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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 5, 2024 0:33:10 GMT -5
It has always stuck with me how some people compare Dua's career to Katy's, specially because Future Nostalgia truly felt like a 2020s version of Teenage Dream. And while the comparison is always in a fun manner (I'm big fan of both of them), I hope she doesn't end up with a similar fate. Yet, just as Katy, she took four years between albums! Like, I know artists get tired at some point, but four years is a large gap. Even more so if the artist in question lacks a devoted crazy fanbase. I fear Radical Optmism to become her "Witness". Hopefully, she can recover from it. Stranger things have happened in pop music in recent years. I really feel we need to stop comparing any pop album that doesn't do well to Witness. What made Witness well Witness wasn't just that it was a peak decline, it alienated Katy's audience from the first single alone. Not only that, it was paired with interviews and promos saying Katy was going to be more mature and self-reflective which is why Chained was the first single...before immediately pivoting back to safe pop. So not only did she turn off the people who wanted the upbeat pop with a single all about how upbeat pop sucks and imprisons people, she then turned off people who did want to see her be serious and were willing to give her a chance. And since, let's be honest, Katy never had the biggest fanbase for her personality or image the same way a Gaga or Taylor have, it left an album that didn't really appeal to anyone. This is not Witness or Man of the Woods or or Glitter or even Bionic. The fact of the matter is only a couple popstars have had sustained, huge success. People like Rihanna, Beyonce, Gaga, and Taylor who are still being talked about and make headlines, they're the exceptions. Everyone else has a rise, a big commerccial peak and a slow decline. It happened with Ellie, Kylie, Paul Abdul, Alicia Keys,Camila Cabello, Ashanti, Halsey, Meghan Trainor, that's not even mentioning European acts who never really crossed over like Becky Hill or Little Mix. Obviously everyone has different stories and reasons but most weren't by making an album as notorious as witness. People fall off and it'll always be like that. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 5, 2024 1:30:36 GMT -5
US Spotify - 05/03/24
1(=) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 4,443,690 (-188,418)
2(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 3,437,575 (+218,056)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 2,990,655 (-17,658)
4(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 2,780,792 (+70,498)
5(=) Taylor Swift - Fortnight 2,512,079 (-36,217)
6(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 2,182,198 (+79,956)
7(+1) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 2,114,342 (+81,107)
8(-1) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 2,002,744 (-71,034)
9(=) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 1,713,707 (-51,279)
10(=) Artemas - i like the way you kiss me 1,596,049 (-63,953)
Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department [16/16]
13(-1) So Long, London 1,369,408 (-57,500)
14(=) Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 1,351,991 (-31,679)
16(=) Guilty as Sin? 1,292,959 (-40,801)
17(=) But Daddy I Love Him 1,271,553 (-45,642)
18(=) My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 1,258,208 (-40,774)
19(+1) Florida!!!! 1,231,602 (-51,849)
21(=) The Tortured Poets Department 1,179,750 (-41,484)
33(-1) The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived 1,015,266 (-39,562)
35(+1) loml 926,320 (-34,056)
36(+1) Fresh Out the Slammer 916,121 (-37,469)
37(+1) The Alchemy 912,205 (-29,287)
48(+2) I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) 801,076 (-33,580)
53(=) Clara Bow 735,218 (-35,122)
Total Fiftteenth Day Streams: 20,490,207 (-3.2%)
Taylor Swift - THE ANTHOLOGY [14/15]
43(-2) So High School 867,318 (-28,959)
44(-1) imgonnagetyouback 861,864 (-23,011)
47(+1) The Black Dog 810,341 (-31,011)
58(+1) The Prophecy 719,765 (-25,802)
69(-7) How Did It End? 674,442 (-32,618)
75(-4) The Albatross 629,581 (-28,610)
78(-4) thanK you aIMee 618,467 (-21,508)
79(-7) I Hate It Here 617,984 (-31,664)
88(+5) The Bolter 577,863 (-4,297)
89(-6) Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus 575,069 (-28,965)
96(-2) Peter 558,714 (-18,231)
98(-9) I Look In People's Windows 555,840 (-31,710)
121(-13) Cassandra 491,682 (-22,093)
184(-19) The Manuscript 415,087 (-20,466)
Total Fiftteenth Day Streams: 8,974,017 (-7.76%)
Overall Fifteenth Day Streams: 29,464,224 (-4.64%)
Other:
11(+2) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,423,343 (-3,124)
12(-1) Drake - Push Ups 1,408,010 (-37,060)
15(=) Chapell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 1,314,315 (-41,067)
20(+2) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,210,392 (-4,879)
22(-3) SZA - Saturn 1,169,560 (-127,367)
