Billboard Hot 100: 07/22/2023

[mms82]

Jul 10, 2023 14:49:57 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 10, 2023 12:21:20 GMT -5 enwhy said:

Just wanted to say this was a really interesting perspective and actually changed my mind on how big I expected Utopia to be.

I'm a little surprised that rap is losing momentum on streaming though. As we know, Millenials/GenZ make up a huge portion of music streaming. And from the data I've seen, rap is possibly the most popular genre for that demographic. So why are rap artists having such a hard time getting traction right now?

Most young people who consume rap music already have accounts on various streaming platforms. The genre's audience was the quickest to take to streaming, which accounted for the massive streaming growth and the impressive numbers rappers have been putting up since like 2017 till now. That was always going to reach a break point and now it has. Other genres that were slower to take to streaming are the ones catching up now and that's why you're seeing artists in those genres growing their streaming audience and getting bigger year-after-year. 

As for nothing in rap seeming to stick on the charts so far this year, it's easy to blame it on mediocre music being released but that's never stopped stuff from taking off before. I think one possible reason is that the world is getting even more divided in terms of the things people are willing to actively pay attention to. We no longer have shared experiences and so at any point in time, it's hard to know what the biggest song or even movie or TV show is culturally because people are living in their own little clusters of what's cool and what's the best and the most popular. It's never been easier to disengage from what the general public is raving about. Rap is feeling it the most on the charts right now because rappers don't have pop radio to keep them afloat when the song streams start to dwindle the way pop singers do, so pop will be the last genre to feel the decline on the charts (if ever). 

Excellent points! The monoculture in music really died with Old Town Road as the last moment uniting all segments of the music/GP world in knowing a song. I'm holding hope that a Travis Scott song off Utopia or a Drake song off of his next album can have at least God's Plan / Sicko Mode level ubiquity, but it's going to be harder and harder for the reasons you mentioned

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

thought Haunted would place higher, Isn't it like the standout track?
Edit: one of the standout tracks

[goldrush]

Jul 10, 2023 14:40:33 GMT -5 mms82 said:

I wonder why Back To December is doing the best of the re-recorded tracks? It wasn’t the most streamed song before the release, it wasn’t the most popular single from the album at all, and it’s not the first song from the album. It’s a great song, it’s just odd to be the best performing

On Spotify, Back To December is literally the 2nd most streamed on the OG album and was the most streamed before Enchanted went viral. It's the most streamed Speak Now single by far. Nothing about it is odd imo

[85la]

Jul 10, 2023 12:21:20 GMT -5 enwhy said:

Just wanted to say this was a really interesting perspective and actually changed my mind on how big I expected Utopia to be.

I'm a little surprised that rap is losing momentum on streaming though. As we know, Millenials/GenZ make up a huge portion of music streaming. And from the data I've seen, rap is possibly the most popular genre for that demographic. So why are rap artists having such a hard time getting traction right now?

Just speculation, but maybe rap is becoming a little less popular amongst some of the younger Gen Z audience?

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

Back to december is also one of her most beloved ballads

[neel]

Jul 10, 2023 15:08:20 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Jul 10, 2023 14:49:57 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Most young people who consume rap music already have accounts on various streaming platforms. The genre's audience was the quickest to take to streaming, which accounted for the massive streaming growth and the impressive numbers rappers have been putting up since like 2017 till now. That was always going to reach a break point and now it has. Other genres that were slower to take to streaming are the ones catching up now and that's why you're seeing artists in those genres growing their streaming audience and getting bigger year-after-year. 

As for nothing in rap seeming to stick on the charts so far this year, it's easy to blame it on mediocre music being released but that's never stopped stuff from taking off before. I think one possible reason is that the world is getting even more divided in terms of the things people are willing to actively pay attention to. We no longer have shared experiences and so at any point in time, it's hard to know what the biggest song or even movie or TV show is culturally because people are living in their own little clusters of what's cool and what's the best and the most popular. It's never been easier to disengage from what the general public is raving about. Rap is feeling it the most on the charts right now because rappers don't have pop radio to keep them afloat when the song streams start to dwindle the way pop singers do, so pop will be the last genre to feel the decline on the charts (if ever). 

Excellent points! The monoculture in music really died with Old Town Road as the last moment uniting all segments of the music/GP world in knowing a song. I'm holding hope that a Travis Scott song off Utopia or a Drake song off of his next album can have at least God's Plan / Sicko Mode level ubiquity, but it's going to be harder and harder for the reasons you mentioned

I truly blame covid for this in particular. Feel like "The Box" in the early months of 2020 was truly the last moment of this, even though it wasn't as huge as "Old Town Road" or "Sicko Mode". Wonder if this waning will soon result in rap losing it's title of "#1 genre in the country" it had since 2017 and if the title will go to country music soon.

