Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[chickythelittlechicken]

Jul 14, 2024 12:00:50 GMT -5 Nick said:

I just hope she drops at least two more songs before September.

YAY!

[Dylan :)]

What even is the transcendental version? It sounds nothing like the original song, nor does it have any vocals. It shouldn’t count towards the Hot 100 points. Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to listen to, but it has nothing to do with Woman’s World?

Also, as said above, there is nothing special about the extended version. It’s just a longer drum intro and outro. Ignoring those, it’s still the exact same song

[Az Paynter]

I'm gonna presume auto-adds from the first day premiere are carrying, but this has 52 adds so far, and is most-added at the moment.

[eyeofthestorm]

the other two songs she previewed sounded great. I hope this doesn’t hinder any other potential good from the album.

[zdm1998]

Honestly, instead of releasing whatever those versions were apart of that EP. She should’ve just dropped a duet version with a female rapper. I heard an AI duet of it with a Nicki Minaj feature and it kinda ate tbh. Definitely would’ve helped more than that EP.

Honestly, just ride this one out real quick and see how long radio will embrace it, and what happens with streams, and as soon as it stalls, cut it and try to re launch with something else.

For sure going to need single two before the album comes out, cause this one isn’t going to last long.

[85la]

Jul 14, 2024 11:26:47 GMT -5 Choco said:

It doesn't take more than a couple seconds to understand that over on that context means her chart domination days are over. In the case of Katy she's not even half the icon Madonna was. She has a huge catalogue that will keep her fed for the rest of her life and she will always have a fanbase. It's just that she has now probably moved into legacy act prematurely. At her age, Madonna was still dropping career best projects.

Has it been premature though? Yes there's always Madonna, but it's quite unusual for female pure pop stars to maintain success around 40 and after. In terms of the major pop acts throughout history, her trajectory is pretty typical: three major hit albums over a span of 5-6 years, one or two albums marking a transition period where there is a notable decline (Witness for her), and then finally a complete bomb album, maybe anywhere from 8-12 years after their debut, where they have clearly settled into legacy status (SMILE for Katy).

This is more of the reason to me why I think this single is bombing: she just isn't popular anymore and no longer holds the limelight, so it will be that much harder or almost impossible to grab the public's attention, no matter how good the song is. And as far as these other two songs, sorry, but they have zero chance of doing better.

I'll admit I didn't like the song at all though after watching the video, but for some reason I liked it a little better just listening to the audio a couple times. I have the feeling if it were on Prism or Witness, when she was commercially much stronger, the song might have been passible as a single and done as well as maybe Birthday or Chained To The Rhythm.

[avamaxstan]

All this promo for a top 80 debut

[popwizard]

Jul 15, 2024 16:16:05 GMT -5 Kinney said:

Jul 15, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -5 Koochie said:

Hard agree that Dr. Luke is unnecessary. Setting aside his being an asshole, he hasn’t evolved as a producer in the same way he did from 2003-2012. Everything sounds so… fake. It’s just cookie-cutter brain rot pop. I’d argue songs like “Espresso” are above his pay grade right now. When he does try to push the envelope (Kim Petras), it sounds so forced and out of touch. He’s run into the same problem as Timbaland did in the late ‘00s.

The overall package for this rollout suffered because of his attachment to his song- both his production and his reputation. I’ve seen a lot of people miss the irony in the video, but why pay much attention to it when the song is… that? Total miss for both Luke and Katy.

It’s mot just him, though. To be completely honest, I’m fairly certain even Katy’s best work would’ve wound up like “Your Body”: very strong single, but total failure to launch. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t think Katy Perry still has a seat at the table. Nevermind Luke, what doe she offer?

It's been my opinion for many years that she is an artifact of the recession-pop years that has been coasting on whatever remaining goodwill she accrued during that time.

This whole single package reeks of 2010. The vaguely "inspirational" lyrics, the glossy visuals, the dated Bart Baker humor laden video...it's all so antiquated.

I think she's a relic that doesn't really have a place today, but she'll always be good for some karaoke I guess.

Bookmark my post and drag me to hell and back if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's any saving this era or Katy having any meaningful chart impact going forward.

Not even much of a relic. I didn’t realize her Vegas Residency was pretty mediocre with $46 million in revenue. Gaga did $112 million with less shows.

