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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 21, 2023 16:21:31 GMT -5
See I don’t have a problem with Last Night being so popular. I absolutely do not support Morgan Wallen and a BIG reason the song took off the way it did is because racists use him as a covert way to endorse their beliefs the same way they do with “Let’s Go Brandon”. However, LN is an innocent enough song and appeals to a wide audience regardless of how you feel about Wallen. HOWEVER, Aldean’s song is literally political fodder that uses the hate and fear that Republicans have right now to sell itself. When’s the last time a song sold 200k in a single week, let alone a country song? If you want to make a quick buck in today’s climate, do or say something RACIST and be lauded with support by conservative America is the new “get rich quick” scheme. We need to let go of this false narrative. Did conservatives support him when he said the "N" word? Yes. But, conservatives move from one cause to the next. Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long -- and that was years ago. Last Night took off because the song connected with people in Country, Pop, and HAC radio. Plain and simple. Further -- Morgan and Jason are not the same. Morgan doesn't make politically charged songs. None of his songs can be associated with Republicanism or "Let's Go Brandon. He makes Country songs based on the same tropes the genre has consistently used: beer, women, trucks, whiskey, country roads, etc. Importantly, Morgan took action (whether he personally changed or not, I don't know and neither do any of us) by donating half a million dollars to black organizations. Jason, on the other hand, is openly bigoted and so is his annoying wife who may even be worse. Lol and how do you intend to prove that? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 21, 2023 16:21:41 GMT -5
7/21/2023 By Jessica Nicholson
Consumption of the country song has exploded since its music video began causing an uproar earlier this week.
Sales and streams of Jason Aldean‘s single “Try That in a Small Town” have surged, following controversy that erupted this week surrounding the song and its corresponding music video.
After selling around 1,000 copies of the song each day from July 14 through July 17, according to preliminary reports from Luminate, sales rose after Billboard’s July 18 exclusive that CMT had pulled the video. The song earned 12,000 in sales on July 18, before surging to 108,000 in sales on July 19 and 103,000 in sales on July 20. The latest sales total for the week (July 14-20) is 227,000, according to the preliminary reports.
U.S. official on-demand daily streams of “Try That in a Small Town” also exploded over the past week.
After earning 204,000 official U.S. on-demand streams on July 14, and then dipping to 194,000 on July 15 and 174,000 on July 16, streams rose 24.3% to 216,000 on July 17, then surged 178% on July 18 to 600,000. On July 19, U.S. official on-demand streams of “Try That in a Small Town” skyrocketed to 3.2 million, a 440.2% increase.
The sales and streaming spikes come the same week social media commenters began questioning the song’s lyrics and the video’s imagery — with many calling it racist and anti-protest. “Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn. — the same location where a lynch mob murdered a Black man, Henry Choate, in 1927 — with an American flag hanging from the entrance. The performance is interspersed with footage of a flag burning, protesters screaming and attacking police in various scenarios as well as looting and robbing a convenience store.
Artists including Sheryl Crow and Margo Price have spoken out against Aldean and/or the song and video, while others, including Aldean’s labelmate Blanco Brown, have defended the singer.
Aldean issued a statement on July 18 that read in part, “In the past 24 hours I have been accused of releasing a pro-lynching song (a song that has been out since May) and was subject to a comparison that I (direct quote) was not too pleased with the nationwide BLM protests. These references are not only meritless, but dangerous. There is not a single lyric in the song that references race or points to it and there isn’t a single video clip that isn’t real news footage- and while I can try and respect others to have their own interpretation of a song with music- this one goes too far.”
In the week since it was released, the official music video for “Try That in a Small Town” has now been viewed more than 9 million times on YouTube. On the morning of July 18, before the controversy broke, it had been viewed around 350,000 times.
In terms of radio airplay, on last week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 15), “Try That in a Small Town” rose one spot from 26-25, though it declined 2% in audience impressions for the week. On this week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 22), the song holds at No. 25 but gained 16% to 6.5 million audience impressions in its ninth week on the chart.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 16:33:51 GMT -5
I just wanna say Last Night isn't big cause of conservatives. It's a pop culture song and took off because it has pretty lyrics, a nice melody, and Morgan can SING.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 16:40:41 GMT -5
How is the song itself racist? It doesn't mention race in the slightest bit. Since others are responding in a kind of snippy way, I will give you a genuine response. You are correct in the fact that the song is not outright blatantly racist. The racism claims come from the fact that, historically, "small-town-good-old-boys-taking-care-of-their-own" has connotations of white supremacy, cross burnings, racially-motivated beatings, lynchings, etc. Aldean can say "No, it's about neighbors taking care of neighbors and having pride in your community!" all he wants, but at the end of the day it doesn't take those connotations away.....especially when he films the music video in a location where a famous lynching once happened.