[joshtheking]

Jul 10, 2023 15:30:41 GMT -5 shadowthehedgehogfan said:

thought Haunted would place higher, Isn't it like the standout track?
Edit: one of the standout tracks

Not really no. It's doing good to be above songs higher in the tracklist like Never Grow Up & Innocent

[hitsrus]

Jul 10, 2023 11:48:58 GMT -5 @mithras said:

Lippredicts/Talk of the Charts is predicting that only "I Can See You" will make the top ten. I'd be fine with that as it makes it more likely that both Cruel Summer and Karma will be right there with it. Three simultaneous top tens from three separate albums would certainly be a unique achievement.

Yes a pretty unique achievement.

Taylor would join The Beatles - who would have 3, 4 or 5 - depending on what technical details one wants to include or exclude.  (Early The Beatles discography in the US is quite the case study).

I am unsure with all the features in the 2000s if it has been done.  If it happens Billbiard will most likely do a bit on it.  So I will save my research time!

[eagle27]

Living in a suburb in the Northeast, I notice country music is becoming more popular, especially among men. It used to be uncool to listen to anything other than rap in the late 2010s but that pressure no longer seems as strong and many feel the quality and novelty of rap has died.

Early 2010s pop hits (Katy Perry, Rihanna, Bruno Mars) is now loved by almost all high schoolers and played way more than new pop hits within groups, so I feel like people are yearning for songs they can play that everyone knows, but that just doesn’t exist anymore with streaming/COVID.

[kimberly]

Jul 10, 2023 16:53:35 GMT -5 eagle27 said:

Living in a suburb in the Northeast, I notice country music is becoming more popular, especially among men. It used to be uncool to listen to anything other than rap in the late 2010s but that pressure no longer seems as strong and many feel the quality and novelty of rap has died.

Early 2010s pop hits (Katy Perry, Rihanna, Bruno Mars) is now loved by almost all high schoolers and played way more than new pop hits within groups, so I feel like people are yearning for songs they can play that everyone knows, but that just doesn’t exist anymore with streaming/COVID.

are you a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles by any chance?  :popcorn:

[awkwardowl]

Jul 10, 2023 14:40:33 GMT -5 mms82 said:

I wonder why Back To December is doing the best of the re-recorded tracks? It wasn’t the most streamed song before the release, it wasn’t the most popular single from the album at all, and it’s not the first song from the album. It’s a great song, it’s just odd to be the best performing

Just because it is best single of the original album. And it's aged better than Mine, which is the main competition here.

[pcg4]

I mean, everything that goes up must come down in a certain moment. Did people really expect rap to stay as the most popular genre in the US forever? 6 years is quite a lot and don't worry, it will return surely

[rideordie]

Y’all are overestimating Travis Scott. He’ll be lucky to pull 300k total units first week…

[neel]

Jul 10, 2023 17:45:28 GMT -5 pcg4 said:

I mean, everything that goes up must come down in a certain moment. Did people really expect rap to stay as the most popular genre in the US forever? 6 years is quite a lot and don't worry, it will return surely

Rock music managed to stay #1 for like near half a century with the many of sub genres evolved into over the decades until the club boom missed everything up. I expected hip hop to at least be in it's current state in like the Late 2020s.

[iHype.]

Jul 10, 2023 18:10:21 GMT -5 rideordie said:

Y’all are overestimating Travis Scott. He’ll be lucky to pull 300k total units first week…

He will easily do over 200K+ in streaming alone. Even Future's last album did 214K in streaming equivalents. 

He's selling 15 CD boxsets & 4 Vinyl variants on his webstore... so as for low balling the sales.

[HamedM1 💔]

Jul 10, 2023 12:59:35 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

^ If the prediction holds, the irony of TSOU both versions peaking at #41!

Swifties lettuce pray the TV can at least outpeak the original, truly a shame it is one of weakest performing singles to date.

[musiclife]

Jul 10, 2023 18:10:21 GMT -5 rideordie said:

Y’all are overestimating Travis Scott. He’ll be lucky to pull 300k total units first week…

How much did he do last time? I don't see it being that huge either regardless if he is selling all this stuff. He may do like 300-350.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jul 10, 2023 18:31:35 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jul 10, 2023 18:10:21 GMT -5 rideordie said:

Y’all are overestimating Travis Scott. He’ll be lucky to pull 300k total units first week…

He will easily do over 200K+ in streaming alone. Even Future's last album did 214K in streaming equivalents. 

