Billboard Hot 100: 03/18/2023

[korbel16]

yikes

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Bigger than Garth, Willie, Hank and Johnny combined!

[kcdawg13]

Miley, Abel, Ariana, SZA, Ice Spice, Pinkpantheress, Metro Boomin, and 21 Savage are like the avengers of the Hot 100, holding the line so Morgan Wallen can't take over the entire Top 10. He is forced to pile up below #6.

[musiclife]

This is huge for a country artist. There needs to be a country take over on CHR. It is so under represented.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 13:22:55 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Bigger than Garth, Willie, Hank and Johnny combined!

had things been what they are right now back then Garth and Shania would have crushed

[312999]

I have lost track, how long has Kill Bill been at number 2? and was she expected to go to number 1 next week if it wasn't for Morgan Wallen?

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 13:51:15 GMT -5 312999 said:

I have lost track, how long has Kill Bill been at number 2? and was she expected to go to number 1 next week if it wasn't for Morgan Wallen?

Based off the projections Miley still would have beaten her. Miley will then return to #1 the following week.

[iHype.]

Mar 6, 2023 14:11:51 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 13:51:15 GMT -5 312999 said:

I have lost track, how long has Kill Bill been at number 2? and was she expected to go to number 1 next week if it wasn't for Morgan Wallen?

Based off the projections Miley still would have beaten her. Miley will then return to #1 the following week.

The projections for this week is less than 10 points between Flowers/Kill Bill, so obviously they would’ve likely tried to actively do something to boost her for #1 this week had Morgan not had a clear win this week.

[leoapp]

Okey, first Hot 100 country solo no.1 (non Taylor Swift/non Idol coronation song) since...?

[gikem]

Mar 6, 2023 14:27:05 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Okey, first Hot 100 country solo no.1 (non Taylor Swift/non Idol coronation song) since...?

I think 9 to 5? Unless by "solo" you mean only credited act, in which case that's Amazed.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 14:27:05 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Okey, first Hot 100 country solo no.1 (non Taylor Swift/non Idol coronation song) since...?

Solo was 9 to 5 in 1980. But the last country Hot 100 #1 not counting lil Nas X or Taylor was Amazed by Lonestar in 1999.

[kimberly]

Mar 6, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5 musiclife said:

This is huge for a country artist. There needs to be a country take over on CHR. It is so under represented.

Country radio exists

[HamedM1 💔]

Heartfirst by Kelsea Ballerini should've been sent to pop, thats all I have to add on the country on pop radio discussion.

[kcdawg13]

Mar 6, 2023 13:51:15 GMT -5 312999 said:

I have lost track, how long has Kill Bill been at number 2? and was she expected to go to number 1 next week if it wasn't for Morgan Wallen?

It was at No. 2 for seven weeks

[Enigma.]

Mar 6, 2023 14:45:36 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 14:27:05 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Okey, first Hot 100 country solo no.1 (non Taylor Swift/non Idol coronation song) since...?

Solo was 9 to 5 in 1980. But the last country Hot 100 #1 not counting lil Nas X or Taylor was Amazed by Lonestar in 1999.

2000 (March 4)

[Music Fan]

Mar 6, 2023 14:47:28 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 6, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5 musiclife said:

This is huge for a country artist. There needs to be a country take over on CHR. It is so under represented.

Country radio exists

I think what music life means is that there should be more cross over. Surely 80% of Country songs won't be played on CHR, but if songs can chart on AC, Rhythmic AND CHR, there's nothing to say certain songs cannot simultaneously chart on CHR and Country. We're getting maybe 1 or 2 a year that truly make it, when that number can be higher. The ones that come to mind within the past five years that were huge (not named Morgan Wallen) are Maren Morris' "The Bones", Gabby Barrett's "I Hope" which was propelled into CHR because of Charlie Puth, and Sam Hunt's "Body Like a Back Road." I'm sure there's a few others I'm missing, but I can see some more Maren being played on CHR, Kelsea Ballerini, even some Thomas Rhett.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 14:47:28 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 6, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5 musiclife said:

This is huge for a country artist. There needs to be a country take over on CHR. It is so under represented.

Country radio exists

So do all other formats that cross over to pop???

