Billboard Hot 100: 03/18/2023

[musiclife]

Anyway.. I don't wish to argue. I'm not here for that. Just expressing my love for the genre. This coming chart is a huge victory for country music and Morgan Wallen. Hoping for a lot more of in the future.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:24:12 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:17:19 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

The millions of people who do care about him aren't listening to pop radio, though. You might be, but you also don't represent all the millions of country music listeners. From a business stand point, there just isn't much incentive for pop radio to pick up random country songs or for country labels to push songs to pop without serious signs of actual crossover appeal. Your favorite John Deere song topping the country airplay chart and barely scraping the top 50 of the Hot 100 is not showing signs of crossover appeal, and that's totally fine. These niche genres have their own industries for a reason, of course.

Again who said I love John Deere country music only and I've already said in another post songs like that song have pop appeal and shouldn't cross over. This is the exact attitude people have against country and automatically judge it. It shows you don't know the genre.

I listen to country music all the time. The only one making snap judgements is you.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:55 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:23:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

You literally said if the charts in the 90s and early 00s factored in streaming and digital sales and the music industry then resembled what it did now, then Garth Brooks and Shania Twain would have performed similarly to how Morgan Wallen is now, no? Is that not what you're saying?

I’m not interested in this argument but thank you for telling me what I meant 😂😂

What argument? I'm not arguing with you. I'm literally asking you to clarify what you meant. Why are you so angry?

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:56 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Anyway.. I don't wish to argue. I'm not here for that. Just expressing my love for the genre.

And you are free to do so. No one is saying otherwise. It's just also possible to do all that without suggesting two entirely separate parts of the music industry should change entirely based on what you specifically want to happen despite it going against the best interests of both parties. And again, no one is arguing. Y'all are taking this conversation entirely too personal and I don't understand why.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 16:27:46 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:55 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

I’m not interested in this argument but thank you for telling me what I meant 😂😂

What argument? I'm not arguing with you. I'm literally asking you to clarify what you meant. Why are you so angry?

have a wonderful day 😊

[kimberly]

I think pop radio should be playing more Tove Lo, Charli XCX, Tinashe, Carly Rae Jepsen and Kim Petras. it's time for a indie pop girl take over at CHR.

now what?

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:32:04 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:27:46 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

What argument? I'm not arguing with you. I'm literally asking you to clarify what you meant. Why are you so angry?

have a wonderful day 😊

Just to recap, here's what went down:

Rose: joke about chart stats because of differences in how the industry worked then versus now
You: these two legends would have better numbers if things were different
Me: joke about one of said legends restricts access to their music
You: gets angry, says I didn't understand you
Me: can you clarify then?
You: quit arguing with me!!!1!!!
Me: I'm not? I'm asking you to clarify.
You: No! I refuse to respond to you in any manner that isn't passive aggressive.

Do you see what's wrong here? Where is this coming from? There wasn't an argument. There was no hostility towards you in the slightest. I don't understand why you got defensive over nothing. Are you okay? I'm genuinely concerned here. I'm bewildered at how we got here.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:56 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Anyway.. I don't wish to argue. I'm not here for that. Just expressing my love for the genre. This coming chart is a huge victory for country music and Morgan Wallen. Hoping for a lot more of in the future.

Luke Combs is no MW but he could make some waves in a few weeks

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:35:33 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I think pop radio should be playing more Tove Lo, Charli XCX, Tinashe, Carly Rae Jepsen and Kim Petras. it's time for a indie pop girl take over at CHR.

now what?

See this would require pop radio listeners to have taste, and I'm afraid they simply don't. 😔

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:29 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:21:57 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Pop really is out of touch lately on a lot of stuff. It's playing a lot of 1 hit wonder songs that are never heard of. Do we really think songs like Sunroof made Nicky You're a household name? Lol I'm just saying there is a whole genre out there with huge appearance that is being ignored for something that sounds good on the first 1 or 2 listens cause it's catchy. This also applies for every other genre besides country. But when I think of CHR I personally think anything with a pop sound that could generate popularity. Just my opinion.

Well first off your opinion does not dictate reality, so that's neither here nor there.

