Billboard Hot 100: 12/10/2022

[Hervard]

...discontinued their Mainstream Top 40 chart? I'd read that they were switching to Mediabase in December, but I cannot find info about this chart at all, plus the BDS site has apparently stopped posting their charts. Any info would be appreciated, even in PM, if need be.

[Cerebro]

The chart still exists. It's called Pop Airplay on the Billboard site.
www.billboard.com/charts/pop-songs/

[Hervard]

Nov 28, 2022 11:12:29 GMT -5 Cerebro said:

The chart still exists. It's called Pop Airplay on the Billboard site.
www.billboard.com/charts/pop-songs/

Thank you so much! I assume that the "Star" awards represent bullets?

Also - what date did BB Start naming the chart Pop Airplay?

[joshtheking]

Nov 27, 2022 9:38:03 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Nov 27, 2022 9:32:54 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Anyone know why Die For You got a huge gain on Kworb, it went up 9M in audience today.

It's showing up on the rhythmic radio chart again. It must've been recurrent/gold due to charting there years ago.

That would explain why it's been placing higher on Radio Songs chart despite showing lower on Kworb

[Enigma.]

+63% on a Sunday

[kimberly]

Nov 28, 2022 13:17:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

+63% on a Sunday

very much irrelevant to the Hot 100 (so far)

[85la]

Nov 28, 2022 13:17:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

+63% on a Sunday

I might be missing something obvious, but is there a specific reason why this is resurging?

[Enigma.]

There's a viral TikTok clip from Wednesday scene (Netflix) that features the song prominently. The song is not included in the series itself.

[enwhy]

Weekly Global TikTok Update, November 28

Another quiet week. Meghan Trainor continues to dominate the Global Chart, with "No" making an appearance as well. A few debuts but nothing making much noise on Spotify - TikTok isn't having much impact on streaming right now.

Rank		Song	Artist	Vids	US Sptfy
3	+1	MADE YOU LOOK	MEGHAN TRAINOR	47k	37	-6
4	+2	ALL I WANT FOR CHIRSTMAS IS YOU	MARIAH CAREY	46k	3	+7
5	+3	LA LA LA / WAKA WAKA	SHAKIRA	28k	-
15	-2	UNHOLY	SAM SMITH & KIM PETRAS	15k	9	-5
16	NE	LOLLIPOP	LIL WAYNE	14k	-
20	NE	6000 DEGREES	$HYFROMDATRE	11k	-
23	NE	FALL IN LOVE ALONE	STACEY RYAN	9k	-
29	+27	ROCKIN' AROUND THE CHRISTMAS TREE	BRENDA LEE	8k	2	+6
31	NE	NO	MEGHAN TRAINOR	8k	-
37	-16	JUST WANNA ROCK	LIL UZI VERT	6k	8	-2
40	NE	LIFT ME UP	RIHANNA	6k	104	-40
53	-34	PSYCHO KILLER	TALKING HEADS	5k	-

Source: tokchart.com/
*TikTok & Spotify +/- is based on 7-day change.



Weekly US TikTok Update, November 28

The big story is up-and-coming 23-year old female rapper 4hyfromdatre breaking out with her latest single, "6000 Degrees." Time will tell if it makes a big splash on streaming - no sign of it on Apple Music or Spotify yet. Lollipop continues to trend. And Taylor Swift's "cardigan" makes an appearance! 
Interestingly, "Made You Look" is NOT in the US top 10...seems like the trend is lasting longer in other countries.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Clg5eP7szEs

[Au$tin]

Not Meghan Trainor having another song go viral on TikTok! (Thankfully this time with one of her best songs, "NO.") We really about to see a complete revival of her career?

[HamedM1 💔]

Ok but if Bloody Mary actually somehow became a hit that would be iconic, still have yet to watch Wednesday but if it fails to serve up the same energy as the Addams Family films from the 90s I'm not interested.

