Billboard Hot 100: 10/28/2023

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 18, 2023 22:18:24 GMT -5 cooper said:

Oct 18, 2023 22:05:01 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Doing the bare minimum is now “all the chart tricks”. I wonder what the effort behind Anti-Hero would be considered as.

Lmao only swifties and chart obsessed individuals would consider this the “bare minimum”. But if that’s how ya cope then whatever

Compared to most other number ones in recent years? It kind of is lol. You being new here doesn’t make the point you’re trying to make any more true but if labeling me either a (chart obsessed) or b (a swiftie) helps you, have at it 💋

[fridayteenage]

People who are not "chart obsessed individuals" aren't even paying attention to whether cs has a remix so...

[cramkiss]

If ever a song is deserving of #1 it's "Cruel Summer." Folks have been talking this for months and now that it's finally on the horizon, here comes the complaints and criticism. Can't please everyone!

[cooper]

Oct 18, 2023 22:27:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 18, 2023 22:18:24 GMT -5 cooper said:

Lmao only swifties and chart obsessed individuals would consider this the “bare minimum”. But if that’s how ya cope then whatever

Compared to most other number ones in recent years? It kind of is lol. You being new here doesn’t make the point you’re trying to make any more true but if labeling me either a (chart obsessed) or b (a swiftie) helps you, have at it 💋

the bar is in hell if you’re comparing it to what we’ve seen in recent years, not really helping your point 🤷‍♂️ lol. The “bare minimum” would’ve been just discounting the single and kept it pushing, don’t be dense

[fridayteenage]

You've been here for a year yet more than half your posts are melting down over CS. Interesting.

[Mayman]

Oct 18, 2023 21:31:04 GMT -5 cooper said:

Oct 18, 2023 21:03:59 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Yeah, real unfortunate that someone would see an opportunity and seize it. Because that's never happened before in the history of the charts, ever. If anything it's a wonder it took Taylor THIS long to finally lock it down when 'Cruel Summer' could have been #1 months ago.

I mean, personally i’ve always condemned any type of chart trickery but I guess it’s so normalized now that people don’t bat an eye to it anymore (especially when their favs are involved like swift is). Lord knows the type of reactions we’d see in here if it were certain other artists

Why do people always feel the need to just be a contrarian for no reason? People are happy and celebrating to see a universally acclaimed song reach #1 after four years and then people have to come and spout nonsense. Like dude who actually gives a fuck about "chart trickery" for CS... it was predicted to challenge for #1 already before this. Now if it was predicted to be nowhere near the top 10 and is suddenly in contention because of several versions, I would be right there with you - but that is clearly not the case.

[Deleted]

Oct 18, 2023 22:18:24 GMT -5 cooper said:

Oct 18, 2023 22:05:01 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Doing the bare minimum is now “all the chart tricks”. I wonder what the effort behind Anti-Hero would be considered as.

Lmao only swifties and chart obsessed individuals would consider this the “bare minimum”. But if that’s how ya cope then whatever

The only people coping are the ones using meaningless terms like "true #1"

[theycallmedualian]

Anyhow, seething losers aside, swifties can start planning how 1989TV can get two #1s by mass buying the second most streamed song of the album on the next week. maybe even notify TaylorNation of this plan so they could make a remix in advance as well. then she'd have 4 #1s this year

[kcdawg13]

Lol this is like the least chart obsessed Swift has been in like 6 years, she pulled out all the stops for Anti-Hero and Karma and let's not even get started on willow. But Cruel Summer? It's been sitting in the Top 10 for 15 weeks already and she dropped a remix and a live version, that's literally nothing. It was gonna be #1 anyways so this is just pushing it's lead.

It's really hard for me to get mad at Taylor for doing this chart stuff anyways since we had basically 4 #1 hits this year that were chart goofed by sales (not counting Kill Bill and Die For You which also went #1 because of remixes).

[groovetheory]

This is an undoubtedly deserved #1. This remix ep is a kind of like a thank you and Cruel Summer did deserve a release like this for some time.

[velaxti]

Oct 19, 2023 2:43:07 GMT -5 groovetheory said:

This is an undoubtedly deserved #1. This remix ep is a kind of like a thank you and Cruel Summer did deserve a release like this for some time.

Well, it's standard practice for a single.

Maybe her and her label genuinely didn't know how close it was on the other weeks (that's hard to believe though)? Or maybe they just really want the simultaneous Hot 100 + box office #1?

