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Post by Fanstar1 on Jul 21, 2023 14:55:03 GMT -5
"Well, try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town" kinda seems like he's saying the consequences for doing something he doesn't like is injury or death I get what you're saying.. But I just think it means that crime is so out of control in big cities that if you tried that in small towns it wouldn't fly. I'm not from a small town by any means, but if someone seen someone committing a crime against an old lady/man or someone defenseless I think most good people would step in. (crime isn't out of control in big cities, in fact NYC is one of the safest places in the US. That is just a conservative lie, hope it helps) |
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Post by mag on Jul 21, 2023 14:55:29 GMT -5
You wrap around me and you give me life And that’s why night after night I’ll be fucking you right Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Seven days a week Every hour every minute every second You know night after night I’ll be fucking you right Seven days a week Part of the lyrics to the song everyone here wants to go # 1. Beautiful. Yet everyone hates Morgan/Jason. I don’t see anything wrong in the song nor the video as it tells a reality a lot of people don’t wanna talk about because of this. I’m tired of watching the news to see the violence in the streets, can’t even go to the beach because it’s become dangerous, even shootings on the highway, people breaking into houses to steal, rape, kill. But yes, the wrong ones are the ones calling for an actions against violence. Maybe I’m dumb but I’m missing the connection you’re making and your overall point. My point is how biased people are based on their point of views. Throw hate on one thing based on X point, but celebrate other. Feminists will argue that those lyrics are violence against women but sings about women killing men are totally great. It’s just an example |
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Post by sergf13 on Jul 21, 2023 14:56:46 GMT -5
"Well, try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town" kinda seems like he's saying the consequences for doing something he doesn't like is injury or death I get what you're saying.. But I just think it means that crime is so out of control in big cities that if you tried that in small towns it wouldn't fly. I'm not from a small town by any means, but if someone seen someone committing a crime against an old lady/man or someone defenseless I think most good people would step in. Besides the dubious ethics of vigilantism, he's also arguing for violence against stuff like "Stomp on the flag and light it up", which is literally considered freedom of speech and protected by the 1st amendment |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:01:12 GMT -5
I get what you're saying.. But I just think it means that crime is so out of control in big cities that if you tried that in small towns it wouldn't fly. I'm not from a small town by any means, but if someone seen someone committing a crime against an old lady/man or someone defenseless I think most good people would step in. Besides the dubious ethics of vigilantism, he's also arguing for violence against stuff like "Stomp on the flag and light it up", which is literally considered freedom of speech and protected by the 1st amendment I for one lean very liberal, and I'm not for flag burning by any means if you live in America. Don't think Joe Biden is for this either and he is a liberal democrat. But again.. I don't want this thread locked again.. so I'm not gonna debate any longer. |
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Post by sergf13 on Jul 21, 2023 15:04:18 GMT -5
Besides the dubious ethics of vigilantism, he's also arguing for violence against stuff like "Stomp on the flag and light it up", which is literally considered freedom of speech and protected by the 1st amendment I for one lean very liberal, and I'm not for flag burning by any means if you live in America. Don't think Joe Biden is for this either and he is a liberal democrat. But again.. I don't want this thread locked again.. so I'm not gonna debate any longer. That doesn't change the fact that it is legally considered a form of protest, and by extension freedom of speech. Also, the president disagreeing with it does not make it ok to hurt people who protest in this way. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:06:41 GMT -5
I for one lean very liberal, and I'm not for flag burning by any means if you live in America. Don't think Joe Biden is for this either and he is a liberal democrat. But again.. I don't want this thread locked again.. so I'm not gonna debate any longer. That doesn't change the fact that it is legally considered a form of protest, and by extension freedom of speech. Also, the president disagreeing with it does not make it ok to hurt people who protest in this way. No, it doesn't you're right.. But I don't think that's where he was going with the song. |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 21, 2023 15:09:51 GMT -5
Y'all...say what you want about Morgan Wallen, but at least his songs are innocuous and don't start this kinda drama...oh wait...LOL. I haven't heard Aldean's song because...the man has zero discernible talent (still not sure why Carrie worked with him in the first place) vocally or from a songwriting standpoint. Morgan's voice can be a little...whiny, but he knows his way around a melody and his lyrics are either cute or clever.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:11:28 GMT -5
Y'all...say what you want about Morgan Wallen, but at least his songs are innocuous and don't start this kinda drama...oh wait...LOL. I haven't heard Aldean's song because...the man has zero discernible talent (still not sure why Carrie worked with him in the first place) vocally or from a songwriting standpoint. Morgan's voice can be a little...whiny, but he knows his way around a melody and his lyrics are either cute or clever. See I think Morgan's lyrics are very cute. Lol |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 21, 2023 15:11:50 GMT -5
I didn't contribute to it LOL I bought the song two months ago And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jul 21, 2023 15:14:12 GMT -5
I didn't contribute to it LOL I bought the song two months ago And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ Stop this. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 21, 2023 15:15:08 GMT -5
I hope Cruel Summer gets a new peak this week!