[otaviohmg]

December's Top Chart Run be like: All I Want For Christmas It's Me, Hi I'm The Christmas It's Me

Edit: omg my joke accidentally manifesting

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 11/27/22

Top 10 Without Christmas Songs
1(=) Drake, 21 Savage - Rich Flex 1,478,348 (-102.683)
4(-1) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 1,165,771 (-46,069)
6(=) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 1,028,857 (-13,085)
8(+1) Lil Uzi Vert - Just Wanna Rock 868,833 (-43,887)
9(-1) Sam Smith, Kim Petras - Unholy 862,805 (-54,443)
14(=) d4vd - Romantic Homicide 753,399 (+3,464)
15(+1) JVKE - golden hour 714,354 (-6,357)
16(-1) Taylor Swift - Lavender Haze 714,218 (-21,521)
18(-1) Taylor Swift - Midnight Rain 704,272 (-14,575)
20(=) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 649,636 (-7,353)

Christmas Songs
2(=) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 1,465,721 (+41,695)
3(+1) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 1,197,391 (-11,065)
5(=) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 1,158,628 (+1,177)
7(=) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 942,479 (+6,792)
10(=) Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 859,307 (+3,677)
11(=) Wham! - Last Christmas 851,166 (+2,310)
12(=) Burl Ives - A Holly Jolly Christmas 850,099 (+17,271)
13(=) Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 802,397 (+4,268)
17(+1) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 707,646 (+17,145)
19(=) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 682,398 (+14,339)

22(+1) José Feliciano - Feliz Navidad 629,934  (+6,848)
23(+3) Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song 625,609 (+15,101)
26(+3) Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 604,240 (+9,745)
27(+1) Michael Bublé - Holly Jolly Christmas 597,864 (-2,935)
28(+3) The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride 595,675 (+7,139)
34(+6) Perry Como, The Fontane Sisters, Mitchell Ayres & His Orchestra - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas 546,520 (+17,771)
44(+2) Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 496,195 (+11,665)
46(+2) Elvis Presley - Blue Christmas 485,381 (+9,985)
49(+4) Mykola Dmytrovych Leontovych, John Williams - Carol of the Bells 476,873 (+14,705)
50(+4) The Beach Boys - Little Saint Nick 463,251 (+11,467)
53(+9) Frank Sinatra - Jingle Bells 454,407 (+21,771)
55(+8) Vince Guaraldi Trio - Christmas Time is Here 449,369 (+17,475)
59(+2) Chuck Berry - Run Rudolph Run 439,690 (+4,788)
60(+4) Bing Crosby - Winter Wonderland 439,105 (+8,380)
61(-3) Justin Bieber - Mistletoe 438,097 (-2,793)
65(=) Nat King Cole - Deck the Halls 428,081 (-686)
66(+6) Eartha Kitt, Henri René and His Orchestra - Santa Baby 427,411 (+12,927)
68(+3) The Jackson 5 - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town 417,850 (+2,964)
70(+4) Frank Sinatra, The B. Swanson Quartet - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 413,954 (+1,728)
71(-2) Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime 406,147 (-13,255)
73(+3) Andy Williams - Happy Holiday / The Holiday Season 401,475 (+9,078)
79(+3) Frank Sinatra - Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 378,136 (-1,344)
80(+10) Bing Crosby, The Andrews Sisters - Mele Kalikimaka 376,425 (+13,349)
84(+4) Mariah Carey - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 365,455 (-171)
86(+11) *NSYNC - Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays 356,642 (+14,801)
89(+4) Bruce Spingsteen - Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town 355,725 (+3,848)
98(+7) Burl Ives - Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer 340,725 (+10,992)
100(+2) Dean Martin - Baby, It's Cold Outside 329,924 (-2,227)
102(+4) Nat King Cole - Joy to the World 328,032 (+6,065)
114(-2) Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? 306,641 (-5,548)
119(+8) Gwen Stefani, Black Shelton - You Make It Feel Like Christmas 299,995 (+8,701)
120(-1) John Lennon, Yoko Ono - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 299,834 (-5,171)
124(+7) Perry Como - (There's No Place Like) Home for the Holidays 296,357 (+7,106)
126(-5) Elvis Presley - Here Comes Santa Claus (Right Down Santa Claus Lane) 293,429 (-9,344)
137(-5) Sia - Snowman 282,056 (-7,146)
144(+16) Bing Crosby - Do You Here What I Hear? 276,996 (+9,587)
150(+24) Judy Garland - Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 273,832 (+16,148)
152(+16) Carpenters - Merry Christmas Darling 273,336 (+13,293)
154(+9) Gene Autry - Here Comes Santa Claus (Right Down Santa Claus Lane) 272,911 (+6,748)
155(+16) Vince Guaraldi Trio - O Tannenbaum 270,625 (+11,877)
159(-2) Eagles - Please Come Home for Christmas 269,260 (-83)
169(+6) The Jackson 5 - I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus 257,611 (+1,909)
179(+15) Britney Spears - My Only Wish (This Year) 251,328 (+10,824)
184(re-entry) Taylor Swift - Christmas Tree Farm 245,194
189(re-entry) Nat King Cole - Caroling, Caroling 241,256
196(re-entry) Bing Crosby, Carol Richards - Silver Bells 237,206
200(re-entry) Frank Sinatra - Mistletoe And Holly 233,229