ultimately, the depth of the racist intent is definitely up for debate, but there is no denying that the entire intent of the song is to unite the common folk against some type of "other". Which is why so many people interpret it as leaning into the negative connotations of the good-old-boy mentality. There would simply be no reason at all for this song to "otherize" people or sound so angry if the intent was just loving your neighbors like Jason claims...
Hopefully that all makes sense :)
Thank you. Now I can previously go on record as I said before about the location of the video. That's the party that is wrong. No arguments here. However, I just think that small towns stick together more than big cities do, and just handling things differently in a small town doesn't mean it's racist. Yes, there were some truly awful stuff that happened in the past in small towns, but I don't think he was directly trying to make it a race thing. It just means that things that aren't common in big cities that are common in small towns is looked down upon by big city people. In rural areas where there is less protection dude to people being so far apart from each other, it's kind of a thing to defend your land. I think this is more of the way he was going, not just the good old boys are coming to get you. I don't know I just think everyone is thinking way too much into the song, and we should all be more upset over the location of where the video was shot. That's the problem here not the song and I think the video painted the song in a different light. Just my opinion and I honestly see what you mean.. And I didn't mean to double post. There was a delay with my internet and meant to send that other post a while back. |
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 21, 2023 17:44:20 GMT -5
We need to let go of this false narrative. Did conservatives support him when he said the "N" word? Yes. But, conservatives move from one cause to the next. Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long -- and that was years ago. Last Night took off because the song connected with people in Country, Pop, and HAC radio. Plain and simple. Further -- Morgan and Jason are not the same. Morgan doesn't make politically charged songs. None of his songs can be associated with Republicanism or "Let's Go Brandon. He makes Country songs based on the same tropes the genre has consistently used: beer, women, trucks, whiskey, country roads, etc. Importantly, Morgan took action (whether he personally changed or not, I don't know and neither do any of us) by donating half a million dollars to black organizations. Jason, on the other hand, is openly bigoted and so is his annoying wife who may even be worse. Lol and how do you intend to prove that? Respectfully, these are the kinds of posts that result in these threads being derailed all the time. This type of attitude does nothing to further the discussion, because it is intended to discredit someone's entire opinion without actually putting forth any effort to understand it, let alone genuinely responding to it and engaging with it. The "proof" is in the fact that none of Morgan's songs have been politically charged... What are they supposed to do, cite the lyrics for Morgan's entire discography, and then analyze them line-by-line to show you why they believe none of them have been politically charged?
Better yet, how do YOU intend to prove that the racists are using Morgan Wallen as a covert way to endorse their beliefs? That's the opinion that seems to be making a more speculative generalization than "Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long. Last Night took off because the song connected with a broad base of people."
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Post by Music Fan on Jul 21, 2023 18:04:50 GMT -5
Lol and how do you intend to prove that? Better yet, how do YOU intend to prove that the racists are using Morgan Wallen as a covert way to endorse their beliefs? That's the opinion that seems to be making a more speculative generalization than "Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long. Last Night took off because the song connected with a broad base of people."
Thank you. And as a response, I'm not Morgan, nor his team, so I don't need to prove anything. But the proof is in the longevity of the song, its sales, its streams, it being #1 on Country radio, Top 4 on Pop, and Top 10 on HAC. A song doesn't hover around 300 points on the Hot 100 (going by predictions) for almost four months straight with only the support of conservatives. Heck, As It Was did not even do that throughout all the weeks it was #1 (although if I recall that song did have bigger points at its peak). You can hate the guy and you can hate the song, but the facts speak for themselves on this one. |
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Post by Push The Button on Jul 21, 2023 18:11:29 GMT -5
Like I’ve said before, the middle school kids I teach have been obsessed with Morgan Wallen for years. He has wide appeal.