He's selling 15 CD boxsets & 4 Vinyl variants on his webstore... so as for low balling the sales.

It will be interesting to see what happens with regards of both the Billboard 200 and Hot 100, considering the events and backlash that resulted in his semi-forced hiatus for a while.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[musiclife]

I don't get the gunna song. I think its terrible...

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 07/08/23

Taylor Swift - Speak Now (Taylor's Version) [22/22]
2(-1) I Can See You 1,655,912 (-425,814) (-20%)
5(-2) Back to December (Taylor's Version) 1,152,989 (-506,056) (-31%)
6(-2) Mine (Taylor's Version) 1,110,264 (-532,671) (-32%)
7(-2) Enchanted (Taylor's Version) 1,088,411 (-489,097) (-31%)
10(-4) Sparks Fly (Taylor's Version) 1,021,624 (-504,494) (-33%)
11(=) Castles Crumbling 975,079 (-426,367) (-30%)
12(-4) Better Than Revenge (Taylor's Version) 972,921 (-498,658) (-34%)
13(-4) Dear John (Taylor's Version) 966,745 (-486,258) (-33%)
14(-4) Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 943,319 (-470,053) (-33%)
16(-4) When Emma Falls in Love 910,666 (-417,399)
17(+1) Foolish One 897,974 (-342,658) (-28%)
18(-1) Electric Touch 877,287 (-404,017)
19(-5) Mean (Taylor's Version) 862,681 (-450,082)
20(-4) The Story of Us (Taylor's Version) 850,484 (-442,074)
21(-2) Haunted (Taylor's Version) 820,520 (-418,438)
22(-1) Timeless 817,401 (-349,677)
23(-1) Long Live (Taylor's Version) 786,700 (-338,223)
25(-2) Last Kiss (Taylor's Version) 766,621 (-296,330)
29(-5) Never Grow Up (Taylor's Version) 661,985 (-366,447)
33(-6) Ours (Taylor's Version) 617,819 (-313,196)
35(-9) Innocent (Taylor's Version) 613,319 (-336,722)
45(-16) Superman (Taylor's Version) 541,216 (-274,957)
Total Third Day Streams: 19,911,937 (-31%)

Top 10 Without Speak Now (Taylor's Version)
1(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 1,656,125 (-157,621) (-9%)
3(+4) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 1,380,428 (-135,070)
4(+9) Gunna - fukumean 1,252,072 (-62,511)
8(+7) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 1,069,561 (-226,598) (-17%)
9(+11) Eslabon Armado, Peso Pluma - Ella Baila Sola 1,055,516 (-124,943)
15(+10) Luke Combs - Fast Car 914,642 (-108,991)
24(+4) SZA - Kill Bill 769,388 (-75,230)
26(+5) Morgan Wallen - You Proof 708,344 (-56,925)
27(+7) Tyler the Creator, Kali Uchis - See You Again 689,734 (-38,816)
28(+2) Grupo Frontera, Bad Bunny - un x100to 680,020 (-101,688)

