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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 9, 2023 22:22:20 GMT -5
US Spotify - 07/07/23
Taylor Swift - Speak Now (Taylor's Version) [22/22]
1(+3) I Can See You 2,081,726 (-1,045,338) (-33%)
3(-1) Back to December (Taylor's Version) 1,659,045 (-1,720,236) (-51%)
4(-3) Mine (Taylor's Version) 1,642,935 (-1,990,290) (-55%)
5(+2) Enchanted (Taylor's Version) 1,577,508 (-1,408,543) (-47%)
6(-3) Sparks Fly (Taylor's Version) 1,526,118 (-1,744,828) (-53%)
8(-3) Better Than Revenge (Taylor's Version) 1,471,579 (-1,652,863) (-53%)
9(-3) Dear John (Taylor's Version) 1,453,003 (-1,665,108) (-53%)
10(-2) Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 1,413,372 (-1,565,299) (-53%)
11(=) Castles Crumbling 1,401,446 (-1,278,151) (-48)
12(=) When Emma Falls in Love 1,328,065 (-1,340,864) (-50%)
14(-4) Mean (Taylor's Version) 1,312,763 (-1,406,433) (-52%)
16(-3) The Story of Us (Taylor's Version) 1,292,558 (-1,321,100)
17(-8) Electric Touch 1,281,304 (-1,479,794) (-54%)
18(-3) Foolish One 1,240,632 (-1,0367,95)
19(-5) Haunted (Taylor's Version) 1,238,958 (-1,097,181)
21(-5) Timeless 1,167,078 (-1,015,862)
22(-2) Long Live (Taylor's Version) 1,124,923 (-881,672)
23(-5) Last Kiss (Taylor's Version) 1,062,951 (-1,090,247)
24(-7) Never Grow Up (Taylor's Version) 1,028,432 (-1,149,745)
26(-5) Innocent (Taylor's Version) 950,041 (-999,903)
27(-5) Ours (Taylor's Version) 931,015 (-830,163)
29(-6) Superman (Taylor's Version) 816,173 (-758,869)
Total Second Day Streams: 29,001,625 (-50%)
Top 10 Without Speak Now (Taylor's Version)
2(+17) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 1,813,746 (-203,646) (-10%)
7(+17) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 1,515,498 (+897)
13(+13) Gunna - fukumean 1,314,583 (-22,282)
15(+10) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 1,296,159 (-178,624) (-12%)
20(+7) Eslabon Armado, Peso Pluma - Ella Baila Sola 1,180,459 (-4)
25(+3) Luke Combs - Fast Car 1,023,633 (-7,185)
28(+1) SZA - Kill Bill 844,618 (-53,110)
30(+1) Grupo Frontera, Bad Bunny - un x100to 781,708 (+6,545)
31(+1) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 765,269 (+2,153)
32(+2) Yng Lvcas, Peso Pluma - La Bebe Remix 753,885 (+17,172)
Other:
33(-3) Lil Uzi Vert - Flooded the Face 744,720 (-78,586)
34(-1) Tyler the Creator, Kali Uchis - See You Again 728,550 (-27,034)
35(=) Bad Bunny - WHERE SHE GOES 714,255 (-17,168)
36(+1) NewJeans - Super Shy 683,404 (+488)
37(-1) Lil Durk, J. Cole - All My Life 676,207 (-42,586)
38(+8) Junior H, Peso Pluma - El Azul 665,433 (+37,135)
40(-2) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 660,374 (-10,128)
41(-2) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 653,373 (-15,221)
43(+2) Fuerza Regida - TQM 649,546 (+12,519)
44(-2) Fuerza Regida - SABOR FRESA 649,459 (-788
46(-2) Nicki Minaj, Ice Spice - Barbie World 605,232 (-31,896)
47(=) Drake - Search & Rescue 600,676 (-17,982)
48(=) Miley Cyrus - Flowers 595,056 (-23,060)
49(+2) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 585,710 (-17,139)
50(=) FIFTY FIFTY - Cupid (Twin Version) 584,312 (-24,435)
52(=) Taylor Swift - Karma 573,053 (-21,609)
53(+1) Bizarrap, Peso Pluma - Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 55 571,015 (-1,150)
54(-1) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 563,067 (-23,438)
55(=) Peso Pluma, Grupo Frontera - TULUM 558,495 (-246)
56(+5) Taylor Swift - Style 533,924 (+6,338)
57(+5) Post Malone, Swae Lee - Sunflower 521,225 (-4,228)
58(+8) Lil Uzi Vert - Just Wanna Rock 517,046 (-1,099)
59(=) Metro Boomin, The Weeknd, 21 Savage - Creepin' 515,600 (-16,533)
60(=) Kali Uchis - Moonlight 515,147 (-14,228)
61(-3) Tainy, Bad Bunny - MOJABI GHOST 513,617 (-19,487)
62(+6) Peso Pluma - Por las Noches 511,761 (-2,185)
63(-6) Kali - Area Codes 510,656 (-26,996)
65(+2) Rema, Selena Gomez - Calm Down 509,634 (-7,888)
66(-1) SZA - Snooze 506,875 (-12,397)
68(+3) Taylor Swift - Blank Space 489,181 (-11,306)
69(=) David Kushner - Daylight 474,991 (-34,758)
70(+2) Kendrick Lamar, Jay Rock - Money Trees 474,738 (-18,197)
73(+3) Peso Pluma - BYE 472,296 (-13,038)
77(-21) Lil Uzi Vert - Endless Fashion 465,378 (-81,842)
