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Post by Choco on May 20, 2024 13:33:29 GMT -5
splattered copies have always existed. Have they? I did see at least in some countries ur only allowed to get a signed insert if you buy several copies of the album, haven't seen that before I thought Halsey did one for MANIC but I can't find it. Billie did a similar thing for Happier than Ever. It's basically a lazier way of doing a "signed" copy. |
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Post by musiclife on May 20, 2024 13:34:08 GMT -5
My TTPD But Daddy I Love Him variant shipped early. I was just notified like 1 minute ago. I guess they're shipping early can't wait to have it. ♥️ Wait, so they are shipping early and it just so happens to be the same week that Billie debuts? I just love the “well it’s a business!! It’s not about being kind and letting Billie get a good ending” defense from Swifties cause then what was the drama and outrage with Scooter buying her masters then lmao? Omg clocked! Lol nobody is clocked. We are talking about a battle for #1 not taking someone's life work away. Would you give your legs away if it was the right thing to do? |
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Post by fridayteenage on May 20, 2024 14:06:36 GMT -5
Have they? I did see at least in some countries ur only allowed to get a signed insert if you buy several copies of the album, haven't seen that before I thought Halsey did one for MANIC but I can't find it. Billie did a similar thing for Happier than Ever. It's basically a lazier way of doing a "signed" copy. it's not the insert thats new to me, but making ppl buy multiple copies as a bundle before handing it over |
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Post by iHype. on May 20, 2024 14:23:09 GMT -5
Wait, so they are shipping early and it just so happens to be the same week that Billie debuts? Omg clocked! Lol nobody is clocked. We are talking about a battle for #1 not taking someone's life work away. Would you give your legs away if it was the right thing to do? Both are music business moves. You created a random personal scenario that has nothing to do with business though. Either you think ethics/morals have no place in business discussion (“it’s just business!”) or you think they should have some consideration to a varying extent. If the Swifties think have no place then I’m confused on why we were subjected to hear about Scooter Braun being evil for multiple years. |
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Post by musiclife on May 20, 2024 14:34:31 GMT -5
Lol nobody is clocked. We are talking about a battle for #1 not taking someone's life work away. Would you give your legs away if it was the right thing to do? Both are music business moves. You created a random personal scenario that has nothing to do with business though. Either you think ethics/morals have no place in business discussion (“it’s just business!”) or you think they should have some consideration to a varying extent. If the Swifties think have no place then I’m confused on why we were subjected to hear about Scooter Braun being evil for multiple years. Because we are talking about stealing someone's work and taking it for your own opposite to fighting over a #1 spot on a chart. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. |
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Post by avamaxstan on May 20, 2024 14:48:36 GMT -5
Both are music business moves. You created a random personal scenario that has nothing to do with business though. Either you think ethics/morals have no place in business discussion (“it’s just business!”) or you think they should have some consideration to a varying extent. If the Swifties think have no place then I’m confused on why we were subjected to hear about Scooter Braun being evil for multiple years. Because we are talking about stealing someone's work and taking it for your own opposite to fighting over a #1 spot on a chart. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Sorry, I'm a swiftie but what we're not gonna do here is revisionist history and throw around words like "stolen" which is simply false. She and her family willingly signed a 13-year contract with Big Machine agreeing to give them ownership of the masters. When her contract was expiring, Big Machine made an offer to sell the masters to Taylor which she rejected because she didn't like the terms. A buyer (Scooter Braun) then came along and made a deal to purchase the entire label, including the masters. |
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Post by musiclife on May 20, 2024 14:55:21 GMT -5
Because we are talking about stealing someone's work and taking it for your own opposite to fighting over a #1 spot on a chart. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Sorry, I'm a swiftie but what we're not gonna do here is revisionist history and throw around words like "stolen" which is simply false. She and her family willingly signed a 13-year contract with Big Machine agreeing to give them ownership of the masters. When her contract was expiring, Big Machine made an offer to sell the masters to Taylor which she rejected because she didn't like the terms. A buyer (Scooter Braun) then came along and made a deal to purchase the entire label, including the masters. I know what went down and how it went down. It was still her hard work and someone came in and swiped it. Different from fighting for a #1 on the charts. Why are we even speaking about this? How does this have to do with this week and the projections. I knew when people ran out of ammo they'd try and go off topic. Lol play on play on. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 20, 2024 15:10:50 GMT -5
