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Post by bboat11 on Jul 22, 2023 1:14:57 GMT -5
I like how this debate turned into Maren Morris being cancelled for performing with drag queens, which wasn't even her  I was about to say the same thing. Lol Are there even country fans in this thread right now??? Hahaha the best part is Kelsea didn't belong in the conversation to begin with because she has never faced any genuine backlash for her drag queen performance, but it was still funny to just watch her disappear from the conversation. It's like the fact that she didn't face any backlash ruined the point that was being made, so the actions were attributed to Maren instead 🙃 Boom! Now the narrative that country fans are nothing but intolerant bumpkins who hate progress all makes sense again! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 2:21:34 GMT -5
I was about to say the same thing. Lol Are there even country fans in this thread right now??? Hahaha the best part is Kelsea didn't belong in the conversation to begin with because she has never faced any genuine backlash for her drag queen performance, but it was still funny to just watch her disappear from the conversation. It's like the fact that she didn't face any backlash ruined the point that was being made, so the actions were attributed to Maren instead 🙃 Boom! Now the narrative that country fans are nothing but intolerant bumpkins who hate progress all makes sense again! Kelsea might not have faced backlash that we know of but the point I was making was why take that risk to begin with since she already saw Maren basically end her career in country music. It’s also not a narrative it’s pretty much fact that most country music fans are intolerant bumpkins. 😂 |
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Post by someguy on Jul 22, 2023 2:47:49 GMT -5
A country singer uses terms like equality and loving everyone for who they are, and country fans go berserk and want to cancel them for accepting lgbtq fans. Another country star says the n word or uses racist tropes of imagery to parallel their song and the fans eat it us and shoot them to #1. I just don't get it. The majority of country fans are conservative? Is this a surprise? Its why Maren has become irrelevant and Aldean and Morgan are topping the charts But how is shouting the n word and being racist conservative? Conservative or not, using the n word and using racist images should be unaccepetable to everyone. |
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 22, 2023 5:03:27 GMT -5
Hahaha the best part is Kelsea didn't belong in the conversation to begin with because she has never faced any genuine backlash for her drag queen performance, but it was still funny to just watch her disappear from the conversation. It's like the fact that she didn't face any backlash ruined the point that was being made, so the actions were attributed to Maren instead 🙃 Boom! Now the narrative that country fans are nothing but intolerant bumpkins who hate progress all makes sense again! Kelsea might not have faced backlash that we know of but the point I was making was why take that risk to begin with since she already saw Maren basically end her career in country music. It’s also not a narrative it’s pretty much fact that most country music fans are intolerant bumpkins. 😂 There are a lot of bumpkins among us, for sure! 🤣 But I still get bothered by the generalization. I like to think that the fans who are outright *ignorant* are in the minority. Most people can be pretty open to learning new things and welcoming of new ideas, as long as they’re not thrust upon them via a political shame spiral. Which is one of the things I think this song does wrong. The entire point is to unify the common folk against some kind of “other”, and that type of intentional division does nothing but bring out the worst in people 😬 It’s also kinda what Maren got wrong when she resorted to name calling and public arguments. But Kelsea performing with people in drag, on the other hand, is not an act that is fundamentally meant to divide. So I think most people aren’t as inclined to even notice or care, even if they are bumpkins. Live-and-let-live goes a long way with people in real life! But the extreme reactionism that is constantly visible on social media makes it seem as if that isn’t the case, and then people feel like they need to get angry and defensive because they are treated as a caricature all the time. I feel like I’m rambling, lmao. If anyone made it this far, congratulations. Your prize is that you are now done reading this post! |
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 22, 2023 7:02:12 GMT -5
Conservatives have long felt alienated from popular culture and have only just recently harnessed the power of online organization to get numbers. People aren't sending this to #1 because they identify with it as a lynching anthem--they're sending it to #1 because people they hate online are telling them it's a lynching anthem and they find that stupid and insulting. They're watching the video and listening to the song because liberals and leftists tell them not to, and when they don't find the most explicitly racist lyrics imaginable, they feel justified in finding the other side hysterical and anti-middle America. Plus the thrill of solidarity and sending "one of their own" to the top of previously perceived left-dominated charts. As soon as I saw the first tweet decrying these garbage lyrics as being pro-lynching, I knew this was going #1. Rage, rinse, repeat. This is it, this is the post. You want to incite a hyperbolic reaction in the right? The kind of reaction that's about to send this turd straight to the top? Then continue the hysterics and blowing this completely asinine song out of proportion. The fringe right does not exist in a bubble. They exist in direct opposition to the fringe left. The sooner we learn this, the better off we'll all be. There is an infinite amount of content out there with POV's that I don't agree with. You know what I do? I just don't listen to it or watch it (and hell, sometimes I do anyway). I don't try to shut it down or caterwaul to the heavens like it's the end of the world. Unfortunately social media platforms have created an atmosphere where everyone feels the dire need to air every grievance like it's the most important issue in the world. If people had just pressed skip/block and moved on with their day, like I dunno, any rational person would, then we wouldn't be dealing with this right now. |
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Post by Jay D83 on Jul 22, 2023 7:54:51 GMT -5
This and Morgan whoever proves that America is *still* a racist country.