But let's dive into what you said about Sunroof. Pop radio hopped onto Sunroof because it was a significant viral hit that performed significantly well with people who listen to pop radio. His label also pushed the song to pop radio. It's not like it went #1 all on its own. It's also a pop song. I don't see how it's even remotely relevant to this discussion.

It's relevant because pop plays anything that sticks and is a safe bet rather than exploring other genres. All I'm saying is diversity is good instead of just automatically hopping on stuff because tik tok said so. Lol

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:27:28 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:24:12 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Again who said I love John Deere country music only and I've already said in another post songs like that song have pop appeal and shouldn't cross over. This is the exact attitude people have against country and automatically judge it. It shows you don't know the genre.

I listen to country music all the time. The only one making snap judgements is you.

Snap judgements? Lol it's hardly that at all. I feel like I'm the one being jumped here because all I suggested was pop radio plays more country music.. that's all.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:41:22 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:35:33 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I think pop radio should be playing more Tove Lo, Charli XCX, Tinashe, Carly Rae Jepsen and Kim Petras. it's time for a indie pop girl take over at CHR.

now what?

See this would require pop radio listeners to have taste, and I'm afraid they simply don't. 😔

See this I agree with you on. I think pop radio is out of touch. Again just my opinion.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:31:37 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:56 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Anyway.. I don't wish to argue. I'm not here for that. Just expressing my love for the genre.

And you are free to do so. No one is saying otherwise. It's just also possible to do all that without suggesting two entirely separate parts of the music industry should change entirely based on what you specifically want to happen despite it going against the best interests of both parties. And again, no one is arguing. Y'all are taking this conversation entirely too personal and I don't understand why.

I don't feel I'm taking it personally at all. Lol I'm just saying I would like CHR to take risks.. not just for country but just for music in general. People like Ava Max don't even get play, and even Gaga has a hard time scratching the top 10, and until recently Taylor wasn't even hitting the top 10 on pop radio. I would just like to see pop radio stop playing it so safe.

[musiclife]

Anyway again, I don't wish to argue. I'm just a person and I doubt CHR higher ups are gonna read this and I'm gonna sway them. Lol I just think country has so much to offer, and this coming week will be a huge country music victory. No hard feelings.. music connects us all and I love every single genre just as equally.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 16:50:31 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:26:29 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Well first off your opinion does not dictate reality, so that's neither here nor there.

But let's dive into what you said about Sunroof. Pop radio hopped onto Sunroof because it was a significant viral hit that performed significantly well with people who listen to pop radio. His label also pushed the song to pop radio. It's not like it went #1 all on its own. It's also a pop song. I don't see how it's even remotely relevant to this discussion.

It's relevant because pop plays anything that sticks and is a safe bet rather than exploring other genres. All I'm saying is diversity is good instead of just automatically hopping on stuff because tik tok said so. Lol

And I'm saying that this isn't a feasible business option for pop radio. It's 2023, people don't discover stuff from the radio anymore. Radio is a supplemental promotional tool now, not a way to break new music. It hasn't been that way in nearly a decade. The only way you're every going to hear country music on pop radio is if a country song proves it has worth to be on a pop radio playlist.

Also TikTok has brought more diversity to pop radio. Lil Nas X, Doja Cat, and Joji were all types of artists that never would have seen the light of day on pop radio if it weren't for TikTok. I know it's not the style you want, but that doesn't make it not diverse.

Mar 6, 2023 16:51:52 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:41:22 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

See this would require pop radio listeners to have taste, and I'm afraid they simply don't. 😔

See this I agree with you on. I think pop radio is out of touch. Again just my opinion.

It's not out of touch. Out of touch with you, sure, but it's literally playing what brings it the most listeners. Radio is a business, this is what businesses do. Appeal to as many people as possible to maximize profits. They're playing the hits.

[lazer]

^Exactly. Tiktok has been far kinder to newer artists than radio these days when it comes to promoting.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:58:51 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:50:31 GMT -5 musiclife said:

It's relevant because pop plays anything that sticks and is a safe bet rather than exploring other genres. All I'm saying is diversity is good instead of just automatically hopping on stuff because tik tok said so. Lol

And I'm saying that this isn't a feasible business option for pop radio. It's 2023, people don't discover stuff from the radio anymore. Radio is a supplemental promotional tool now, not a way to break new music. It hasn't been that way in nearly a decade. The only way you're every going to hear country music on pop radio is if a country song proves it has worth to be on a pop radio playlist.

