Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[Enigma.]

She's probably very nice but why doesn't she have a team that cares about her and says that "this will not look good". No one is attacking her on personal level, it's all about CHOICES.

[joshtheking]

off to a horrible start on streaming and is already slipping on itunes. pop will probably hold onto this for a bit but i realistically can't see it getting any higher than like #15

[Ryan]

Jul 13, 2024 10:18:37 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Jul 13, 2024 10:15:44 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Publicly wishing for someone to have a breakdown and feeling smug about them being mocked and trashed by the media is a new low for me, and I've been on Pulse for 18 years. Thought I've seen it all but that is just so vicious. And you're saying all of that over... a pop song?

I’m saying it because she’s a trash person and she’s getting what she deserves. So I’ll say it again, I hope she has another breakdown. She’s the one breaking down over her unsuccessful pop songs.

She’s mean and making a women’s empowerment anthem with a known rapist and abuser. She’s trash.

Wasn’t she also mocking Britney’s legitimate breakdown? Yeah she’s due for her karma for sure.

Britney gave her the proper response: Her mouth speaks from that which fills her heart ❤️ Luke 6:45

I know what she said about Britney. But how are you any better than her when you're wishing for her to have a breakdown? You can always give constructive criticism about someone's errors, but what you're doing is definitely not that. Oh, and Katy has publicly taken responsibility for the insensitive things she said and has apologized, FYI. I'm sure she saw that classy tweet from Brit, read the Bible, and decided to do better. So maybe you're the one who should remind yourself of that Bible quote now. Again, we are talking about a pop star and a pop song. No need to be that vicious.

[popwizard]

Jul 13, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Jul 13, 2024 10:18:37 GMT -5 popwizard said:

I’m saying it because she’s a trash person and she’s getting what she deserves. So I’ll say it again, I hope she has another breakdown. She’s the one breaking down over her unsuccessful pop songs.

She’s mean and making a women’s empowerment anthem with a known rapist and abuser. She’s trash.

Wasn’t she also mocking Britney’s legitimate breakdown? Yeah she’s due for her karma for sure.

Britney gave her the proper response: Her mouth speaks from that which fills her heart ❤️ Luke 6:45

I know what she said about Britney. But how are you any better than her when you're wishing for her to have a breakdown? You can always give constructive criticism about someone's errors, but what you're doing is definitely not that. Oh, and Katy has publicly taken responsibility for the insensitive things she said and has apologized, FYI. I'm sure she saw that classy tweet from Brit, read the Bible, and decided to do better. So maybe you're the one who should remind yourself of that Bible quote now. Again, we are talking about a pop star and a pop song. No need to be that vicious.

Yes it is necessary to be that vicious because she still hasn’t learned by working with a known abuser on a women’s empowerment anthem. She’s mocking their pain and this is nothing new for her.

The reviews are catching and savage for a reason and it’s not just because the song sucks.

I don’t need you to agree. She’s getting what she deserves and I do hope it leads to another breakdown for her (which wasn’t even a legitimate breakdown - it was over a flop album). She’s trash.

[Maximillian]

Somebody mentioned if the GP even knows this exists. She was trending on X all day yesterday. This has been over all the news, entertainment and music blogs. #5 trending music video on Youtube as of now (higher yesterday). About 500k likes on her announcement post on IG from yesterday, plus a splashy radio deal. It certainly has "buzz", and is easy to find if you want to listen.

The IG and Youtube comments though make this forum look chill AF though. Oof.

[allow that]

Wait this is embarrassingly! bad. Who green lit this as a lead “comeback” single? I’m shocked Katy & her label think they have something here…

[Eternal]

A total misfire. I don't even know what they were thinking

[mkarns]

Jul 13, 2024 10:48:17 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Jul 13, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -5 Ryan said:

I know what she said about Britney. But how are you any better than her when you're wishing for her to have a breakdown? You can always give constructive criticism about someone's errors, but what you're doing is definitely not that. Oh, and Katy has publicly taken responsibility for the insensitive things she said and has apologized, FYI. I'm sure she saw that classy tweet from Brit, read the Bible, and decided to do better. So maybe you're the one who should remind yourself of that Bible quote now. Again, we are talking about a pop star and a pop song. No need to be that vicious.

Yes it is necessary to be that vicious because she still hasn’t learned by working with a known abuser on a women’s empowerment anthem. She’s mocking their pain and this is nothing new for her.

The reviews are catching and savage for a reason and it’s not just because the song sucks.