79(-2) Peso Pluma, Junior H - LUNA 463,577 (-20,777)
81(-8) Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, NAV, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie - Calling 461,524 (-30,221)
82(-2) Dominic Fike - Mona Lisa 460,018 (-23,352)
83(+6) Lil Durk, Morgan Wallen - Stand By Me 454,467 (-10,243)
84(+3) Miguel - Sure Thing 454,223 (-10,877)
85(-3) The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna - Popular 450,721 (-27,684)
86(+7) Bailey Zimmerman - Religiously 444,937 (-7,910)
90(-5) NewJeans - New Jeans 436,212 (-33,529)
91(+10) Yahritza Y Su Esencia, Grupo Frontera - Frágil 435,139 (+4,512)
92(-1) Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky, Roisee - Am I Dreaming 428,381 (-26,988)
93(-12) Young Thug, Drake - Oh U Went 427,943 (-51,034)
95(-17) Noah Kahan - Dial Drunk 422,929 (-60,830)
96(=) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 422,918 (-18,248)
100(-16) Taylor Swift - cardigan 414,081 (-56,783)
104(-2) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 404,854 (-23,972)
108(+16) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 395,191 (+7,698)
110(=) Kanye West - I Wonder 393,839 (-14,874)
117(+4) Post Malone - Chemical 380,356 (-12,042)
120(+9) Young Nudy, 21 Savage - Peaches & Eggplants 379,712 (-894)
121(-4) Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, Lil Wayne, Offset - Annihilate 379,442 (-21,180)
122(-11) Jordan Davis - Next Thing You Know 378,816 (-27,685)
124(+12) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 375,659 (+2,252)
126(+4) Tyler Hubbard - Dancin' in the Country 369,729-379,231 (-9,502)
128(-6) Doja Cat - Attention 368,701 (-21,609)
132(-17) Lil Uzi Vert - Aye 365,072 (-37,466)
133(+15) Jelly Roll - Need A Favor 364,092 (+4,551)
135(+10) Feid, Young Miko - Classy 101 358,156 (-4,609)
136(+10) Morgan Wallen - Ain't That Some 356,960 (-5,422)
139(-16) Taylor Swift - Lover 354,397 (-34,361)
140(+12) Jimin - Like Crazy 353,182 (-2,196)
141(+16) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 352,932 (+25)
145(-3) Metro Boomin, Coi Leray - Self Love 349,037 (-17,129)
146(+49) Myke Towers - LALA 344,683 (+22,599)
147(+21) Peso Pluma - RUBICON 344,499 (+3,177)
151(+10) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 340,595 (-8,130)
153(-18) Taylor Swift - Lavender Haze 340,382 (-33,532)
154(=) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 340,218 (-14,057)
155(+9) Peso Pluma, Edgardo Nuñez, Los Dareyes De La Sierra - VVS 339,116 (-7,596)
161(-2) Toosii - Favorite Song 336,178 (-15,304)
168(-65) Lil Tjay, YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Project Walls 330,209 (+93,935)
173(+12) Bakar - Hell N Back 327,377 (-443)
174(+15) Ice Spice, Nicki Minaj - Princess Diana 326,127 (+5,173)
177(-17) Taylor Swift - august 322,730 (-2,8734)
178(-29) Lyrical Lemonade, Juice WRLD, Cordae - Doomsday 322,249 (-37,108)
191(-91) Dominic Fike, Weezer - Think Fast 309,226 (-121,702)
192(+4) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 308,755 (-35,311)
193(re-entry) HARDY - TRUCK BED 308,276
195(-45) Lil Uzi Vert - Suicide Doors 306,280 (-50,821)
198(re-entry) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 305,622
Top 20 Without Speak Now TV
1. vampire
2. Last Night
3. fukumean
4. Cruel Summer
5. Ella Baila Sola
6. Fast Car
7. Kill Bill
8. un x100to
9. You Proof
10. La Bebe Remix
11. Flooded the Face
12. See You Again
13. WHERE SHE GOES
14. Super Shy
15. All My Life
16. El Azul
17. Wasted on You
18. LADY GAGA
19. Something in the Orange
20. Boy's a liar Pt. 2
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 10, 2023 6:53:51 GMT -5