Taylor Swift - Midnights
25(=) Maroon 607,447 (-11,285)
29(-2) Karma 589,989 (-12,617)
31(+1) You're On Your Own, Kid 583,508 (-3,787)
32(+1) Bejeweled 563,126 (-17,280)
38(+1) Snow on the Beach 521,226 (-8,723)
51(-2) Vigilante Shit 460,769 (-11,905)
63(-3) Question...? 430,978 (-8,532)
69(+1) Mastermind 415,704 (-2,349)
82(+2) Would've, Could've, Should've 374,901 (+1,757)
85(+4) Labyrinth 362,082 (-3,379)
91(+1) Sweet Nothing 355,325 (-1,476)
105(+10) The Great War 323,911 (+13,074)
149(+3) Paris 274,124 (+1,650)
176(+7) Bigger Than The Whole Sky 253,772 (+3,162)
Total Streams: 8,701,123 (-2%)

Others:
21(=) The Weeknd - Die For You 648,501 (+3,294)
24(-2) Harry Styles - As It Was 614,921 (-21,284)
30(-6) Drake, 21 Savage, Travis Scott - Pussy & Millions 584,935 (-37,064)
33(-3) Drake, 21 Savage - Jimmy Cooks 560,674 (-33,508)
35(-1) Bad Bunny - Tití Me Preguntó 546,320 (-25,216)
36(+6) The Neighbourhood - Weather 538,763 (+11,034)
37(=) Meghan Trainor - Made You Look 528,546-536,209 (-7,663)
40(-5) Drake, 21 Savage - Major Distribution 513,308 (-43,,934)
41(+3) SZA - Shirt 499,355 (-6,379)
42(-4) Drake, 21 Savage - On BS 498,120 (-37,318)
43(=) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 496,244 (-29,737)
45(-4) David Guetta, Bebe Rexha - I'm Good (Blue) 494,024 (-34,700)
47(=) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 484,064 (+7,592)
48(-3) J. Cole - No Role Modelz 477,241 (-10,827)
54(-2) Chris Brown - Under the Influence 451,269 (-12,424)
56(-1) Stephen Sanchez - Until I Found You 446,308 (-3,129)
57(-1) Joji - Die For You 441,915 (-6,191)
58(+9) d4vd - Here With Me 441,600 (+15,160)
62(-11) Drake, 21 Savage - Spin Bout U 436,391 (-28,308)
72(-13) Drake, 21 Savage - Circo Loco 403,902 (-36,390)
74(-8) Beyoncé - CUFF IT 399,914 (-26,742)
75(-2) Post Malone, Doja Cat - I Like You (A Happier Song) 398,971 (-13,664)
76(-8) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 394,650 (-24,994)
77(+3) Hotel Ugly - Shut up My Moms Calling 386,772 (+3,703)
78(+8) Arctic Monkeys - 505 381,257 (+13,653)
81(-4) Nicki Minaj - Super Freaky Girl 375,282 (-16,008)
87(-8) Drake, 21 Savage - Broke Boys 356,626 (-30,328)
88(-1) Bailey Zimmerman - Rock and A Hard Place 355,909 (-11,667)
92(+12) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 353,802 (+23,768)
93(+1) Tory Lanez - The Color Violet 352,191 (+3,033)
94(-13) Quavo, Takeoff - HOTEL LOBBY (Unc & Phew) 350,696 (-29,402)
94(-12) Drake, 21 Savage - Privileged Rappers 347,172 (-27,535)
96(+2) Omar Apollo - Evergreen 345,869 (+9,918)
97(-6) Manuel Turizo - La Bachata 343,726 (-16,552)
99(-4) Oliver Tree, Robin Schulz - Miss You 338,779 (-9,567)