I don’t need you to agree. She’s getting what she deserves and I do hope it leads to another breakdown for her (which wasn’t even a legitimate breakdown - it was over a flop album). She’s trash.

"She's trash"?" As they say, "It takes one to know one". Piss off.

Which is not to say that this is a great comeback single--though if anyone was waiting for Katy to be the "saviour of pop music" or whatever someone said here, you may have been expecting way too much even if the song were a killer. She can and hopefully even now will do better, though the continued popularity of many of her previous hits--particularly the "Teenage Dream"-era ones--suggests that if nothing else she's still a solid legacy act. At least people are obviously still talking about her, so she isn't forgotten....

[Ling-Ling]

Jul 13, 2024 9:18:57 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

Entire point is song quality, I.e. the chorus, versus, make up of a song, melody. If it would've been received fine in a different time period, then the song itself is not garbage. If the song itself was garbage. It would've been garbage then too right? That's the point, which you insinuate that it would've been fine then as well, like I am referring to. So I'm just having a hard time seeing how something would've been fine then, and but garbage now, if we are solely going on the song itself. Please do not try to label me as trying to invalidate other's opinions when that is not the intent. 

You're attempting to strip this song of all current context and that's not how music or pop culture works. Not to mention, at best, this song is mid. Melody and make-up of the song? The melody of the verses is non-existent and the make-up of the song is poor and lacks any peak because it's missing a bridge/outro. The production is by the numbers. And you fail to mention the song's true failure, the lyrics. Outside of the fact that they're mindless, they're so tone deaf and oblivious to what's going on in the world that they're borderline insulting. In a moment where so many women feel like their rights are under attack, she delivers a hollow anthem with this dated brand of "I can have brains AND be sexy!" girl-boss feminism. It's out of touch and appeals to nobody, basically a Tampon commercial jingle that plays between reruns of The Client List on Lifetime. If she was going to deliver a feminist anthem in this climate, it needed to be confrontational. About overcoming and facing adversity (see Cher's "Woman's World"). And that's all before you work in the Dr Luke factor and the embarrassing misfire of a video. The entire package is a toxic stew that's culminating in these harsh reactions.

But again, this was all so predictable. She is not the artist to deliver a message song in these apathetic and chaotic times (or ever for that matter). And she is not the artist that can work with Luke and come out unscathed. All she needed was a solid pop song with a hot/current producer. I'm genuinely shocked that the ball was dropped this badly.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 13, 2024 10:24:45 GMT -5 Legenderry said:

We live in such a shitty world where the nicest people always get the most shit thrown at them

In no way do I think Katy "deserves" a mental breakdown or to go through mental anguish, but there is more nuance here to be found with her character than simply her being "humble" or "one of the sweetest people alive" and being unfairly/unjustly scrutinized. Tbh a lot of criticisms I've seen of her character throughout the years have been completely grounded, valid, and understandable. For instance, it's totally reasonable that people question her character working with Luke again knowing what she does. I totally get why people would be upset by that and why they wouldn't like her because of it. Now, the poster you are referencing obviously crossed over from legitimate criticism into the territory of just being nasty and unnecessarily hateful. But to say that Katy is just a humble, sweet as pie victim to a cruel world of unjustly critical people feels just as much of a stretch to me. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, as it does with most things.

[spiritboy]

I'm sure they've calculated some kind of backlash for working with Luke but i wonder if they expected this kind of huge reaction from people? She has risked her career by working with Luke, at least she could've released a good song.

[avamaxstan]

Jul 13, 2024 8:57:08 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

Jul 13, 2024 8:29:41 GMT -5 andrebra said:

Dr. L*ke aside, the quality of the song is not good which warrants a negative discussion. But even not taking the quality into account, people are still allowed to be upset and negative about a song written/produced by a rapist without it being dumbed down to “projecting.”

It gets dumbed down to “projecting” when it didn’t matter what she released, y’all would’ve dragged it no matter what it was. Completely understand people being off put by her working with him, but some of the takes/reviews of this acting like it’s a flaming pile of sh*t is a bit dramatic tbh. It’s underwhelming, should’ve had more of a punch for a comeback, but if we are going specifically on the song itself, if this was on the back half of Teenage Dream as an album track, I highly doubt it would be receiving the hate it has.

Music critical discourse is inherently within the context of its time, cultural trends and conversations. A terrible pop song produced by a rapist released in 2010 is not going to be received the same way as a terrible pop song produced by a rapist released in 2024. This should not be surprising.