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Post by Koochie on Jul 21, 2023 18:17:39 GMT -5
Criticism is one thing, but people are insulting/throwing hate not only on the artist but on the people who like/enjoy a specific artist or genre Everyone is entitled to an opinion and hating is one of a variety of opinions a person can have. Take the 227k downloads and celebrate and let us wonder what's wrong with the people that bought it in peace. agree, but this goes both ways. They’re entitled to think whatever they want about the song and that people are being silly just like people are entitled to think it’s just another conservative circle jerk. And it is lmao, but I kind of agree that it doesn’t matter. We need to let go of this false narrative. Did conservatives support him when he said the "N" word? Yes. But, conservatives move from one cause to the next. Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long -- and that was years ago. Last Night took off because the song connected with people in Country, Pop, and HAC radio. Plain and simple. Further -- Morgan and Jason are not the same. Morgan doesn't make politically charged songs. None of his songs can be associated with Republicanism or "Let's Go Brandon. He makes Country songs based on the same tropes the genre has consistently used: beer, women, trucks, whiskey, country roads, etc. Importantly, Morgan took action (whether he personally changed or not, I don't know and neither do any of us) by donating half a million dollars to black organizations. Jason, on the other hand, is openly bigoted and so is his annoying wife who may even be worse. Lol and how do you intend to prove that? The same way you prove conservatives are the only reason that song was a hit. (Edit: or bboat could beat me to it YAASSSSS) By this logic, anyone streaming Chris Brown is pro-domestic violence. Would it matter either way though? Arbitrarily politicizing music doesn’t do anyone any favors. There’s a strong argument that a political narrative is driving Aldean’s success. Morgan? Not so much. |
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 21, 2023 18:27:16 GMT -5
If Jason Aldean does hit #1 on the Hot 100 and subsequently on the Hot Country Songs chart, I will scream bloody murder. Luke Combs deserves it, but I highly doubt he will top both charts. I highly doubt Aldean will top the Country Airplay chart.
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Post by Gary on Jul 21, 2023 18:32:31 GMT -5
The bump to #1 will in all likelihood be a 1 week thing anyway. 'Try That In A Small Town' peaked at #24 at radio
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Jul 21, 2023 18:41:55 GMT -5
You wrap around me and you give me life And that’s why night after night I’ll be fucking you right Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Seven days a week Every hour every minute every second You know night after night I’ll be fucking you right Seven days a week Part of the lyrics to the song everyone here wants to go # 1. Girl have you never heard of seggs? This ain't even that racy nor new territory for a mainstream hit song, it'd have been maybe controversial 20 years ago but this is literally a foolish point of criticism in the year 2023. Get with the times people please. |
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Post by lazer on Jul 21, 2023 18:45:27 GMT -5
Like I’ve said before, the middle school kids I teach have been obsessed with Morgan Wallen for years. He has wide appeal. A school in Montana probably. |
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Post by countryfan43 on Jul 21, 2023 18:46:45 GMT -5
If Jason Aldean does hit #1 on the Hot 100 and subsequently on the Hot Country Songs chart, I will scream bloody murder. Luke Combs deserves it, but I highly doubt he will top both charts. I highly doubt Aldean will top the Country Airplay chart. I think #1 on airplay might be achievable given the strong gains lately. It’s less than 15 weeks into its run so even if it stalls it will have time to make it. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 18:52:17 GMT -5
Like I’ve said before, the middle school kids I teach have been obsessed with Morgan Wallen for years. He has wide appeal. A school in Montana probably. Stop lol Last Night is a huge hit. People love it. |
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Post by tituscat on Jul 21, 2023 19:22:56 GMT -5
I can’t believe people are still bitching about Last Night. If you don’t like it then don’t listen to it. And same thing for the Jason Aldean song. Now I really hope Last Night breaks the record.