Other:
30(+2) Yng Lvcas, Peso Pluma - La Bebe Remix 660,938 (-92,947)
31(+2) Lil Uzi Vert - Flooded the Face 654,486 (-90,234)
32(+4) NewJeans - Super Shy 635,578 (-47,826)
34(+1) Bad Bunny - WHERE SHE GOES 617,514 (-96,741)
37(+4) Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange 608,750 (-44,623)
38([-1]) Lil Durk, J. Cole - All My Life 606,043 (-70,164)
40(-2) Junior H, Peso Pluma - El Azul 578,662 (-86,771)
41(-1) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 576,589 (-83,785)
42(+2) Fuerza Regida - SABOR FRESA 568,635 (-80,824)
43(=) Fuerza Regida - TQM 564,084 (-85,462)
47(+2) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 536,300 (-49,410)
48(+2) FIFTY FIFTY - Cupid (Twin Version) 531,975 (-52,337)
49(-2) Drake - Search & Rescue 531,032 (-69,644)
50(-4) Nicki Minaj, Ice Spice - Barbie World 530,094 (-75,138)
51(+1) Taylor Swift - Karma 528,100 (-44,953)
52(-4) Miley Cyrus - Flowers 526,432 (-68,624)
53(+1) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 505,010 (-58,057)
54(-1) Bizarrap, Peso Pluma - Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 55 490,015 (-81,000)
55(+5) Kali Uchis - Moonlight 482,820 (-32,327)
56(+1) Post Malone, Swae Lee - Sunflower 482,346 (-38,879)
57(-2) Peso Pluma, Grupo Frontera - TULUM 478,703 (-79,792)
58(+1) Metro Boomin, The Weeknd, 21 Savage - Creepin' 473,128 (-42,472)
59(-3) Taylor Swift - Style 469,317 (-64,607)
61(+5) SZA - Snooze 459,753 (-47,122)
62(-4) Lil Uzi Vert - Just Wanna Rock 458,782 (-58,264)
63(=) Kali - Area Codes 455,551 (-55,105)
64(+5) David Kushner - Daylight 448,307 (-26,684)
65(=) Rema, Selena Gomez - Calm Down 446,670 (-62,964)
66(-4) Peso Pluma - Por las Noches 446,164 (-65,597)
67(-6) Tainy, Bad Bunny - MOJABI GHOST 443,629 (-69,988) (-14%)
68(+2) Kendrick Lamar, Jay Rock - Money Trees 441,346 (-33,392)
72(-4) Taylor Swift - Blank Space 430,634 (-58,547)
79(+2) Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, NAV, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie - Calling 416,969 (-44,555)
80(+4) Miguel - Sure Thing 414,741 (-39,482)
81(-8) Peso Pluma - BYE 414,554 (-57,742)
84(+2) Bailey Zimmerman - Religiously 412,742 (-32,195)
85(=) The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna - Popular 407,806 (-42,915)
88(-5) Lil Durk, Morgan Wallen - Stand By Me 402,090 (-52,377)
89(+11) Taylor Swift - cardigan 401,169 (-12,912)
90(-11) Peso Pluma, Junior H - LUNA 400,979 (-62,598)
91(-14) Lil Uzi Vert - Endless Fashion 399,367 (-66,011)
93(+2) Noah Kahan - Dial Drunk 394,326 (-28,603)
94(-2) Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky, Roisee - Am I Dreaming 392,252 (-36,129)
95(-13) Dominic Fike - Mona Lisa 391,384 (-68,634)
96(+8) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 383,741 (-21,113)
99(-9) NewJeans - New Jeans 375,509 (-60,703) (-14%)

102(+8) Kanye West - I Wonder 373,545 (-20,294)
105(-14) Yahritza Y Su Esencia, Grupo Frontera - Frágil 369,351 (-65,788)
107(-14) Young Thug, Drake - Oh U Went 367,553 (-60,390)
108(-12) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 367,451 (-55,467)
115(-7) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 355,048 (-40,143)
116(+1) Post Malone - Chemical 352,408 (-27,948)
117(+7) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 351,560 (-24,099)
119(+2) Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, Lil Wayne, Offset - Annihilate 349,040 (-30,402)
120(=) Young Nudy, 21 Savage - Peaches & Eggplants 347,917 (-31,795)
121(+1) Jordan Davis - Next Thing You Know 346,302 (-32,514)
123(+18) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 342,876 (-10,056)
132(-6) Tyler Hubbard - Dancin' in the Country 330,932 (-38,797)
133(-5) Doja Cat - Attention 330,930 (-37,771)
135(-2) Jelly Roll - Need A Favor 328,464 (-35,628)
136(+15) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 327,267 (-13,328)
137(+3) Jimin - Like Crazy 326,394 (-26,788)
139(+29) Lil Tjay, YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Project Walls 325,162 (-5,047)
140(+6) Myke Towers - LALA 324,482 (-20,201)
142(+50) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 322,924 (+14,169)
145(=) Metro Boomin, Coi Leray - Self Love 321,122 (-27,915)
146(-7) Taylor Swift - Lover 320,760 (-33,637)
149(-13) Morgan Wallen - Ain't That Some 318,628 (-38,332)
150(+27) Taylor Swift - august 317,427 (-5,303)
151(+2) Taylor Swift - Lavender Haze 316,923 (-23,459)
153(re-entry) Taylor Swift - Love Story (Taylor's Version) 315,272
156(-24) Lil Uzi Vert - Aye 313,579 (-51,493)
157(DEBUT) FendiDa Rappa, Cardi B - Point Me 2 312,858
158(+3) Toosii - Favorite Song 311,201 (-24,977)
163(-28) Feid, Young Miko - Classy 101 309,505 (-48,651)
165(-11) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 305,547 (-34,671)
168(+5) Bakar - Hell N Back 304,597 (-22,780)
171(-24) Peso Pluma - RUBICON 300,538 (-43,961)
184(+14) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 291,214 (-14,408)
186(-31) Peso Pluma, Edgardo Nuñez, Los Dareyes De La Sierra - VVS 290,789 (-48,327)
187(-13) Ice Spice, Nicki Minaj - Princess Diana 288,606 (-37,521)
188(-10) Lyrical Lemonade, Juice WRLD, Cordae - Doomsday 288,215 (-34,034)
195(re-entry) Dave, Central Cee - Sprinter 283,164

