Billboard Hot 100: 07/29/2023

[Groovy]

How long are we expecting Seven and Try That in a Small Town to last?

[wavey.]

SZA so damn close lol

[mms82]

Try That In A Small Town has to be the most US-centric song of the Global 200 era – #2 on the Global 200 and not in the top 200 excluding US — even Last Night was barely charting on the Excl US in its early days on top

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Jul 25, 2023 9:42:29 GMT -5 wavey. said:

SZA so damn close lol

this pretty much sums up Hot 100 threads this year.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 24, 2023 23:06:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 24, 2023 23:01:30 GMT -5 mag said:

Again, it’s all propaganda. Manipulation from the left. You won’t make me change my mind

Well at least you're honest

Yes the honesty is nice, but at the same time then why did mag ask questions if there was no serious interest in the answers?

Anyway it's interesting that we'll have a song championed by conservatives at #1 on the Hot 100, but then the #1 movie is one a lot of conservatives are upset about.

[mms82]

Jul 25, 2023 9:40:59 GMT -5 Groovy said:

How long are we expecting Seven and Try That in a Small Town to last?

Seven might have four-five weeks on the chart, do a little better than the Jimin song but I think it'll take a similar trajectory to every other KPop song on the Hot 100 when mass buying stops.

TTIAST I think will be the right wing This Is America, two weeks at #1 (or two weeks within a point of #1), linger a little but still fall off before 20 weeks as the novelty wears off

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

sad that Sparks Fly didn't survive

[atg]

Jul 25, 2023 8:24:27 GMT -5 Choco said:

Latto having a #1 hit is so crazy.

It’s even crazier when this is basically her 2nd hit when most of us thought she’d just be a one hit wonder. Best way to beat the fact imo.

[mms82]

Jul 25, 2023 9:53:08 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Anyway it's interesting that we'll have a song championed by conservatives at #1 on the Hot 100, but then the #1 movie is one a lot of conservatives are upset about.

If it wasn't for Barbenheimer we could have had Try That In A Small Town topping the Hot 100 and Sound of Freedom topping the weekend box office at the same time lmao

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

btw is that movie any good, or are ppl just saying that because it means well

[Gary]

Sound Of Freedom - probably the best movie I have seen this summer btw

[bbfan97]

somehow i'm not surprised

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jul 25, 2023 11:26:51 GMT -5 atg said:

Jul 25, 2023 8:24:27 GMT -5 Choco said:

Latto having a #1 hit is so crazy.

It’s even crazier when this is basically her 2nd hit when most of us thought she’d just be a one hit wonder. Best way to beat the fact imo.

Thank the BTS Army for that. She also has had three other Hot 100 songs since Big Energy including Put It on the Floor Again which is current charting. The latter has been the highest peaking song at #13.

[kindofbiased]

Jul 25, 2023 9:40:59 GMT -5 Groovy said:

How long are we expecting Seven and Try That in a Small Town to last?

I'm expecting TTIAST to drop off hard once the virality goes away, might still chart in the lower regions of the hot 100 but I don't think it's gonna be huge for very long

Seven I think has more legs than people are giving it credit for, it's still streaming well and it looks like the US music industry is actually gonna back it unlike most singles by kpop artists

[kimberly]

Jul 25, 2023 12:29:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

Sound Of Freedom - probably the best movie I have seen this summer btw

me if I'd only seen one movie

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

he needs to watch the best movie of the summer Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

[jasper0102]

Jul 25, 2023 9:40:59 GMT -5 Groovy said:

How long are we expecting Seven and Try That in a Small Town to last?

Seven might last a while tbh. The radio does seem to be picking up, the streaming is still really good for a Kpop song, and while the sales could go away after first week, unlike most other Kpop songs that rely on sales it has legs in other channels.

Try That In A Small Town might last longer tbh, the sales are probably not gonna evaporate as quickly (as the current predictions are showing) and he has far better streaming legs than Seven does. Sure Seven could beat him on radio but that won’t be much of a hinderance.

[Gary]

Why Jason Aldean’s ‘Try That in a Small Town’ Is No. 2 on One of Billboard’s Global Charts But Not on the Other at All
The song debuts at No. 2 on the Global 200 but falls short of the Global Excl. U.S. ranking.


BY ERIC FRANKENBERG

JJung Kook’s “Seven,” featuring Latto, and Jason Aldean’s “Try That in a Small Town” debut at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively, on the July 29-dated Billboard Global 200. It’s only the third time in the 150-week history of Billboard’s global charts that the top two songs are debuts by different artists. But while Jung Kook also opens atop the other global chart – the Billboard Global Excl. U.S. survey – Aldean is nowhere to be found on it.