[bboat11]

Jul 13, 2024 10:48:17 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Jul 13, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -5 Ryan said:

I know what she said about Britney. But how are you any better than her when you're wishing for her to have a breakdown? You can always give constructive criticism about someone's errors, but what you're doing is definitely not that. Oh, and Katy has publicly taken responsibility for the insensitive things she said and has apologized, FYI. I'm sure she saw that classy tweet from Brit, read the Bible, and decided to do better. So maybe you're the one who should remind yourself of that Bible quote now. Again, we are talking about a pop star and a pop song. No need to be that vicious.

Yes it is necessary to be that vicious because she still hasn’t learned by working with a known abuser on a women’s empowerment anthem. She’s mocking their pain and this is nothing new for her.

The reviews are catching and savage for a reason and it’s not just because the song sucks.

I don’t need you to agree. She’s getting what she deserves and I do hope it leads to another breakdown for her (which wasn’t even a legitimate breakdown - it was over a flop album). She’s trash.

That's enough. It's perfectly fine to dislike Katy and the song, and offer constructive criticism, but saying the same thing over and over and over and over in such a confrontational manner is derailing the thread and contributing nothing constructive.

I encourage everyone to block and/or ignore the people who obviously are just trying to get reactions! We will continue watching this thread closely and take action as needed.

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

Jul 13, 2024 11:12:50 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Jul 13, 2024 9:18:57 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

Entire point is song quality, I.e. the chorus, versus, make up of a song, melody. If it would've been received fine in a different time period, then the song itself is not garbage. If the song itself was garbage. It would've been garbage then too right? That's the point, which you insinuate that it would've been fine then as well, like I am referring to. So I'm just having a hard time seeing how something would've been fine then, and but garbage now, if we are solely going on the song itself. Please do not try to label me as trying to invalidate other's opinions when that is not the intent. 

You're attempting to strip this song of all current context and that's not how music or pop culture works. Not to mention, at best, this song is mid. Melody and make-up of the song? The melody of the verses is non-existent and the make-up of the song is poor and lacks any peak because it's missing a bridge/outro. The production is by the numbers. And you fail to mention the song's true failure, the lyrics. Outside of the fact that they're mindless, they're so tone deaf and oblivious to what's going on in the world that they're borderline insulting. In a moment where so many women feel like their rights are under attack, she delivers a hollow anthem with this dated brand of "I can have brains AND be sexy!" girl-boss feminism. It's out of touch and appeals to nobody, basically a Tampon commercial jingle that plays between reruns of The Client List on Lifetime. If she was going to deliver a feminist anthem in this climate, it needed to be confrontational. About overcoming and facing adversity (see Cher's "Woman's World"). And that's all before you work in the Dr Luke factor and the embarrassing misfire of a video. The entire package is a toxic stew that's culminating in these harsh reactions.

But again, this was all so predictable. She is not the artist to deliver a message song in these apathetic and chaotic times (or ever for that matter). And she is not the artist that can work with Luke and come out unscathed. All she needed was a solid pop song with a hot/current producer. I'm genuinely shocked that the ball was dropped this badly.

All of this, especially when there are huge teams behind these kind of releases. I've seen that kind of big marketing echo chamber stuff first hand and it's truly a mix of ego and just not being in touch with culture. Maybe they were so focussed on the potential Dr Luke backlash they just paid no attention to the rest of it. The video makes it so much worse, it comes across as a parody of 'woke feminism' to me and that's so uncomfortable.

That said! A lack of commercial success is enough. Not sure we (others in this thread) need to be wishing someone has a breakdown? Along with a detailed account of her personality (both positive and negative) for someone I'm assuming you don't know. Bizarre.

[andrebra]

Jul 13, 2024 11:13:25 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

I'm sure they've calculated some kind of backlash for working with Luke but i wonder if they expected this kind of huge reaction from people? She has risked her career by working with Luke, at least she could've released a good song.

That’s what’s confusing to me because I feel like it’s been pretty well known that artists who work with him like “sell their soul to the devil” in that yes they are gunna receive (rightful) flack for working with him, but they will at least get an inoffensive pop radio hit from it. The lyrical makeup of this makes it come across as tone deaf and I’m just not sure how she thought this would be a good idea.

[Resident_Evil]

Jul 13, 2024 10:18:37 GMT -5 popwizard said:

I’m saying it because she’s a trash person and she’s getting what she deserves. So I’ll say it again, I hope she has another breakdown.

That is disgusting. How the hell is she a trash person?? She has definitely made some dumb choices with Dr. Luke and this single but in no way does that make her a "trash" person let alone one that deserve a breakdown.

