HITS 5/24: Taylor #1 350k ; Billie #2 300k+

[andrebra]

May 21, 2024 20:53:54 GMT -5 ificanthaveyou said:

May 21, 2024 20:11:55 GMT -5 andrebra said:

There’s no need to bring stan-fueled nonsense about other artists into this. As far as I’m concerned Taylor IS my favorite artist of all time, she has shown up as my top artist for every single year I’ve had Apple. However, I can admit when her practices are wrong and should be called out. It’s not a vendetta and the problem lies in the fact that many people here refuse to think she can do anything wrong. Will this cause me to boycott her forever, Absolutely not. But am I disappointed that she went out of her way to steal another female pop star’s spotlight this week? Yes.

Just like Billie went out of her way to throw other artists’ under the bus for variants, and then proceeds to release a dozen herself?
Just like Billie went out of her way to invite Damon Albarn on stage after he publicly stated that Taylor doesn’t write her own songs…

I love how ONLY TAYLOR can be manipulative and conniving and calculated but when other artists are hypocritical and shady they don’t get called out for it…

lol the hypocrisy of it all…

And for all the talk about Taylor being “anti-feminist, to have the nerve to bring out a male artist who tried to belittle and discredit another female song-writer is just… and then to be caught on the hot-mic saying that “Taylor is going to sue us”… lol no way in hell that camp deserves any goodwill from Taylor.

These “examples” have been made multiple times in this forum, it’s grasping at straws and I simply don’t care. Next.

[avamaxstan]

Commissioning a remix solely because the producer is also an environment activist, to score another petty point against Billie. She really doesn’t know when to stop, this is going to end up backfiring. HMHAS will likely be in better AOTY contention at the Grammys than PTSD.

[fridayteenage]

people had been assuming billie would be aoty frontrunner either way, given how she had extra roty and soty wins for non-smashes and taylor already broke the record/is the reigning winner already.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

May 21, 2024 23:23:44 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Commissioning a remix solely because the producer is also an environment activist, to score another petty point against Billie. She really doesn’t know when to stop, this is going to end up backfiring. HMHAS will likely be in better AOTY contention at the Grammys than PTSD.

Taylor had no chance of winning AOTY this year anyway. No way she's nominated and wins just one year after winning and breaking the record for most AOTY wins, so I feel that's a moot point. Honestly I can't see Taylor winning AOTY again for a very long time, if at all.

As for "backfiring" I doubt that. The only people who really pay attention to the subtle tactics are select people who follow music closely and follow either/or artist closely. The only people who are gonna be truly pissed about this are people who disliked Taylor to start with.

On a side note, given her remarks about Taylor and bringing one dude up on stage who challenged her merit as a writer (something she takes very personally) and then remarking how "Taylor is gonna sue them" (further maligning her name) and all this and that unprovoked (which I didn't even know about) when Taylor has only had glowing remarks about Billie and supported her, I can see why Taylor would feel slighted. I don't see how one couldn't understand that. It's like someone publicly taking subtle digs at you who you've always had great things to say about and her being a celebrity knowing her words travel far and wide only compound the issue (especially when the media already tries to make rivalries between female artists anyway). Do I agree with what she's doing as a result, no, but that's just me. Is it an overreaction? Yep. But it's Taylor. She's petty, melodramatic, and vindictive as hell. Always has been. lol

[Mike]

As if Billie didn’t plan all this. She wanted the attention to be on her and Taylor. She profits from this rivalry. She’s not debuting at number 1 but she’s getting her fans to spend more money. And as a result she is making more money herself.

[KeepDeanWeird]

May 21, 2024 20:20:38 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Fortnight was predicted to drop out of top ten, she wanted to not. Its not like it's a fight for number one there at all

While that may be an added benefit, I suspect the real reason for the remix is Top 40 radio. This mix should give it a boost there, especially in larger markets. The OG is kind of a drag for Pop radio, especially compared to her last 3 radio singles - IION, CS and Karma.

At some point, I expect BE to release a deluxe edition, especially since this project has been generally well received.

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

May 21, 2024 21:06:32 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm not sure if I live for or loathe Taylor's pettiness, but I do wish Taylor would go full tilt into the petty/vengeful/spiteful/unforgiving/darker side of her personality in one album. I know we've caught glimpses beyond her very carefully constructed persona, but I wanna see her completely shed the last ounce of care she has for public perception (cause people are gonna sh** on her regardless) and just embrace who she is completely, warts and all, with some cockiness thrown in and people would likely respect it more. I think she's headed that way if TTPD is any indication (as some songs aren't flattering to her at all), but I don't want 65% of her truth anymore. lol

Do you mean… reputation?

[Music Fan]

May 22, 2024 0:04:48 GMT -5 Mike said:

As if Billie didn’t plan all this. She wanted the attention to be on her and Taylor. She profits from this rivalry. She’s not debuting at number 1 but she’s getting her fans to spend more money. And as a result she is making more money herself.

This sounds more like Taylor than Billie.

[imbuemyblue]

I dunno, I find both of them annoying in this case with Taylor being more annoying because she has far more power and has been at this kind of stuff longer. Love these ladies, typically both as people and musicians, but this kind of stuff is so unappealing. And all the more annoying from a personal standpoint because this stupid interaction will keep them from ever coming near crossing musical paths, robbing us of what could be a magical collaboration.

I highly doubt there will be repercussions, though, and this is definitely not something the GP will ever know or care about.