104(-5) Rihanna - Lift Me Up 324,975 (-9,759)
108(+9) The Weeknd, Lana Del Rey - Stargirl Interlude 317,644 (+10,310)
109(+5) Steve Lacy - Static 313,030-311,244 (+1,786)
110(+1) ThxSoMch - SPIT IN MY FACE! 308,866 (-6,887)
115(+3) Kendrick Lamar, Jay Rock - Money Trees 305,164 (-653)
117(+16) Cigarettes After Sex - Apocalypse 301,612 (+13,400)
121(+9) Arctic Monkeys - I Wanna Be Yours 299,510 (+10,077)
122(-6) Grupo Frontera - No Se Va 298,867 (-8,543)
123(-13) GloRilla, Cardi B - Tomorrow 2 296,972 (-19,485)
125(+15) Brent Faiyaz - ALL MINE 294,479 (+13,872)
127(-3) Eminem - Mockingbird 290,992 (-2,512)
128(-19) Drake - BackOutsideBoyz 290,937 (-27,384)
129(-3) J. Cole - Wet Dreamz 290,616 (-1,209)
130(-2) Freddie Dredd - Limbo 289,391 (-1,115)
131(-11) Lil Baby - Freestyle 289,239 (-14,543)
135(+3) Childish Gambino - Me and Your Mama 285,646 (+1,941)
136(+12) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 284,546 (+10,934)
138(+1) Baby Keem - HONEST 281,916 (+1,083)
142(+16) Tom Odell - Another Love 278,244 (+9,780)
147(+9) Beach Weather - Sex, Drugs, Etc. 274,912 (+5,264)
153(-9) Morgan Wallen - Thought You Should Know 273,232 (-5,303)
156(-2) Miguel - Sure Thing 270,311 (-1,779)
157(+21) Billie Eilish - TV 269,417 (+15,293)
161(+12) The Weeknd, Gesaffelstein - I Was Never There 265,767 (+8,067)
165(+16) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 259,877 (+8,644)
166(-19) Pharrell Williams, Travis Scott - Down in Atlanta 259,792 (-14,144)
174(-12) Rema, Selena Gomez - Calm Down 254,759 (-11,668)
177(-8) Future - Solo 253,324 (-6,540)
181(+3) Zach Bryan - Heading South 249,753 (+613)
186(+3) Tyler Childers - All Your'n 243,175 (-341)
190(+1) Tyler Childers - Feathered Indians 240,390 (-2,088)
193(re-entry) Cults - Gilded Lily 239,129
194(re-entry) Liana Flores - rises the moon 238,637

[Enigma.]

COMING whether you like it or not

[imbuemyblue]

Nov 28, 2022 8:48:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yeah I think "RATCT" will overtake "AIWFCIY" on the Hot 100 for at least one week this year. "Jingle Bell Rock" may do so as well. Their Spotify playlisting is really good, and they've pulled away from "AIWFCIY" more and more on Spotify each year. "AIWFCIY" does better basically everywhere else and has held them off, but since the gap is already starting this year and we're not even in December, I think that Spotify gap will be huge by Christmas.

Will be interesting to see if Mariah's team does anything to prevent this. TBF, why shouldn't she get better play listing? You know she wants to break the all time record (and I damn well want her to, too).

[dremolus - solarpunk]

[jenglisbe]

Nov 29, 2022 9:09:58 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

Nov 28, 2022 8:48:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yeah I think "RATCT" will overtake "AIWFCIY" on the Hot 100 for at least one week this year. "Jingle Bell Rock" may do so as well. Their Spotify playlisting is really good, and they've pulled away from "AIWFCIY" more and more on Spotify each year. "AIWFCIY" does better basically everywhere else and has held them off, but since the gap is already starting this year and we're not even in December, I think that Spotify gap will be huge by Christmas.

Will be interesting to see if Mariah's team does anything to prevent this. TBF, why shouldn't she get better play listing? You know she wants to break the all time record (and I damn well want her to, too).