She had lightning in a bottle with Teenage Dream. 5 hits that made sense for radio and the music climate at the time, more than anything that makes more distinctive in my opinion. She’s an interesting case in pop because I can’t imagine who would be a Stan of her music. And a strong Stan base is necessary in my opinion for legacy longevity.

I wasn’t expecting her to have one of the worst pop comebacks, if not the worst, in history.

[Koochie]

Jul 15, 2024 6:32:42 GMT -5 Ryan said:

This ambient remix is interesting.

me laughing they just took like three stems and put it through a reverb filter cranked all the way up 😭😭😭 who asked for this

[leonagwen]

Remember 2 years ago when Lizzo released About Damn Time? The song debuted high on Spotify, dropped off the Spotify Top 200 after a few days, people were saying the song was a flop and her career was over. Then about a month later the song went viral, and it started streaming well on Sporify to the point where Lizzo got a top 10 Billboard hit. The same thing could happen to Katy. A viral moment can change everything.

[wavey.]

46 million is "mediocre"? 🤯

I agree, leonagwen, even the ladies a lil older than Katy were getting resurgence in their songs, so anything can happen.(IF they choose to really push it)Or we just gear up for the next single!

[Az Paynter]

Jul 15, 2024 22:35:45 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Remember 2 years ago when Lizzo released About Damn Time? The song debuted high on Spotify, dropped off the Spotify Top 200 after a few days, people were saying the song was a flop and her career was over. Then about a month later the song went viral, and it started streaming well on Sporify to the point where Lizzo got a top 10 Billboard hit. The same thing could happen to Katy. A viral moment can change everything.

Lizzo wasn't getting universally panned though, she just got hit with the 'flop' outcry. With the dumpster-fire reception this is getting, I don't foresee any sort of viral resurrection incoming.

[popwizard]

Jul 15, 2024 22:39:57 GMT -5 wavey. said:

46 million is "mediocre"? 🤯

I agree, leonagwen, even the ladies a lil older than Katy were getting resurgence in their songs, so anything can happen.(IF they choose to really push it)Or we just gear up for the next single!

Compared to her contemporaries I would say so. It doesn’t seem great.

Gaga did more than double/almost triple with less shows, and it was jazz.

JLo did $110 million. Britney $137 million (248 shows).

[kimberly]

there isn't much to add to the discourse around this, I think every outlet in the world published an article about how idiotic it is for Katheryn to reunite with thedoctorluke on a "female empowerment" caricature of a song.

my personal opinion, as a self-proclaimed early-mid 2010's katycat, is that this is deplorable and redundant. it is easily her worst lead single (regardless of the "Daisies" / "Never Really Over" confusion).

for me, one of Katy's biggest draws was her visual storytelling. lo and behold, she managed to tarnish that here, as well.

it's a shame, really. I'd rather her quit releasing music than release garbage like this that will cheapen the rest of her catalog.

[Az Paynter]

POP:
-- 26 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2474 0 2474 6.449

+368 Spins
+368 Bullet
+0.736 Audience

HOT AC:
-- 21 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1287 0 1287 4.669

+193 Spins
+193 Bullet
+0.614 Audience

[Choco]

These first week deals where they pretend to not see the universal rejection are so boring. Hit that wall already so we can see if they even bother with a new single.

[NeRD]

Right. The 8th day onward will be a disaster.

[Choco]

Yeah. I have been a supporter of radio staying on the Hot 100 for variety's sake but the disconnect is only growing bigger between what they play and what people seem to want. They'll go slow af for something smashing like Please Please Please but then play this nonstop for a few days becau$e rea$ons.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 15, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -5 Koochie said:

It’s not just him, though. To be completely honest, I’m fairly certain even Katy’s best work would’ve wound up like “Your Body”: very strong single, but total failure to launch. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t think Katy Perry still has a seat at the table. Nevermind Luke, what doe she offer?

I will say this absolutely crossed my mind with the recent continuing commentary I've seen about Katy herself amidst this song's release. Like a lot of people really seemed to target her in their critcisms that it made me question whether the song itself would have made a difference, which I'd never considered before. I know back in the Witness era it was her almost moreso than the music itself that received the worst/most criticism (the "cool aunt" criticisms of her SNL performance, her desperation to go viral in the "Swish Swish" video, her kooky-quirky demeanor in interviews like Ellen for example). It's like with her hair cut and everything that era she killed the image people had of her. It makes me wonder if that disconnect truly ruined her "cool" factor. As beforehand people really viewed her as a sleeker, sexier, almost completely different person and she built her entire brand off that image. People want back who she was beforehand, but in actuality it seemed she was never more authentically herself than during the Witness era (which she spoke out about). Obviously the quality of the music plays its part as well. Idk. It's just baffling how quickly things fell apart for her and how difficult she's finding it to get her footing.

