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Post by Choco on Oct 29, 2023 21:09:51 GMT -5
I understand the complain about double dipping because it's the same album twice reaching #1 but I also find it hilarious because I'm certain Taylor Swift is the only act right now that could send covers of her own material to the top again, let alone outselling the original.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 29, 2023 21:11:40 GMT -5
^Technically, those would need to actually have shipped to actually count toward the Billboard 200.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 29, 2023 21:48:19 GMT -5
I need to take a second and appreciate the fact that Taylor will be #1 on the Hot 100 and BB200 next week with 1.5+ million sales. Lol that is just not happening anymore…
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 30, 2023 5:02:57 GMT -5
If only my fav had 1/10 of her selling power 😓😓
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Post by myhouse911 on Oct 30, 2023 13:55:41 GMT -5
I need to take a second and appreciate the fact that Taylor will be #1 on the Hot 100 and BB200 next week with 1.5+ million sales. Lol that is just not happening anymore… Technically, it happened a year ago, but same artist lol. |
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Post by GW on Oct 30, 2023 14:33:13 GMT -5
RE: double dipping
Re-recordings are always new entries. One big reason is they are often recorded and released on a different label than the original. Up until now, they've usually been collections of re-recorded hits, not recreations of studio albums, but the same rule applies.
Back in 1990, the Righteous Brothers "Unchained Melody" (original recording) re-entered and peaked in the Hot 100's top 20 as a single from 'Ghost' - and right alongside it was a newly recorded version released on Curb Records. It also peaked in the top 20, albeit a little lower, at the same time. Their voices were noticeably aged and different from the 1960s original, obviously, but the original single was only available in a limited run. People bought the re-recorded single, and many mostly likely were unaware it wasn't the original. The wording on the single's cover art was a little misleading, probably intentionally.
Taylor's are very clearly new recordings, and like others have said, not many artists have that kind of pull to chart a re-recorded album at all, let alone is such massive quantities. Hats off.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 30, 2023 16:06:37 GMT -5
I need to take a second and appreciate the fact that Taylor will be #1 on the Hot 100 and BB200 next week with 1.5+ million sales. Lol that is just not happening anymore… Technically, it happened a year ago, but same artist lol. I forgot to mention *with a re-recording* The biggest artists today (Drake, Bad Bunny, Beyonce, Billie, Olivia) aren’t even sniffing 1 million debuts and Taylor is casually doing it with a re-release. Not even the behemoth Adele could break a million with her last release. |
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Post by renfield75 on Oct 30, 2023 16:55:15 GMT -5
RE: double dipping Re-recordings are always new entries. One big reason is they are often recorded and released on a different label than the original. Up until now, they've usually been collections of re-recorded hits, not recreations of studio albums, but the same rule applies. Back in 1990, the Righteous Brothers "Unchained Melody" (original recording) re-entered and peaked in the Hot 100's top 20 as a single from 'Ghost' - and right alongside it was a newly recorded version released on Curb Records. It also peaked in the top 20, albeit a little lower, at the same time. Their voices were noticeably aged and different from the 1960s original, obviously, but the original single was only available in a limited run. People bought the re-recorded single, and many mostly likely were unaware it wasn't the original. The wording on the single's cover art was a little misleading, probably intentionally. Taylor's are very clearly new recordings, and like others have said, not many artists have that kind of pull to chart a re-recorded album at all, let alone is such massive quantities. Hats off. That situation with "Unchained Melody" was so bizarre. The original recording, which was huge on radio after 'Ghost', was only re-released as a 7" vinyl single (which wasn't a huge-selling format in 1990). The re-recording, which radio wasn't interested in, was released on the more popular cassette single format. The original version reached #3 on the airplay chart with no sales and the new recording reached #4 on sales with no airplay. Without that split the song likely would have outpaced its original #4 peak. As it is those Hot 100 peaks (#13 for the original and #19 for the re-recording) don't really reflect just how popular that song was in the fall of 1990. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 31, 2023 16:15:44 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=338227&title=TOP-20%253A-TAYS-WAYTuesday, October 31, 2023 TOP 20: TAY'S WAYTaylor Swift’s 1989 (Taylor’s Version) (Republic) is inching toward the first week of her Midnights, which opened with 1.578m in October of last year. Can the Swifties push it over the top and give Tay a new personal best? In the runner-up spot is PLEDIS/Geffen’s Seventeen. 