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 15:11:10 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

Mar 6, 2023 14:47:28 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Country radio exists

I think what music life means is that there should be more cross over. Surely 80% of Country songs won't be played on CHR, but if songs can chart on AC, Rhythmic AND CHR, there's nothing to say certain songs cannot simultaneously chart on CHR and Country. We're getting maybe 1 or 2 a year that truly make it, when that number can be higher. The ones that come to mind within the past five years that were huge (not named Morgan Wallen) are Maren Morris' "The Bones", Gabby Barrett's "I Hope" which was propelled into CHR because of Charlie Puth, and Sam Hunt's "Body Like a Back Road." I'm sure there's a few others I'm missing, but I can see some more Maren being played on CHR, Kelsea Ballerini, even some Thomas Rhett.

Thank you. Exactly what I meant. There should be more Country cross overs. There are plenty of songs that would do well on CHR.. especially the ones you named. Slow Down Summer by Thomas Rhett would have done so well on CHR. Country gets such a bad rap from people who don't necessarily listen to a lot of it. Most Country now a days sounds very pop.

[Au$tin]

Are we really going to call pop radio the villain here for not playing more country music when country labels refuse to even push anything to pop radio? Especially when this is stemming for Morgan Wallen doing huge numbers while... *checks the charts" already getting significant pop radio play.

Mar 6, 2023 13:42:13 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Mar 6, 2023 13:22:55 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Bigger than Garth, Willie, Hank and Johnny combined!

had things been what they are right now back then Garth and Shania would have crushed

Not Garth. It would actually require him to make his music available on something other than a CD which he still refuses to do in 2023.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 15:57:26 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Are we really going to call pop radio the villain here for not playing more country music when country labels refuse to even push anything to pop radio? Especially when this is stemming for Morgan Wallen doing huge numbers while... *checks the charts" already getting significant pop radio play.

It isn't being painted as the villain, but there are plenty of songs pop radio will play without it officially going for ads. Pop radio surely knows the country charts and what songs/artists have mass appeal or cross over potential. I've called pop stations requesting pop country stuff and was laughed at in the past. Or gotten the "KACEY MUSGRAVES!?!" Comment even when requesting her pop friendly stuff like Butterflies. So pop isn't the villain but I think a lot of people automatically judge country. There would have been plenty of other country number 1s if certain songs just had that slight extra push from CHR.

I'm not saying CHR should have a full country playlist.. but there isn't any reason why the top 50 shouldn't have 2 or 3 songs in there, maybe 1 in the top 10, at any given time like other genres. I just think it's crazy there have only been 9 country #1s since 1980 considering all the huge country songs that have cracked the top 10 on just the country format alone. With that extra CHR push you'd have a bunch of other country hot 100 #1s.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 15:59:20 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 15:57:26 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Are we really going to call pop radio the villain here for not playing more country music when country labels refuse to even push anything to pop radio? Especially when this is stemming for Morgan Wallen doing huge numbers while... *checks the charts" already getting significant pop radio play.

It isn't being painted as the villain, but there are plenty of songs pop radio will play without it officially going for ads. Pop radio surely knows what's the charts and what songs/artists have mass appeal. I've called pop stations requesting pop country stuff and was laughed at in the past.

How is what you're saying not blaming pop radio? Lol.

Anyway, pop radio plays music they think their listeners want to hear. There just simply isn't enough evidence to suggest pop radio listeners want to hear much modern country music, plain and simple. And Morgan Wallen does get pop radio airplay already and easily trumps his peers with mass appeal, so everything seems to be performing exactly as what you're requesting. Pop radio isn't going to suddenly start playing a poppy country song just because it sounds poppy and is getting somewhat decent streaming. We need to remember pop radio is not hits radio, it's pop radio. It has a specific format catering to a specific audience just as any other radio format does, and it's been proven time and time again that those listeners just aren't super into country even if it's poppy. There are exceptions like Shania, early Taylor, an occasional track here or there, but these are exceptions and not rules. That being said, there could definitely be a few more crossovers per year if country labels attempted to do so, but there's also a fine line they have to ride. For all niche genres, the more mainstream an artist becomes, the more they get judged by their niche fanbases and could easily lose their "street cred" on said formats. It happened to Taylor, as an example, and also briefly happened to Nicki before she did some amazing work on regaining her urban cred.

I'm also curious looking at the pop chart right now. Which songs do you think radio is playing without getting a push that isn't already a pop song or a song by an artist already established on pop?

[kimberly]

Mar 6, 2023 15:41:58 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 14:47:28 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Country radio exists

So do all other formats that cross over to pop???

you said "country take over". ain't nobody tuning into Top 40 radio to hear a Thomas Rhett song no one cares about.