The Global 200 ranks songs based on streaming and sales activity culled from more than 200 territories around the world. The Global Excl. U.S. chart does the same but excludes domestic consumption, measuring the biggest hits outside the United States.

Since these two global charts launched in September 2020, there has been plenty of crossover, with No. 1 songs aligning 100 times, or two out of every three weeks on average. This week’s top 10 on the Global 200 shares eight songs with the top 10 of the Global Excl. U.S. chart. The two that miss are Gunna’s “Fukumean,” inching 7-6 on the former and surging 44-22 on the latter, and “Try That in a Small Town.”

But Aldean isn’t just outside the top 10 of Global Excl. U.S. – his hit misses the 200-position chart altogether. That makes it the highest-ranking song on the Global 200 to simultaneously be absent from its sister survey since they started three years ago. Previously, Future held that distinction, when “Puffin on Zootiez” and “712PM” hit Nos. 7 and 11, respectively, on the May 14, 2022-dated worldwide ranking.

“Try That in a Small Town” makes a notable sales-powered bow, with 233,000 downloads sold worldwide in the week ending July 20, according to Luminate. The song was released May 19 but makes its global chart debut after CMT pulled the song’s music video three days after premiering (July 14), resulting in a surge of attention.

That six-digit figure is the third-best sales week since the charts launched, behind only the 269,000 for Jung Kook’s “Seven” this week, and BTS’ “Butter,” which debuted on the June 5, 2021-dated list with 249,000.

While Aldean manages the best non-BTS/BTS-related sales week in the global charts’ archives, his track’s streaming count of 11.1 million ranks 196th among this week’s 200 charting titles.

Those figures skew dramatically toward Stateside consumption, with 98% of the song’s worldwide sales and 96% of its streams stemming from the U.S. That towers over the averages among this week’s charting titles (beyond Aldean’s): 52% and 22%, respectively. Aldean’s domestic totals contrast with just 5,000 downloads and 403,000 streams from outside the U.S. during the tracking week, not enough to crack the Global Excl. U.S. chart – even if it were expanded to 600 positions.

“Try That in a Small Town” is a country song, and country has long struggled to export outside the confines of the U.S. Morgan Wallen’s “Last Night,” with its 14 weeks at No. 1 on the U.S.-based Billboard Hot 100, has managed to climb as high as No. 82 on Global Excl. U.S., far removed from its top 10 peak on the Global 200. Otherwise, besides Taylor Swift and holiday titles, Luke Combs is the only other core country act (in a lead role) to have appeared on the chart, as “Forever After All” spent a week at No. 105 in 2020. But not even his current crossover, a cover of Tracy Chapman’s 1988 classic “Fast Car,” is charting, despite being No. 21 on the Global 200 and No. 4 on the Hot 100.

Still, when Combs hit the global charts in 2020, 16% of the song’s streams and 10% of its sales were from outside the U.S in its debut week, indicating some interest outside his home country. Wallen, on both of this week’s editions, is up to 25% and 15% from international territories.

So while, yes, Aldean’s mere association with country music means he’s likely to spur far more U.S. activity than pop, rock or Latin acts, his international draw of 4% in streams and 2% in sales are unprecedented for such a huge hit on the Global 200.

The song’s messaging (or its controversy – however you choose to look at it) is deeply American. Even the title touches on the iconography of U.S. small towns, and its lyrics point to social hot topics. Its official video, and subsequent removal from CMT, pushed the song into the national spotlight, the clip interspersing news footage with small-town scenes to amplify the song’s references to violence and crime.

The specificity and the inevitable political fallout of “Try That in a Small Town” seemingly limits the song’s international prospects, cutting its non-U.S. sales and streams to a fraction of even those by fellow country singles. Meanwhile, although Aldean doesn’t chart on any of Billboard’s Hits of the World charts outside of North America, it debuts at No. 36 on the Billboard Canadian Hot 100, where Wallen and Combs sit at Nos. 1-2.

[Enigma.]

Why would a US Republican pro-guns and racist country song chart outside the US lmao

Nobody else in the world is that stupid

[mag]

Jul 26, 2023 0:54:06 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Why would a US Republican pro-guns and racist country song chart outside the US lmao

Nobody else in the world is that stupid

Nobody else in the world listens to country besides the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and some people in the UK, Ireland. Not even big country artists have ever crossed over. The ones that did have been of course Dolly, Shania Twain, Faith Hill, LeAnn Rimes and some more I’m not aware of with pop mix to their specifically resealed singles, not all of them. On the other hand, some other artists have covered country songs like Ronan Keating, Westlife, but have recorded pop versions.

