HITS: Taylor Swift #1 712k; also at #5, #7, #10, #15, #19+

[Choco]

No one is saying it will flop though. At the very least it's gonna reach #1 unlike the original. But if I had to introduce someone to Taylor Swift, that's easily the least essential album.

There's also a reason why no songs from it made the cut for The Eras Tour.

[suburbandreams]

Jul 8, 2023 19:41:42 GMT -5 Choco said:

No one is saying it will flop though. At the very least it's gonna reach #1 unlike the original. But if I had to introduce someone to Taylor Swift, that's easily the least essential album.

There's also a reason why no songs from it made the cut for The Eras Tour.

Yeah and ,for me, fearless is the more refined, higher budget version of debut. 

I do think our song should be an essential Taylor song so I hope the re-recording causes people to rediscover it. 

[Future Captain]

I'm pretty sure she have some things up her sleeve for Debut.

There's plenty of potential for her to spin an "ending where it all began" narrative for debut if it's the last one of the re-recordings, and I'm sure there are quite some interest among Swifties of further dives into her early days that could be integrated into the campaign for it when it comes.

Hell, the original Debut doing terrible in streaming these days means that she had nothing to lose if she essentially reworks the entire thing.

If they wants to, they CAN make the TV of Debut to be quite a big deal.

Edit: I got curious and actually checked out the thread for Debut and Fearless here and I'm surprised by just how many familiar names I saw there lol. Some of y'all had really been Swifties and also consistently posting here for over 16 years

[HolidayGuy]

"Tim McGraw," ""Teardrops on My Guitar," "Our Song" etc. are classic Swift. And they've appeared on the tour, just not as part of the regular setlist. I look forward to its eventual re-release, mostly for any "from the vault" tracks.

Anywho... her numbers continue to astound and be beyond impressive.

[musiclife]

The debut is an incredible album. My favorite is Stay Beautiful ❤️

[fearlessarrow]

Going into this week I didn't expect Speak Now TV to potentially pull higher numbers than Red TV (the ATW hype, it having bigger hits like WANEGBT, 22, and IKYWT [granted they ended up sounding the most lackluster compared to the original imo on the album]) but here we are. There's "Enchanted" which went viral but that's not what's propelling Speak Now TV at the moment and it might not hold as well as Red TV did in the medium to long-term, but this is an absolute win for her.

[ificanthaveyou]

Jul 9, 2023 6:35:21 GMT -5 fearlessarrow said:

Going into this week I didn't expect Speak Now TV to potentially pull higher numbers than Red TV (the ATW hype, it having bigger hits like WANEGBT, 22, and IKYWT [granted they ended up sounding the most lackluster compared to the original imo on the album]) but here we are. There's "Enchanted" which went viral but that's not what's propelling Speak Now TV at the moment and it might not hold as well as Red TV did in the medium to long-term, but this is an absolute win for her.

And with 1989 possibly next, she may continue to see gains between each TV she releases.

[GrinningLikeADevil]

I think Taylor could really increase the hype around the debut rerecording if she includes the Beautiful Eyes EP on it, since that has never been available on streaming afaik.

[kimberly]

Jul 9, 2023 11:48:37 GMT -5 GrinningLikeADevil said:

I think Taylor could really increase the hype around the debut rerecording if she includes the Beautiful Eyes EP on it, since that has never been available on streaming afaik.

probably depends on whether those songs are still at Walmart's mercy, since they had the publishing rights originally and were/are the sole retailer for that EP. if they are, maybe they can compromise and get her to do a Walmart-exclusive vinyl or something (and let her put the re-recordings on streaming).

[85la]

Jul 9, 2023 11:48:37 GMT -5 GrinningLikeADevil said:

I think Taylor could really increase the hype around the debut rerecording if she includes the Beautiful Eyes EP on it, since that has never been available on streaming afaik.