One minute she's a business marvel and genius, the next she's having her masters swiped from under her nose. Scooter is shady as fuck, but nothing was stolen. It was bought. Legally. As you've said - this is a business :)
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Post by iHype. on May 20, 2024 15:21:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm a swiftie but what we're not gonna do here is revisionist history and throw around words like "stolen" which is simply false. She and her family willingly signed a 13-year contract with Big Machine agreeing to give them ownership of the masters. When her contract was expiring, Big Machine made an offer to sell the masters to Taylor which she rejected because she didn't like the terms. A buyer (Scooter Braun) then came along and made a deal to purchase the entire label, including the masters. I know what went down and how it went down. It was still her hard work and someone came in and swiped it. Different from fighting for a #1 on the charts. Why are we even speaking about this? How does this have to do with this week and the projections. I knew when people ran out of ammo they'd try and go off topic. Lol play on play on. It’s not hard to understand you want her to be a cutthroat businesswoman but also keep referring to her as a victim in another business situation just because it didn’t go in her favor lmao. The point is the “nothing wrong with playing the business game smart!” argument with your fanbase of all people after this past decade is just so silly and really highlights stan culture picking and choosing when they find an issue with something. |
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Post by avamaxstan on May 20, 2024 15:29:11 GMT -5
I don’t even blame the stans. They’re just following orders from their leader, who has cleverly weaponized feminism against any situation that doesn’t go her way or person who dares cross her.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 20, 2024 16:16:36 GMT -5
I just love the “well it’s a business!! It’s not about being kind and letting Billie get a good ending” defense from Swifties cause then what was the drama and outrage with Scooter buying her masters lmao? Suddenly emotions and doing the morally right thing regardless of business came into play then. Billie opened her mouth first. Again, wanna act like a big girl you're gonna get treated like a big girl. Lol then she wants to bring out Damon Albarn to perform. Please... About the album variants thing or was it something else? |
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Post by artifexlife on May 20, 2024 17:32:47 GMT -5
I just love the “well it’s a business!! It’s not about being kind and letting Billie get a good ending” defense from Swifties cause then what was the drama and outrage with Scooter buying her masters lmao? Suddenly emotions and doing the morally right thing regardless of business came into play then. Again, wanna act like a big girl you're gonna get treated like a big girl. Lol then she wants to bring out Damon Albarn to perform. Please... I love that you say this but then completely act like Taylor Swift is some completely blameless victim in the Scoot Braun situation. Hypocrisy in stan culture knows no bounds. |
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Post by Grün on May 20, 2024 22:03:48 GMT -5
The entire Big Machine and Taylor fight was slimy. Either stay on the label and "buy" one album back at a time, or leave the label without the possibility of getting them back.
Sure she signed her life away 17 years ago or so, but does that make it right? That was her work that she wasn't outright given the opportunity to buy back.
This and Billie are not comparable. Anyone can be butthurt that your "fave" didn't debut at number one, but don't conflate the two scenarios. One is an artist owning their entire body of work and the other is getting blocked at number one debut.
In all actuality, I love that Taylor is actually making a difference in the music industry. She uses her clout for good in a lot of cases: rerecords, Spotify earnings, and Apple music.
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Post by iHype. on May 20, 2024 23:34:20 GMT -5
The entire Big Machine and Taylor fight was slimy. Either stay on the label and "buy" one album back at a time, or leave the label without the possibility of getting them back. Sure she signed her life away 17 years ago or so, but does that make it right? That was her work that she wasn't outright given the opportunity to buy back. This and Billie are not comparable. Anyone can be butthurt that your "fave" didn't debut at number one, but don't conflate the two scenarios. One is an artist owning their entire body of work and the other is getting blocked at number one debut. In all actuality, I love that Taylor is actually making a difference in the music industry. She uses her clout for good in a lot of cases: rerecords, Spotify earnings, and Apple music. The vast majority of artists do not own their masters nor do they have the opportunity to obtain them. Billie does not own her masters. Mariah, Janet, Celine, Aretha, Britney, etc. Almost every big name before Taylor. And even the ones who do own masters usually only own them from a specific point of when their original contract finished and they then renegotiated - Beyonce only owns her Lemonade and forward, Rihanna only owns Anti. It was a standard industry practice and not something specifically done to Taylor. Also Billboard did an article that in awakening of Taylor’s re-recordings that labels have now made contract amendments to stop other artists from re-recording also to bypass as a way of getting their masters. So they’ve actually made it harder for the rest of the industry to ever own their masters now. Her case really only helped her objectively speaking. There is nothing wrong with that, but the facts are that her situation wasn’t unique and something that is standard for 99% of other artists. Her even getting the option to buy her albums back individually overtime was rare. She was able to market that situation to her full advantage though. No superstar ever went on social media to cry about it and encourage their millions of fans to stand with them and call out the label. However it was standard business practice and she didn’t actually have some insanely horrid situation occur uniquely to her. |