Pop/CHR by definition plays pop music + other crossover hits that get big enough to warrant it. This also depends on the stations' location and audience. Songs like "Fancy Like" and "I Hope" managed to do this, but for the most part, leading stations in big metros won't randomly play Thomas Rhett because you think he deserves to get played. are country artists even trying to push songs to pop radio or are you expecting pop radio to arbitrarily pick them up?

in San Francisco, where I live, it would be extremely random to do this. in NYC, Chicago, LA too. but perhaps more plausible in Columbus Ohio. would make a lot more sense in Nashville, probably.

either way, CHR doesn't need a country take over nor does it need more country songs in rotation imo. unless country hits are streaming well, there's not much crossover potential.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:12:16 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Mar 6, 2023 15:41:58 GMT -5 musiclife said:

So do all other formats that cross over to pop???

you said "country take over". ain't nobody tuning into Top 40 radio to hear a Thomas Rhett song no one cares about.

Pop/CHR by definition plays pop music + other crossover hits that get big enough to warrant it. This also depends on the stations' location and audience. Songs like "Fancy Like" and "I Hope" managed to do this, but for the most part, leading stations in big metros won't randomly play Thomas Rhett because you think he deserves to get played. are country artists even trying to push songs to pop radio or are you expecting pop radio to arbitrarily pick them up?

in San Francisco, where I live, it would be extremely random to do this. in NYC, Chicago, LA too. but perhaps more plausible in Columbus Ohio. would make a lot more sense in Nashville, probably.

either way, CHR doesn't need a country take over nor does it need more country songs in rotation imo. unless country hits are streaming well, there's not much crossover potential.

People only say they don't care about Thomas Rhett because they don't know his songs and just his face and genre.. and there are millions of people who do care about him. Me being one of them.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just saying it's a wonderful genre with a lot of amazing songs and with a CHR push with certain warranted songs it would open a lot of doors to country and create a lot of new fans. I'm not saying songs about the woods and building fires should be on CHR lol I'm just saying there are lots of country songs that sound very pop.

[Au$tin]

The millions of people who do care about him aren't listening to pop radio, though. You might be, but you also don't represent all the millions of country music listeners. From a business stand point, there just isn't much incentive for pop radio to pick up random country songs or for country labels to push songs to pop without serious signs of actual crossover appeal. Your favorite John Deere song topping the country airplay chart and barely scraping the top 50 of the Hot 100 is not showing signs of crossover appeal, and that's totally fine. These niche genres have their own industries for a reason, of course.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 15:57:26 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Are we really going to call pop radio the villain here for not playing more country music when country labels refuse to even push anything to pop radio? Especially when this is stemming for Morgan Wallen doing huge numbers while... *checks the charts" already getting significant pop radio play.

Mar 6, 2023 13:42:13 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

had things been what they are right now back then Garth and Shania would have crushed

Not Garth. It would actually require him to make his music available on something other than a CD which he still refuses to do in 2023.

not what I was saying at all

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:11:09 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 15:59:20 GMT -5 musiclife said:

It isn't being painted as the villain, but there are plenty of songs pop radio will play without it officially going for ads. Pop radio surely knows what's the charts and what songs/artists have mass appeal. I've called pop stations requesting pop country stuff and was laughed at in the past.

How is what you're saying not blaming pop radio? Lol.

Anyway, pop radio plays music they think their listeners want to hear. There just simply isn't enough evidence to suggest pop radio listeners want to hear much modern country music, plain and simple. And Morgan Wallen does get pop radio airplay already and easily trumps his peers with mass appeal, so everything seems to be performing exactly as what you're requesting. Pop radio isn't going to suddenly start playing a poppy country song just because it sounds poppy and is getting somewhat decent streaming. We need to remember pop radio is not hits radio, it's pop radio. It has a specific format catering to a specific audience just as any other radio format does, and it's been proven time and time again that those listeners just aren't super into country even if it's poppy. There are exceptions like Shania, early Taylor, an occasional track here or there, but these are exceptions and not rules. That being said, there could definitely be a few more crossovers per year if country labels attempted to do so, but there's also a fine line they have to ride. For all niche genres, the more mainstream an artist becomes, the more they get judged by their niche fanbases and could easily lose their "street cred" on said formats. It happened to Taylor, as an example, and also briefly happened to Nicki before she did some amazing work on regaining her urban cred.