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 31, 2023 17:05:11 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=338227&title=TOP-20%253A-TAYS-WAYTuesday, October 31, 2023 TOP 20: TAY'S WAYTaylor Swift’s 1989 (Taylor’s Version) (Republic) is inching toward the first week of her Midnights, which opened with 1.578m in October of last year. Can the Swifties push it over the top and give Tay a new personal best? In the runner-up spot is PLEDIS/Geffen’s Seventeen. Absolutely insane. In the last month she’s had a number one album, two number one singles, and a number one box office smash. I wish she would have released an autobiography or a book of poetry just to really change the game 😄 |
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Post by musiclife on Oct 31, 2023 17:05:24 GMT -5
Very close to midnights!
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Post by Caviar on Oct 31, 2023 17:36:29 GMT -5
It’s passing Midnights.
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Post by musiclife on Oct 31, 2023 17:41:11 GMT -5
I think it will do a little over 1.6. They'll make sure it passes Midnights. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Oct 31, 2023 17:55:43 GMT -5
1.5 million sounds unrealistic considering Drake has top 2 on AM right now. The streams will not acccumulate more than 300k in sales. But it's Taylor so we'll never know. For what is worth, her streams on AM are split between the normal version and the later released deluxe version. Drake might even still have the #1 spot on AM given he’s so stronk there, but at least we know her streams aren’t combined. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 31, 2023 18:43:20 GMT -5
^No. 1989 TV deluxe is currently #1 (seems they combined both versions for this chart):
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Post by Mayman on Oct 31, 2023 18:48:24 GMT -5
^No. 1989 TV deluxe is currently #1 (seems they combined both versions for this chart):
The two versions are combined on the album chart but not on the songs chart. |
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Post by tobichartmaster on Oct 31, 2023 20:37:56 GMT -5
2023 Taylor Swift:
Two #1 albums including a 1.5 Million opening week
Two #1 songs including one that is a long lasting smash hit
IFPI global recoding artist 2023
A stadium tour that is shaping up to be the highest grossing tour of all time
A 200+ Million $ grossing movie
Reached billionaire status
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Post by theycallmedualian on Oct 31, 2023 21:07:14 GMT -5
2023 Taylor Swift: Two #1 albums including a 1.5 Million opening week Two #1 songs including one that is a long lasting smash hit IFPI global recoding artist 2023 A stadium tour that is shaping up to be the highest grossing tour of all time A 200+ Million $ grossing movie Reached billionaire status 15 million album units sold in the US 1 year (new record). 35-40 million units sold WW 1 year (biggest ever recorded). an album that goes back-to-back YE #2 (which wouldve been easy #1 if not released at Q4) and another album bare minimum YE#2 locked the upcoming year (dont wanna jinx obv) the only thing left to go after is Adele's 3mil opening. its not impossible. maybe if she does a ton of signed CD and take advantage the newly relaxed bundling rule, it could be doable. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Oct 31, 2023 22:12:24 GMT -5
2023 Taylor Swift: Two #1 albums including a 1.5 Million opening week Two #1 songs including one that is a long lasting smash hit IFPI global recoding artist 2023 A stadium tour that is shaping up to be the highest grossing tour of all time A 200+ Million $ grossing movie Reached billionaire status 15 million album units sold in the US 1 year (new record). 35-40 million units sold WW 1 year (biggest ever recorded). an album that goes back-to-back YE #2 (which wouldve been easy #1 if not released at Q4) and another album bare minimum YE#2 locked the upcoming year (dont wanna jinx obv) the only thing left is going after is adele's 3mil opening. its not impossible. maybe if she do a ton of signed CD and take advantage the newly relaxed bundling rule, it could be doable. That could very well be reached by TS11. |
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Post by BlueSwan on Nov 1, 2023 15:39:38 GMT -5
Love Taylor but this one is a bit of a miss for me. The new tracks are good, but I can't bring myself to play these new versions of songs like Blank Space, Style or Clean over the originals. Turns out Max Martin and his team isn't easily replacable.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 3, 2023 11:46:26 GMT -5
Friday, November 3, 2023
Of 748m total units U.S. YTD, Taylor Swift has 14.7m, including 1.5m for the first week of 1989 (Taylor’s Version), which amounts to a 2% overall marketshare. For perspective, Morgan Wallen and Drake are at 1% and 0.9%, respectively. Global marketshare is valued by the investment community at roughly $1 billion per percentage point.