I think "AIWFCIY" has good playlisting, too, but some of the older songs (i.e. pre-1990s) are on 'classic' playlists that "AIWFCIY" is too new for; the main example is the 'Christmas Classics' playlists that has millions of listeners and is the most popular holiday playlist on Spotify. ("RATCT" is the first song on that playlist, whereas "AIWFCIY" is too new to be on it.) "RATCT" is then also on the 'Christmas Pop' and 'Christmas Hits' playlists so it's on all of the popular playlists. There is a 'Happy Holidays' playlist that's decently popular, but the first song on that one is a Michael Buble song. "RATCT" is the fourth song on it, while "AIWFCIY" is down as song 18. I don't know how much trickery there is (or isn't) with getting songs higher up on playlists as obviously the first few songs are going to get the most plays. I'd like to think Spotify uses data to determine positions, but I'm sure there are some label politics involved too ugh (I say that meaning I wouldn't want any song to benefit from trickery).

[Ling-Ling]

Argh, it's gonna suck watching "Die For You" and "Cuff It" blocked from the top 10 by Christmas music. Hopefully they can hold on through to the new year.

[Fears in the Fire]

This is the most boring chart time of the year. It was fun to see AIWFCIY hit #1 the first time but Christmas songs NEED to be banned from the Hot 100 NOW

[jayhawk1117]

Nov 29, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Argh, it's gonna suck watching "Die For You" and "Cuff It" blocked from the top 10 by Christmas music. Hopefully they can hold on through to the new year.

Cuff It is likely to still make it. It’s airplay is still very strong and surely a video is coming…. Right Beyoncé

[thegreatdivine]

Nov 29, 2022 10:36:28 GMT -5 Fears in the Fire said:

This is the most boring chart time of the year. It was fun to see AIWFCIY hit #1 the first time but Christmas songs NEED to be banned from the Hot 100 NOW

This. It's already becoming tiring seeing the charts get flooded with Christmas music for 5-7 weeks with the same songs/albums returning to #1, entering the top 10. Very boring time as a chart watcher, I must say.

[Ling-Ling]

Nov 29, 2022 10:40:32 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Nov 29, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Argh, it's gonna suck watching "Die For You" and "Cuff It" blocked from the top 10 by Christmas music. Hopefully they can hold on through to the new year.

Cuff It is likely to still make it. It’s airplay is still very strong and surely a video is coming…. Right Beyoncé

My only fear is that she doesn't have much more room to grow at her core formats (R&B, Urban and Rhythmic). Which is gonna leave Pop and HAC to take up the slack and they don't seem as enthusiastic about the song. I can see it stalling at both and getting lost among the holiday shuffle. And unless it's streaming picks back up, barring a video or some digital remixes, it may miss it's opportunity in December.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2022 » / « 11 » / « 29 »

1(=) Sam Smith & Kim Petras - Unholy 84.01(+1.25)
2(=) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 77.48(+0.47)
3(=) Steve Lacy - Bad Habit 68.28(-0.27)
4(=) David Guetta & Bebe Rexha - I'm Good (Blue) 66.99(+1.41)
5(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 62.91(-0.31)
6(=) Post Malone - I Like You .. f/Doja Cat 60.24(-0.40)
7(=) Nicki Minaj - Super Freaky Girl 59.19(+0.14)
8(=) Doja Cat - Vegas (From the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack ELVIS) 56.87(-0.25)
9(=) The Weeknd - Die For You 56.13(+0.31)

10(=) Beyoncé - CUFF IT 55.85(+1.55)

25(+1) Bailey Zimmerman - Fall In Love 36.69(+0.93)

49(+1) Meghan Trainor - Made You Look 23.31(+0.84)

100(+8) Michael Buble - Let It Snow! (10th Anniversary) 10.88(+1.19)

[kalmanta]

Nov 29, 2022 11:15:21 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Nov 29, 2022 10:40:32 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Cuff It is likely to still make it. It’s airplay is still very strong and surely a video is coming…. Right Beyoncé

My only fear is that she doesn't have much more room to grow at her core formats (R&B, Urban and Rhythmic). Which is gonna leave Pop and HAC to take up the slack and they don't seem as enthusiastic about the song. I can see it stalling at both and getting lost among the holiday shuffle. And unless it's streaming picks back up, barring a video or some digital remixes, it may miss it's opportunity in December.