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Post by sergf13 on Jul 21, 2023 15:15:38 GMT -5
That doesn't change the fact that it is legally considered a form of protest, and by extension freedom of speech. Also, the president disagreeing with it does not make it ok to hurt people who protest in this way. No, it doesn't you're right.. But I don't think that's where he was going with the song. Where was he going then? It seems to me the whole point of the song is "don't do this shit or all the good ol' boys are gonna fuck you up" |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 21, 2023 15:16:54 GMT -5
"Well, try that in a small town See how far ya make it down the road Around here, we take care of our own You cross that line, it won't take long For you to find out, I recommend you don't Try that in a small town" kinda seems like he's saying the consequences for doing something he doesn't like is injury or death I get what you're saying.. I'm not saying youre wrong.. but this is my interpretation. But I just think it means that crime is so out of control in big cities that if you tried that in small towns it wouldn't fly. I'm not from a small town by any means, but if someone seen someone committing a crime against an old lady/man or someone defenseless I think most good people would step in. It’s basically saying we take matters into our own hands in small towns. Step out of line and you’ll see what happens. It’s not exactly “inciting riots” but it’s emboldening people to potentially respond with violence. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 21, 2023 15:17:32 GMT -5
I didn't contribute to it LOL I bought the song two months ago And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ I will answer that by saying I have a variety of singles and 6 full albums of Jason Aldean in my library dating back to 2009 |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:20:16 GMT -5
I didn't contribute to it LOL I bought the song two months ago And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ How is the song itself racist? It doesn't mention race in the slightest bit. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 21, 2023 15:21:52 GMT -5
And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ How is the song itself racist? It doesn't mention race in the slightest bit. I'm... not gonna answer that cause I don't wanna start a riot. But at least for me it's common sense. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:26:07 GMT -5
No, it doesn't you're right.. But I don't think that's where he was going with the song. Where was he going then? It seems to me the whole point of the song is "don't do this shit or all the good ol' boys are gonna fuck you up" Would you be upset if someone came into your home and started causing nonsense? I'm sure you would. Nobody should be attacking anyone in general, for crime purposes, or for retaliation. But I think that person on person crime is an issue in America on both sides. Not just one.. and that's the real problem. Again that's how I see it. If you see it a different way.. cool I respect your opinion. I think the song itself is fine, the location of the video however is wrong. Moving on!!! |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 21, 2023 15:38:16 GMT -5
And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ How is the song itself racist? It doesn't mention race in the slightest bit. It’s literally the white conservative Republican “Make America Great Again” MO right now. You have to read between the lines sometimes and use your critical thinking skills… And you know what happens when small town folk take the law in their hands… Ahmaud Arbery happens. This is an anthem for all the small town bigots to grab their guns and to play sheriff to “protect their town” in whatever twisted way they think they should 🙄 |
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 21, 2023 15:40:51 GMT -5
See, "Try That In A Small Town" is juuuuust ambiguous enough for the artist and fans to have plausible deniability about things like racism and inciting violence. So the thing I always come back to is just how poorly-written it is in general.
For one thing, he talks about not being okay with old ladies being car-jacked and store clerks being robbed at gunpoint as if those are controversial opinions to have. In the context of the song, it comes across like only people from the country are outraged about that kind of stuff. Like no, Jason, literally NOBODY disagrees with you that those are bad things. You're not some kind of hero for calling them out.