It might have been #1 anyway without a single version, discount, etc, as it was joint 1st in the predictions before, but just imagine they didn't do anything and Cruel Summer ended up at #2, 0.5 points away from #1. It would've been painful for everyone. They did the right thing and it's such a relief, the next few days would've been so stressful for her fans otherwise lol.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 10/16/23

1(=) Drake, Yeat - IDGAF 1,857,304 (+11,753)
2(=) Bad Bunny - MONACO 1,377,237 (-78,455)
3(=) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 1,287,430 (+14,813)
4(=) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,231,112 (+21,187)
5(=) Drake, J. Cole - First Person Shooter 1,224,904 (+24,671)
6(=) Doja Cat - Paint the Town Red 1,181,718 (+28,019)
7(=) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 1,094,021 (+13,333)
8(=) Gunna - fukumean 1,043,044 (+37,843)
9(+1) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 882,277 (+2,653)
10(-1) Bad Bunny, Young Miko - FINA 866,129 (-69,237)

Bad Bunny - nadie sabe lo que va a pasar mañana [21/22]
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27(-5) HIBIKI 618,086 (-71,722) (--10%)
33(-6) MR. OCTOBER 587,526 (-68,692)
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38(-9) CYBERTRUCK 556,206 (-65,878)
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126(-28) THUNDER Y LIGHTNING 379,836 (-47,148)
163(-49) ACHO PR 340,540 (-52,272)
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Drake - For All the Dogs [19/23]
14(-2) Virginia Beach 811,170 (-28,530)
20(=) Slime You Out 706,385 (-13,076)
21(=) Rich Baby Daddy 705,606 (-2,233)
31(=) Gently 603,548 (-2,961)
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85(-2) Calling for You 441,275 (-10,082)
107(-4) Fear of Heights 404,383 (-14,599)
121(-12) What Would Pluto Do 383,501(-13,759)
141(-19) 7969 Santa 360,103 (-20,882)
146(-17) Bahamas Paradise 354,284 (-17,579)
155(-19) Tried Our Best 347,470 (-14,075)
161(-18) Another Late Night 341,119 (-11,178)
172(-25) Amen 333,508 (-16,661)
176(-20) Drew A Picasso 330,270 (-14,282)
182(-19) Members Only 324,312 (-14,833)
188(-15) All the Parties 319,491 (-11,985)
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Other:
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12(+2) Travis Scott - I KNOW ? 825,516 (+28,362)
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19(+4) Kenya Grace - Strangers 712,778 (+25,717)
22(-5) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 676,570 (-74,575)
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25(+8) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 630,235 (+29,506)
28(+10) KAROL G, Peso Pluma - QLONA 617,912 (+34,012)
29(+5) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 609,965 (+11,786)
30(+6) Olivia Rodrigo - bad idea right? 608,592 (+16,071)
34(+7) Travis Scott, Drake - MELTDOWN 581,161 (+27,090)
41(-16) Offset, Travis Scott - SAY MY GRACE 540,048 (-117,971) (-18%)
42(+4) Luke Combs - Fast Car 537,419 (+3,992)
44(+6) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 532,227 (+4,631)
45(+2) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 528,524 (-1,845)
46(+7) Zach Bryan, The War and Treaty - Hey Driver 525,965 (+5,883)
47(+13) Tyla - Water 525,423 (+25,515) *NEW PEAK*
48(+4) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 523,105 (+209)
49(-1) Taylor Swift - Style 521,189 (-7,896)
52(+10) Travis Scott, SZA, Future - TELEKINESIS 509,803 (+13,448)
53(-4) Taylor Swift - cardigan 509,164 (-19,114)
57(+13) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 499,539 (+19,803)
61(+10) Olivia Rodrigo - get him back! 495,414 (+16,689)
63(+4) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 484,700 (-1,968)
64(=) Taylor Swift - Karma 481,298 (-8,643)
65(=) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 478,638 (-11,282)
67(+8) Zach Bryan - Heading South 474,205 (+8,104)
68(=) Taylor Swift - Blank Space 474,030 (-9,907)
69(-6) Taylor Swift - august 472,278 (-21,506)
70(+2) Troye Sivan - One Of Your Girls 468,759 (-6,016) *NEW PEAK*
75(+17) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 451,158 (+17,148)
76(+19) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 449,795 (+18,201)
77(+8) Oliver Anthony Music - Rich Men North of Richmond 449,658 (+2,845)
78(+6) Zach Bryan, Noah Kahan - Sarah's Place 448,455 (+562)
83(-5) Taylor Swift - Lover 445,311 (-15,454)
88(-1) David Kushner - Daylight 437,536 (+2,345)
89(+2) Jung Kook, Jack Harlow - 3D 436,858 (+2,604)
92(+10) Calle 24, Chino Pacas, Fuerza Regida - Que Onda 433,923 (+11,364)
95(+2) Grupo Frontera, Bad Bunny - un x100to 429,055 (+1,443)
97(+2) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 421,143 (-3,387)
99(+22) Myke Towers - LALA 416,554 (+34,523)
100(+5) Zach Bryan - Tourniquet 415,882 (+4,726)