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Post by suburbandreams on May 20, 2024 23:58:35 GMT -5
She was able to market that situation to her full advantage though. No superstar ever went on social media to cry about it and encourage their millions of fans to stand with them and call out the label. However it was standard business practice and she didn’t actually have some insanely horrid situation occur uniquely to her. The thing that was uniquely horrid about taylor's case was the new owner of her masters had actively promoted revenge porn against her. he also then joked about owning taylor and not just her master's after the deal was completed. and lastly had run a negative pr campaign against her best friend for years. taylor's statements at the time acknowledged that it was standard industry practice but at the same time it was a personal violation for her art to be sold without a right of first refusal to such a man. she accepted her masters being sold but not a man that are repeatedly shown that he disrespected her as a person. they had a legal right to sell her masters , but she also had a legal right to rerecord and devalue them. she wasn't the first artist to do so even if she was by far the most successful. yes, it didn't really change stuff legally for other artists. but it showed labels that artists could create a typhoon of bad press if they ignored artist's wishes when selling masters. labels took note. and she wasn't the first artist to try to complain to their press and fans. prince famously changed his stage name to the love symbol in protest of the same thing. |
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Post by iHype. on May 21, 2024 0:08:30 GMT -5
She was able to market that situation to her full advantage though. No superstar ever went on social media to cry about it and encourage their millions of fans to stand with them and call out the label. However it was standard business practice and she didn’t actually have some insanely horrid situation occur uniquely to her. taylor's statements at the time acknowledged that it was standard industry practice but at the same time it was a personal violation for her art to be sold without a right of first refusal to such a man. Her own father personally owned notable shares in her record label. Scooter’s acquisition had to be approved by the shareholders…. Her own dad. Thus it becomes odd to me to say she had no clue they were being sold to Scooter nor could she have had a notable say in stopping it. Your father owns the company that is being sold, and he has a personal relationship with all other co-owners. |
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Post by suburbandreams on May 21, 2024 0:21:16 GMT -5
taylor's statements at the time acknowledged that it was standard industry practice but at the same time it was a personal violation for her art to be sold without a right of first refusal to such a man. Her own father personally owned notable shares in her record label. Scooter’s acquisition had to be approved by the shareholders…. Her own dad. Thus it becomes odd to me to say she had no clue they were being sold to Scooter nor could she have had a notable say in stopping it. Your father owns the company that is being sold, and he has a personal relationship with all other co-owners. her father owned like 5%. sale was done by majority vote. he didn't have anywhere near enough voting power to affect the vote. it was revealed at the time that he agreed to be kept out of the loop as he would have had to sign a nda and would not be allowed to discuss the sale with taylor. scott borchetta made sure to keep taylor out of the loop as he personally knew taylor despised scooter braun and would try to sabotage the deal if it was revealed to her. as a result, she was blindsided by the deal. she got notification of the deal only a bit earlier than it was publicized to the press |
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Post by iHype. on May 21, 2024 0:33:18 GMT -5
Her own father personally owned notable shares in her record label. Scooter’s acquisition had to be approved by the shareholders…. Her own dad. Thus it becomes odd to me to say she had no clue they were being sold to Scooter nor could she have had a notable say in stopping it. Your father owns the company that is being sold, and he has a personal relationship with all other co-owners. her father owned like 5%. sale was done by majority vote. he didn't have anywhere near enough voting power to affect the vote. it was revealed at the time that he agreed to be kept out of the loop as he would have had to sign a nda and would not be allowed to discuss the sale with taylor. scott borchetta made sure to keep taylor out of the loop as he personally knew taylor despised scooter braun and would try to sabotage the deal if it was revealed to her. as a result, she was blindsided by the deal. she got notification of the deal only a bit earlier than it was publicized to the press Also didn’t include in the prior post, but likening Scooter to ‘promoting revenge porn of her’ because he was Kanye’s manager when “Famous” dropped is beyond ridiculous and interesting weaponizing. As if Scooter had any input on the song/video and Kanye isn’t a one-man show dictator who always goes against his entire label, team, and family’s wishes on anything regardless of their input. Using your logic though: Rihanna doing vocals on the song “Famous” was also her co-signing Kanye and promoting the situation. MTV nominating the video was them co-signing Kanye and promoting. GRAMMYs nominating the song was them promoting it and supporting the situation. Why is it easy for Taylor and Swifties to not conflate Rihanna, MTV, and the Grammys as apart of Kanye’s personal agenda and “promoting revenge porn” even though they gave a platform and approval to “Famous” yet the same isn’t done with Scooter? She has happily worked with MTV & the Grammys since and to my knowledge has no issue with Rihanna. Going back to the sale of her masters, her & her dad have a personal relationship with practically all other shareholders at the time so I’ll never be completely sold they were just willingly kept out of everything and didn’t know anything. But that’s hearsay and something I can’t prove I’m aware of that. Just using logical reasoning. Also, having your masters offered to you, being on a record label your dad has ownership of, etc are all situations that 98% of artists aren’t even ever having the luxuries of relating to. Her whole situation with Big Machine Records overall does not resonate to me as an underdog story. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 21, 2024 6:35:44 GMT -5
All this because Billie dared to say she didn’t like the concept of album variants. Maybe women should shut up and sing.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 21, 2024 6:39:54 GMT -5
All this because Billie dared to say she didn’t like the concept of album variants. Maybe women should shut up and sing. I'd even understand all this if she specifically mentioned Taylor, but no. |
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Post by thatpolishboy on May 21, 2024 8:34:23 GMT -5
At the end of the day (or week).. Hit Me Hard or Soft is an incredibly complex and beautiful album.
Even if Taylor blocks Billie, the real tell will be which way the Grammys sway.
I wouldn't be shocked if Billie comes out on top with album of the year this time.
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Post by Mike on May 21, 2024 8:39:44 GMT -5
Who cares really both of them are benefiting from this. Bigger number for both so whatever.
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Post by Choco on May 21, 2024 12:01:50 GMT -5
Can we also stop acting like the Scooter thing ultimately hurt Taylor? She's sold millions of new copies of old music. It was unfair but she turned it into a very lucrative thing. The Eras Tour and her current domination do not happen without the Taylor's Versions. She's currently not the underdog in any reasonable scenario.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 21, 2024 12:33:09 GMT -5
Can we also stop acting like the Scooter thing ultimately hurt Taylor? In what context? Cause I'd argue as close as Taylor was to Scott throughout the years (she essentially grew up with him and they were so close they considered each other family, let alone the fact he considered her like a daughter), him selling her masters to a man (he knew through personal experiences) she hated and felt had been bullying her cut her really deep and there isn't an ounce of me that questions that. I don't understand anyone who couldn't understand why that would hurt her deeply and no one should be telling anyone how they should or shouldn't feel. If you mean professionally, of course not, because she herself worked her a** off and turned it into a net positive in the end, certainly no thanks to Scooter. Who is saying she is an underdog? |
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Post by musiclife on May 21, 2024 14:14:31 GMT -5
Can we also stop acting like the Scooter thing ultimately hurt Taylor? She's sold millions of new copies of old music. It was unfair but she turned it into a very lucrative thing. The Eras Tour and her current domination do not happen without the Taylor's Versions. She's currently not the underdog in any reasonable scenario. Sure one of the people she trusted put a knife in her back. Sure it may have not hurt her professional, but that probably killed her emotionally. Again different from an album top charting battle. |
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Post by Envoirment on May 21, 2024 14:35:56 GMT -5
COULD BILLIE SCORE HER BIGGEST BOW YET?Billie Eilish’s HIT ME HARD AND SOFT (Darkroom/Interscope) is now projected to reach 300k, and maybe more, in total activity. Her top prior debut was 313k for her 2019 debut, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? HIT ME has already outpaced the 237k bow of 2021’s Happier Than Ever.
Could Billie top her 2019 debut to notch her biggest week yet? Stay tuned.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=341321&title=COULD-BILLIE-SCORE-HER-BIGGEST-BOW-YET%253FYay Billie!!! I hope she manages to outdo her debut. 
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Post by jenglisbe on May 21, 2024 14:48:31 GMT -5
Yeah for Billie in general, but more so because it's a terrific album. It's also only 10 tracks, which makes this total even more impressive.
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Post by clsvltn on May 21, 2024 14:59:14 GMT -5
so is Taylor readying more voice memos now? lol
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Post by avamaxstan on May 21, 2024 16:03:34 GMT -5
Oh she's taking #1 *and* her career-best sales week.
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