Also TikTok has brought more diversity to pop radio. Lil Nas X, Doja Cat, and Joji were all types of artists that never would have seen the light of day on pop radio if it weren't for TikTok. I know it's not the style you want, but that doesn't make it not diverse.

I get that and I agree with you to an extent, but if music that you normally don't listen to is provided to you on the radio, it provides a way to discover a genre someone doesn't generally know. There's plenty of times I turned on the radio and discovered artists this way.

Not saying it isn't the style I want, because I love all genres, but I just think that with a whole other genre, that's so popular shouldn't be ignored because most people think country is only about God, Pickup Trucks, and camping. Lol

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 16:58:51 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:50:31 GMT -5 musiclife said:

It's relevant because pop plays anything that sticks and is a safe bet rather than exploring other genres. All I'm saying is diversity is good instead of just automatically hopping on stuff because tik tok said so. Lol

And I'm saying that this isn't a feasible business option for pop radio. It's 2023, people don't discover stuff from the radio anymore. Radio is a supplemental promotional tool now, not a way to break new music. It hasn't been that way in nearly a decade. The only way you're every going to hear country music on pop radio is if a country song proves it has worth to be on a pop radio playlist.

Also TikTok has brought more diversity to pop radio. Lil Nas X, Doja Cat, and Joji were all types of artists that never would have seen the light of day on pop radio if it weren't for TikTok. I know it's not the style you want, but that doesn't make it not diverse.

Mar 6, 2023 16:51:52 GMT -5 musiclife said:

See this I agree with you on. I think pop radio is out of touch. Again just my opinion.

It's not out of touch. Out of touch with you, sure, but it's literally playing what brings it the most listeners. Radio is a business, this is what businesses do. Appeal to as many people as possible to maximize profits. They're playing the hits.

And adding to this.. anything can be a hit, it's just about what's marketed to mainstream. I guarantee if pop or mainstream media paid just 20% more attention to certain country songs you would have just as many people who only follow trends doing the same thing with country songs as they do when they dance to these songs on tik tok.

[Au$tin]

Mar 6, 2023 17:02:55 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 16:58:51 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

And I'm saying that this isn't a feasible business option for pop radio. It's 2023, people don't discover stuff from the radio anymore. Radio is a supplemental promotional tool now, not a way to break new music. It hasn't been that way in nearly a decade. The only way you're every going to hear country music on pop radio is if a country song proves it has worth to be on a pop radio playlist.

Also TikTok has brought more diversity to pop radio. Lil Nas X, Doja Cat, and Joji were all types of artists that never would have seen the light of day on pop radio if it weren't for TikTok. I know it's not the style you want, but that doesn't make it not diverse.

I get that and I agree with you to an extent, but if music that you normally don't listen to is provided to you on the radio, it provides a way to discover a genre someone doesn't generally know. There's plenty of times I turned on the radio and discovered artists this way.

Not saying it isn't the style I want, because I love all genres, but I just think that with a whole other genre, that's so popular shouldn't be ignored because most people think country is only about God, Pickup Trucks, and camping. Lol

You keep relating this all back to you. *You* discover music on the radio, *you* would like country music on pop radio, *you* want radio to take risks. But you are not the sole listener of pop radio. There are millions of listeners. And to radio, these listeners are customers. Without them, they cannot prosper, they cannot profit. In order to maximize profits and retain listeners, they need to cater to them, and it's been proven multiple times that when pop radio plays a country crossover, it often leads to less listener retention. There are exceptions, of course, and it's cool when that happens, but that's what makes them exceptions. You also say that the country genre is so popular, but is ignored by pop radio. Sure, it's popular in the sense that it's a multi million dollar industry, but that doesn't mean a completely unrelated industry needs to recognize and support it. The pop industry and the country industry are two separate entities and the people that consumer their products aren't necessarily overlapping. They have different demographics, different tastes, different experiences. Pop radio is "ignoring" country music because their consumers don't want to consume country music. Being exposed to it isn't necessarily going to change that. I'd even argue that if that were the case, then the regions of the country that are exposed to more country music would see more crossovers and that's really never been the case.