Utopia I think might challenge for highest streaming debut of all time in the US depending on the features and especially it's quality, but idk about it selling above a million. However the fact that we're having that kind of conversation says everything you need to know about this album 500k+ seems doable There's no universe where Travis comes anywhere close to even trying to challenge the 740M+ US streaming record. I don't think enough people realize how hard it is to manage huge streaming numbers today, even with blockbuster albums. Moving forward, the only people I can see amassing upwards of 500M US streams with albums are Drake and Taylor and even then, as time goes on, they'll need more and more songs on their albums to manage that. Just a reminder, Astroworld debuted with 537,000 units [349.43M US streams and 270,000 pure sales, courtesy of bundles]. While Utopia is highly-anticipated, I don't think the hype for the album is anywhere near the same level of fever pitch Astroworld reached. If it indeed drops on the 28th, that's less than 2 weeks from when the album was announced and pre-orders for the fan-packs and box sets went live. Travis isn't Taylor Swift and even Taylor needs months to amass physical sales upwards of 400-500k units for her releases. The most I see Travis doing on the pure/physical sales front is 200-250k and that's being generous. If I wanna push it, I'll say 300k but I really don't see that happening. On the streaming end of things, Travis would be lucky to hit 500M US streams, even with a 20-30 track album [people tend to forget how much Sicko Mode carried that album on the streaming front and how unlikely it is that Travis scores a hit like that ever again]. In the same year when Post Malone released beerbongs & bentleys, which had about the same number of tracks as Astroworld, beerbongs & bentleys debuted with 431M US streams while Astroworld debuted with about 350M US streams. Overall, I think how well the album performs will depend mostly on how good it's perceived to be by the mainstream rap audience. I don't think today, features matter anymore on how well an album performs in its debut week. Audiences will tune out from an album quicker than you can say Jack Robinson if they don't feel like it's worth their time. Travis' best bet for a successful album era is hoping he's able to score at least one major hit off the album that carries the album for a couple months. Gunna and Lil Durk have both scored hits from their respective albums and it's doing wonders for them. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 10, 2023 11:12:54 GMT -5
There's no universe where Travis comes anywhere close to even trying to challenge the 740M+ US streaming record. I don't think enough people realize how hard it is to manage huge streaming numbers today, even with blockbuster albums. Moving forward, the only people I can see amassing upwards of 500M US streams with albums are Drake and Taylor and even then, as time goes on, they'll need more and more songs on their albums to manage that. First, let me reaffirm that 500 million in my opinion is absolutely doable. That's what we're looking at with Midnights which had 20 songs, and I assume Utopia should be a similar length. And let's remember - Midnights released last year, so we know that 500 milion and above is possible in the current streaming climate. What Utopia we certainly know will have that Taylor's album didn't is two things - an extensive list of features and massive live promo that should keep everyone's eyes on it throughout the week, which will make the drops more sustainable. I'm not taking hype into account because we've seen with Pink Tape that hype can get an album only so far if it's lacking in quality. And getting 500 milion is two thirds of the way towards 750 milion. I'm not saying that Travis will certainly take that record, but I am absolutely saying that he is one of the very few artists that may be challenging for it. If it's going to be beaten in the near future, then the person to beat it will be either Taylor with 1989 TV, Harry Styles with his new album or Travis with Utopia. Taylor Swift and Travis Scott are two very different entities. Taylor Swift is perhaps twice, if not thrice the streaming artist Travis Scott is today. Rap music as a genre peaked in streaming back in 2018 and has been slowly tapering off every year since. It's still the leading genre in terms of streaming consumption in the US, but it has stopped growing year-to-year compared to other genres like latin music, afrobeats music and country music. That effect is very noticeable this year not just because the heavy hitters aren't dropping or that the music that's dropped so