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Post by mag on Jul 24, 2023 10:57:12 GMT -5
My counter is that getting some news stories isn't the same thing as sufficient public exposure, especially when some people just read about the incident in text form or watch a newspiece where at most you get soundless clips of the MV. This isn't a song you'd hear in the shops; even if you're in an area where Country radio is what the shops play, it's only #27 on that format, so there's a good chance your local stations don't even have it on rotation (trust me, as someone who has coworkers and family who tune in with some regularity, some of those playlists are like 10-12 current songs long, with some '10s and older songs to pad it out). The people who bought the song, they're not the type to blare it out of their car or phone in public, heck, whether they play it at all is up in the air if they just bought it to "own the libs". What exposure it did get I feel is best reflected in the streams it got, ~10m: significant enough that it'd perhaps merit a top 40 debut, but not an amount where it feels like the sales are an understable supplement in normal circumstances (e.g. the 70k sales that accompanied the over 50m streams Flowers debuted with). Country chart is slow. Most songs take over 40 weeks to reach the top 10. The song has been out for 2 months and being # 25 is not a flop. It is a slower hit by Jasonβs standards but flop would be if the song was in the #40s. Like I said, country radio takes forever and young people donβt listen to radio). I donβt think theyβre gonna ban this song because they already learned the lesson with MW I guess. They donβt want their core audience to turn their backs on them.
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Post by lazer on Jul 24, 2023 11:41:07 GMT -5
It would be nice to see a fierce reaction from the stanbases and other music fans to mitigate country songs like TTIAST from going number one in the future. Chris Stapleton and Kacey Musgraves are one of the few modern country acts I actually enjoy.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 24, 2023 12:44:31 GMT -5
My counter is that getting some news stories isn't the same thing as sufficient public exposure, especially when some people just read about the incident in text form or watch a newspiece where at most you get soundless clips of the MV. This isn't a song you'd hear in the shops; even if you're in an area where Country radio is what the shops play, it's only #27 on that format, so there's a good chance your local stations don't even have it on rotation (trust me, as someone who has coworkers and family who tune in with some regularity, some of those playlists are like 10-12 current songs long, with some '10s and older songs to pad it out). The people who bought the song, they're not the type to blare it out of their car or phone in public, heck, whether they play it at all is up in the air if they just bought it to "own the libs". What exposure it did get I feel is best reflected in the streams it got, ~10m: significant enough that it'd perhaps merit a top 40 debut, but not an amount where it feels like the sales are an understable supplement in normal circumstances (e.g. the 70k sales that accompanied the over 50m streams Flowers debuted with). Eh, when a new song by a major star debuts, the first week of sales/streams are more about curiosity than anything as people check out the new song by someone popular. Is that really any different than checking out a song because it's in the news? But as has been said, the song has held up in streams so on some level it's popular.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 24, 2023 13:08:46 GMT -5
My counter is that getting some news stories isn't the same thing as sufficient public exposure, especially when some people just read about the incident in text form or watch a newspiece where at most you get soundless clips of the MV. This isn't a song you'd hear in the shops; even if you're in an area where Country radio is what the shops play, it's only #27 on that format, so there's a good chance your local stations don't even have it on rotation (trust me, as someone who has coworkers and family who tune in with some regularity, some of those playlists are like 10-12 current songs long, with some '10s and older songs to pad it out). The people who bought the song, they're not the type to blare it out of their car or phone in public, heck, whether they play it at all is up in the air if they just bought it to "own the libs". What exposure it did get I feel is best reflected in the streams it got, ~10m: significant enough that it'd perhaps merit a top 40 debut, but not an amount where it feels like the sales are an understable supplement in normal circumstances (e.g. the 70k sales that accompanied the over 50m streams Flowers debuted with). Eh, when a new song by a major star debuts, the first week of sales/streams are more about curiosity than anything as people check out the new song by someone popular. Is that really any different than checking out a song because it's in the news? But as has been said, the song has held up in streams so on some level it's popular. In the *old* days, those curiosity listens - it was usually done through iTunes song preview. Unlike today, those 30 - 45 sec previews wouldn't get monetized or recorded for charts. It's always been my suspicion that a lot of the here-this week, gone-next week album bombs are really just that - listeners just checking out tracks and then moving on. It'd be interesting if the plays metric was upped from 30-sec to 1 minute. I bet we'd see some interesting drops. I suspect we'll get a very late drop by Billboard today.