Which surprises few black people.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 22, 2023 10:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 22, 2023 11:03:26 GMT -5
If controversy = cash then having drag queens would mean cash too. It’s simply about catering to an audience, but that depends on what audience you want and/or don’t want and how that aligns with your values. I’m sure Maren put plenty of thought into having drag queens as part of her performance and that’s why she did it. Saying it’s not a “good idea” would be akin to telling Betty White back in the 50s it wasn’t a “good idea” to have a Black actor on her variety show. What you’re basically saying is that country artists should cater to and bend over for racists because they have buying power within the country music demographic. I think you’re taking the thought to an unnecessary extreme. It’s about “reading the room” and knowing who your audience is. Aldean knows who he’s singing to, Maren may too, but actively pushing their buttons and bringing drag queens on stage when you know that’s something a lot of them are morally opposed to should have her expecting the result she got. Artists should feel free to use their artistic platform to express whatever they want to imo, red or blue. But also shouldn’t be surprised when they get kickback or support from an audience that primarily leans one way Who’s to say she didn’t expect the result she expected? I’m sure she’s not stupid. Maren has been vocal about her support of queer people for years. She was a guest judge on Drag Race this year. She’s outspoken about it on social media. I know when we think of country music we often think all country artists have the same demographics and audiences and I don’t necessarily think that’s true. I think Maren caters to the audience she wants to have, which probably isn’t terribly different from someone like Jason Isbell or even Sheryl Crow, even if it might mean alienating a portion of traditional country listeners. If she wanted to succeed in that world, she’d have just shut up and sang a long time ago. We only see it as a failure on her part because she’s often lumped in with other mainstream country acts and has succeeded on that level a few times before. |
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 22, 2023 11:23:56 GMT -5
I think you’re taking the thought to an unnecessary extreme. It’s about “reading the room” and knowing who your audience is. Aldean knows who he’s singing to, Maren may too, but actively pushing their buttons and bringing drag queens on stage when you know that’s something a lot of them are morally opposed to should have her expecting the result she got. Artists should feel free to use their artistic platform to express whatever they want to imo, red or blue. But also shouldn’t be surprised when they get kickback or support from an audience that primarily leans one way Who’s to say she didn’t expect the result she expected? I’m sure she’s not stupid. Maren has been vocal about her support of queer people for years. She was a guest judge on Drag Race this year. She’s outspoken about it on social media. I know when we think of country music we often think all country artists have the same demographics and audiences and I don’t necessarily think that’s true. I think Maren caters to the audience she wants to have, which probably isn’t terribly different from someone like Jason Isbell or even Sheryl Crow, even if it might mean alienating a portion of traditional country listeners. If she wanted to succeed in that world, she’d have just shut up and sang a long time ago. We only see it as a failure on her part because she’s often lumped in with other mainstream country acts and has succeeded on that level a few times before. I’m glad you brought this up because Maren’s been pretty vocal about her political stance/what she supports since nearly the beginning of her mainstream career. It’s because of this, that she’s been able to carve out her own audience/path that isn’t your typical one that you see from most mainstream country stars. While she’s likely hurt her radio career & ties with a lot of people in Nashville, she’ll be fine in the end. She’s succeeded as a female artist in the genre compared to most in terms of critical & commercial success and she’s built a big enough name for herself where she can sell enough of her music/tour for the rest of her life & still make a living off of it. While I don’t always agree with the stuff she speaks on or supports, I admire the fact that she’s been one of the few mainstream country stars to constantly be vocal about various issues within the industry. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 22, 2023 12:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 22, 2023 13:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 22, 2023 20:05:02 GMT -5
Yeah I'd love if people would ask these celebrities what specific time they'd like to return to, and ask them how good it was for nonwhites. Anyway, Ms Stark really proves Aldean to be the liar we know he is: http://instagram.com/p/Cu7iq2fPQ8D |
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Post by Sugar Rush on Jul 22, 2023 21:56:32 GMT -5
Just a reminder Kelsea, Kacey and Maren are far more talented and gifted than Jason and his home wrecking Barbie bitch wife!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 23, 2023 13:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by matty005 on Jul 23, 2023 14:03:04 GMT -5
I am not sure if this is true or not, I am just asking questions  but it sounds like something that could be true. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 23, 2023 14:12:34 GMT -5
Not the call coming from inside the house!  Wouldn't be the first time a Conservative wound up being a self-loathing closet case or something to that effect, so it wouldn't really surprise me if there was truth to any of that. |
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Post by dbcdb on Jul 23, 2023 16:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by neally on Jul 23, 2023 17:34:22 GMT -5