We’ve spilled plenty of ink detailing what a force of nature Taylor is and how her domination of the marketplace from every conceivable angle is next-level. But she just seems to get bigger, and to rule every area she enters—the rerecorded albums, the massive tour, the blockbuster movie of the tour, the NFL games where her mere presence changes the center of gravity (even if the Chiefs have gotten off to a less-than-spectacular start to their season at 6 and 2). There’s been some conversation that a live album from Tay’s Eras Tour could be next to be announced, perhaps around the time of the 2/4 Grammys telecast, which she is also expected to rule. Will Travis Kelce be attending, or will he be preparing to defend his Super Bowl championship in Las Vegas?
In any event, now comes her biggest rerecording yet, along with a fresh avalanche of merch. What will she sell us next? And while we’ve just had news of her net worth hitting $1b, what is the valuation of Taylor Swift Enterprises? How many billions is she really worth, at a multiple of, say, 15-20 times earnings?
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 3, 2023 15:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by strongerq on Nov 3, 2023 16:12:40 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming| LW | TW | Artist | Title | Label | Total | Change | Albums | TEA | SEA | | -- | 1 | TAYLOR SWIFT | 1989 (TAYLOR'S VERSION) | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 1,586,516 | -- | 1,280,208 | 6,219 | 300,089 | | -- | 2 | SEVENTEEN | SEVENTEENTH HEAVEN | PLEDIS/GEFFEN (UMG) | 97,738 | -- | 96,122 | 33 | 1,584 | | 2 | 3 | DRAKE | FOR ALL THE DOGS | OVO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 95,549 | -18% | 312 | 356 | 94,881 | | 3 | 4 | BAD BUNNY | NADIE SABE LO QUE VA A PASAR MANANA | RIMAS (THE ORCHARD) | 76,531 | -17% | 678 | 299 | 75,554 | | 5 | 5 | MORGAN WALLEN | ONE THING AT A TIME | BIG LOUD/MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 67,107 | -3% | 1,988 | 751 | 64,367 | | 8 | 6 | ROD WAVE | NOSTALGIA | ALAMO (SME) | 47,037 | -10% | 133 | 99 | 46,805 | | 7 | 7 | TAYLOR SWIFT | MIDNIGHTS | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 45,082 | -16% | 12,979 | 657 | 31,445 | | 9 | 8 | ZACH BRYAN | ZACH BRYAN | WARNER (WMG) | 44,727 | -13% | 3,900 | 517 | 40,310 | | 6 | 9 | TAYLOR SWIFT | LOVER | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 44,497 | -18% | 12,737 | 871 | 30,889 | | 11 | 10 | SZA | SOS | TDE/RCA (SME) | 44,104 | -1% | 1,922 | 175 | 42,007 | | -- | 11 | BRENT FAIYAZ | LARGER THAN LIFE | ISO SUPREMACY (UNITED MASTERS) | 41,805 | -- | 690 | 134 | 40,981 | | 10 | 12 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | GUTS | GEFFEN (UMG) | 39,669 | -11% | 9,703 | 417 | 29,548 | | 4 | 13 | THE ROLLING STONES | HACKNEY DIAMONDS | GEFFEN (UMG) | 37,618 | -59% | 34,898 | 205 | 2,515 | | 12 | 14 | TAYLOR SWIFT | FOLKLORE | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 34,400 | -11% | 12,450 | 313 | 21,637 | | 17 | 15 | PESO PLUMA | GENESIS | DOUBLE P/PRAJIN PARLAY (THE ORCHARD) | 33,922 | 1% | 73 | 90 | 33,759 | | 13 | 16 | TRAVIS SCOTT | UTOPIA | CACTUS JACK/EPIC (SME) | 33,198 | -14% | 750 | 86 | 32,363 | | 16 | 17 | MORGAN WALLEN | DANGEROUS: THE DOUBLE ALBUM | BIG LOUD/MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 32,311 | -6% | 328 | 201 | 31,782 | | 15 | 18 | NOAH KAHAN | STICK SEASON | MERCURY/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 32,015 | -14% | 2,047 | 215 | 29,752 | | 20 | 19 | TAYLOR SWIFT | SPEAK NOW (TAYLOR'S VERSION) | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 30,501 | 0% | 12,635 | 336 | 17,530 | | 25 | 20 | TAYLOR SWIFT | RED (TAYLOR'S VERSION) | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 