It's similar to how some songs and genres do really well in Europe, but fail to break in the US or just outright aren't even pushed here. The consumers of each industry aren't the same people.

As to you worrying that too many people think country music is just a bunch of stereotypes, exposing people to it more than they already have (which, if they were to have that opinion, they would have already been exposed to it) isn't the answer to fixing that problem. People have that perception because of problem within the country music industry itself, largely due to country radio. In my opinion, fixing the country industry first to be less stereotypical and fix its own image is going to help it to crossover better than trying to forcefeed pop radio listeners. Honestly, a good way to do this isn't through radio at all, but streaming. It's so much easier to and less of a risk to put experimental or niche tracks into playlists and see how they do than to get a radio station to play it. If the country industry really wants to change its image and expand to people outside of the industry, streaming is the way to do it. And a few cases of just that have already happened to some decent success, such as Zach Bryan, Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, and Maren Morris.

And again, this is because radio is no longer the way the vast majority of people discover music anymore. It's streaming services and social media. Pop radio will only ever embrace country music, or music from any genre, if it takes off there.

[kcdawg13]

It's not like pop radio isn't playing country music, they've brought tons of country songs over, most recently Wallen's "Wasted On You" and that Kane Brown collab with his wife. The issue stems from the fact that it seems pop radio audiences just don't really like the genre, which is why country crossovers are rare. Pop radio will spin like their life depends on it but if the audience isn't responding well, they are gonna drop the song. It's pretty simple.

Nobody complains that pop radio doesn't spin enough hip-hop/r&b, there was like a whole period where neither of those genres cross-overed to pop radio. Which is why they have their own radio stations. Trap was the biggest genre in the world during 2017-2019, with huge Hot 100 hits from Migos and Lil Uzi Vert and artists like them, but only pop-leaning stuff like Drake and Post Malone managed to crossover. That's just how it was, and how it still is. Sometimes they'll take a risk like when they brought "Sicko Mode" to a Top 10 peak or even spun "Running Up That Hill" last year, but at the end of the day radio is a business and if the audience isn't responding well to the single, they aren't gonna play it.

[KeepDeanWeird]

^The Pop Radio discussion, which is interesting, belongs in another thread, not the H100.

TikTok’s days are numbered. So many state/federal government agencies have banned it. Now the US Senate - it bipartisan- is really going after it. Someone IG Reels won’t cut it.

I’m not sure how anyone is surprised by MW’s streaming numbers considering the several preceding tracks from the project all did solid numbers and not just for one week. Don’t get it. He’s not remarkable in anyway.

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 17:29:09 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 6, 2023 17:02:55 GMT -5 musiclife said:

I get that and I agree with you to an extent, but if music that you normally don't listen to is provided to you on the radio, it provides a way to discover a genre someone doesn't generally know. There's plenty of times I turned on the radio and discovered artists this way.

Not saying it isn't the style I want, because I love all genres, but I just think that with a whole other genre, that's so popular shouldn't be ignored because most people think country is only about God, Pickup Trucks, and camping. Lol

You keep relating this all back to you. *You* discover music on the radio, *you* would like country music on pop radio, *you* want radio to take risks. But you are not the sole listener of pop radio. There are millions of listeners. And to radio, these listeners are customers. Without them, they cannot prosper, they cannot profit. In order to maximize profits and retain listeners, they need to cater to them, and it's been proven multiple times that when pop radio plays a country crossover, it often leads to less listener retention. There are exceptions, of course, and it's cool when that happens, but that's what makes them exceptions. You also say that the country genre is so popular, but is ignored by pop radio. Sure, it's popular in the sense that it's a multi million dollar industry, but that doesn't mean a completely unrelated industry needs to recognize and support it. The pop industry and the country industry are two separate entities and the people that consumer their products aren't necessarily overlapping. They have different demographics, different tastes, different experiences. Pop radio is "ignoring" country music because their consumers don't want to consume country music. Being exposed to it isn't necessarily going to change that. I'd even argue that if that were the case, then the regions of the country that are exposed to more country music would see more crossovers and that's really never been the case.