That could work well, however I also think they might (or at least I think it would be a good marketing tactic) to package the debut with or release it the same week as Reputation, as these are probably the two least-in-demand amongst her rerecordings. And since these were the first and last albums from her old deal, she could spin the narrative as "the beginning and ending of my rerecording journey, all rolled into one."

Don't get me wrong, I was around here when her debut was first emerging and it was definitely a big album and I actually like the singles from it better than Fearless (many people still don't realize that Teardrops on My Guitar and Our Song were fairly big crossover hits from the beginning), however it's no secret that it's probably the least-anticipated of her re-releases and might have trouble holding its own. Plus, though the re-releases are making money, I kind of get the sense she doesn't want to drag them out for tooo long and that in some ways it might hinder her future releases.

[Ivy Leegue™]

I'll prob give the debut re-release a curiosity listen, but to say I was not a fan of Taylor's at that time would be a gross understatement. I'm so happy for the success of Speak Now re-release. She deserves it for an album so incredibly important to her.

[†ealsünset]

Jul 8, 2023 22:07:06 GMT -5 musiclife said:

The debut is an incredible album. My favorite is Stay Beautiful ❤️

Mine too!

[iHype.]

Debut was definitely a hugely successful album in US, and is one of the most successful albums ever. It's just that for *her* colossal standards and the subsequent heights she reached following it has become such an after thought. It was also never really a known album outside her home market.

I think it will be the most interesting TV in the sense of it the most different album from who she is today. Her voice sounded completely different and the songs sound so low-budget/amateur production wise. It's almost like a compilation of demos before the true Taylor emerged. So is she going to try to stick to the songs sounding the same (in that awkward teenage country voice with cheap production) or is she going to be daring and try to completely revamp how she approaches recording them again as someone in her mid 30s? 

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

[born]

I'm kinda scared for the two pop albums' opening weeks. She can definitely push 1989 to +1m if she wants it. And it would be insane to have essentially the same album debut with 1 million again, 10 years later.

[Choco]

Jul 9, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

I think that vault will be the perfect time to call some heavyweight collaborators and features.

[mms82]

Debut has some of her best unreleased/not on streaming songs and lots of them (like Dark Blue Tennessee / I’d Lie / I Heart?)

Also for fun some highlights from debut era threads:

Jan 17, 2007 0:11:11 GMT -5 musicbuff78 said:

Picture to Burn is the absolute WORST song on that CD imo....well that coaster of a CD. Man was I disappointed. 2 good songs and that's it. I think after Tim McGraw runs its course, that she will have ran her course as well. As much as I wanted to like her, I was just greatly disappointed.

Dec 14, 2006 12:42:25 GMT -5 Uncle Lumpy said:

I dont get this chic. I mean this single is okay.....at best. But am I the only one on this board that thinks shes completely tone deaf?

Dec 14, 2006 16:10:16 GMT -5 onevoice20 said:

lumpster said:

No, I just think shes majorly overrated. I don't find her talent particularly unusual or spectacular. I'm not discrediting her as an artist, just saying that she isn't as prodigious as people are making her out to be.

[Future Captain]

Jul 9, 2023 17:25:26 GMT -5 Choco said:

Jul 9, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -5 iHype. said:

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

I think that vault will be the perfect time to call some heavyweight collaborators and features.

Maybe not heavyweight anymore these days, but I think a Carrie Underwood feature for a Debut vault would be fun.

[nickd]

Jul 9, 2023 12:55:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Jul 9, 2023 11:48:37 GMT -5 GrinningLikeADevil said:

I think Taylor could really increase the hype around the debut rerecording if she includes the Beautiful Eyes EP on it, since that has never been available on streaming afaik.

That could work well, however I also think they might (or at least I think it would be a good marketing tactic) to package the debut with or release it the same week as Reputation, as these are probably the two least-in-demand amongst her rerecordings. And since these were the first and last albums from her old deal, she could spin the narrative as "the beginning and ending of my rerecording journey, all rolled into one."