28,882 | 8% | 11,960 | 447 | 16,476 | | 24 | 21 | DOJA CAT | SCARLET | KEMOSABE/RCA (SME) | 26,955 | -2% | 483 | 470 | 26,003 | | 14 | 22 | FUERZA REGIDA | PA LAS BABY'S Y BELIKEADA | RANCHO HUMILDE (THE ORCHARD) | 26,524 | -29% | 104 | 63 | 26,357 | | 22 | 23 | ZACH BRYAN | AMERICAN HEARTBREAK | WARNER (WMG) | 25,970 | -7% | 1,357 | 231 | 24,381 | | 21 | 24 | TAYLOR SWIFT | REPUTATION | BIG MACHINE/BMLG (UMG) | 24,744 | -17% | 1,469 | 472 | 22,803 | | 26 | 25 | TAYLOR SWIFT | EVERMORE | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 24,151 | -3% | 10,033 | 237 | 13,882 | | -- | 26 | THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS | SOUNDTRACK | WALT DISNEY (UMG) | 23,671 | -- | 5,561 | 541 | 17,569 | | 29 | 27 | THE WEEKND | THE HIGHLIGHTS | XO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 22,802 | 4% | 339 | 154 | 22,309 | | 27 | 28 | BARBIE THE ALBUM | SOUNDTRACK | ATLANTIC (WMG) | 22,149 | -8% | 3,199 | 525 | 18,426 | | 18 | 29 | TOMORROW X TOGETHER | THE NAME CHAPTER: FREEFALL | BIGHIT/IMPERIAL/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 21,067 | -36% | 17,950 | 36 | 3,082 | | 19 | 30 | TAYLOR SWIFT | 1989 | BIG MACHINE/BMLG (UMG) | 20,656 | -35% | 924 | 197 | 19,536 | | 1 | 31 | BLINK-182 | ONE MORE TIME... | COLUMBIA (SME) | 20,633 | -83% | 8,103 | 400 | 12,130 | | 33 | 32 | BAD BUNNY | UN VERANO SIN TI | RIMAS (THE ORCHARD) | 20,488 | 0% | 171 | 74 | 20,244 | | 32 | 33 | BAILEY ZIMMERMAN | RELIGIOUSLY. THE ALBUM. | WARNER NASHVILLE (WMG) | 20,165 | -4% | 344 | 191 | 19,630 | | 30 | 34 | OFFSET | SET IT OFF | MOTOWN/CAPITOL (UMG) | 19,900 | -6% | 4,620 | 89 | 15,191 | | -- | 35 | GRATEFUL DEAD | DAVE'S PICKS VOL. 48 | GRATEFUL DEAD/RHINO (WMG) | 18,611 | -- | 18,570 | -- | -- | | 34 | 36 | METRO BOOMIN | HEROES & VILLAINS | BOOMINATI/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 18,471 | 2% | 125 | 48 | 18,298 | | -- | 37 | MICHAEL JACKSON | THRILLER | EPIC (SME) | 18,155 | -- | 2,183 | 683 | 15,289 | | 43 | 38 | TAYLOR SWIFT | FEARLESS (TAYLOR'S VERSION) | REPUBLIC (UMG) | 17,568 | 11% | 6,950 | 315 | 10,303 | | 35 | 39 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | SOUR | GEFFEN (UMG) | 17,471 | -3% | 3,071 | 118 | 14,282 | | 37 | 40 | DRAKE & 21 SAVAGE | HER LOSS | OVO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 17,264 | 0% | 75 | 29 | 17,160 | | -- | 41 | DURAN DURAN | DANSE MACABRE | BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (WMG) | 16,412 | -- | 15,369 | 142 | 902 | | 47 | 42 | THE WEEKND | STARBOY | XO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 16,319 | 5% | 847 | 39 | 15,434 | | 38 | 43 | FLEETWOOD MAC | RUMOURS | WARNER (WMG) | 16,318 | -1% | 3,321 | 181 | 12,817 | | 28 | 44 | KEN CARSON | A GREAT CHAOS | OPIUM/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 16,190 | -30% | 258 | 11 | 15,921 | | 40 | 45 | DRAKE | CERTIFIED LOVER BOY | OVO/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 16,149 | 0% | 15 | 26 | 16,109 | | 49 | 46 | LIL BABY | MY TURN | QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN (UMG) | 15,928 | 3% | 23 | 20 | 15,885 | | 44 | 47 | SZA | CTRL | TDE/RCA (SME) | 15,894 | 1% | 1,534 | 20 | 14,340 | | 45 | 48 | EMINEM | CURTAIN CALL | SHADY/AFTERMATH/INTERSCOPE (UMG) | 15,819 | 1% | 547 | 220 | 15,052 | | 39 | 49 | ELTON JOHN | DIAMONDS | ISLAND (UMG) | 15,515 | -6% | 677 | 315 | 14,523 | | -- | 50 | DRAKE | TAKE CARE | YMCMB/REPUBLIC (UMG) | 15,269 | -- | 112 | 25 | 15,132 |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 3, 2023 16:18:34 GMT -5
1989 TV first week SPS projected by HITS would have Midnights Billboard 200 first week equivalent albums by about 9k, with about 140k more pure sales but 119k less SEAs and 13k less TEAs. We'll see how it actually pans out.