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Post by mms82 on Jul 21, 2023 19:39:32 GMT -5
Genuine Question? Would Try That In a Small Town count as the biggest leap ever going from #19 on bubbling under to #1? Or would it be treated as a #1 debut? If not then it would take Kelly Clarkson's MLWSWY record. Nope, unfortunately lots of songs have humped Bubbling Under to #1. Although it’s a mild win/shame that the song didn’t debut in the 90s before and set the record for highest re-entry |
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Post by Push The Button on Jul 21, 2023 20:05:02 GMT -5
Like I’ve said before, the middle school kids I teach have been obsessed with Morgan Wallen for years. He has wide appeal. A school in Montana probably. No baby. I live in the land of Boosie and Kevin Gates. But even if I didn’t, that is an antiquated stereotype. Country music has been mainstream since the ‘70s. |
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Post by jasper0102 on Jul 21, 2023 20:20:24 GMT -5
If Jason Aldean does hit #1 on the Hot 100 and subsequently on the Hot Country Songs chart, I will scream bloody murder. Luke Combs deserves it, but I highly doubt he will top both charts. I highly doubt Aldean will top the Country Airplay chart. He’s only in the top 25 on country radio (atleast on Mediabase) so I think it’s safe to say he’s not gonna beat Luke out on country radio (either on Mediabase or on Billboard) unless the gains start going haywire for him. |
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Post by mms82 on Jul 21, 2023 20:21:06 GMT -5
Lol for all the K-pop fan haters, I hope you’re just as strongly outraged by these sales numbers if true. Let's just say, there's only a handful of artists who I care excell, and Jason isn't one of them. Lol What makes me excited though is to see country in the spotlight, I just would have never picked this song to be THE song to do it. However, at the end of the day who cares? Last Night or KPOP.. Hopefully Fast Car will be #1 next week. This song will probably have the biggest fall from #1 taking it away from Jimin. No way in the world — it’s still number one on iTunes, I bet it sold 50k+ today alone. This will have another big wave of publicity after it debuts number one, and then there probably will be a long curve given someone buying this song after hearing about it on FoxNews or whatever- definitely will have more sales beyond the terminally online crowd buying it now. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 21, 2023 20:25:02 GMT -5
Genuine Question? Would Try That In a Small Town count as the biggest leap ever going from #19 on bubbling under to #1? Or would it be treated as a #1 debut? If not then it would take Kelly Clarkson's MLWSWY record. Nope, unfortunately lots of songs have humped Bubbling Under to #1. Although it’s a mild win/shame that the song didn’t debut in the 90s before and set the record for highest re-entry Two things here to clarify Biggest jump to #1 on the Hot 100 is still Kelly Clarkson - regardless. That one will be tough to beat and Bubbling Under is a separate chart Also the #19 on Bubbling Under thing was on the 6/3/23 chart - so it has been away for a while now from Hot 100 or Bubbling Under |
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Post by Myth X on Jul 21, 2023 20:44:20 GMT -5
I also don't feel Wallen and Aldean should be treated the same here. One said the n word on video once, the other is literally rallying people to fight against another group. Ambiguously, yeah, but you can't tell me no one on the recording booth knew what the MAGA audience was going to take away from the track. I'm also sure a huge number of music acts might use the n word privately, Wallen was just dumb enough to get caught. Most of the world, to be honest, knows nothing about the incident, and the few that do have mostly moved on. Wallen's music itself is inoffensive, more conventional country. Sure you can think it's mediocre but the songs themselves aren't offensive. honestly this whole thing is making me appreciate how wallen didn't immediately grift off of his controversy and instead acknowledged that he fucked up and at least publicly stayed out of the spotlight for a bit like, I'm sure that he didn't handle the situation perfectly (I don't really follow him much so I don't want to make too many definitive statements), but I'm just glad that we don't live in a world where he ended up pandering to the "am I the only one" audience Morgan also told his fans to not defend his actions because what he did was wrong (during his apology video after the incident). And he was banned from radio for months. Meanwhile country radio is playing this Jason Aldean song lol. |
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Post by 85la on Jul 21, 2023 20:44:35 GMT -5
I can’t believe people are still bitching about Last Night. If you don’t like it then don’t listen to it. And same thing for the Jason Aldean song. Now I really hope Last Night breaks the record. Literally all 7 of your posts over the past two weeks have been repeating the exact same thing (except one, in which you quoted me asking why I dared challenge someone else for saying "there are no doubts" that LN will definitely break the record, after which I gave very solid reasons). Anything else substantive to add to the conversation? It sounds like you're the one to get tired of. Anyways, as for TTIAST, with the way it's still topping iTunes and surged so quickly up streaming, I have a feeling this might be more than a one week thing smh. Also, it's important to note that Morgan didn't really have to do anything to "grift" his audience or milk anything after his controversy because the fans took care of that themselves, his streaming numbers went way up and kept his album at #1 for 10 weeks even without radio support. He literally did nothing while the coins kept rolling in. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 21:29:14 GMT -5
Heard Try That In A Small Town is #1 on spotify now? Would take this lightly as someone said it on twitter.
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Post by mms82 on Jul 21, 2023 22:03:14 GMT -5
This is the craziest chart week, maybe since GOOBA week. A song that none of us (save Gary!!) had heard of as late as Monday(!) of this week, from an artist that hasn’t hit the top 10 in almost 15 years, debuts #1 beating ARMY at mass buying with a song that has been out for months.
