Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[Choco]

Jul 14, 2024 18:32:05 GMT -5 Grün said:

I'd just cut my losses and say this was a promo single, and release something else. This is doomed.

Too late. It's already pressed on vinyls and CDs.

That too was a weird choice. Like they really expected this to be a sure thing and gave no room to retool the project.

[Eqbk]

Watched the music video, and yeah, it's bad.

The song itself feels underdeveloped and incomplete. In theory, I don't mind if a song doesn't follow the typical song structure. Some artists have created great songs that have an unconventional structure, but in this case it was needed. There's also nothing special about the production. Any competent producer could have worked on this song and given her the same result, and yet, she went back to him. It's honestly kind of hilarious. He gave Doja Cat "Say So", Nicki "Super Freaky Girl", but for Katy, the person who is putting her reputation on the line and using the good-will/capital she's recently gained in order to re-introduce him into the pop world, he gives her this.

As for the video, I was just left puzzled and bewildered by the whole thing. It was just so random and whatever message she was trying to get across got muddied by the very obvious attempt to pander. The video bombards you with all these images and themes in attempt to take a stance but it's so cliche that it feels like satire. And it ultimately does not succeed in taking any sort of clear stance because it wants to make the message as vague as possible in order to offend as little as possible and cast the widest net.

Katy/her team/her label seem so focused on trying to re-create what made her successful, they forgot to make sure they also don't bring back what caused people to lose interest in her in the first place. The Teenage Dream era wasn't just successful because of the music, it was also because she was able to to walk the fine line between campy/quirky and corny/cheesy. Things started to de-rail with the Prism era (i.e. "Birthday" music video) and became a full blown cheesefest during the Witness era. Speaking of that era, people were not here for her "Purposeful Pop" crusade because it was shallow and she quite frankly, came off as ignorant and out of her depth. This song and music video are a prime example of exactly what people didn't like about Katy. So why did they decide to have her come back with a song called "Woman's World" produced by an (alleged) abuser (and accompanied by a video that features Katy's...special brand of humor)? This is exactly the type of tone-deaf move one would expect from Witness era Katy.

[Dylan :)]

Jul 14, 2024 5:25:21 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

I saw this over on PopJustice so IDK the source but allegedly next Friday Katy will be dropping a new EP a la Sabrina's 'Espresso' versions EP.



1. Woman's World
2. Woman's World (BRB Woman Version)
3. Woman's World (Doing The Most Woman Version)
4. Woman's World (Transcendental Woman Version)
5. Woman's World (Super Woman Version)
6. Woman's World (Naked Woman Version)

I'm presuming the following:

BRB = Instrumental
Doing The Most = Sped Up
Transcendental = Slowed Down
Super = Extended
Naked = Acappella

This is out now. The you were right about them all except Doing The Most is the extended version

[ObhiDonna]

Katy Perry via Stationhead - “I’m going to make a twitter poll for next single”

Looks like she is aware, but honestly when has polls and choosing singles like that ever worked? Girl, you already previewed half the album in long snippets.

[MissAmericana]

Jul 15, 2024 2:25:27 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Katy Perry via Stationhead - “I’m going to make a twitter poll for next single”

Looks like she is aware, but honestly when has polls and choosing singles like that ever worked? Girl, you already previewed half the album in long snippets.

Isn’t that akin to what she did during PRISM for her promotional singles (“Walking on Air” and “Dark Horse”)? It’s not a horrible idea, at least when stacked up against her other ideas this era.

[Ryan]

This ambient remix is interesting.

[Dylan :)]

Jul 15, 2024 6:00:49 GMT -5 MissAmericana said:

Jul 15, 2024 2:25:27 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Katy Perry via Stationhead - “I’m going to make a twitter poll for next single”

Looks like she is aware, but honestly when has polls and choosing singles like that ever worked? Girl, you already previewed half the album in long snippets.

Isn’t that akin to what she did during PRISM for her promotional singles (“Walking on Air” and “Dark Horse”)? It’s not a horrible idea, at least when stacked up against her other ideas this era.

Agreed. People can’t complain then if it flops. I’m glad she’s realising that Woman’s World was a misfire and she’s readjusting. Good on her

[wavey.]

Jul 15, 2024 6:32:42 GMT -5 Ryan said:

This ambient remix is interesting.

I- like things that sound like this?

[getouttamyway]

I just don't think any of the snippets she premiered are that strong, it seems unlikely she will be able to salvage this era. I can see the album missing even the top 10 on the Billboard 200.

Looking back at Smile, I have always thought there were genuine moments of brilliance and progression on that LP. Besides Never Really Over, Harley's In Hawaii, and Cry About It Later (which everyone seems to agree were genuinely great song), I think Teary Eyes, Only Love, and especially Resilient showed genuine improvement in Katy's craft. I'm highlighting Resilient here because while it's an empowerment anthem like so many Katy songs are, the lyrics felt genuinely thoughtful and well-written, the production was a bit different for Katy's style, and she chose to go out of her comfort zone and work with people from completely different musical zones (Tiesto and Aitana) for its single remix.