Don't get me wrong, I was around here when her debut was first emerging and it was definitely a big album and I actually like the singles from it better than Fearless (many people still don't realize that Teardrops on My Guitar and Our Song were fairly big crossover hits from the beginning), however it's no secret that it's probably the least-anticipated of her re-releases and might have trouble holding its own. Plus, though the re-releases are making money, I kind of get the sense she doesn't want to drag them out for tooo long and that in some ways it might hinder her future releases.

Pffffff you really think Taylor is going to intentionally block herself out of #1? 

[85la]

Jul 9, 2023 21:28:43 GMT -5 nickd said:

Jul 9, 2023 12:55:36 GMT -5 85la said:

That could work well, however I also think they might (or at least I think it would be a good marketing tactic) to package the debut with or release it the same week as Reputation, as these are probably the two least-in-demand amongst her rerecordings. And since these were the first and last albums from her old deal, she could spin the narrative as "the beginning and ending of my rerecording journey, all rolled into one."

Don't get me wrong, I was around here when her debut was first emerging and it was definitely a big album and I actually like the singles from it better than Fearless (many people still don't realize that Teardrops on My Guitar and Our Song were fairly big crossover hits from the beginning), however it's no secret that it's probably the least-anticipated of her re-releases and might have trouble holding its own. Plus, though the re-releases are making money, I kind of get the sense she doesn't want to drag them out for tooo long and that in some ways it might hinder her future releases.

Pffffff you really think Taylor is going to intentionally block herself out of #1? 

I don't know, I just think if they're packaged together and marketed in that way, as "the beginning and end of her rerecording journey all rolled into one," it could possibly help each album's performance more than if they were to each stand alone, as well as not drag out the rerecording process for too long and possibly endanger the success and demand for her future studio albums.

[ificanthaveyou]

Jul 9, 2023 21:40:41 GMT -5 85la said:

Jul 9, 2023 21:28:43 GMT -5 nickd said:

Pffffff you really think Taylor is going to intentionally block herself out of #1? 

I don't know, I just think if they're packaged together and marketed in that way, as "the beginning and end of her rerecording journey all rolled into one," it could possibly help each album's performance more than if they were to each stand alone, as well as not drag out the rerecording process for too long and possibly endanger the success and demand for her future studio albums.

TS (TV) will easily sell AT LEAST 200k and debut at #1 on most weeks of the year. No reason for her to do this especially with the crazy momentum she has. If anything, she can load the Vault songs with some really big features to increase excitement if she really has any worries. It’ll be another chance for her to go full country and not be considered regressing.

[85la]

Jul 9, 2023 18:06:53 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Debut has some of her best unreleased/not on streaming songs and lots of them (like Dark Blue Tennessee / I’d Lie / I Heart?)

Also for fun some highlights from debut era threads:

Jan 17, 2007 0:11:11 GMT -5 musicbuff78 said:

Picture to Burn is the absolute WORST song on that CD imo....well that coaster of a CD. Man was I disappointed. 2 good songs and that's it. I think after Tim McGraw runs its course, that she will have ran her course as well. As much as I wanted to like her, I was just greatly disappointed.

Dec 14, 2006 12:42:25 GMT -5 Uncle Lumpy said:

I dont get this chic. I mean this single is okay.....at best. But am I the only one on this board that thinks shes completely tone deaf?

Dec 14, 2006 16:10:16 GMT -5 onevoice20 said:

No, I just think shes majorly overrated. I don't find her talent particularly unusual or spectacular. I'm not discrediting her as an artist, just saying that she isn't as prodigious as people are making her out to be.

To be fair though, you can't fault them too much if the main thing they have to go on is Tim McGraw up to that point! That clearly wasn't one of her best singles and kind of a head-scratcher of a choice to launch her as an artist. I don't know why they didn't just go with Teardrops On My Guitar, though obviously that went on to be much bigger.