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Post by sheardbeard on Jul 24, 2023 13:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by pnobelysk on Jul 24, 2023 13:23:14 GMT -5
Suddenly Iβm a KPOP Stan
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Post by lyhom on Jul 24, 2023 13:26:58 GMT -5
(ignore that the washed up controversy bait will have a good shot at going #1 next week but small victories)
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Post by Gary on Jul 24, 2023 13:28:00 GMT -5
1st Hot 100 top 10 for Jason Aldean since Dirt Road Anthem in 2011
4th #1 debut of the year (3rd during the run of 'Last Night')
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Post by Ryan on Jul 24, 2023 13:30:10 GMT -5
K-pop saved the day. Who would have thought it.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 24, 2023 13:31:37 GMT -5
7/24/2023 By Gary Trust
Jung Kook becomes the second BTS member to reign, following Jimin. Plus, Jason Aldean's "Try That in a Small Town" debuts at No. 2.
Jung Kookβs βSeven,β featuring Latto, bounds in at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart. Jung Kook becomes the second member of BTS with a Hot 100 leader, after Jiminβs βLike Crazyβ launched at No. 1 in April.
Latto also lands her first Hot 100 No. 1.
Plus, Jason Aldeanβs βTry That in a Small Townβ debuts at No. 2 on the Hot 100. The song, released in May, debuts with the biggest sales week for a country song in over 10 years, after CMT pulled its video, which premiered July 14, from rotation after three days, resulting in a surge of attention. The Hot 100 blends all-genre U.S. streaming (official audio and official video), radio airplay and sales data, the lattermost metric reflecting purchases of physical singles and digital tracks from full-service digital music retailers; digital singles sales from direct-to-consumer (D2C) sites are excluded from chart calculations. All charts (dated July 29, 2023) will update on Billboard.com Tuesday (July 25). For all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram.
βSevenβ is the 1,151st No. 1 since the Hot 100 began in August 1958. Itβs the 68th leader to debut at No. 1.
Streams, airplay & sales: βSevenβ soars in at No. 1 on the Hot 100 with 21.9 million streams, 6.4 million in airplay audience and 153,000 combined digital and CD singles sold from its release July 14 through July 20, according to Luminate. (The songβs original and instrumental versions were released July 14 and its βSummerβ and βBandβ mixes arrived July 17; all were available for download for 69 cents. The songβs original version was also available for purchase on CD beginning July 14 for $1.99.)
βSevenβ debuts at No. 2 on the Digital Song Sales chart and No. 4 on Streaming Songs. While below the all-format Radio Songs tally, it debuts at No. 30 on Adult Pop Airplay and No. 33 on Pop Airplay.
Jung Kookβs Hot 100 history: Jung Kook earns his first Hot 100 No. 1, or even top 10, following two charted songs in 2022: Charlie Puthβs βLeft and Right,β featuring Jung Kook, hit No. 22 (July), after Jung Kookβs own βStay Aliveβ spent a week on the list at No. 95 (February).
BTS now with 2 members with Hot 100 No. 1s: Jung Kook becomes the second member of BTS with a Hot 100 No. 1 (or, again, even a top 10), after Jiminβs βLike Crazyβ debuted at No. 1 in April.
BTS β comprising j-hope, Jimin, Jin, Jung Kook, RM, Suga and V β has posted six Hot 100 leaders.
The superstar Korean septet is now among elite company, as nine groups boast multiple members with solo Hot 100 No. 1s:
The Beatles The Black Eyed Peas Blind Faith BTS Destinyβs Child Fugees Genesis Hot Boys One Direction
Further, with BTS having logged six Hot 100 No. 1s and Jung Kook and Jimin with one No. 1 each, BTS joins The Beatles, The Black Eyed Peas, Destinyβs Child and Genesis as the only groups with leaders and multiple members also with No. 1s.
Latto leads: Latto likewise earns her first Hot 100 No. 1 with βSeven.β She previously hit the top 10 with βBig Energy,β which rose to No. 3 in April 2022.
Jason Aldeanβs βTry That in a Small Townβ roars onto the Hot 100 at No. 2, as it drew 11.6 million streams (up 547%) and 7.3 million in radio airplay audience (up 17%) and sold 228,000 (up 27,625%) July 14-20.
The track debuts at No. 1 on Digital Song Sales, where itβs Aldeanβs first leader, and No. 37 on Streaming Songs. While not on Radio Songs, it holds at No. 25 in its ninth week on Country Airplay.
The song scores the largest digital sales week for a country title (defined as by those that have hit Billboardβs Country Digital Song Sales chart) in over 10 years, since Florida Georgia Lineβs βCruise,β featuring Nelly, sold 244,000, as reflected on charts dated July 6, 2013.
On July 18, Billboard confirmed that CMT had pulled the official video for βTry That in a Small Townβ after three days in rotation; the network declined to say why. Following CMTβs decision, Aldean posted a message to his Instagram Stories addressing the contrasting reactions that the song and video have faced.