Can we also talk about how heinous the video is? I think Katy equated sexy with nakedness, and something about the video feels just so try-hard and desperate in its attempt to rejuvenate Katy's image as a sex symbol. I think the styling is absolutely awful for the video, and while Katy herself is stunning, the whole thing feels unpleasant to look at.

I had accepted Katy was never going to be a truly mature pop star, but it's sadder still to see her actively regressing.

[#LisaRinna]

Okay, but where is the Pop update? Az Paynter

[popwizard]

Jul 14, 2024 22:49:05 GMT -5 Choco said:

Jul 14, 2024 18:32:05 GMT -5 Grün said:

I'd just cut my losses and say this was a promo single, and release something else. This is doomed.

Too late. It's already pressed on vinyls and CDs.

That too was a weird choice. Like they really expected this to be a sure thing and gave no room to retool the project.

That’s why her and her team are probably shook. They probably thought this was a safe bet. It’s relatively on brand for her and it’s an epic flop if it debuts Top 70.

[upsidedown]

POP:
— 27 KATY PERRY Woman’s World 2106 0 2106 5.713

+316 spins
+316 bullet
+0.657 audience

HOT AC:
— 23 KATY PERRY Woman’s World 1094 0 1094 4.055

+213 spins
+213 bullet
+0.856 audience

[taylor]

I quite like the Transcendental Woman remix—that instrumental is so calming and since there’s no vocals included it can be applied to anything. I also love how the Naked Woman version (acapella) highlights how strong her voice is and how well it’s aged. Beyond that, there’s not really much to use with that single EP. I’m glad to see Katy is realizing her huge lapse in judgement and is offering fans the choice for her next single—makes me wonder if, despite the CDs/vinyls of WW already pressed and shipping soon, it’ll be pulled as a single rather swiftly. I just hope the fans on that Twitter poll choose right. I’ve not heard any of the snippets she shared on Instagram Live so I wouldn’t know what the correct choice would be, but whatever the poll says (I’ve not seen it—or maybe she hasn’t even sent it out?) the choices have to be undeniably mega smashes. I really want Katy to have her second wind.

[wjr15]

Yeah, it’s hard to sugarcoat the performance of this. If there’s no sign of life for this song outside of radio by the end of the week, they need to cut their losses and release something new asap. Based on the snippets, there’s better options on the album.

[Az Paynter]

Jul 15, 2024 8:42:12 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Okay, but where is the Pop update? Az Paynter

I was interrupted before I could post any of my rounds.

[#LisaRinna]

Jul 15, 2024 9:15:55 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Jul 15, 2024 8:42:12 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Okay, but where is the Pop update? Az Paynter

I was interrupted before I could post any of my rounds.

Let these gerls argue all they want and never let them stop you king.

[avamaxstan]

Jul 14, 2024 18:32:05 GMT -5 Grün said:

I'd just cut my losses and say this was a promo single, and release something else. This is doomed.

Hard to pass off the "promo single!" excuse after doing a 2-month build-up to the release

[avamaxstan]

Jul 15, 2024 2:25:27 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Katy Perry via Stationhead - “I’m going to make a twitter poll for next single”

Looks like she is aware, but honestly when has polls and choosing singles like that ever worked? Girl, you already previewed half the album in long snippets.

It's literally how Dark Horse (her biggest hit) became a single, so I'd say that's a way better choice than trusting her instinct!

[Az Paynter]

Jul 15, 2024 9:20:01 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Jul 15, 2024 9:15:55 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

I was interrupted before I could post any of my rounds.

Let these gerls argue all they want and never let them stop you king.

Oh no it was an off-forum interruption lol, of the 'gotta leave the computer to go do something else' variety.

[bat1990]

Here's the extended version. The comments so far are like "WHY DIDN'T SHE RELEASE THIS VERSION????"

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

Jul 15, 2024 7:31:53 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jul 15, 2024 6:32:42 GMT -5 Ryan said:

This ambient remix is interesting.

I- like things that sound like this?

This is great. Possibly because if I heard it out of context, it’s just some pleasant ambient that bears no relation to KP or Luke.

We’re all saying it but I need to rant for a second. Dr Luke is completely unnecessary at this point. The majority of his “sound” can be achieved with other producers, either those who worked with him or emulated him.

Like - the Kesha doesn’t NOT sound like it could be Dr Luke, aspects of it are similar enough to some of her earlier stuff. Espresso could easily be Dr Luke, it’s so close to Say So - but it’s not. All of the early Ava Max stuff is just Cirkut and it basically sounds the same as c2010 Luke work because he co produced a lot of it. It’s not like it’s him or nothing. Missing some melody, something seems off? Bring in Max Martin for a once over… which she is anyway. Why take the risk?