far this year has sucked for the most part but because the rap streaming audience no longer has room to grow and whenever that happens, people tend to defer back to the older music they enjoyed instead of giving the newer music enough of a chance. Taylor, on the other hand, has been growing as a streaming artist since the turn of the 2020s decade, thanks mostly to her increased output (4 studio albums between 2019-2022, as well as 3 re-releases between 2021-2023). That's a lot of music and it has helped her transition her fanbase to now primarily consume her music via streaming (after the 3-year period her music was off streaming platforms from 2014-2017). In the time since Travis dropped his last album, Taylor has released 7 albums, essentially. The effect of rap music peaking on streaming will affect every rap artist, including Travis Scott, so regardless of the hype or even how good Utopia ends up being, there's a threshold the album won't surpass on streaming because Travis hasn't been growing his own streaming audience in any meaningful way since his last album. As for the streaming record being broken, I can see a 20+ track Drake album doing it but that's about it, so far, he's the only one to come close to the 750M mark for US streaming debuts and he's done it twice. Bad Bunny might pull upwards of 500M US streams with his next album but he'd need like 30 tracks to do it. Taylor's next album might break 600M US streams but even then, she'd need like 25-30 songs to pull it off and I don't see her stacking that many songs on future studio albums. Also, it won't be long till she herself peaks in terms of her growing streaming audience. Harry Styles' last album didn't even debut with 250M US streams so I don't get how you see him reaching 500M US streams, yet alone reaching 750M US streams with his next album when the most songs he's ever had on a solo album is 13 tracks. |
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Post by enwhy on Jul 10, 2023 12:21:20 GMT -5
Taylor Swift and Travis Scott are two very different entities. Taylor Swift is perhaps twice, if not thrice the streaming artist Travis Scott is today. Rap music as a genre peaked in streaming back in 2018 and has been slowly tapering off every year since. It's still the leading genre in terms of streaming consumption in the US, but it has stopped growing year-to-year compared to other genres like latin music, afrobeats music and country music. That effect is very noticeable this year not just because the heavy hitters aren't dropping or that the music that's dropped so far this year has sucked for the most part but because the rap streaming audience no longer has room to grow and whenever that happens, people tend to defer back to the older music they enjoyed instead of giving the newer music enough of a chance. Taylor, on the other hand, has been growing as a streaming artist since the turn of the 2020s decade, thanks mostly to her increased output (4 studio albums between 2019-2022, as well as 3 re-releases between 2021-2023). That's a lot of music and it has helped her transition her fanbase to now primarily consume her music via streaming (after the 3-year period her music was off streaming platforms from 2014-2017). In the time since Travis dropped his last album, Taylor has released 7 albums, essentially. The effect of rap music peaking on streaming will affect every rap artist, including Travis Scott, so regardless of the hype or even how good Utopia ends up being, there's a threshold the album won't surpass on streaming because Travis hasn't been growing his own streaming audience in any meaningful way since his last album. As for the streaming record being broken, I can see a 20+ track Drake album doing it but that's about it, so far, he's the only one to come close to the 750M mark for US streaming debuts and he's done it twice. Bad Bunny might pull upwards of 500M US streams with his next album but he'd need like 30 tracks to do it. Taylor's next album might break 600M US streams but even then, she'd need like 25-30 songs to pull it off and I don't see her stacking that many songs on future studio albums. Also, it won't be long till