[nickd]

Jul 9, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Debut was definitely a hugely successful album in US, and is one of the most successful albums ever. It's just that for *her* colossal standards and the subsequent heights she reached following it has become such an after thought. It was also never really a known album outside her home market.

I think it will be the most interesting TV in the sense of it the most different album from who she is today. Her voice sounded completely different and the songs sound so low-budget/amateur production wise. It's almost like a compilation of demos before the true Taylor emerged. So is she going to try to stick to the songs sounding the same (in that awkward teenage country voice with cheap production) or is she going to be daring and try to completely revamp how she approaches recording them again as someone in her mid 30s? 

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

Most of the leaked unreleased songs are from that era I think, and plenty of them are at least as good as the bottom half of what she did release from the album. There's a bit less thematic variety with the unreleased songs though since they're mostly about longing and loss of love, and putting people in their place. Many of the best songs on Debut are along those themes (Teardrops, Should've Said No, Tim McGraw, Cold As You, Picture To Burn) since that was her wheelhouse (still kind of is), but I can see how she wanted to add songs about other topics like Tied Together With A Smile, The Outside and A Place In This World.


There's dozens of songs she could pick from that would be perfectly serviceable teen pop that could've gone on some Disney girl album. Well technically a couple did - Crazier and You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home - and I'd say songs like Welcome Distraction, Diary of Me, Need You Now, Better Off, What To Wear and Writing Songs About You are on that level.

My picks would be This Is Really Happening, Permanent Marker, Dark Blue Tennessee, Never Mind, What Do You Say and hmm I need to re-listen to them to see which other ones I like most. Then I guess she might as well throw in Beautiful Eyes, I Heart? and Crazier too.

This Is Really Happening was actually released by an other aspiring artist (Britni Hoover) though so I'm not sure if Taylor still has the rights to it or how that works. Bein With My Baby was another early song she licensed to another artist (Shea Fischer), so you can listen to both of those on Spotify.


Also, unlike the released songs from her debut where there might be push-back if she changes the production, with the unreleased songs, she has more leeway to rework the production.


Edit: just re-listening to What Do You Say for the first time in a while. Man that song is more of a dopamine overdose than Christmas Tree Farm...

[nickd]

Jul 9, 2023 21:14:21 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

Jul 9, 2023 17:25:26 GMT -5 Choco said:

I think that vault will be the perfect time to call some heavyweight collaborators and features.

Maybe not heavyweight anymore these days, but I think a Carrie Underwood feature for a Debut vault would be fun.

Which song should she do with Carrie:

Who I've Always Been?
Permanent Marker?
R.E.V.E.N.G.E.?
Sweet Tea and God's Graces?

[nickd]

BTW, I was looking at the scrobbles:listener ratio of Taylor's unreleased songs on last.fm. I think it's a decent way to gauge what are the best songs since total scrobbles might depend on how widely the unreleased songs were circulated. The ratio will tell you how many times the average person who heard it re-listened to it.

Here are the ratios for Debut for comparison in terms of songs we can actually listen to

9.19 Picture To Burn
8.65 Our Song
8.54 Should've Said No
7.55 Mary's Song
7.48 Tim McGraw
7.45 I'm Only Me When I'm With You
7.37 Cold As You
7.32 Teardrops On My Guitar (Album Version)
7.26 Teardrops On My Guitar (Single Version)
6.74 Invisible
6.45 Stay Beautiful
6.42 Tied Together With A Smile *I think this is a good song, but maybe hard to listen to for many
6.39 The Outside
6.38 A Place In This World
6.36 A Perfectly Good Heart

I think that's a pretty accurate album ranking. My personal favorites are Our Song and SSN, but Picture To Burn is still a catchy banger and I think it's gone viral on Tik Tok a while back.