And then there are false equivalencies between those genuinely terrible things and.....the potential for your guns to be taken away someday. That's right! Not that they are actually being taken away. The lyrics flat out say something along the lines of "they say one day they're going to round our guns up". In other words, nobody is ACTUALLY taking our guns away, but conservative media is telling me that it's going to happen someday. Sooooo a fear-mongering dog-whistle about things that aren't even happening stands on equal footing with grandma nearly being killed in terms of things that piss you off?
No matter how much Aldean and his fans deny the level of racist intent behind the song, there is no argument that could possibly be leveled against anything that I just said. Assuming the absolute best intentions about Jason Aldean, his song plays with people's fears and intentionally manipulates their ignorance to build a sense of outrage about things that are 1) universal enough that there is literally nobody who would disagree, or 2) not even happening. And every step of the way he attempts to "otherize" people, rather than channeling that outrage into a constructive call to action. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:40:59 GMT -5
Moving on...
As per chart data. Jason did 227k sales. That should be enough for #1.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 21, 2023 15:44:21 GMT -5
Moving on... As per chart data. Jason did 227k sales. That should be enough for #1. Lol for all the K-pop fan haters, I hope you’re just as strongly outraged by these sales numbers if true. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:46:40 GMT -5
Moving on... As per chart data. Jason did 227k sales. That should be enough for #1. Lol for all the K-pop fan haters, I hope you’re just as strongly outraged by these sales numbers if true. Let's just say, there's only a handful of artists who I care excell, and Jason isn't one of them. Lol What makes me excited though is to see country in the spotlight, I just would have never picked this song to be THE song to do it. However, at the end of the day who cares? Last Night or KPOP.. Hopefully Fast Car will be #1 next week. This song will probably have the biggest fall from #1 taking it away from Jimin. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2023 15:47:49 GMT -5
God, I thought we were done with this shit... I think everyone (myself include) is tired of rebuttals and the arguments - and most probably know where I stand on both the song and the message it's sending - so I will try and be civil with a singular response and just say this: having a "call to action against violence" doesn't mean you can't be criticized or that people have to agree.Criticism is one thing, but people are insulting/throwing hate not only on the artist but on the people who like/enjoy a specific artist or genre Everyone is entitled to an opinion and hating is one of a variety of opinions a person can have. Take the 227k downloads and celebrate and let us wonder what's wrong with the people that bought it in peace. |
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Post by musiclife on Jul 21, 2023 15:52:42 GMT -5
Criticism is one thing, but people are insulting/throwing hate not only on the artist but on the people who like/enjoy a specific artist or genre Everyone is entitled to an opinion and hating is one of a variety of opinions a person can have. Take the 227k downloads and celebrate and let us wonder what's wrong with the people that bought it in peace. I didn't buy the song.. but I'm not gonna fault people who bought it either. I prefer many many other country artists over Jason. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2023 15:55:31 GMT -5
This isn't about the song itself or the artist. A major share of those 227k downkoads are just people that did it to show support to what they consider "American values". And to "own the libs".
It's, of course, happening on iTunes which is currently the easiest way to game the system (see also: K Pop songs and Nicki Minaj).
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 21, 2023 15:56:40 GMT -5
And did you buy the song knowing it's racist? Inquiring minds are DYING to know!!! ❤️ How is the song itself racist? It doesn't mention race in the slightest bit. Since others are responding in a kind of snippy way, I will give you a genuine response. You are correct in the fact that the song is not outright blatantly racist. The racism claims come from the fact that, historically, "small-town-good-old-boys-taking-care-of-their-own" has connotations of white supremacy, cross burnings, racially-motivated beatings, lynchings, etc. Aldean can say "No, it's about neighbors taking care of neighbors and having pride in your community!" all he wants, but at the end of the day it doesn't take those connotations away.....especially when he films the music video in a location where a famous lynching once happened.
ultimately, the depth of the racist intent is definitely up for debate, but there is no denying that the entire intent of the song is to unite the common folk against some type of "other". Which is why so many people interpret it as leaning into the negative connotations of the good-old-boy mentality. There would simply be no reason at all for this song to "otherize" people or sound so angry if the intent was just loving your neighbors like Jason claims...
