Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[Snowbeast]

Re: the new song….It’s Teary Eyes + Walking on Air. It’s safe, generic, and could have been an album track on her last 3 albums.

Is it going for that pre-mature nostalgia thing? Get pit bull on the remix

[Caviar]

Slaps

[Koochie]

About halfway through the video I got distracted and forgot I was watching it. Could not hold my attention at all.

The chorus is solid melodically. Good, albeit simple, chord progression. Production is…mid. There’s no real variety or excitement, just a bunch of loops and patterns on a multitrack, copy/paste for 3 minutes. Song structure is awful for this exact reason. If the idea was to make a cohesive dance track, then don’t lead with the chorus. Again, the chorus is good, but having it be the intro is like having dessert before dinner- spoils the appetite.

I’d feel differently if this was like, say, Kesha’s “Supernatural” where the verses strongly contrast the chorus (not sure why this was my point of reference, maybe because this song sounds like it should be a relic of that time) but…no. If this is another Luke track, he has completely lost his touch.

[Az Paynter]

Presumably you're talking about 'Lifetimes' Koochie but yes it's another Puke production.

[PGriffin]

Lifetimes is so generic and bland, but it should have been the lead single instead of WW (if they have nothing better).

[Az Paynter]

POP:
20 21 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 3166 3534 -368 4.884

-78 Spins
+4 Bullet
-0.165 Audience

HOT AC:
15 16 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1906 1915 -9 5.421

-19 Spins
-23 Bullet
-0.111 Audience

[Dylan :)]

Aug 9, 2024 6:07:53 GMT -5 PGriffin said:

Lifetimes is so generic and bland, but it should have been the lead single instead of WW (if they have nothing better).

I have only heard three songs so far that sound like they could have done better than WW as the lead - Lifetimes, Nirvana and the 21 Savage song. Although it’s my least favorite of the three, I wonder if it would have been better had she led with 21 Savage. The snippet of Lifetimes is flawless, but the actual song is a repetitive underbaked bore (being harsh but my standards were high), so maybe all the good snippets are the same. I’m just confused why she went back to Dr Luke if all he could give her was mid-production and basic lyrics. There’s basic pop that’s meaningless but fun, like Last Friday Night, and then there’s this

Let’s move on from Harleys In Hawaii as multiple lighting in a bottle moments of vitality moments couldn’t turn that into a hit. Justice for Roulette!

[mccloud]

Gimme Gimme should have been lead (yes the 21 savage song). Her and her team are clueless

[Dylan :)]

My only thing about Gimme Gimme is that it reminds me of Con Calma a bit. While it’s probably been her biggest song since Feels, it didn’t do amazing either

[Az Paynter]

'Lifetimes' isn't even on Spincrease lmao.

POP:
21 23 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2985 3519 -534 4.533

-181 Spins
-166 Bullet
-0.351 Audience

HOT AC:
14 17 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1896 1902 -6 5.271

-10 Spins
+3 Bullet
-0.150 Audience

[mccloud]

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

[COW COW COW COW COW COW COW]

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Careful there, someone might talk about how Katy got Tik Tok likes and so therefore a comeback was for sure in the cards…

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Aug 10, 2024 18:38:54 GMT -5 COW COW COW COW COW COW COW said:

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Careful there, someone might talk about how Katy got Tik Tok likes and so therefore a comeback was for sure in the cards…

no one told it was "sure in the cards", it was...oh forget it, this is just a moo point.

[Az Paynter]

POP:
21 25 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2737 3498 -761 3.940

-248 Spins
-227 Bullet
-0.593 Audience

HOT AC:
14 17 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1838 1921 -83 4.984

-58 Spins
-77 Bullet
-0.287 Audience

[Love Plastic Love]

It sucks that Hot AC even isn't giving this love. That format seems perfect for her and this song.

[Choco]

Hot AC is just a slower CHR clone most of the time. Since it tanked on the main format, the clone will ditch it too. The days of people like Kelly and P!nk slaying HAC without CHR or streaming are over, the format has no identity of it's own.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. Its not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

[Az Paynter]

We're in it 'til the wheels fall off baby!

POP:
21 25 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2554 3469 -915 3.471

-183 Spins
-154 Bullet
-0.469 Audience

HOT AC:
14 17 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1772 1942 -170 4.599

-66 Spins
-87 Bullet
-0.385 Audience

[mccloud]

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. Its not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

I mean her mainstream career as a relevant pop artist. This will be her 3rd failed era in a row (Witness had frontloaded fw sales). Yes she could write quality music and forget about radio/hits but seeing as it's been almost a decade of still pandering i doubt it.

[mccloud]

Aug 10, 2024 18:38:54 GMT -5 COW COW COW COW COW COW COW said:

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Careful there, someone might talk about how Katy got Tik Tok likes and so therefore a comeback was for sure in the cards…

Yeah G-Eazy had the #1 song on Tik Tok (and another in the top 10) for like 6 months leading into this summer then proceeded to drop an album that did not sell enough to make the Billboard 200

[collin]

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. It’s not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

I don’t think Mariah was ever as critically panned, universally agreed upon as corny tacky and lame and out of touch like Katy is.