[katebush]

Why this pulseversal Katy hate? Like all the other songs on pop radio have meaning or are musically standing. I think Katy´s vocals are top notch in this song. Now to get more exposure, somebody should respond with "Men´s World". Maybe Drake should do falsetto or Joe Biden could support his campaign with his lovely voice!

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 16, 2024 8:31:29 GMT -5 katebush said:

Why this pulseversal Katy hate?

I don't think most people here hate Katy at all. Discussions or critcisms don't equate hate. Now, most may hate the song. lol

[Choco]

Ah yeah pulseversal hate. I'm sure it's gotten rave reviews elsewhere.

(And the reason this being bland isn't an excuse for most people has been explained countless times already)

[Koochie]

Jul 16, 2024 8:31:29 GMT -5 katebush said:

Why this pulseversal Katy hate? Like all the other songs on pop radio have meaning or are musically standing. I think Katy´s vocals are top notch in this song. Now to get more exposure, somebody should respond with "Men´s World". Maybe Drake should do falsetto or Joe Biden could support his campaign with his lovely voice!

me

[wjr15]

I get why people don’t like this song but damn some of y’all have already buried this song six feet under and are still piling dirt on top.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 16, 2024 8:51:52 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

I get why people don’t like this song but damn some of y’all have already buried this song six feet under and are still piling dirt on top.

Well to be fair it's an incredibly interesting and current topic at a time where not much else is going on. I mean, if it were limited to only positive discussion what would be left? Radio updates until it hits that 8th day? A lot of people are either giving their opinion of the song or discussing the situation around it. It's all pertinent.

[Love Plastic Love]

Jul 16, 2024 7:55:20 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah. I have been a supporter of radio staying on the Hot 100 for variety's sake but the disconnect is only growing bigger between what they play and what people seem to want. They'll go slow af for something smashing like Please Please Please but then play this nonstop for a few days becau$e rea$ons.

Yeah, the deals are definitely...something. Like, CR is absolutely beloved right now by the general public and streaming huge, but has only slowly moved up radio and might go top 10 soon. PPP was slow af too, even when it was absolutely beloved and blowing up everywhere. But, then we have these deals where Katy and LilNas explode wildly up the charts even with songs that everyone in the world has shrugged their shoulders at, or songs by others that fly top 10 even when no one seems to even know they were released and that aren't anywhere near the top 200 on spotify. Like, I get that radio shouldn't be a 1:1 streaming match, but there just seems like a lot of cases where radio seems wildly out of touch lately, for deals or other unknown reasons lol.

I feel like we are going to have a lot of songs in the future where we are like, huh???? THAT song peaked THAT high on radio? Wut?


By the way, I disagree that Katy is a "relic"-I think some of her best music came in her last few cds and these songs show that she can adapt to a more modern musical landscape. It's just like they panic though when one of her best songs isn't a TD sized hit and start throwing out terrible songs that make her seem like a relic. She has 365, Never Really Over, Cry About it Later, Roulette, Harleys in Hawaii...it's just she is determined to release songs like this, Small Talk, and This Is How We Do or have really dated, obnoxious video direction. Like, Hey Hey Hey and Swish Swish weren't terrible songs to me, but the videos made me like them less lol.

[G-Reg]

I mean radio is basically just a promo tool for the labels at this point, sadly.

[Choco]

Jul 16, 2024 13:17:38 GMT -5 G-Reg said:

I mean radio is basically just a promo tool for the labels at this point, sadly.

It always was. Moneywise radio play gets you pennies compared to most other outlets, so it's not a money making tool directly. But it feels weird that they haven't said you know what maybe I won't autoplay every new release into top 20 just because.

[.indulgecountry]

This isn't amazing by any means, but I think it's a cute little bop honestly and the music video was entertaining enough. Definitely messy and over-the-top, but that's how Katy has always been. Kinda surprised by the overwhelming negative reaction to it tbh, lol.

[Dylan :)]

As I mentioned before, my local station only ever really played Hot N Cold and California Gurls. A few weeks ago, they added Roar, Firework and Dark Horse to the frequent rotation. They now play Katy two to four times a day. They finally played Woman's World this evening and have already played it a second time since