The songβs video, released July 14, features footage of an American flag burning, protesters in confrontation with police, looters breaking a display case and thieves robbing a convenience store. The clip has prompted a firestorm of opinions about it and the songβs intent and messaging.
Aldean achieves his second Hot 100 top 10, after βDirt Road Anthem,β which, helped by its remix featuring Ludacris, hit No. 7 in July 2011.
βTry That in a Small Townβ concurrently re-enters at No. 1 on Billboardβs Hot Country Songs chart, which employs the same multi-metric methodology as the Hot 100. (The single spent one prior week on Hot Country Songs, at No. 35 on the June 3-dated list, reflecting its first week of tracking.) Aldean adds his 10th Hot Country Songs champ. He first led with βWhyβ in May 2006 and had most recently reigned with βBurninβ It Downβ in 2014. He also notches his 37th top 10; heβs peaked in the top 10 at least once each year dating to his first such hit, βHicktown,β in 2005 β the longest active streak of annual top 10s on the chart.
Morgan Wallenβs βLast Nightβ descends to No. 3 on the Hot 100 after 14 weeks at No. 1; itβs tied for the fifth-longest command in the chartβs history. It lands an eighth week atop Billboardβs Songs of the Summer chart, having ranked at No. 1 each week since the seasonal recap returned.
Luke Combsβ cover of Tracy Chapmanβs βFast Carβ falls to No. 4 on the Hot 100 after three weeks at its No. 2 high.
Notably, thanks to Aldean, Wallen and Combsβ hits, which rank at Nos. 1, 2 and 3, respectively, on Hot Country Songs, the top three songs on the chart place in the Hot 100βs top four spots for the first time since the rankings began using the same formula.
Rema and Selena Gomezβs βCalm Downβ dips 4-5 on the Hot 100, after reaching No. 3, as it logs a fifth week atop Radio Songs (92.9 million, up 1%). It tops Billboard U.S. Afrobeats Songs for a 47th week, extending the longest reign since the chart began (in partnership with music festival and global brand Afro Nation).
Gunnaβs βFukumeanβ rises 7-6 for a new Hot 100 high β and reaches No. 1 on Streaming Songs (27.4 million, up 16%), where itβs the rapperβs second leader, after βDrip Too Hard,β with Lil Baby, ruled for a week in October 2018. βFukumeanβ tops both the multi-metric Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Rap Songs charts for a second week each. Two weeks after arriving as her third Hot 100 No. 1, Olivia Rodrigoβs βVampireβ retreats 3-7; Taylor Swiftβs βCruel Summerβ climbs 9-8, after hitting No. 7; Miley Cyrusβ βFlowersβ backtracks 6-9, after eight weeks at No. 1 beginning upon its debut in January; and, rounding out the top 10, Lil Durkβs βAll My Life,β featuring J. Cole, drops 8-10, after it debuted at its No. 2 peak. Again, for all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram and all charts (dated July 29), including the Hot 100 in its entirety, will refresh on Billboard.com Tuesday (July 25). Luminate, the independent data provider to the Billboard charts, completes a thorough review of all data submissions used in compiling the weekly chart rankings. Luminate reviews and authenticates data. In partnership with Billboard, data deemed suspicious or unverifiable is removed, using established criteria, before final chart calculations are made and published.
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Post by HamedM1 π on Jul 24, 2023 13:32:28 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2...
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 24, 2023 13:32:32 GMT -5
Normally I would say you could fucking keep it but in the face of Morgan closing in on Mariah's (soon-to-be-reclaimed) record and after Aldreck entered the chat...
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Post by musiclife on Jul 24, 2023 13:34:36 GMT -5
TTIAST will be #1 with 40M streams next week according to early predictions. As unfortunate as it is, there's not a good argument to be made that this song isn't being consumed by audiences. If Billboard were to try to throw out a song purely for its (awful) political message, they would really be burning their credibility. It has also sold 250k+ since Friday.
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Post by sergf13 on Jul 24, 2023 13:40:57 GMT -5
A lot of people thought BTS or its members wouldn't be able to get another #1 after D2C was removed, but it seems like the only way to stop their #1s is to remove sales entirely lmao.
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Post by Groovy on Jul 24, 2023 13:41:06 GMT -5
Beyond all the controversy, something else of note happened. For the sixth since 2020, we have a number 1 and 2 debut in the same week on the Hot 100. Prior to 2020 this only happened twice.
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Post by badrobot on Jul 24, 2023 14:21:49 GMT -5
A lot of people thought BTS or its members wouldn't be able to get another #1 after D2C was removed, but it seems like the only way to stop their #1s is to remove sales entirely lmao. It does seem like they can still get a single week at #1, but I don't see how they could replicate what they did with "Butter" again. Meanwhile it's kind of a bummer that of the 3 country songs in the top 5, the only non-problematic one (which is actually such a good song) is the one that's least likely to get to #1. Also I finally listened to Last Night, it's the first time I've listened to a Morgan Wallen song and I am surprised he's broken through to the mainstream so much, because it sounds just like any other country artist to me. I don't really understand what makes him so appealing to folks that don't typically listen to country?