[hyuna]

Katy needs a revamp asap. New team, new producers and different visions.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Aug 12, 2024 13:30:08 GMT -5 collin said:

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. It’s not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

I don’t think Mariah was ever as critically panned, universally agreed upon as corny tacky and lame and out of touch like Katy is.

Also, to be fair, I don't think when most people say someone's "career is over" they mean they'll crawl up into a shell and wither away, never finding lucrative endeavors, releaseling music, or ever having an ounce of further success generally speaking. I think they're obviously saying their career as a current commercial titan/relevant hit maker/cultural tastemaker is over. The commercial "prime"/"glory days" of their career is over. We know an artist can make a lifetime of work and visibility off of a few hit singles, least of all a career as noteable as Katy's. Though her quick falloff is quite noteable. Of course she's gonna be fine either way as every artist hits that point in their career eventually, I just think some feel for a career that once soared so monstrously it burst and fizzled out a lot more quickly than expected.

[Choco]

Aug 12, 2024 13:30:08 GMT -5 collin said:

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. It’s not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

I don’t think Mariah was ever as critically panned, universally agreed upon as corny tacky and lame and out of touch like Katy is.

I wasn't even aware of Pop music back then but I think Glitter was very much Mariah's lowest point and she was ridiculed to hell and back for multiple reasons including her weight. All the more power to her rebound that newer generations aren't even aware of that.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

I think when I'll write ✍🏾 Katy off is when she makes hit sounding song and the public ignores it then I'll say she is over. Katy set herself for failure with the negative press over Dr Abuser and these songs while not bad weren't exactly top of the charts material..

A person who has achieved success and done so much commercially speaking is one hit away and if people knew how low the media and sexist men took Mariah career it would have ended a less strong person. glitter, racist and sexist men running the industry and Media mad that Mariah was going to hip hop, dressing different, breakdown, being hospitalized etc. she was on every tabloid being called crazy, career over they said.Mariah was at the top and then at the very bottom and she needed one song and the public was like bitch welcome back. So yes it's a perfect comparison because all it takes is some good moves, focused promotion and GREAT music

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Aug 12, 2024 18:03:14 GMT -5 Choco said:

Aug 12, 2024 13:30:08 GMT -5 collin said:

I don’t think Mariah was ever as critically panned, universally agreed upon as corny tacky and lame and out of touch like Katy is.

I wasn't even aware of Pop music back then but I think Glitter was very much Mariah's lowest point and she was ridiculed to hell and back for multiple reasons including her weight. All the more power to her rebound that newer generations aren't even aware of that.

Mariah ever being ridiculoued for her weight was ridiculous. Charmbracelet really set the stage for TEOM IMO. It gave her, I believe, her biggest first week sales at the time and cemented this comeback arch that TEOM knocked out of the park with the 1-2 punch of "It's Like That" and "We Belong Together". It really was the perfect chain of events coming together accordingly.

[Enigma.]

Mimi was never in the same situation as Katy is now. Glitter bombed, yes, but she was still culturally relevant if mostly for the wrong reasons. Loverboy hit #2, Charmbracelet reached #3 on album chart sellin over 200k, she had a big comeback hit with Busta Rhymes soon after, and TEOM era has been discussed over and over again.

All this comparing to Katy being stuck in the past releasing songs that practically no one likes or even cares about and being tone deaf to the current climate. It's very different.

[Az Paynter]

POP:
21 26 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 2295 3429 -1134 3.012

-259 Spins
-219 Bullet
-0.459 Audience

HOT AC:
14 17 KATY PERRY WOMAN'S WORLD 1716 1941 -225 4.324

-56 Spins
-55 Bullet
-0.275 Audience

[avamaxstan]

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Aug 10, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5 mccloud said:

Yeah her career is over. Sad to see tbh I loved her singles from her first 3 albums

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. Its not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

The massive difference here is that Mariah was a phenomenally talented legend who had a career slump. Katy has none of the talent, legacy, pedigree, respect or acclaim to fall back on in the absence of commercial success. Her entire career rested on serving up fun radio bops.

[wjr15]

Aug 13, 2024 7:06:54 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Aug 11, 2024 12:33:14 GMT -5 Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint said:

Career isn't over she needs a revamp. One can have a career or make quality music and albums without success. It’s not about having HITS it's about quality tracks. She just needs a pivot, new producers and to drop the gimmicky videos and bring something new to the table.

End of the day you can't write of someone who has achieved as much as she has.

I lived through the 2001 era (or 97 when she ditched pop and went Urban) when people were writing this very thing about Mariah. Saying her career is over and it's 2024 and she is still thriving sans commercial success, selling out shows , Vegas and Christmas and relevant to the GP even without a hit in sight

The massive difference here is that Mariah was a phenomenally talented legend who had a career slump. Katy has none of the talent, legacy, pedigree, respect or acclaim to fall back on in the absence of commercial success. Her entire career rested on serving up fun radio bops.

Really? No legacy? She has a catalogue of huge hits that she can tour on for the rest of her career. Just look at how successful her Vegas residency was. She’s still an A-list celebrity who has taken on multiple business ventures. Even if she’s not a chart topper anymore, her career isn’t dead. C’mon now!