Hopefully that all makes sense :)
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 21, 2023 15:58:36 GMT -5
Lol for all the K-pop fan haters, I hope you’re just as strongly outraged by these sales numbers if true. Let's just say, there's only a handful of artists who I care excell, and Jason isn't one of them. Lol What makes me excited though is to see country in the spotlight, I just would have never picked this song to be THE song to do it. However, at the end of the day who cares? It will probably have the biggest fall from #1 taking it away from Jimin. See I don’t have a problem with Last Night being so popular. I absolutely do not support Morgan Wallen and a BIG reason the song took off the way it did is because racists use him as a covert way to endorse their beliefs the same way they do with “Let’s Go Brandon”. However, LN is an innocent enough song and appeals to a wide audience regardless of how you feel about Wallen. HOWEVER, Aldean’s song is literally political fodder that uses the hate and fear that Republicans have right now to sell itself. When’s the last time a song sold 200k in a single week, let alone a country song? If you want to make a quick buck in today’s climate, do or say something RACIST and be lauded with support by conservative America is the new “get rich quick” scheme. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2023 16:04:06 GMT -5
I also don't feel Wallen and Aldean should be treated the same here.
One said the n word on video once, the other is literally rallying people to fight against another group. Ambiguously, yeah, but you can't tell me no one on the recording booth knew what the MAGA audience was going to take away from the track.
I'm also sure a huge number of music acts might use the n word privately, Wallen was just dumb enough to get caught. Most of the world, to be honest, knows nothing about the incident, and the few that do have mostly moved on.
Wallen's music itself is inoffensive, more conventional country. Sure you can think it's mediocre but the songs themselves aren't offensive.
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Post by Music Fan on Jul 21, 2023 16:12:20 GMT -5
Let's just say, there's only a handful of artists who I care excell, and Jason isn't one of them. Lol What makes me excited though is to see country in the spotlight, I just would have never picked this song to be THE song to do it. However, at the end of the day who cares? It will probably have the biggest fall from #1 taking it away from Jimin. See I don’t have a problem with Last Night being so popular. I absolutely do not support Morgan Wallen and a BIG reason the song took off the way it did is because racists use him as a covert way to endorse their beliefs the same way they do with “Let’s Go Brandon”. However, LN is an innocent enough song and appeals to a wide audience regardless of how you feel about Wallen. HOWEVER, Aldean’s song is literally political fodder that uses the hate and fear that Republicans have right now to sell itself. When’s the last time a song sold 200k in a single week, let alone a country song? If you want to make a quick buck in today’s climate, do or say something RACIST and be lauded with support by conservative America is the new “get rich quick” scheme. We need to let go of this false narrative. Did conservatives support him when he said the "N" word? Yes. But, conservatives move from one cause to the next. Conservatives can only keep him afloat for so long -- and that was years ago. Last Night took off because the song connected with people in Country, Pop, and HAC radio. Plain and simple. Further -- Morgan and Jason are not the same. Morgan doesn't make politically charged songs. None of his songs can be associated with Republicanism or "Let's Go Brandon. He makes Country songs based on the same tropes the genre has consistently used: beer, women, trucks, whiskey, country roads, etc. Importantly, Morgan took action (whether he personally changed or not, I don't know and neither do any of us) by donating half a million dollars to black organizations. Jason, on the other hand, is openly bigoted and so is his annoying wife who may even be worse. |
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Post by lyhom on Jul 21, 2023 16:21:19 GMT -5
I also don't feel Wallen and Aldean should be treated the same here. One said the n word on video once, the other is literally rallying people to fight against another group. Ambiguously, yeah, but you can't tell me no one on the recording booth knew what the MAGA audience was going to take away from the track. I'm also sure a huge number of music acts might use the n word privately, Wallen was just dumb enough to get caught. Most of the world, to be honest, knows nothing about the incident, and the few that do have mostly moved on. Wallen's music itself is inoffensive, more conventional country. Sure you can think it's mediocre but the songs themselves aren't offensive. honestly this whole thing is making me appreciate how wallen didn't immediately grift off of his controversy and instead acknowledged that he fucked up and at least publicly stayed out of the spotlight for a bit like, I'm sure that he didn't handle the situation perfectly (I don't really follow him much so I don't want to make too many definitive statements), but I'm just glad that we don't live in a world where he ended up pandering to the "am I the only one" audience |
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