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Post by tekkenguy on Jul 24, 2023 14:23:33 GMT -5
A lot of people thought BTS or its members wouldn't be able to get another #1 after D2C was removed, but it seems like the only way to stop their #1s is to remove sales entirely lmao. Getting some of BTSβs best streaming numbers really helped significantly. Most BTS #1 hits land somewhere in the teens.
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Post by mag on Jul 24, 2023 14:38:07 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2... Where in the song is race mentioned ?
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Post by musiclife on Jul 24, 2023 14:47:45 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2... Where in the song is race mentioned ? It isn't. The location in the video is the problem.
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Post by snidelaughter on Jul 24, 2023 14:58:30 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2... Where in the song is race mentioned ? the song is a degree of separation from the Key and Peele country song skit. the fact that various people of color are picking up on the songβs dogwhistles speaks volumes.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 24, 2023 15:25:30 GMT -5
Based on the overnight iTunes surge for the 10 versions of 'Seven,' I suspect the VPN'ers are going to make another attempt at the top. At a minimum, that should keep it in the Top 10.
I was optimistic CS might have a lane to #1 in the next month, but I'm not so sure now. Streaming seems to have peaked, radio is rising incredibly fast. Whether it maintains those levels or does a flash up/down isn't clear. Gunna is doing really well. Luke Combs is really gaining traction on Pop/HAC, even while peaking at country. LN is, well, LN.
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Post by 85la on Jul 24, 2023 15:34:17 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2... Where in the song is race mentioned ? It's not mentioned explicitly, as is often the case in racist pieces of work, but the implications and subtext are clear and strong. Anyways, I'm glad to see that Seven beat it for this week!! We can breathe a sigh of relief at least for this week.
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Post by HamedM1 π on Jul 24, 2023 15:35:48 GMT -5
Well the crisis has been avoided for now but still wildly disturbing, especially as a poc, to see that song at #2... Where in the song is race mentioned ? Girl we ain't doing this song and dance again in this chat nor did I address a reason for why I made my (very self explanatory) statement. If you can't pick up on reasons why others don't support the song after multiple pages of discussion then all I can suggest is to bust out the reading glasses and look at it all again. If you have further questions for me bring them to the dm's cause we don't need to have yet another discourse in dissecting all the problems surrounding Jason Aldean and the song in question. My post above was a simple sigh oh relief for the time being, case closed.
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Post by mag on Jul 24, 2023 16:40:01 GMT -5
Where in the song is race mentioned ? Girl we ain't doing this song and dance again in this chat nor did I address a reason for why I made my (very self explanatory) statement. If you can't pick up on reasons why others don't support the song after multiple pages of discussion then all I can suggest is to bust out the reading glasses and look at it all again.Β If you have further questions for me bring them to the dm's cause we don't need to have yet another discourse in dissecting all the problems surrounding Jason Aldean and the song in question. My post above was a simple sigh oh relief for the time being, case closed. Using the racial card is a political tool. If you donβt like something itβs ok to express your feelings about it. But attacking, insulting, cancelling, disqualifying something because you donβt like it (Iβm talking in general sense) is anti-American because we all have the right and freedom to express ourselves. Iβm not interested in keeping this non sense but trust me, the more people act the way theyβre doing trying to cancel something the more the people on the other side will stream, buy, support.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 24, 2023 16:53:21 GMT -5
If you're not a poc, then you wouldn't understand how we're feeling towards this song clearly. But yes, another discussion for another day.
Shotout to Jung Kook and LattoππΎ
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Post by shadowthehedgehogfan on Jul 24, 2023 18:24:05 GMT -5
Do you genuinely not understand dogwhistles? Because they arent that complicated.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 24, 2023 19:01:19 GMT -5
Can we not do this discussion again please?
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jul 24, 2023 19:28:51 GMT -5
Other debuts:
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Post by musiclife on Jul 24, 2023 19:56:10 GMT -5
I wish Thomas Rhett would get a huge hot 100 #1. He's so good.
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Post by renfield75 on Jul 24, 2023 20:11:14 GMT -5
"Cancelling is anti-American!" say Conservatives as they cancel CMT, Bud Light, Target, The Chicks...
Expressing your freedom of choice is the MOST American thing. People all over the political spectrum are free to *not* support something they disagree with. CMT is allowed to not air the video if they feel it's inappropriate. Jason's supporters are able to buy and stream his song. And we're all allowed to state our opinions on it. That's capitalism, that's free speech, that's America.
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