Its peak on urban stations is still weeks away, and I don’t think they’ll drop it right away, unless it’s being pulled from radio like BMS. It also has a somewhat festive vibe, I can see it perform very well around the holidays. About the video, well, at this point I don’t think we‘re gonna get it this year anymore.

[Music Fan]

Nov 29, 2022 10:42:41 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Nov 29, 2022 10:36:28 GMT -5 Fears in the Fire said:

This is the most boring chart time of the year. It was fun to see AIWFCIY hit #1 the first time but Christmas songs NEED to be banned from the Hot 100 NOW

This. It's already becoming tiring seeing the charts get flooded with Christmas music for 5-7 weeks with the same songs/albums returning to #1, entering the top 10. Very boring time as a chart watcher, I must say.

I've always seen the Hot 100 and BB200 as what's popular now but also "new." Clearly with streaming, what's popular now could be something from decades ago. I think Billboard should still allow songs within a 5 year span of being released (like "Die for You" by the Weeknd) to chart with its current formula, but not songs that are older than that (including Christmas songs). I think an exception should be made for situations like "Running Up the Hill" which was actually pushed again in 2022 rather than it just being a streaming hit for a few weeks.

[explicit]

Nov 29, 2022 13:10:00 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

Nov 29, 2022 10:42:41 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

This. It's already becoming tiring seeing the charts get flooded with Christmas music for 5-7 weeks with the same songs/albums returning to #1, entering the top 10. Very boring time as a chart watcher, I must say.

I've always seen the Hot 100 and BB200 as what's popular now but also "new." Clearly with streaming, what's popular now could be something from decades ago. I think Billboard should still allow songs within a 5 year span of being released (like "Die for You" by the Weeknd) to chart with its current formula, but not songs that are older than that (including Christmas songs). I think an exception should be made for situations like "Running Up the Hill" which was actually pushed again in 2022 rather than it just being a streaming hit for a few weeks.

So if a 6 year old song surges in streams, it will be banned from the chart. If a 5 YO song does it, it will be allowed.

How random rule that would be.

[Music Fan]

Nov 29, 2022 13:16:23 GMT -5 explicit said:

Nov 29, 2022 13:10:00 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

I've always seen the Hot 100 and BB200 as what's popular now but also "new." Clearly with streaming, what's popular now could be something from decades ago. I think Billboard should still allow songs within a 5 year span of being released (like "Die for You" by the Weeknd) to chart with its current formula, but not songs that are older than that (including Christmas songs). I think an exception should be made for situations like "Running Up the Hill" which was actually pushed again in 2022 rather than it just being a streaming hit for a few weeks.

So if a 6 year old song surges in streams, it will be banned from the chart. If a 5 YO song does it, it will be allowed.

How random rule that would be.

There's random rules all across the BB charts. This would not be close to being the most random.

[iHype.]

I hate this discussion every year, but it’s going to happen so eh lol so I’d rather get it out the way now.

Personally I used to be for Christmas music charting, but it has become redundant and is on the verge of disrupting an entire quarter of each year.

I don’t think the issue is even old music charting, but with Holiday classics being tied to a yearly tradition. It makes it odd to compare with songs that are meant to have popularity in a single one time run on their own basis. It’s like comparing Happy Birthday or National Anthem to a regular hit song. These are evergreen songs embedded in culture that will always be around whereas Hot 100 is measuring current hits of the moment.

Yeah they are popular, but in the sense of looking back to what is popular in 2022 or 2023 or 2024 seeing the same traditional jingles listed every year is kind of pointless and everyone is already well aware they are universal classics. The chart is supposed to give us a gauge at what is becoming popular, not cemented. Even with songs like Running Up That Hill, they became popular on their own basis all over again so it made sense to show that. It didn’t get added to a playlist because everybody associates it with December 25th and that day was approaching.

I’m all for Holiday music being tracked on the Holiday chart, and for catalog music outside Holidays to still be continued tracking on Hot 100 in relevant instances.

[kcdawg13]

It's also gonna fuck up longevity records, all these songs are gonna crawl past Blinding Lights and Heat Waves eventually and Mariah is gonna get the longest-running #1 single record from Old Town Road eventually. Christmas songs shouldn't hold these records, especially when they are only popular for 6 weeks outta the whole year.

[dodgerslakers94]