23(+1) Djo - End of Beginning 1,161,715 (-641)
24(+2) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 1,158,462 (+16,915)
25(=) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,151,024 (-5,303)
26(+2) Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love) 1,125,635 (-1,787)
27(+2) Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign - CARNIVAL 1,106,988 (+37,437)
28(-1) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 1,103,462 (-32,654)
29(+2) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 1,065,046 (+7,494)
30(+3) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY (VHS) 1,037,496 (+43,096) *NEW PEAK*
31(-1) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 1,026,173 (-42,054)
32(-9) Lay Bankz - Tell Ur Girlfriend 1,017,588 (-146,655)
34(=) Sexyy Red - Get It Sexy 998,377 (+7,269)
38(-3) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 907,785 (-61,459)
39(=) Dasha - Austin 904,506 (-16,524)
41(+1) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 885,853 (-1,315)
42(+4) 21 Savage - redrum 873,875 (+29,911)
46(-6) BigXthaPlug - Mmhmm 826,229 (-88,528)
50(+7) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 737,579 (-19,871)
56(-9) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 730,981 (-112,403)
57(+4) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 730,001 (+17,509)
59(+9) Tate McRae - greedy 714,350 (+31,789)
60(-9) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 711,916 (-104,001)
61(-7) Don Toliver - Bandit 703,026 (-62,880)
62(-10) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 700,085 (-81,618)
63(+2) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 699,635 (+10,034)
64(-9) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 698,801 (-64,791)
65(+5) Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me 666,277 (+48,362)
67(DEBUT) Dua Lipa - These Walls 689,557
68(DEBUT) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 683,891
71(RE) Dua Lipa - Illusion 661,730
72(-5) d4vd - Feel It 661,044 (-24,708)
74(-11) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 637,042 (-64,982)
80(+6) Beyoncé - TEXAS HOLD EM 609,132 (+19,024)
81(+10) Jessie Murph, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 608,804 (+22,300)
82(+5) The Weeknd, JENNIE, Lily-Rose Depp - One of the Girls 600,912 (+11,080)
83(-2) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 600,297 (-11,605)
84(+16) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 599,791 (+50,019)
85(-7) Flo Milli - Never Lose Me 594,654 (-28,619)
90(RE) Dua Lipa - Houdini 570,003
92(-12) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 562,457 (-54,204)
94(-6) Myke Towers, Bad Bunny - ADIVINO 560,936 (-27,790)
95(-16) Zach Bryan - Heading South 560,797 (-57,709)
100(-23) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 552,293 (-73,083)
101(-3) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 552,132 (-4,810)
102(-7) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott - Cinderella 551,385 (-22,256)
104(-3) Yeat - If We Being Rëal 542,119 (-6,392)
105(-32) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 538,662 (-107,806)
107(+10) Fuerza Regida - TÚ NAME 532,299 (+39,054)
108(RE) Dua Lipa - Training Season 530,986
109(-10) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 530,972 (-25,609)
112(+22) Gracie Abrams - Risk 515,389 (+40,916) *NEW PEAK*
117(+11) Good Neighbors - Home 493,788 (+17,399)
119(-10) Olivia Rodrigo - obsessed 493,021 (-19,456)
122(DEBUT) Gunna - Whatsapp (Wassam) 491,178
123(-12) Xavi - Corazón de Piedra 489,132 (-9,841)
126(-5) ILLIT - Magnetic 481,657 (-3,900)
128(DEBUT) Yeat, Don Toliver - Heavy stunts 480,916
129(-17) Bakar, Summer Walker - Hell N Back Remix 480,636 (-16,171)
130(+2) Chappel Roan - HOT TO GO! 480,297 (+5,682)
132(-22) TV Girl - Not Allowed 477,685 (-29,966)
133(DEBUT) Dua Lipa - End of an Era 475,461
142(-26) Natanael Cano, Oscar Maydon - Madonna 461,540 (-32,594)
145(-25) Yeat - Breathe 459,941 (-27,472)
148(-17) Rvssian, Rauw Alejandro, Ayra Starr - Santa 474,643 (-12,735)
152(-26) Benson Boone - Cry 454,665 (-22,267)
154(-12) Daya - Hide Away 452,711 (-6,644)
159(DEBUT) Lil Tecca - Number 2 446,363
168(RE) The Red Clay Strays - Wondering Why 433,012
173(-1) Artemas - if u think i'm pretty 423,103 (-7,587)
176(-46) Brent Faiyaz, FELIX!, Tommy Richman - Upset 419,560 (-55,868)
190(RE) Ariana Grande - the boy is mine 409,415
191(RE) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 408,487
Total First Day Streams for Dua Lipa - Radical Optimism [5/11]: 2,927,737
Total Streams for MILLION DOLLAR BABY: 4,4750,71 (would be #1 with combined streams)
Biggest Gains (50K+): Dreams, Tennessee Whiskey, Father Stretch My Hands Pt. 1, Wind Up Missin' You, Wasted On You, Cowgirls, Thinkin' Bout Me, Like That, Too Sweet, A Bar Song (Tipsy), MILLION DOLLAR BABY
US TOP 20 WITHOUT TTPD
(#1. MILLION DOLLAR BABY)
#1. euphoria
#2. MILLION DOLLAR BABY
#3. Espresso
#4. A Bar Song (Tipsy)
#5. Too Sweet
#6. Like That
#7. i like the way you kiss me
#8. Beautiful Things
#9. Push Ups
#10. Good Luck, Babe!