I mean, I know most of us don’t like the song but what a wild freaking week
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Post by enwhy on Jul 21, 2023 22:23:02 GMT -5
After selling around 1,000 copies of the song each day from July 14 through July 17, according to preliminary reports from Luminate, sales rose after Billboard’s July 18 exclusive that CMT had pulled the video. The song earned 12,000 in sales on July 18, before surging to 108,000 in sales on July 19 and 103,000 in sales on July 20. The latest sales total for the week (July 14-20) is 227,000, according to the preliminary reports.
After earning 204,000 official U.S. on-demand streams on July 14, and then dipping to 194,000 on July 15 and 174,000 on July 16, streams rose 24.3% to 216,000 on July 17, then surged 178% on July 18 to 600,000. On July 19, U.S. official on-demand streams of “Try That in a Small Town” skyrocketed to 3.2 million, a 440.2% increase.
In terms of radio airplay, on last week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 15), “Try That in a Small Town” rose one spot from 26-25, though it declined 2% in audience impressions for the week. On this week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 22), the song holds at No. 25 but gained 16% to 6.5 million audience impressions in its ninth week on the chart.
So in terms of chart points... 227k sales = 227 points 4.9M streams through wednesday - using the spotify numbers for thursday i would guess like 10M total for the week = 70ish points Radio was up 19% this week so say 7.7M impressions = 10 points That’s 307 total, which is probably enough for #1? Wallen is forecasted at 293. HIgh margin of error though - fewer premium streams, sales getting filtered, or just my estimation on the streams being off could knock it down. Also there’s the big X factor of Seven, which no one knows how many sales that ended up with. Good luck to the twitter predictors lol |
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Post by shadowthehedgehogfan on Jul 21, 2023 22:38:22 GMT -5
i miss like crazy.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 21, 2023 22:53:20 GMT -5
Maybe I’m dumb but I’m missing the connection you’re making and your overall point. My point is how biased people are based on their point of views. Throw hate on one thing based on X point, but celebrate other. Feminists will argue that those lyrics are violence against women but sings about women killing men are totally great. It’s just an example Lmao you just did not just try and say Kill Bill was a violent song |
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Post by shadowthehedgehogfan on Jul 21, 2023 22:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Jul 21, 2023 23:07:42 GMT -5
After selling around 1,000 copies of the song each day from July 14 through July 17, according to preliminary reports from Luminate, sales rose after Billboard’s July 18 exclusive that CMT had pulled the video. The song earned 12,000 in sales on July 18, before surging to 108,000 in sales on July 19 and 103,000 in sales on July 20. The latest sales total for the week (July 14-20) is 227,000, according to the preliminary reports.
After earning 204,000 official U.S. on-demand streams on July 14, and then dipping to 194,000 on July 15 and 174,000 on July 16, streams rose 24.3% to 216,000 on July 17, then surged 178% on July 18 to 600,000. On July 19, U.S. official on-demand streams of “Try That in a Small Town” skyrocketed to 3.2 million, a 440.2% increase.
In terms of radio airplay, on last week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 15), “Try That in a Small Town” rose one spot from 26-25, though it declined 2% in audience impressions for the week. On this week’s Country Airplay chart (dated July 22), the song holds at No. 25 but gained 16% to 6.5 million audience impressions in its ninth week on the chart.
So in terms of chart points... 227k sales = 227 points 4.9M streams through wednesday - using the spotify numbers for thursday i would guess like 10M total for the week = 70ish points Radio was up 19% this week so say 7.7M impressions = 10 points That’s 307 total, which is probably enough for #1? Wallen is forecasted at 293. HIgh margin of error though - fewer premium streams, sales getting filtered, or just my estimation on the streams being off could knock it down. Also there’s the big X factor of Seven, which no one knows how many sales that ended up with. Good luck to the twitter predictors lol I'm just curious because this hasn't really been talked about in a while, but is this the rough formula now?
1k sales = 1 point 1 million radio impressions = 1.3 points 1 million streams = 7 points (combining all tiers of streaming together because Billboard never gives the separate numbers and it's not easy to determine on your own)
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Post by mag on Jul 21, 2023 23:22:48 GMT -5
My point is how biased people are based on their point of views. Throw hate on one thing based on X point, but celebrate other. Feminists will argue that those lyrics are violence against women but sings about women killing men are totally great. It’s just an example Lmao you just did not just try and say Kill Bill was a violent song No but you’re confirming what I’m talking about |
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