Top 20 Without Speak Now TV
1. vampire
2. Last Night
3. fukumean
4. Cruel Summer
5. Ella Baila Sola
6. Fast Car
7. Kill Bill
8. You Proof
9. See You Again
10. un x100to

11. La Bebe Remix
12. Flooded the Face
13. Super Shy
14. WHERE SHE GOES
15. Wasted on You
16. Something in the Orange
17. All My Life
18. Boy's a liar Pt. 2
19. El Azul
20. LADY GAGA

[jasper0102]

Jul 10, 2023 12:51:02 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Well it seems You Proof, Dancin In The Country, and Boy’s A Liar are going recurrent this week.

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

how do you get AM strreaming numbers, anyway? Do you subscribe to see them?

[divasummer]

Jul 11, 2023 0:35:48 GMT -5 shadowthehedgehogfan said:

how do you get AM strreaming numbers, anyway? Do you subscribe to see them?

If AM is Apple Music I subscribe to it and there’s a charts opinion.
That shows a main Top 200 songs chart and then they also have sub genre charts.

[1^∞]

If Taylor manages to get a #24, #31, and #36 hit (and from lippredicts, she's on track to do all of them, however they are a lot more fragile that low), she'd have a song of each peak in the top 50

To any1 that has that data, what's the list for most top peaks like?, Taylor has up to #23 rn and Drake is at #30

[mrsomerton]

Jul 10, 2023 21:49:14 GMT -5 musiclife said:

I don't get the gunna song. I think its terrible...

fukumean? :3




But seriously, I think it’s fine.

[pcg4]

Jul 10, 2023 18:21:19 GMT -5 neel said:

Jul 10, 2023 17:45:28 GMT -5 pcg4 said:

I mean, everything that goes up must come down in a certain moment. Did people really expect rap to stay as the most popular genre in the US forever? 6 years is quite a lot and don't worry, it will return surely

Rock music managed to stay #1 for like near half a century with the many of sub genres evolved into over the decades until the club boom missed everything up. I expected hip hop to at least be in it's current state in like the Late 2020s.

Rock is an exception, not the norm. The teen pop bubble of the late 90s-early 2000 lasted even less than 6 years. The pop wave of the late 2000-mid 2010 lasted maybe 7/8 years. Even the 2000-dominated rap/r&b lasted for a similar period.
Like, also k-pop feels like it's past its prime of popularity, so why not hip hop?.
Country might be the next big thing, together with a resurgance of pop which i feel has been going on since 2020 and in which Taylor Swift is the main artist (and who knows if the main cause of the switch). As I said, tho, this doesn't mean rap will not be successful, pretty sure we'll have rap number ones, but probably not the dominance they had until this year

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Surprised no one's mentioned this but fukumean's the first non pop rap song to be a hit in awhile (Princess Diana faded fast after the initial week). Even if you don't like the song, kinda bizarre we've gone this far into the year without a big rap hit.

[musiclife]

Jul 11, 2023 6:48:15 GMT -5 mrsomerton said:

Jul 10, 2023 21:49:14 GMT -5 musiclife said:

I don't get the gunna song. I think its terrible...

fukumean? :3




But seriously, I think it’s fine.

Really? Lol I think it lacks a hook and the fukumean with the kid voice reminds me of that 2000s song Chain Hang Low which was cringe.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates | « 2023 » / « 07 » / « 11 »

1(=) Rema & Selena Gomez - Calm Down 106.10(+0.05)
2(=) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 94.07(+0.66)
3(=) Miley Cyrus - Flowers 89.99(+0.10)
4(=) Luke Combs - Fast Car 78.26(+0.62)
5(=) Taylor Swift - Karma 72.02(+0.29)
6(=) Metro Boomin, The Weeknd & 21 Savage - Creepin' 71.66(+0.12)
7(=) SZA - Snooze 64.14(+1.28)
8(=) Miguel - Sure Thing 58.68(+0.12)
9(=) Ed Sheeran - Eyes Closed 56.37(-0.09)

10(=) Lil Durk - All My Life (feat. J. Cole) 50.11(+0.89)

12(+2) Jelly Roll - Need A Favor 45.60(+0.56)

23(=) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 36.56(+1.05)

26(=) Luke Combs - Love You Anyway 30.78(+0.56)

31(+2) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 26.90(+0.67)