Now if you said Dr. Luke deserves a breakdown then that would've been a different story.

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

^ appreciate the criticism that I also laid on and I know you mean well but please no no no with anyone 'deserving' a breakdown.

[Maximillian]

This might actually be the nail in Dr. Luke's coffin. He has been getting some steady hits (his stats do not lie), but its been a handful of artists who have been working with him only. I really think people are going to think even harder now if they want to attach his name to anything (outside of contractual obligations, of course).

I mean, Katy did this one voluntarily with him. Oof.

[popwizard]

Jul 13, 2024 11:35:11 GMT -5 Resident_Evil said:

Jul 13, 2024 10:18:37 GMT -5 popwizard said:

I’m saying it because she’s a trash person and she’s getting what she deserves. So I’ll say it again, I hope she has another breakdown.

That is disgusting. How the hell is she a trash person?? She has definitely made some dumb choices with Dr. Luke and this single but in no way does that make her a "trash" person let alone one that deserve a breakdown.

Now if you said Dr. Luke deserves a breakdown then that would've been a different story.

Dr. Luke has already received public scorn and some degree of justice for his misdeeds. Katy hasn’t, so no Dr. Luke doesn’t deserve it. Katy does. She’s a hypocrite, and is getting a taste of her own medicine.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 13, 2024 11:38:37 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

This might actually be the nail in Dr. Luke's coffin. He has been getting some steady hits (his stats do not lie), but its been a handful of artists who have been working with him only. I really think people are going to think even harder now if they want to attach his name to anything (outside of contractual obligations, of course).

I mean, Katy did this one voluntarily with him. Oof.

A bright side to this! 🤩

[Enigma.]

In theory, this can be saved by people suddenly appearing on TikTok ironically wearing t-shirts that say

Sexy
Confident
So intelligent

But it's all giving:

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

To be fair, that first line is getting stuck in my head because at random points over the course of the week I've been saying SEXXXY CONFIIIDEENNT out loud.

But then it quickly switches to YOU'RE the ONE that I'VE BEEN WAITING FOOOOR.

[eagle27]

Her decline truly needs to be studied in the schools. I’ve always been a fan but no artist that has reached her peak has made this many career mistakes.

[wavey.]

Jul 13, 2024 11:54:03 GMT -5 HEADOFTHEPACK said:

To be fair, that first line is getting stuck in my head because at random points over the course of the week I've been saying SEXXXY CONFIIIDEENNT out loud.

But then it quickly switches to YOU'RE the ONE that I'VE BEEN WAITING FOOOOR.

SO INTELLIGENT

[Suono]

Didnt we want 2012 Katy back?

[lazer]

2012 Katy Perry had soul. This sounds like it was made for only corporate commercials trying to be inclusive.

[popwizard]

😂😂😂

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

[Maximillian]

Jul 13, 2024 12:48:01 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Lol.

NYT actually said this:

Headline: Katy Perry’s ‘World’ of Mixed Signals

"It’s a woman’s world and you’re lucky to be living in it,” Katy Perry insists in “Woman’s World,” a song with six writers (among them Lukas Gottwald, a.k.a. Dr. Luke, who was behind her blockbuster album “Teenage Dream” before his extended legal battle with Kesha). “Sexy, confident, so intelligent, she is heaven-sent,” Perry sings. “So soft, so strong.” With echoes of Madonna’s 1990s electro-pop, the praise continues throughout this synthesizer-pumped, positive-vibes affirmation of the obvious. It’s too bad the overblown video clip — including a postapocalyptic sequence dotted with social media influencers — doesn’t live up to the euphoric sound."

Bustle isn't a review. Its just a 20 second blog post that said who produced the song and then put up the lyrics and video. Those two sentences are literally strung together from different paragraphs.

[avamaxstan]

Jul 13, 2024 7:24:28 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:10:12 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

If zero top 40 hits from the era and scraping top 10 on album chart is "fine" then surely, she will probably be "fine". I just think her comeback had proper commercial potential.

And it still can, people are more negative than normal, and that's fine. People like the song and people don't. That doesn't mean things can't change, we'll just have to see..but IM not basing her future off of one song🤷🏾

I’d be more inclined to agree if we were back at the start of the Witness era where she had her first big stumble and just needed to get back on track. But she’s now been a non-factor commercially and creatively for *years*… This comeback single quite literally is the future of her career. At nearly 40, it’s probably her last chance to revive her music career.