You All Over Me and We Were Happy were unreleased songs being circulated among fans before being released with Fearless TV. Here are the scrobble:listener ratios for those

10.77 You All Over Me (Fearless TV re-recording)
8.00 You All Over Me (original studio recording)
7.98 We Were Happy (Fearless TV re-recording)
7.76 We Were Happy (original studio recording)

So it seems like the mid 2000s version of those two songs have slightly lower listenability than the re-recordings, which I agree with. Even the unreleased song files that are in the form of studio recordings are generally not of the best quality in terms of vocals, sound quality, etc.

Here are the ratios for other songs that are publicly available

10.66 I'd Lie (special edition of Debut album)
9.52 Beautiful Eyes (Beautiful Eyes EP)
8.84 I Heart? (Beautiful Eyes EP)
8.62 Your Face (live acoustic - www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFL2N9NxfXQ&ab_channel=TaylorGuitars )
8.20 Crazier (Hannah Montana soundtrack)
8.13 Your Anything (live acoustic - www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9nL2UNB3Bk&ab_channel=officialtaylorguitar )

I think I'd Lie wasn't properly released due to plagiarism issues with Saving Jane's Girl Next Door but I'm not sure. Aside from that, I agree it's a good song though. I Heart? slaps so I personally prefer it to Beautiful Eyes.

Now for the unreleased songs, these ones were studio demos or roughly equal quality (in terms of the recording/production)

10.89 Dark Blue Tennessee
9.76 Drive All Night
9.61 This Is Really Happening
9.47 Need You Now
8.87 Never Mind (Pop Version)
8.27 Permanent Marker
7.62 Sweet Tea and God's Graces
7.49 What To Wear
7.42 Brought Up That Way
7.15 Diary of Me
6.97 Thirteen Blocks
6.73 Tell Me
6.39 What Do You Say
6.31 Smokey Black Nights
6.10 Better Off
6.08 Welcome Distraction
5.80 Wait For Me
5.77 Long Time Coming
5.55 Never Mind (Country Version)
5.49 My Cure
5.39 Writing Songs About You
5.30 I Know What I Want
5.11 Who I've Always Been

Funny enough Permanent Marker is a song she was promoting a decent bit during Debut era - performing it several times. Even though it was never released...
Also I personally like Who I've Always Been, very CUNTry Taylor. But I agree the 7.50+ songs are very solid and would make great additions to the TV.

There's a couple other studio demos, but they're lower quality imo in terms of the production/sound quality, which would explain the lower ratios. R-E-V-E-N-G-E is a banger, but Making Up For Lost Love doesn't need to go on the TV imo.

6.46 One Thing
5.81 R-E-V-E-N-G-E
4.47 Making Up For Lost Love

And then there's some low quality live acoustic demos, some could be good as far as the songwriting but needs some imagination to make it good because the sound quality sucks and there's no production. The vocals are also pretty rough on some of them, she sounds really young. For the most part, I think these aren't as good (as the ratios reflect) and that there's a reason why they weren't worked into studio demos.

7.38 All Night Diner
6.70 Stupid Boy
6.23 By The Way
5.53 Being With My Baby
5.25 Closest To A Cowboy
5.14 Live For The Little Things
4.11 Till Brad Pitt Comes Along
3.68 Never Fade
3.63 Tennessee
3.59 Perfect Have I Loved

[Codex]

Jul 9, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Debut was definitely a hugely successful album in US, and is one of the most successful albums ever. It's just that for *her* colossal standards and the subsequent heights she reached following it has become such an after thought. It was also never really a known album outside her home market.

I think it will be the most interesting TV in the sense of it the most different album from who she is today. Her voice sounded completely different and the songs sound so low-budget/amateur production wise. It's almost like a compilation of demos before the true Taylor emerged. So is she going to try to stick to the songs sounding the same (in that awkward teenage country voice with cheap production) or is she going to be daring and try to completely revamp how she approaches recording them again as someone in her mid 30s? 