I'm also curious looking at the pop chart right now. Which songs do you think radio is playing without getting a push that isn't already a pop song or a song by an artist already established on pop?

Pop really is out of touch lately on a lot of stuff. It's playing a lot of 1 hit wonder songs that are never heard of. Do we really think songs like Sunroof made Nicky You're a household name? Lol I'm just saying there is a whole genre out there with huge appearance that is being ignored for something that sounds good on the first 1 or 2 listens cause it's catchy. This also applies for every other genre besides country. But when I think of CHR I personally think anything with a pop sound that could generate popularity. Just my opinion.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:21:28 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Mar 6, 2023 15:57:26 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Are we really going to call pop radio the villain here for not playing more country music when country labels refuse to even push anything to pop radio? Especially when this is stemming for Morgan Wallen doing huge numbers while... *checks the charts" already getting significant pop radio play.

Not Garth. It would actually require him to make his music available on something other than a CD which he still refuses to do in 2023.

not what I was saying at all

You literally said if the charts in the 90s and early 00s factored in streaming and digital sales and the music industry then resembled what it did now, then Garth Brooks and Shania Twain would have performed similarly to how Morgan Wallen is now, no? Is that not what you're saying?

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:17:19 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

The millions of people who do care about him aren't listening to pop radio, though. You might be, but you also don't represent all the millions of country music listeners. From a business stand point, there just isn't much incentive for pop radio to pick up random country songs or for country labels to push songs to pop without serious signs of actual crossover appeal. Your favorite John Deere song topping the country airplay chart and barely scraping the top 50 of the Hot 100 is not showing signs of crossover appeal, and that's totally fine. These niche genres have their own industries for a reason, of course.

Again who said I love John Deere country music only and I've already said in another post songs like that song have pop appeal and shouldn't cross over. This is the exact attitude people have against country and automatically judge it. It shows you don't know the genre.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:21:57 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:11:09 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

How is what you're saying not blaming pop radio? Lol.

Anyway, pop radio plays music they think their listeners want to hear. There just simply isn't enough evidence to suggest pop radio listeners want to hear much modern country music, plain and simple. And Morgan Wallen does get pop radio airplay already and easily trumps his peers with mass appeal, so everything seems to be performing exactly as what you're requesting. Pop radio isn't going to suddenly start playing a poppy country song just because it sounds poppy and is getting somewhat decent streaming. We need to remember pop radio is not hits radio, it's pop radio. It has a specific format catering to a specific audience just as any other radio format does, and it's been proven time and time again that those listeners just aren't super into country even if it's poppy. There are exceptions like Shania, early Taylor, an occasional track here or there, but these are exceptions and not rules. That being said, there could definitely be a few more crossovers per year if country labels attempted to do so, but there's also a fine line they have to ride. For all niche genres, the more mainstream an artist becomes, the more they get judged by their niche fanbases and could easily lose their "street cred" on said formats. It happened to Taylor, as an example, and also briefly happened to Nicki before she did some amazing work on regaining her urban cred.

I'm also curious looking at the pop chart right now. Which songs do you think radio is playing without getting a push that isn't already a pop song or a song by an artist already established on pop?

Pop really is out of touch lately on a lot of stuff. It's playing a lot of 1 hit wonder songs that are never heard of. Do we really think songs like Sunroof made Nicky You're a household name? Lol I'm just saying there is a whole genre out there with huge appearance that is being ignored for something that sounds good on the first 1 or 2 listens cause it's catchy. This also applies for every other genre besides country. But when I think of CHR I personally think anything with a pop sound that could generate popularity. Just my opinion.

Well first off your opinion does not dictate reality, so that's neither here nor there.

But let's dive into what you said about Sunroof. Pop radio hopped onto Sunroof because it was a significant viral hit that performed significantly well with people who listen to pop radio. His label also pushed the song to pop radio. It's not like it went #1 all on its own. It's also a pop song. I don't see how it's even remotely relevant to this discussion.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 16:23:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:21:28 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

not what I was saying at all

You literally said if the charts in the 90s and early 00s factored in streaming and digital sales and the music industry then resembled what it did now, then Garth Brooks and Shania Twain would have performed similarly to how Morgan Wallen is now, no? Is that not what you're saying?

I’m not interested in this argument but thank you for telling me what I meant 😂😂