Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[GW]

I don't hate this song, I just don't itch to hear it. it doesn't feel fresh or substantial. the next single sounds like a bop.

as an observation, I watched a recent season of Idol (after not watching for several years) and as the news of her departure and a new album started circling around, she had this bold confidence. It was almost off-putting for someone who had such a rough couple of eras. then she said something about "the biggest hit of her career" was coming and I was like - oh, no. that is never a wise thing to say. it's the ultimate jinx. I don't know which song she was referring to, but it's setting herself up regardless. I'm all for having confidence, I just know how hateful people can be and how eager so many are to take the girls down.

there's just been something off about her, to me, in the lead up and roll out of this project. she seems like she's trying too hard or something, and it's a bit over the top. she's not acknowledging the elephant in the room at all (maybe she doesn't feel the need to feed into it?). I don't know. I just hope she's ok and that she keeps going even if this era doesn't do what she had hoped. I've always liked her and think her voice is one of the more underrated of the last 20 years.

[Love Plastic Love]

Aug 4, 2024 13:04:07 GMT -5 GW said:

then she said something about "the biggest hit of her career" was coming and I was like - oh, no. that is never a wise thing to say.

I felt the same way about some of the early press, which I am assuming came from her team, talking about how it would be one of the biggest pop comebacks ever or something. Like, why immediately put the project in the light of needing to be as good/big/impactful as Ray of Light or Emancipation of Mimi or Believe? lol. It just seemed unwise. That may or may not be their fault (maybe press just took the idea of a comeback and ran with it) but I instantly cringed when I saw headlines like that starting to come out.

Right now, its just about getting a solid airplay hit, which Lifetimes could do.

[Choco]

I honestly haven't seen or heard anything creatively that warranted the early comments and hype. Like, somebody heard WW and thought she was going back to her heyday? Weird.

[Maximillian]

I’d argue that getting airplay will truly be second at the moment to getting a streaming hit. If she bombs on the streaming numbers this next song, I doubt radio will save her on a second single.

[Az Paynter]

I'm expecting radio will drop this a little more quickly once 'Lifetimes' is out and they'll try switching to that.

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[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

I can be shady sometimes but I promise this is not that moment. I've always felt Katy made hits and unless she had a hit on her hand outside of her fans the general public didn't really connect with her. For someone of her stature and success she really never had the following Rihanna, Beyonce, Taylor, Gaga, Mariah , Kelly and etc had. It was inevitable that once those hits dried up like it tends to , people would gravitate away since there wasn't that human to artist connection. It just seemed they connected to her hit songs not her..

And how you gonna a launch comeback, a woman's anthem with the worst man possible to do a woman's anthem with. Like girl read the room!

[Suono]

Aug 4, 2024 10:16:08 GMT -5 Dark Horse said:

how did we/she end up like this? 

Sometimes I think the simplest answer is because of the blonde pixie cut in 2017

[Marooned@Midnight]

I was certainly vocal about the fact that despite how much I loved NRO and HIH, if they couldn’t become huge hits it was clear that Luke was a major part of her actually being successful and I wasn’t sure if she could have a real smash again without him. But I certainly didn’t mean she should actually go work with him, nor would I have thought she would have even if I did mean that. I’m glad to see the universal agreement that it’s tone deaf.

However, I really do want her to have another hit and I think several of the album snippets sound promising. I think just sticking with Max and nixing Luke and the whole concept of WW could have accomplished the goal.

[Az Paynter]

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[mccloud]

This is done. Like I said, should have dropped Gimme Gimme first.

[Az Paynter]

Now we're sliding!

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[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Wheeeeee we’re in for another ride! Can it rival Fortnight’s drop? That was this year’s biggest thrill of the summer fair so far!

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 7, 2024 10:13:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Wheeeeee we’re in for another ride! Can it rival Fortnight’s drop? That was this year’s biggest thrill of the summer fair so far!

Nothing can flop that hard.

[fearlessarrow]

Aug 7, 2024 10:13:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Wheeeeee we’re in for another ride! Can it rival Fortnight’s drop? That was this year’s biggest thrill of the summer fair so far!

This hasn't even amassed enough spins to drop that hard, poor Katy she's even being outshone by Taylor in the flopping department as well.

[avamaxstan]

Aug 4, 2024 10:13:43 GMT -5 balletgirlmom said:

I still am hearing Woman's World on radio a lot and I love it even more.  I think her video is a lot of fun and do not understand all the criticism about it and her.  I hope this re-enters the Billboard Hot 100!  Go Katy!

It sounds like you are precisely the consumer she was targeting with that record.

[Choco]

People keep saying things like "she should have dropped XYZ instead", and they all sound like 2010 rejects and all have Luke attached for the extra controversy.

This era is cooked and there's little to no chance of turning it around.

[COW COW COW COW COW COW COW]

Aug 7, 2024 15:35:58 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep saying things like "she should have dropped XYZ instead", and they all sound like 2010 rejects and all have Luke attached for the extra controversy.

This era is cooked and there's little to no chance of turning it around.

Still genuinely confused as to why so many people thought Perry was going to have a comeback. Of course her Stans on tik tok and Twitter were super excited, but why did people on this board correlate that to the general public? Perry is old news. Her getting a hit record in 2025, is like Taylor Dayne or Paula Abdul getting a hit record in 2001. It wasn’t going to happen.