#11. I Remember Everything
#12. Saturn
#13. End of Beginning
#14. Type Shit
#15. Stick Season
#16. we can't be friends (wait for your love)
#17. CARNIVAL
#18. Gata Only
#19. Lose Control
#20. MILLION DOLLAR BABY (VHS)
#21. Whatever She Wants
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Post by velaxti on May 5, 2024 3:11:45 GMT -5
The dramatics. Dua was never established in US, she was always a singles-artist who depended on multiple smash hits to make the total numbers/outcome fine. Never a first week or momentum type of artist. Even if this album doesn't manage hits, a re-release or new era could get one. This is similar to P!nk's "M!ssundaztood" to "Try This". Yeah. She’ll be fine. ;) I disagree with your hypothesis actually. I've seen the exact opposite happen. The pop stars who see a commercial decline but decide to carry on like nothing happened like Rihanna, Taylor Swift, etc. are the ones who have the best careers. They under-perform sometimes but just carry on. They eventually get a Rude Boy or a Delicate, they didn't panic or give up or scrap their albums or withdraw their under-performing single from radio or whatever when their lead singles under-performed. They just let it happen and moved on. The ones who panic and decide to start cancelling singles, or frantically release new singles every month, or decide to give up on promoting their album just because the lead single under-performed, or do stupid/risky things, etc. Those are the ones who suffer. The ones who are like "I'll be fine" and carry on as normal are the ones who are successful. The best thing Dua Lipa can do right now is release 2-3 post-album singles and see what happens and then get ready for her next album. I haven't listened to her album, so I don't know what the songs are like, but with post-album singles you can always get a new producer in to make a different instrumental for the single release if you want to (e.g. to make the song catchier, to make whatever song they choose sound more/less like a Future Nostalgia track depending on what they think is the best move to take, etc.). If you look at Miley Cyrus, she has been in "She'll be fine" mode for basically her entire career and she's been around almost 20 years now. She's had tons of under-performances and flops and never once panicked or decided her career was over or anything like that. She just carries on as normal. Her next lead single can miss the top 10 and she'll just not really care, she'll just release her next single as normal. |
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Post by suburbandreams on May 5, 2024 3:29:03 GMT -5
I disagree with your hypothesis actually. I've seen the exact opposite happen. The pop stars who see a commercial decline but decide to carry on like nothing happened like Rihanna, Taylor Swift, etc. are the ones who have the best careers. They under-perform sometimes but just carry on. They eventually get a Rude Boy or a Delicate, they didn't panic or give up or scrap their albums or withdraw their under-performing single from radio or whatever when their lead singles under-performed. They just let it happen and moved on. The ones who panic and decide to start cancelling singles, or frantically release new singles every month, or decide to give up on promoting their album just because the lead single under-performed, or do stupid/risky things, etc. Those are the ones who suffer. The ones who are like "I'll be fine" and carry on as normal are the ones who are successful. The best thing Dua Lipa can do right now is release 2-3 post-album singles and see what happens and then get ready for her next album. I haven't listened to her album, so I don't know what the songs are like, but with post-album singles you can always get a new producer in to make a different instrumental for the single release if you want to (e.g. to make the song catchier, to make whatever song they choose sound more/less like a Future Nostalgia track depending on what they think is the best move to take, etc.). You can't compare Dua to Taylor or Rihanna. The later are artists with big cults of personality while Dua is a hit dependent artist with an extremely small fanbase. Taylor has already had one of the biggest fanbase, her underperformance opened to over a million units while Dua is struggling to hit more 60K. Rihanna was more of a singles artist but she was still a megacelebrity with a well loved personality. Dua , in contrast, is a deliberately personality less deliverer of bops (her press run has been all about how that is purposeful strategy). Without bops, there is basically no interest in Dua. As a result, she is much more similar to Katy Perry who spent way to long on the Witness era after it flopped trying to get a hit out of that album. Her album just doesn't have any hits left. Trying to turn water into stone would just hurt Dua's reputation and kill of the last of goodwill for her on radio. Lastly, in the streaming era , it's extremely hard to get post album release hits. It basically requires the song to go viral on tiktok. This isn't the 2010s. With how many hits she haahd on FN, Dua had the momentum for post album release singles. She shouldn't waste the little momentum she has now on remaining tracks on this album which don't have any hits. Dua shouldn't panic but she and her team need to regroup. Do the scheduled promotions but don't push any more tracks. In three to five months, release a proper hit song that isn't afflaited with an album and then a few months later release the lead single for a new album with the album coming a month later not six. |
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