he cares about pushing/promoting his music. Drake works on ALL his projects till the last minute, whether that means he's still writing/recording till the last minute or its still being mixed/mastered till the last minute. Him announcing a release date in no way means the album is already set to go. That's what you don't seem to understand. Honestly, Nevermind, CLB, Scorpion, DLDT were all being worked on in some capacity till the last minute. Her Loss was sent to DSPs less than 12 hours before it dropped because it was still being mixed/mastered. I don't know what else to tell you but you can believe he pushed his album back to duck Taylor if that works better for you. Didn't he post shady tweets about Kenny Chesney because his album went #1 due to bundles (during a time when tour bundles were extremely common, mind you)? The Kenny Chesney example is pretty egregious because nearly all of his sales were from tour bundles (for a tour that was cancelled pretty soon after thanks to COVID also). Dark Lane Demo Tapes was clearly the more popular of the two albums in terms of consumption. Billboard would eventually go on to change their rules relating to bundles later in 2020, effectively ending the era of albums and singles going to #1 thanks to a boost in sales from Bundles.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 11, 2022 20:23:13 GMT -5
Biggest sales week of the decade!!! I keep hearing this decade line being used with emphasis, as if we aren't just 2 years into it. lol I suppose biggest sales week of the decade sounds a lot more monumental than biggest sales week of the last two years. Technically it's true, but just feels disingenuous. Reminds me of when Mariah hit #1 with "AIWFCIY" the last literal week of, what was it, like 2019 into the first week of 2020 or something and with two singular weeks went from having #1s (hits) in 2 decades to having #1 hits in 4 decades. lol If true, Anti-Hero would have the biggest digital song sales week since Look What You Made Me Do. Also, it looks like its third week points in the Hot 100 will end up being higher than those of its first week.
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Post by David on Nov 11, 2022 20:38:46 GMT -5
Taylor does a lot for her fans and consistently puts out quality music, etc. I bought the remixes because she obviously cares about getting another week @ #1. She's incredibly good to her fans so we got her back. Sorry if I contributed to the problem, LOL.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 11, 2022 20:44:48 GMT -5
Rose "Payola" Nylund I'm a chart watcher, of course I care. What does this have to do with anything? You keep mentioning how Drake doesnβt care about charts and everything so why does it matter if Taylor or anyone else pulls out all the tricks to cheat their way to a number one? If his albums reach the equivalent of 300k and his singles stream the equivalent of whatever impressive number they do, theyβll reach those marks whether Taylor/other artist does less or more. Ultimately, itβs only Billboard who determines whether something is β#1β or not based on what they track and how they tabulate, so if he doesnβt care and he gets his coin either way, is it something that should matter to you as a fan? It just seems strange to me how frequently you say that with Drake itβs only about the music when clearly you donβt feel the same way. Do you genuinely like him because of his music, and/or his persona/personality, or do you like him because of how easily he can rule the charts with each release he puts out?
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Post by jayromeo19 on Nov 11, 2022 20:57:42 GMT -5
To assume Drake doesnβt care about charts is disingenuous. To assume he cares as much as Taylor Swift does is also disingenuous.
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