101(+6) Noah Kahan, Post Malone - Dial Drunk Remix 414,675 (+14,289)
103(-27) Ken Carson - Fighting My Demons 413,902 (-50,647) (-11%)
106(+2) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 406,054 (+79,05)
108(+5) Olivia Rodrigo - all-american bitch 404,332 (+10,257)
114(+6) Nicki Minaj, Ice Spice - Barbie World 393,120 (+7,807)
122(+13) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 383,157 (+19,841)
124(+34) Malum, Carin Leon - Según Quién 382,365 (+39,165) (+11%)
128(-9) TV Girl - Not Allowed 378,677 (-6,682)
132(-5) Laufey - From the Start 371,497 (-2,799)
138(+2) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 363,295 (+6,757)
140(-8) Taylor Swift - All Too Well (10 Minute Version) 360,475 (-8,913)
142(-38) Ken Carson - Jennifer's Body 356,431 (-59,336) (-14%)
143(+1) Ice Spice - Deli 356,154 (+5,122)
147(+4) Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 353,670 (+5,706)
149(+5) SUICIDAL-IDOL - ecstacy (slowed) 352,335 (+6,725)
154(-12) Taylro Swift - Lavender Haze 347,616 (-7,873)
157(+8) Fuerza Regida - SABOR FRESA 345,973 (+8,896)
160(+10) Jessie Murphy, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 341,239 (+7,968)
167(+22) Junior H - Y LLORO 337,786 (+20,050)
170(+2) Zach Bryan, The Lumineers - Spotless 335,177 (+3,360)
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178(+7) Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone - Me Porto Bonito 329,315 (+6,939)
186(re-entry) Steve Lacy - C U Girl 321,636
187(+11) Steve Lacy - C U Girl 319,708 (+8,335)
192(-17) Taylor Swift - Champagne Problems 317,499 (-11,239)
195(-11) Taylor Swift - Delicate 315,328 (-8,498)
198(-6) Taylor Swift - Getaway Car 313,633 (-695)

[thatpolishboy]

CS going number one is one of the most "true" number ones this year I'm so confused how anyone could argue that.

Is cooper a troll? Or something lol

[thegreatdivine]

Glad to know Taylor is still as chart-obsessed as ever lol.

Oh and for any Swiftie who'll read this and feel triggered to respond, don't. She discounted the song, released a single version and then dropped an EP to secure its rise to #1.

Swifties spent the last couple months remarking on how "she doesn't care about the charts anymore" just for her to remind y'all at the last minute that yes, she still does and very much so lol.

Anyways, congratulations on Cruel Summer reaching #1. One of my faves off Lover for sure.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

My only complaint is that she didn't release them sooner (as opposed to nearly the end of the week) and secure even more weeks at the top with this when she very well could've! I wanted the full push: music video, live video, performances, remixes, extended plays, it all!

So glad to see this is finally gonna hit the top! It really *has* been a cruel summer for Taylor's detractors. lol

[theycallmedualian]

Oct 19, 2023 4:36:33 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Glad to know Taylor is still as chart-obsessed as ever lol.

Oh and for any Swiftie who'll read this and feel triggered to respond, don't. She discounted the song, released a single version and then dropped an EP to secure its rise to #1.

Swifties spend the last couple months remarking on how "she doesn't care about the charts anymore" just for her to remind y'all at the last minute that yes, she still does and very much so lol.

Anyways, congratulations on Cruel Summer reaching #1. One of my faves off Lover for sure.

it's a positive thing that she is still chart obsessed as ever. the issue was why she took this long.

[Deleted]

Oct 19, 2023 4:36:33 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Glad to know Taylor is still as chart-obsessed as ever lol.

Oh and for any Swiftie who'll read this and feel triggered to respond, don't. She discounted the song, released a single version and then dropped an EP to secure its rise to #1.

Swifties spent the last couple months remarking on how "she doesn't care about the charts anymore" just for her to remind y'all at the last minute that yes, she still does and very much so lol.

Anyways, congratulations on Cruel Summer reaching #1. One of my faves off Lover for sure.

At least she's earning money. What is our excuse? lol 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 18, 2023 22:56:50 GMT -5 cooper said:

Oct 18, 2023 22:27:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Compared to most other number ones in recent years? It kind of is lol. You being new here doesn’t make the point you’re trying to make any more true but if labeling me either a (chart obsessed) or b (a swiftie) helps you, have at it 💋

the bar is in hell if you’re comparing it to what we’ve seen in recent years, not really helping your point 🤷‍♂️ lol. The “bare minimum” would’ve been just discounting the single and kept it pushing, don’t be dense

If you’re so bothered, why is this the first time you’re bitching? It’s not actually about the chart is it. Be honest.