Conservatives have long felt alienated from popular culture and have only just recently harnessed the power of online organization to get numbers. People aren't sending this to #1 because they identify with it as a lynching anthem--they're sending it to #1 because people they hate online are telling them it's a lynching anthem and they find that stupid and insulting. They're watching the video and listening to the song because liberals and leftists tell them not to, and when they don't find the most explicitly racist lyrics imaginable, they feel justified in finding the other side hysterical and anti-middle America. Plus the thrill of solidarity and sending "one of their own" to the top of previously perceived left-dominated charts. As soon as I saw the first tweet decrying these garbage lyrics as being pro-lynching, I knew this was going #1. Rage, rinse, repeat. 100% spot on. My take on this insanity: In the uber-reactive world in which we live today, it seems that cultural media, including songs that superficially celebrate who we are (whatever that is) today are a target of cancellation and censorship when just a few years ago would certainly have united most folks. For example, I recall distinctly so many media publications and pundits on television discussing why people should be “offended” by the Top Gun: Maverick movie from last summer. Ironically, there continues to be mainstream veneration of songs that legitimately glorify violence and ratchet behaviour without a subsequent targeted media agenda to cancel those artists. On a deeper level, I think that there is some bizarre tug-of-war: in this case between small town vs big city that is supposed to cause some faux or real offence, similar to the the equally bizarre, binary “debate” between nationalism and globalism. While the song is just not that deep, its tribal responses expose the petty differences that the opportunist media and media figures (not so much regular people) patiently wait for like vultures in order to create yet another national “controversy” to keep themselves relevant. Eg: a mainstream media publication labeled this song as “pro-lynching” and “the most racist song of this decade”, no doubt in large part for eyeballs which translates to dollars. The (un)intended consequence of telling humans how they should feel about something or when and why they should or should not feel offended, will cause a reaction and counter-reaction, as it did with this song. This oversensitivity just creates fatigue among people who then will give less attention to other social issues. Unfortunately, I don’t see this cycle of spotlighting one “controversy” after the next coming to an end anytime soon, as the both left and right-leaning mainstream media and social media figures who get paid for clicks and views have a financial interest in keeping stories like this alive for as long as possible. |
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Post by tomgsinger on Jul 23, 2023 17:46:16 GMT -5
Just saw a TikTok that pointed out that a lyric video to this song posted onto one of Aldean’s social media accounts includes a newspaper excerpt that criticized The Petal Paper (a magazine that criticized Jim Crowe-era white supremacy). The fact that people are still condemning and playing this song is disgusting. www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8RKuTCR/ |
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 23, 2023 18:42:30 GMT -5
The video has over 15 million views in just over a week (I will not be seeing the video).
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 24, 2023 0:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by g8erboi on Jul 24, 2023 5:34:55 GMT -5
The fact this is going #1 on the Hot 100 next week was not something I had in my 2023 bingo card. I guess it will be cool to have the top three songs all being country though…
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Post by schnetzka on Jul 24, 2023 6:07:21 GMT -5
I really need somebody to make a female country song controversial somehow so that it goes number one. If pathetic excuses for a human like Jason can make it to the top then there has to be somehow we can get actual talented singers to the top as well. I sadly don't see it happening but I will have that glimmer of hope until it does.
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Post by stormlover74 on Jul 24, 2023 7:27:23 GMT -5
I really need somebody to make a female country song controversial somehow so that it goes number one. If pathetic excuses for a human like Jason can make it to the top then there has to be somehow we can get actual talented singers to the top as well. I sadly don't see it happening but I will have that glimmer of hope until it does. Redneck woman for the 2020s |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 9:32:35 GMT -5
The fact this is going #1 on the Hot 100 next week was not something I had in my 2023 bingo card. I guess it will be cool to have the top three songs all being country though… Has that ever happened before? Top 3 songs on Hot 100 all being country. |
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jul 24, 2023 11:39:36 GMT -5
Absolutely nobody is watching music videos on TV in 2023 anymore. The fact that a music video channel had to announce they pulled a music video in 2023, and for it to get large press coverage was the biggest and most obvious example of purposely crafted publicity in recent times lmao. Imagine MTV announcing they won’t be playing a music video in 2023 because it’s controversial. Yep, so obvious. CMT only shows videos during the "late late hours" when nobody is watching their channel anyway. The rest of the time it is old tv shows. What a better way to get this awful song and their channel in the news? Put out a news release that the video is being pulled. CMT has a CMT Music channel which is videos. Two downsides, first, it isn't in HD. Second, it isn't on streaming. Xfinity has it on their platform and I suspect other cable providers have it as well. I bring this up because independent artists are getting airplay on CMT Music thanks to their weekly countdown. I don't disagree that people are watching music videos on TV. Also, this song was on the SiriusXM The Highway top 30 countdown this week (supposedly fan voted) at #28. |
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jul 24, 2023 13:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by krissirge on Jul 24, 2023 14:46:54 GMT -5
Kinda sad that the lyrics are as terrible as they are (and that Aldean aint much of a singer), because instrumentally this song slaps.
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Post by er1c612 on Jul 24, 2023 19:03:25 GMT -5
Thank God this didn’t get #1 on the Hot 100, that would’ve been tragic. It’s bad enough it’s #1 on Hot Country |
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Post by stormlover74 on Jul 24, 2023 20:46:42 GMT -5
Thank God this didn’t get #1 on the Hot 100, that would’ve been tragic. It’s bad enough it’s #1 on Hot Country It's in the running next week |
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but it sounds like something that could be true.