If it’s not about the production and they’re close, at best she’s giving huge visibility to someone who very unproblematic artists (Pink, Kelly Clarkson) have said was unpleasant to work with, at worst she’s propping up someone accused of sexual assault.

[SPRΞΞ]

Bought:

Extended
Sped-up
A cappella

All fabulous. I can’t even. Her tone and redub are her best yet.

[toxicbaby]

Wow the Doing the Most version is really nice. I can't believe how her team is dumb as fuck for not realizing that they should have released THIS version as the main one!!!

[Koochie]

Hard agree that Dr. Luke is unnecessary. Setting aside his being an asshole, he hasn’t evolved as a producer in the same way he did from 2003-2012. Everything sounds so… fake. It’s just cookie-cutter brain rot pop. I’d argue songs like “Espresso” are above his pay grade right now. When he does try to push the envelope (Kim Petras), it sounds so forced and out of touch. He’s run into the same problem as Timbaland did in the late ‘00s.

The overall package for this rollout suffered because of his attachment to this song- both his production and his reputation. I’ve seen a lot of people miss the irony in the video, but why pay much attention to it when the song is… that? Total miss for both Luke and Katy.

It’s not just him, though. To be completely honest, I’m fairly certain even Katy’s best work would’ve wound up like “Your Body”: very strong single, but total failure to launch. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t think Katy Perry still has a seat at the table. Nevermind Luke, what doe she offer?

[ampersand]

Jul 15, 2024 6:32:42 GMT -5 Ryan said:

This ambient remix is interesting.

I love this. The extended is a lot better too. I'm tired of pop girlies releasing these short songs and saving the best parts for the extended remix. 

[Love Plastic Love]

Katy also really excels at pop hooks, bridges, a build, etc. The under 3 minutes super short tik tok ready made no bridges or development allowed structure just does not work for her. She doesn't need to chase what works for teenagers right now lol. Especially when some artists notably still get hits NOT following that structure.

I am fine with fans picking the next single. Katy and her team have lost single-choosing rights lmao. They didn't want Dark Horse to be a single at all, missed out on some fantastic album tracks as singles, suddenly ditched HIH for Smile of all songs, and then chose this over the 6 other snippets we have heard that all sound better. Literally, all of them sound better. I don't always say this, but fans would probably choose a better song as the next single.

[ObhiDonna]

Jul 15, 2024 9:24:56 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Jul 15, 2024 2:25:27 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Katy Perry via Stationhead - “I’m going to make a twitter poll for next single”

Looks like she is aware, but honestly when has polls and choosing singles like that ever worked? Girl, you already previewed half the album in long snippets.

It's literally how Dark Horse (her biggest hit) became a single, so I'd say that's a way better choice than trusting her instinct!

Thank you for clarifying, for some reason I vividly remember that radio started spinning DH vigorously culminating it being a single.

I remember Gaga also tried doing the same and asked to chose between “Manicure” and “Sexxx Dreams” and look where they ended up, so maybe I was thinking along that line.

[schnetzka]

I mean the production sounds nice on the extended version but without a proper bridge and final chorus, I don't think anything will really make the song better. And I say this as someone who thinks the actual version is okay-ish. Could be better, could be worse.

[Kinney]

Jul 15, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -5 Koochie said:

Hard agree that Dr. Luke is unnecessary. Setting aside his being an asshole, he hasn’t evolved as a producer in the same way he did from 2003-2012. Everything sounds so… fake. It’s just cookie-cutter brain rot pop. I’d argue songs like “Espresso” are above his pay grade right now. When he does try to push the envelope (Kim Petras), it sounds so forced and out of touch. He’s run into the same problem as Timbaland did in the late ‘00s.

The overall package for this rollout suffered because of his attachment to his song- both his production and his reputation. I’ve seen a lot of people miss the irony in the video, but why pay much attention to it when the song is… that? Total miss for both Luke and Katy.

It’s mot just him, though. To be completely honest, I’m fairly certain even Katy’s best work would’ve wound up like “Your Body”: very strong single, but total failure to launch. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t think Katy Perry still has a seat at the table. Nevermind Luke, what doe she offer?

It's been my opinion for many years that she is an artifact of the recession-pop years that has been coasting on whatever remaining goodwill she accrued during that time.

This whole single package reeks of 2010. The vaguely "inspirational" lyrics, the glossy visuals, the dated Bart Baker humor laden video...it's all so antiquated.

I think she's a relic that doesn't really have a place today, but she'll always be good for some karaoke I guess.

Bookmark my post and drag me to hell and back if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's any saving this era or Katy having any meaningful chart impact going forward.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Yeah. Let's not act like the extended version is game-changing in any way. All it does is add some extra instrumental measures to the intro of the song. Same lazy beat, same tone-deaf lyrics, same robotic delivery, so, essentially, it's the same ol' song, just slightly longer. Maybe people are hearing a different version than I am hearing?