[thegreatdivine]

Instead of Swifties acting like anyone who has an issue with using remixes/other tactics to boost the position of songs on the charts hates whichever artist engages in those sorts of shenanigans, how about you just let them express how they feel? Jeez lol.

[Groovy]

Oct 19, 2023 6:37:53 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Instead of Swifties acting like anyone who has an issue with using remixes/other tactics to boost the position of songs on the charts hates whichever artist engages in those sorts of shenanigans, how about you just let them express how they feel? Jeez lol.

Considering not too long ago, people were complaining about a different fanbase/artist doing the same thing.

[tfa20]

Swift does have a history of using chart manipulation tactics though which is something y'all are trying to sweep to the side.
Discounting the song on iTunes clearly wasn't enough for her to secure the No. 1 spot. She may have released that EP at a convenient time but she was in a two-horse race and it would have great to see which song won on merit.

[Groovy]

That being said, I'd much rather see Cruel Summer at 1 than PTTR.

[lazer]

Yeah, a lot of people here seem to make excuses for Taylor Swift compared to artists like BTS for doing similar tactics.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

What tactics did Drake and the country singers use?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 19, 2023 6:37:53 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Instead of Swifties acting like anyone who has an issue with using remixes/other tactics to boost the position of songs on the charts hates whichever artist engages in those sorts of shenanigans, how about you just let them express how they feel? Jeez lol.

If they make comments in a public discussion forum, they’re opening a dialogue.

[lurker2]

I'm relatively unbothered by the tactics Taylor used, it was probably going to number one anyway. The only really bad number ones this year were (IMO) Kill Bill, Like Crazy, and Seven. And even these weren't that bad, since a) Kill Bill was the biggest non-Christmas song for a couple weeks and b) They were one-weekers that only blocked other number ones from getting multiple weeks.

The really depressing number one blocks (IMO) are Laugh Now Cry Later and Rich Flex being blocked. Like I like Wap and Anti-Hero, but it sucks they missed number one cause of sales stuff. Also Gooba, I guess, but it's hard to feel bad for 6ix9ine lol

[Taylor.]

Aren't there more versions of Snooze and PPTR available than Cruel Summer, lol? She probably only needed to release the live version to cinch #1 but whatever, we know she loves a safety net.

Snooze: Explicit, Clean, Explicit Remix with Bieber, Clean Remix with Bieber, Sped Up, Instrumental
PPTR: Explicit, Clean, Sped Up, Slowed Down, Instrumental

Releasing remixes is a totally normal part of single promotion, also. It's only in recent years people have started calling it "desperate" as stans started playing closer attention to charts (and obviously yes, only certain fanbases actually started buying them). I also say this as someone who legitimately loves dance remixes and wants one for every single by every artist, lol.

[thegreatdivine]

Rose "Payola" Nylund agreed. I personally don't care that much this time around because Cruel Summer is a great song and my second fave off Lover after the title track, but I guess what I'm really saying is some people simply don't like songs being boosted to #1 using remixes/multiple single versions, etc. Doesn't matter how close they were to reaching #1 without them or not.

Another example: we're almost a decade into the streaming era and some people still have issues with albums charting entire songs on the Hot 100/flooding the top 10 with songs upon release because it's not something that could have happened 30 years ago. Doesn't matter how much anyone explains the streaming era to them, they still won't like it so you've just gotta let them have the right to their feelings, whatever they might be.

Regardless of how anyone feels about Cruel Summer reaching #1, it'll still be #1 come Monday. Same way most of us felt a way about most of the #1s of 2020 but that doesn't change the fact that they still topped the Hot 100, even if only for a week. It is what it is at the end of the day.

[imbuemyblue]

Oct 18, 2023 20:36:10 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

a #1 for 7 consecutive albums, no ? … technically? 😅

Yep! That's a tie with Mariah; not sure if anyone else is close to that.

[imbuemyblue]

Oct 19, 2023 7:00:18 GMT -5 tfa20 said:

Swift does have a history of using chart manipulation tactics though which is something y'all are trying to sweep to the side.
Discounting the song on iTunes clearly wasn't enough for her to secure the No. 1 spot. She may have released that EP at a convenient time but she was in a two-horse race and it would have great to see which song won on merit.

I'm sorry, but how was it 'clearly' not enough? She had a one point lead in the predictions and that discount and single release would likely have netted her several thousand downloads, I.e. enough to widen that gap by at least several points, possibly more.

Just because Taylor did more with the remix and live version doesn't mean she wouldn't have gotten there anyway (see also: her occupying the entire top ten, releasing version of ATW10 when there were articles stating they both would have secured their spots/records without those tactics). She has a history of doing the most just to be 100% sure.

Plus, the actual competition is PTTR which already has many versions available. You're not making the point you think you're making.

(Apologies for the double post; didn't realize I had done that)