she herself peaks in terms of her growing streaming audience. Harry Styles' last album didn't even debut with 250M US streams so I don't get how you see him reaching 500M US streams, yet alone reaching 750M US streams with his next album when the most songs he's ever had on a solo album is 13 tracks. Just wanted to say this was a really interesting perspective and actually changed my mind on how big I expected Utopia to be. I'm a little surprised that rap is losing momentum on streaming though. As we know, Millenials/GenZ make up a huge portion of music streaming. And from the data I've seen, rap is possibly the most popular genre for that demographic. So why are rap artists having such a hard time getting traction right now? |
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Post by neel on Jul 10, 2023 13:43:27 GMT -5
Taylor Swift and Travis Scott are two very different entities. Taylor Swift is perhaps twice, if not thrice the streaming artist Travis Scott is today. Rap music as a genre peaked in streaming back in 2018 and has been slowly tapering off every year since. It's still the leading genre in terms of streaming consumption in the US, but it has stopped growing year-to-year compared to other genres like latin music, afrobeats music and country music. That effect is very noticeable this year not just because the heavy hitters aren't dropping or that the music that's dropped so far this year has sucked for the most part but because the rap streaming audience no longer has room to grow and whenever that happens, people tend to defer back to the older music they enjoyed instead of giving the newer music enough of a chance. Taylor, on the other hand, has been growing as a streaming artist since the turn of the 2020s decade, thanks mostly to her increased output (4 studio albums between 2019-2022, as well as 3 re-releases between 2021-2023). That's a lot of music and it has helped her transition her fanbase to now primarily consume her music via streaming (after the 3-year period her music was off streaming platforms from 2014-2017). In the time since Travis dropped his last album, Taylor has released 7 albums, essentially. The effect of rap music peaking on streaming will affect every rap artist, including Travis Scott, so regardless of the hype or even how good Utopia ends up being, there's a threshold the album won't surpass on streaming because Travis hasn't been growing his own streaming audience in any meaningful way since his last album. As for the streaming record being broken, I can see a 20+ track Drake album doing it but that's about it, so far, he's the only one to come close to the 750M mark for US streaming debuts and he's done it twice. Bad Bunny might pull upwards of 500M US streams with his next album but he'd need like 30 tracks to do it. Taylor's next album might break 600M US streams but even then, she'd need like 25-30 songs to pull it off and I don't see her stacking that many songs on future studio albums. Also, it won't be long till she herself peaks in terms of her growing streaming audience. Harry Styles' last album didn't even debut with 250M US streams so I don't get how you see him reaching 500M US streams, yet alone reaching 750M US streams with his next album when the most songs he's ever had on a solo album is 13 tracks. Just wanted to say this was a really interesting perspective and actually changed my mind on how big I expected Utopia to be. I'm a little surprised that rap is losing momentum on streaming though. As we know, Millenials/GenZ make up a huge portion of music streaming. And from the data I've seen, rap is possibly the most popular genre for that demographic. So why are rap artists having such a hard time getting traction right now? Because everything mainstream right now has been complete ass. The last great year for rap music was 2020. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 10, 2023 14:49:57 GMT -5