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

fun fact: Westlife supposedly got blacklisted when they attempted to breakthrough in the USA

[sheardbeard]

Which version of “Seven” would we say is the “main” version? I know both the clean and explicit versions were released the same day, but at some point I think the clean version was track 1 and the explicit version was track 2? I think? Reason I ask: I want to add it to my existing playlist of all Billboard Hot 100 #1s, but which version should I choose? Thanks!

This is somewhat similar to when Akon/Snoop’s “I Wanna Love You” hit #1 and there were both clean and explicit versions: one where sings “love” and the other where he, uhh, doesn’t sing “love”.

[explicit]

Jul 26, 2023 13:00:02 GMT -5 shadowthehedgehogfan said:

fun fact: Westlife supposedly got blacklisted when they attempted to breakthrough in the USA

That's hard to believe. It we were talking about some demon worshiping metal band or a super sexualized woman or gay singer, I would understand it... but Westlife? They were as vanilla as they could... harmless pop ballads... who could "blacklist" them? LOL

[shadowthehedgehogfan]

www.contactmusic.com/westlife/news/westlife-.blacklisted.-in-america
i have no clue how credible this source is. but honestly i think their edgeless pop ballads just didnt appeal in post-9/11 america. Adult contemporary fell hard between 01 and 03. Celine Dion couldn't crack the top 20 in 02.

i also think their debut single is really a poor choice. they broke late as a boy band, with a barebones, admittedly dull, pop ballad. And while Westlife mostly does pop ballads, Swear it again isnt really representative of their sound. Even on the first album, they were more over the top and dramatic on the other songs.

[mag]

Jul 26, 2023 14:07:52 GMT -5 explicit said:

Jul 26, 2023 13:00:02 GMT -5 shadowthehedgehogfan said:

fun fact: Westlife supposedly got blacklisted when they attempted to breakthrough in the USA

That's hard to believe. It we were talking about some demon worshiping metal band or a super sexualized woman or gay singer, I would understand it... but Westlife? They were as vanilla as they could... harmless pop ballads... who could "blacklist" them? LOL

They said that radio programmers and manager labels didn’t want them to compete with BSB and ‘N SYNC. That’s one of the reasons (supposedly) why never made it in the US outside Swear it again ( # 20 on the Hot 100, Gold cert.)

[Juanca]

Westlife is quite the case.
They couldn’t break through at all. Not even Mariah Carey could help in the US-whereas Westlife actually helped Mariah had her second UK #1 with Against all odds, which was also one of Mariah’s biggest global hits in the early 2000s.
At least later a cover of their hit Flying without wings would peak at #2 thanks to Ruben Studdard, but I don’t think that did much for them anyway

[kcdawg13]

Literally like no UK act broke through for basically the entire 2000's, there was a couple outliers but they were mostly one hitters like S Club 7. It wasn't until the 2010's when we actually got British pop stars crushing the Hot 100 again with Adele's breakthrough, One Direction, Jessie J, etc.

I don't know why this happened, but looking at the UK music charts in the 2000's, maybe it was for the best that none of that shit made it over here.

[neel]

Jul 27, 2023 1:33:35 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Literally like no UK act broke through for basically the entire 2000's, there was a couple outliers but they were mostly one hitters like S Club 7. It wasn't until the 2010's when we actually got British pop stars crushing the Hot 100 again with Adele's breakthrough, One Direction, Jessie J, etc.

I don't know why this happened, but looking at the UK music charts in the 2000's, maybe it was for the best that none of that shit made it over here.

I think a large part of why that happened might be because how the Hot 100 was 98% Airplay between 2001-Feb 2005.

[iHype.]

Jul 27, 2023 1:39:01 GMT -5 neel said:

Jul 27, 2023 1:33:35 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Literally like no UK act broke through for basically the entire 2000's, there was a couple outliers but they were mostly one hitters like S Club 7. It wasn't until the 2010's when we actually got British pop stars crushing the Hot 100 again with Adele's breakthrough, One Direction, Jessie J, etc.

I don't know why this happened, but looking at the UK music charts in the 2000's, maybe it was for the best that none of that shit made it over here.

I think a large part of why that happened might be because how the Hot 100 was 98% Airplay between 2001-Feb 2005.

Moreso that R&B/Hip-Hop dominated Hot 100 majority of the decade. Nobody in US really embraces European Hip-Hop period, and R&B not really either unless it's the occasional white Pop act doing R&B-influenced ballads (George Michael, Adele, Sam, etc).

Coldplay broke through on the albums front with huge US album success in the 2000s, but Viva La Vida was really their only Hot 100 success.