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Post by 85la on Nov 3, 2023 16:21:15 GMT -5
So incredibly close, I'm surprised they didn't try to do anything to push it over the top.
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Post by parrotparent on Nov 3, 2023 16:26:16 GMT -5
RE: double dipping Re-recordings are always new entries. One big reason is they are often recorded and released on a different label than the original. Up until now, they've usually been collections of re-recorded hits, not recreations of studio albums, but the same rule applies. Back in 1990, the Righteous Brothers "Unchained Melody" (original recording) re-entered and peaked in the Hot 100's top 20 as a single from 'Ghost' - and right alongside it was a newly recorded version released on Curb Records. It also peaked in the top 20, albeit a little lower, at the same time. Their voices were noticeably aged and different from the 1960s original, obviously, but the original single was only available in a limited run. People bought the re-recorded single, and many mostly likely were unaware it wasn't the original. The wording on the single's cover art was a little misleading, probably intentionally. Taylor's are very clearly new recordings, and like others have said, not many artists have that kind of pull to chart a re-recorded album at all, let alone is such massive quantities. Hats off. That situation with "Unchained Melody" was so bizarre. The original recording, which was huge on radio after 'Ghost', was only re-released as a 7" vinyl single (which wasn't a huge-selling format in 1990). The re-recording, which radio wasn't interested in, was released on the more popular cassette single format. The original version reached #3 on the airplay chart with no sales and the new recording reached #4 on sales with no airplay. Without that split the song likely would have outpaced its original #4 peak. As it is those Hot 100 peaks (#13 for the original and #19 for the re-recording) don't really reflect just how popular that song was in the fall of 1990. I remember Shadoe Stevens, American Top 40 host at that time, actually DID combine the 2 versions for his 1990 YE Countdown & it ranked in the 30s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2023 17:33:34 GMT -5
Love Taylor but this one is a bit of a miss for me. The new tracks are good, but I can't bring myself to play these new versions of songs like Blank Space, Style or Clean over the originals. Turns out Max Martin and his team isn't easily replacable. Clean isn't a Max Martin & Co track. Both versions were produced by Imogen Heap |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 3, 2023 19:09:32 GMT -5
The deity herself, Imogen Heap.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 3, 2023 21:46:58 GMT -5
W TW Artist Total Change Albums TEA SEA
-- 1. MIDNIGHTS 1,537,699 -- 1,119,401 1,690 416,608
For reference, Midnights debut week estimates by HDD
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 3, 2023 23:27:43 GMT -5
Friday, November 3, 2023
According to our final projection, with 1989 (Taylor’s Version), Republic force of nature Taylor Swift lands the biggest first week of 2023.
Swift’s rerecording of her 2015 Grammy Album of the Year opens with 1.58m units on the HITS Top 50. Vinyl sales account for 600k of that total, breaking the record for sales of vinyl in a single week (again) while posting 300k in SEA.
Our chart gerbil advises us that there is a +/- variance of 1% in this projection, but if it holds, the new release edges past Swift’s previous set, 2022’s Midnights, which logged what was previously the biggest debut of her career. 1989 (TV) also surpassed the 2014 opening of the original album, which premiered with 1.29m units.
The "new" set amassed nearly 400m streams its first week. On 10/27, the album earned the most global Spotify streams in a single day in 2023 (so far); the megastar also earned the most total artist streams in a single day on the platform.
The rerecording also becomes 2023's 18th album to cross 1m units in total activity. Swift has six of those titles, including the original 1989. Since 2010, six of the eight albums to open with activity north of 1m units in their first week belong to Tay.
We note that she has three albums in the current Top 10, with Midnights at #7 and Lover at #9. Proving that other acts exist in the universe, PLEDIS/Geffen’s SEVENTEEN scores a #2 debut with SEVENTEENTH HEAVEN, which moves 98k.
Streeting this week are titles by BIGHIT/Geffen’s Jung Kook, CoJo/Warner Nashville’s Cody Johnson, RCA’s Kevin Abstract, Sony Latin/Joytime Collective’s Marshmello, Broken Bow’s Jason Aldean and Mailboat/Sun Records' late, great Jimmy Buffett.
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