Taylor Swift and Travis Scott are two very different entities. Taylor Swift is perhaps twice, if not thrice the streaming artist Travis Scott is today. Rap music as a genre peaked in streaming back in 2018 and has been slowly tapering off every year since. It's still the leading genre in terms of streaming consumption in the US, but it has stopped growing year-to-year compared to other genres like latin music, afrobeats music and country music. That effect is very noticeable this year not just because the heavy hitters aren't dropping or that the music that's dropped so far this year has sucked for the most part but because the rap streaming audience no longer has room to grow and whenever that happens, people tend to defer back to the older music they enjoyed instead of giving the newer music enough of a chance. Taylor, on the other hand, has been growing as a streaming artist since the turn of the 2020s decade, thanks mostly to her increased output (4 studio albums between 2019-2022, as well as 3 re-releases between 2021-2023). That's a lot of music and it has helped her transition her fanbase to now primarily consume her music via streaming (after the 3-year period her music was off streaming platforms from 2014-2017). In the time since Travis dropped his last album, Taylor has released 7 albums, essentially. The effect of rap music peaking on streaming will affect every rap artist, including Travis Scott, so regardless of the hype or even how good Utopia ends up being, there's a threshold the album won't surpass on streaming because Travis hasn't been growing his own streaming audience in any meaningful way since his last album. As for the streaming record being broken, I can see a 20+ track Drake album doing it but that's about it, so far, he's the only one to come close to the 750M mark for US streaming debuts and he's done it twice. Bad Bunny might pull upwards of 500M US streams with his next album but he'd need like 30 tracks to do it. Taylor's next album might break 600M US streams but even then, she'd need like 25-30 songs to pull it off and I don't see her stacking that many songs on future studio albums. Also, it won't be long till she herself peaks in terms of her growing streaming audience. Harry Styles' last album didn't even debut with 250M US streams so I don't get how you see him reaching 500M US streams, yet alone reaching 750M US streams with his next album when the most songs he's ever had on a solo album is 13 tracks. Just wanted to say this was a really interesting perspective and actually changed my mind on how big I expected Utopia to be. I'm a little surprised that rap is losing momentum on streaming though. As we know, Millenials/GenZ make up a huge portion of music streaming. And from the data I've seen, rap is possibly the most popular genre for that demographic. So why are rap artists having such a hard time getting traction right now? Most young people who consume rap music already have accounts on various streaming platforms. The genre's audience was the quickest to take to streaming, which accounted for the massive streaming growth and the impressive numbers rappers have been putting up since like 2017 till now. That was always going to reach a break point and now it has. Other genres that were slower to take to streaming are the ones catching up now and that's why you're seeing artists in those genres growing their streaming audience and getting bigger year-after-year. As for nothing in rap seeming to stick on the charts so far this year, it's easy to blame it on mediocre music being released but that's never stopped stuff from taking off before. I think one possible reason is that the world is getting even more divided in terms of the things people are willing to actively pay attention to. We no longer have shared experiences and so at any point in time, it's hard to know what the biggest song or even movie or TV show is culturally because people are living in their own little clusters of what's cool and what's the best and the most popular. It's never been easier to disengage from what the general public is raving about. Rap is feeling it the most on the charts right now because rappers don't have pop radio to keep them afloat when the song streams start to dwindle the way pop singers do, so pop will be the last genre to feel the decline on the charts (if ever). |
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