It's similar to how some songs and genres do really well in Europe, but fail to break in the US or just outright aren't even pushed here. The consumers of each industry aren't the same people.

As to you worrying that too many people think country music is just a bunch of stereotypes, exposing people to it more than they already have (which, if they were to have that opinion, they would have already been exposed to it) isn't the answer to fixing that problem. People have that perception because of problem within the country music industry itself, largely due to country radio. In my opinion, fixing the country industry first to be less stereotypical and fix its own image is going to help it to crossover better than trying to forcefeed pop radio listeners. Honestly, a good way to do this isn't through radio at all, but streaming. It's so much easier to and less of a risk to put experimental or niche tracks into playlists and see how they do than to get a radio station to play it. If the country industry really wants to change its image and expand to people outside of the industry, streaming is the way to do it. And a few cases of just that have already happened to some decent success, such as Zach Bryan, Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, and Maren Morris.

And again, this is because radio is no longer the way the vast majority of people discover music anymore. It's streaming services and social media. Pop radio will only ever embrace country music, or music from any genre, if it takes off there.

I really can't read this giant wall of text so I'll just say agree to disagree then. Lol

[Darkest Hour]

Regarding the specific example of Thomas Rhett songs, Big Machine definitely tried to push him to pop radio (specifically, HAC) since Die A Happy Man, even made a remix featuring Tori Kelly at that time. Didn't happen. Sometimes pop radio listeners just feel the twang in singer voices sounds too country despite the song being essentially pop. It happens.

Anyway my selfish heart wanted Man Made A Bar to make top 10 just to give Eric Church one. Doesn't look like it will because of no radio.

[korbel16]

tf going on

[musiclife]

Mar 6, 2023 18:41:09 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Regarding the specific example of Thomas Rhett songs, Big Machine definitely tried to push him to pop radio (specifically, HAC) since Die A Happy Man, even made a remix featuring Tori Kelly at that time. Didn't happen. Sometimes pop radio listeners just feel the twang in singer voices sounds too country despite the song being essentially pop. It happens.

Anyway my selfish heart wanted Man Made A Bar to make top 10 just to give Eric Church one. Doesn't look like it will because of no radio.

Man Made A Bar would be a great single. Hope it's a single at some point.

[rainygirl]

Mar 6, 2023 19:21:59 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Mar 6, 2023 18:41:09 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Regarding the specific example of Thomas Rhett songs, Big Machine definitely tried to push him to pop radio (specifically, HAC) since Die A Happy Man, even made a remix featuring Tori Kelly at that time. Didn't happen. Sometimes pop radio listeners just feel the twang in singer voices sounds to country despite the song being essentially pop. It happens.

Anyway my selfish heart wanted Man Made A Bar to make top 10 just to give Eric Church one. Doesn't look like it will because of no radio.

Man Made A Bar would be a great single. Hope it's a single at some point.

I think 98 Braves should be next lol … but I can see a duet being a better choice especially if they make a video etc

[slw84]

OMG...the back and forth...the shambles.

But good for Morgan. I hope more country artists can spend a healthy amount of weeks in the top 10.

[thatpolishboy]

Why would Pop radio play country music? That's like asking country radio to play pop music.. it's just.. not meant to be..

[Skibidi Bop Bop]

Is Morgan Wallen officially the biggest The Voice alumnus or any act from an American reality singing contest? I'm just curious.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 6, 2023 16:21:57 GMT -5 musiclife said:

But when I think of CHR I personally think anything with a pop sound that could generate popularity. Just my opinion.

I think this is a mistake a lot of people make. Radio formats are what they are not because of the music they play exactly but because of the audience they (try to) attract. People who tune into a CHR station have a certain expectation for what they'll hear - but also what they won't hear. The same can be said for every other format. There's a reason why Country radio plays certain country artists while also not playing other country artists and music. It's based off of perceived expectation. Similarly, with CHR. If someone tunes into CHR and hears a bunch of country songs in a short time frame, they'll switch the station. With that said, CHR is a pretty adaptable format in that it does move with the trends and if country music were to become more of a mainstream thing (as in, venturing outside of country-music fans and listeners), then it could pick up on CHR radio - if the listeners are accepting of it. It wouldn't be overnight but it isn't an impossibility.