Everyone has been turned off by Katy’s personality after Witness…and ‘the kids’ just see her as some random middle-aged woman with horse legs who takes gasoline up the gooch.

Do people not understand that Katy’s last #1 hit was ten years ago? And her most substantial hit after that was “chained to the Rhythm” in 2017. In February 2025, that will be eight years ago.

[popwizard]

Aug 7, 2024 18:22:27 GMT -5 COW COW COW COW COW COW COW said:

Aug 7, 2024 15:35:58 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep saying things like "she should have dropped XYZ instead", and they all sound like 2010 rejects and all have Luke attached for the extra controversy.

This era is cooked and there's little to no chance of turning it around.

Still genuinely confused as to why so many people thought Perry was going to have a comeback. Of course her Stans on tik tok and Twitter were super excited, but why did people on this board correlate that to the general public? Perry is old news. Her getting a hit record in 2025, is like Taylor Dayne or Paula Abdul getting a hit record in 2001. It wasn’t going to happen.

Everyone has been turned off by Katy’s personality after Witness…and ‘the kids’ just see her as some random middle-aged woman with horse legs who takes gasoline up the gooch.

Do people not understand that Katy’s last #1 hit was ten years ago? And her most substantial hit after that was “chained to the Rhythm” in 2017. In February 2025, that will be eight years ago.

I don’t think Idol did any favors for her brand, reputation or personality either. It seems like people didn’t like her.

[Love Plastic Love]

NRO went top 10 in 2020 on pop-it isn't like its WILD to think she may have another top 10 at some point with full label backing. Unfortunately, it did have to be a perfectly constructed comeback...and then they released this with Dr. Luke and another obnoxious video.

[collin]

It just feels like any other song would have been a better lead but no matter what she picks she will act like an idiot in the music video and during the rollout, so.

[Mayman]

Aug 7, 2024 18:22:27 GMT -5 COW COW COW COW COW COW COW said:

Aug 7, 2024 15:35:58 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep saying things like "she should have dropped XYZ instead", and they all sound like 2010 rejects and all have Luke attached for the extra controversy.

This era is cooked and there's little to no chance of turning it around.

Still genuinely confused as to why so many people thought Perry was going to have a comeback. Of course her Stans on tik tok and Twitter were super excited, but why did people on this board correlate that to the general public? Perry is old news. Her getting a hit record in 2025, is like Taylor Dayne or Paula Abdul getting a hit record in 2001. It wasn’t going to happen.

Everyone has been turned off by Katy’s personality after Witness…and ‘the kids’ just see her as some random middle-aged woman with horse legs who takes gasoline up the gooch.

Do people not understand that Katy’s last #1 hit was ten years ago? And her most substantial hit after that was “chained to the Rhythm” in 2017. In February 2025, that will be eight years ago.

I'm sorry that you think stans are the only people who exist on TikTok - but that's far from the case. Gen Z are the main people who use TikTok and they run on nostalgia. You've been on this site since 2006 so maybe you wouldn't understand that. The last couple years especially, people have definitely been clamoring for more good music from Katy. Just look at her TikTok she posted on June 3 before she started teasing Woman's World. The top comment - "Come save pop music Katy please." 48k likes on that comment alone. Now I'm not saying that TikTok comments are the definitive end all be all of hype - but the interest was there. She just needed to deliver the right song to capitalize on that, which this clearly isn't. Her recurrent streams have been increasing the last couple years as well. I think to say she had no shot at a hit is just not true.

[B****BetterGetNOSL333P]

I think it’s pretty funny that some people keep telling us that no one is check for Katy Perry, yet they keep coming back to Katy’s thread.

Katy just needs the right music & marketing to get hits. I hope her team & label would stop spending all the money on TikTok. Republic records is so smart spending on autoplay & playlists. Capitol records & Katys team better take notes.

[avamaxstan]

Even though this song will be 30x better than WW, it's doomed to flop as will any other single released. It'll probably debut with less than half of WW's streams.

[Az Paynter]

'Lifetimes' about to drop, lfgtfo!

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[Choco]

Aug 8, 2024 8:20:49 GMT -5 B****BetterGetNOSL333P said:

I think it’s pretty funny that some people keep telling us that no one is check for Katy Perry, yet they keep coming back to Katy’s thread.

This is a massive trainwreck of a comeback of course people are discussing it. It's not good press or even translating into hate streams, considering the song vanished from any sort of streaming chart on day 2.

As for her needing the right song, there's only so many chances your "right song" can get before no one cares. This to me felt like the last such time. Granted it's the streaming age. For all we know "Peacock" could finally become a single next month when it goes viral.

[SPRΞΞ]

If Lifetimes doesn’t connect, they need to let the audience choose the next single. Whatever is streaming the most.

[Az Paynter]

Won't matter if there's not a damn thing charting on Spotify or Apple lol.

[Koochie]

Katy kind of played herself here.

Had she not hard-launched their era with the album cover and snippets, she could’ve scrapped the original concept and gone in a different direction like Ariana did after “Focus” failed to take off. Her and her team were almost bizarrely overconfident in this.

Aug 8, 2024 16:20:06 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

If Lifetimes doesn’t connect, they need to let the audience choose the next single. Whatever is streaming the most.

I thought the label already said the fans were choosing it. Did they backpedal?

[Snowbeast]

[beachboi69]

Lifetimes is actually good.