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

It's hilarious to go back and listen to Our Song. I wonder if she was faking the country accent at the time, or if she just lost it abruptly. Calculating queen even at 16 <3

Jul 9, 2023 18:06:53 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Also for fun some highlights from debut era threads:

My favorite is this one

Jun 30, 2006 20:53:36 GMT -5 ryan789 said:

Cute blonde... Nothing much to her voice other than she can carry a tune. Very sweet. The song...nope, not for me. Try again. Photogenic, yes.

Serving

[suburbandreams]

Jul 10, 2023 4:49:31 GMT -5 Codex said:

Jul 9, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Debut was definitely a hugely successful album in US, and is one of the most successful albums ever. It's just that for *her* colossal standards and the subsequent heights she reached following it has become such an after thought. It was also never really a known album outside her home market.

I think it will be the most interesting TV in the sense of it the most different album from who she is today. Her voice sounded completely different and the songs sound so low-budget/amateur production wise. It's almost like a compilation of demos before the true Taylor emerged. So is she going to try to stick to the songs sounding the same (in that awkward teenage country voice with cheap production) or is she going to be daring and try to completely revamp how she approaches recording them again as someone in her mid 30s? 

The vault tracks I'm not sure would be interesting. Just quality/critically wise... the debut is by far her least remarkable effort. So if most the songs that actually *did make* the original release are bottom of her discography, I'm not really sure how the songs that were deemed too weak to make the album will be much better. 

It's hilarious to go back and listen to Our Song. I wonder if she was faking the country accent at the time, or if she just lost it abruptly. Calculating queen even at 16 <3

She moved to nashville in high school. Kids at that age pick up accents pretty easily. It's common for people to have multiple accents and you just naturally switch what accent you are using to fit into whatever your group you are with. Like Taylor will probably sounds a bit more Southern when talking to Abigial.

But also basically all country singers don't naturally speak with the  exaggerated country accent they use in their songs. It's just a genre convention. Like Keith Urban uses a southern accent and he's from Australia.  Outside country,  British singers usually put on American accents when they sing.

[musiclife]

Jul 10, 2023 1:05:56 GMT -5 nickd said:

BTW, I was looking at the scrobbles:listener ratio of Taylor's unreleased songs on last.fm. I think it's a decent way to gauge what are the best songs since total scrobbles might depend on how widely the unreleased songs were circulated. The ratio will tell you how many times the average person who heard it re-listened to it.

Here are the ratios for Debut for comparison in terms of songs we can actually listen to

9.19 Picture To Burn
8.65 Our Song
8.54 Should've Said No
7.55 Mary's Song
7.48 Tim McGraw
7.45 I'm Only Me When I'm With You
7.37 Cold As You
7.32 Teardrops On My Guitar (Album Version)
7.26 Teardrops On My Guitar (Single Version)
6.74 Invisible
6.45 Stay Beautiful
6.42 Tied Together With A Smile *I think this is a good song, but maybe hard to listen to for many
6.39 The Outside
6.38 A Place In This World
6.36 A Perfectly Good Heart

I think that's a pretty accurate album ranking. My personal favorites are Our Song and SSN, but Picture To Burn is still a catchy banger and I think it's gone viral on Tik Tok a while back.

You All Over Me and We Were Happy were unreleased songs being circulated among fans before being released with Fearless TV. Here are the scrobble:listener ratios for those

10.77 You All Over Me (Fearless TV re-recording)
8.00 You All Over Me (original studio recording)
7.98 We Were Happy (Fearless TV re-recording)
7.76 We Were Happy (original studio recording)

So it seems like the mid 2000s version of those two songs have slightly lower listenability than the re-recordings, which I agree with. Even the unreleased song files that are in the form of studio recordings are generally not of the best quality in terms of vocals, sound quality, etc.

Here are the ratios for other songs that are publicly available

10.66 I'd Lie (special edition of Debut album)
9.52 Beautiful Eyes (Beautiful Eyes EP)
8.84 I Heart? (Beautiful Eyes EP)
8.62 Your Face (live acoustic - www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFL2N9NxfXQ&ab_channel=TaylorGuitars )
8.20 Crazier (Hannah Montana soundtrack)
8.13 Your Anything (live acoustic - www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9nL2UNB3Bk&ab_channel=officialtaylorguitar )

I think I'd Lie wasn't properly released due to plagiarism issues with Saving Jane's Girl Next Door but I'm not sure. Aside from that, I agree it's a good song though. I Heart? slaps so I personally prefer it to Beautiful Eyes.

Now for the unreleased songs, these ones were studio demos or roughly equal quality (in terms of the recording/production)

10.89 Dark Blue Tennessee
9.76 Drive All Night
9.61 This Is Really Happening
9.47 Need You Now
8.87 Never Mind (Pop Version)
8.27 Permanent Marker
7.62 Sweet Tea and God's Graces
7.49 What To Wear
7.42 Brought Up That Way
7.15 Diary of Me
6.97 Thirteen Blocks
6.73 Tell Me
6.39 What Do You Say
6.31 Smokey Black Nights
6.10 Better Off
6.08 Welcome Distraction
5.80 Wait For Me
5.77 Long Time Coming
5.55 Never Mind (Country Version)
5.49 My Cure
5.39 Writing Songs About You
5.30 I Know What I Want
5.11 Who I've Always Been

Funny enough Permanent Marker is a song she was promoting a decent bit during Debut era - performing it several times. Even though it was never released...
Also I personally like Who I've Always Been, very CUNTry Taylor. But I agree the 7.50+ songs are very solid and would make great additions to the TV.

There's a couple other studio demos, but they're lower quality imo in terms of the production/sound quality, which would explain the lower ratios. R-E-V-E-N-G-E is a banger, but Making Up For Lost Love doesn't need to go on the TV imo.

6.46 One Thing
5.81 R-E-V-E-N-G-E
4.47 Making Up For Lost Love

And then there's some low quality live acoustic demos, some could be good as far as the songwriting but needs some imagination to make it good because the sound quality sucks and there's no production. The vocals are also pretty rough on some of them, she sounds really young. For the most part, I think these aren't as good (as the ratios reflect) and that there's a reason why they weren't worked into studio demos.

7.38 All Night Diner
6.70 Stupid Boy
6.23 By The Way
5.53 Being With My Baby
5.25 Closest To A Cowboy
5.14 Live For The Little Things
4.11 Till Brad Pitt Comes Along
3.68 Never Fade
3.63 Tennessee
3.59 Perfect Have I Loved

Good list but Permanent Marker wasn't going to be on her debut. It was actually going to be on Fearless, but they took it off in favor of Forever And Always. Which was an amazing decision.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

"Permanent Marker" better be on TS (TV)! It's one that I'm most looking forward to! A cute lil teen bop!

[nickd]

Jul 10, 2023 5:06:42 GMT -5 suburbandreams said:

Jul 10, 2023 4:49:31 GMT -5 Codex said:

It's hilarious to go back and listen to Our Song. I wonder if she was faking the country accent at the time, or if she just lost it abruptly. Calculating queen even at 16 <3

She moved to nashville in high school. Kids at that age pick up accents pretty easily. It's common for people to have multiple accents and you just naturally switch what accent you are using to fit into whatever your group you are with. Like Taylor will probably sounds a bit more Southern when talking to Abigial.

But also basically all country singers don't naturally speak with the  exaggerated country accent they use in their songs. It's just a genre convention. Like Keith Urban uses a southern accent and he's from Australia.  Outside country,  British singers usually put on American accents when they sing.

Apparently she talks to Abigail in a Minnesota accent. Or at least used to.




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Apparently she already picked up a country accent when she was in Pennsylvania from listening to country music and singing it at karaoke bars constantly. She was in a children's broadway style theatre group and her director was trying to get her to drop the southern twang when she was playing the character of Sandy from Grease. I guess it only got stronger once she moved to Nashville. Kaylin (the source from this) was a close friend of hers back in Reading.

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