[Enigma.]

As if Billie (10 songs) ever had the chance against Taylor (31 songs and an obsession).

[thegreatdivine]

May 21, 2024 23:23:44 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Commissioning a remix solely because the producer is also an environment activist, to score another petty point against Billie. She really doesn’t know when to stop, this is going to end up backfiring. HMHAS will likely be in better AOTY contention at the Grammys than PTSD.

Don't worry, Taylor will be sure to send enough tour tickets, merch and extra goodies to Grammy voters to secure herself another AOTY win and then she'll pull out the patented fake-surprised-i-won-this-award look when her name gets called. 

[fridayteenage]

that sounds unlikely

[rideordie]

I thought Taylor was a girls girl. This is nasty work if you ask me. Unnecessarily petty

[thegreatdivine]

Lol at anyone who thinks Taylor won't push every single button she can to ensure her best-selling and fastest-selling album yet wins another AOTY Grammy. And to anyone thinking "she has 4 of those already, there's no way she wins a 5th." Think again. Swifties will definitely find a way to make her out to be a victim if she doesn't win it again this year.

[balletgirlmom]

I love Billie's album and Taylor' too.  I think Billie has the inside to AOTY!!!!!  

[bornfearless2000]

Why all the hate train towards taylor?
She might be the biggest star in the planet now, but she still is part of a label. Perhaps it’s part of the label’s decision? Even if it’s Taylor’s decision, she’s just selling her arts. She’s an opportunist and capitalist, but aren’t we all? Just because your faves cannot sell 100 alternatives of an album, doesn’t mean nobody shouldn’t do it either. Taylor knows her strenght, and she capitalizes on it. She’s a business woman.

It’s like Barbie and Oppenheimer situation, both movies were big hits without pitting each other. Both Taylor and Billie can shine. I think Billie get more exposure this time because of this drama. She is projected to have her biggest debut week, so its still a win regardless of her topping BB200.

[musiclife]

TTPD is a better album than HMHAS. Not saying it's bad, I just think TTPD is better. The haters are pressed lately and she's living for it just as much as I'm now. Lol

[musiclife]

May 22, 2024 6:56:56 GMT -5 bornfearless2000 said:

Why all the hate train towards taylor?
She might be the biggest star in the planet now, but she still is part of a label. Perhaps it’s part of the label’s decision? Even if it’s Taylor’s decision, she’s just selling her arts. She’s an opportunist and capitalist, but aren’t we all? Just because your faves cannot sell 100 alternatives of an album, doesn’t mean nobody shouldn’t do it either. Taylor knows her strenght, and she capitalizes on it. She’s a business woman.

It’s like Barbie and Oppenheimer situation, both movies were big hits without pitting each other. Both Taylor and Billie can shine. I think Billie get more exposure this time because of this drama. She is projected to have her biggest debut week, so its still a win regardless of her topping BB200.

Exactly Taylor is helping Billie if anything. Billie should be saying thank you to Taylor.

[musiclife]

May 22, 2024 6:26:39 GMT -5 rideordie said:

I thought Taylor was a girls girl. This is nasty work if you ask me. Unnecessarily petty

Billie was petty first. Billie started it. Taylor finished it.

[bornfearless2000]

May 22, 2024 7:33:44 GMT -5 musiclife said:

May 22, 2024 6:26:39 GMT -5 rideordie said:

I thought Taylor was a girls girl. This is nasty work if you ask me. Unnecessarily petty

Billie was petty first. Billie started it. Taylor finished it.

Stop. You’re stirring shit up. Nobody started and nobody finished anything. Everything is just assumptions .

Lets enjoy music in peace ✌🏻

[musiclife]

May 22, 2024 7:37:27 GMT -5 bornfearless2000 said:

May 22, 2024 7:33:44 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Billie was petty first. Billie started it. Taylor finished it.

Stop. You’re stirring shit up. Nobody started and nobody finished anything. Everything is just assumptions .

Lets enjoy music in peace ✌🏻

I'm stirring shit up? What about the people in here attacking Taylor cause theyre mad? So you stop; if people are going to reply with digs I can reply with my genuine honest unbiased response.

I'm enjoying the music. Have a great day ♥️

[👑 Eloquent ™]

May 22, 2024 0:07:05 GMT -5 HEADOFTHEPACK said:

May 21, 2024 21:06:32 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

I'm not sure if I live for or loathe Taylor's pettiness, but I do wish Taylor would go full tilt into the petty/vengeful/spiteful/unforgiving/darker side of her personality in one album. I know we've caught glimpses beyond her very carefully constructed persona, but I wanna see her completely shed the last ounce of care she has for public perception (cause people are gonna sh** on her regardless) and just embrace who she is completely, warts and all, with some cockiness thrown in and people would likely respect it more. I think she's headed that way if TTPD is any indication (as some songs aren't flattering to her at all), but I don't want 65% of her truth anymore. lol

Do you mean… reputation?

Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂.

[musiclife]

May 22, 2024 7:43:12 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 22, 2024 0:07:05 GMT -5 HEADOFTHEPACK said:

Do you mean… reputation?

Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂.

I agree I think Taylor held back a lot in reputation. If Taylor made a reputation now a days it would be insane.

[85la]

May 22, 2024 7:43:12 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 22, 2024 0:07:05 GMT -5 HEADOFTHEPACK said:

Do you mean… reputation?

Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂.

And do you think that was a step in the right direction? How did that ultimately work out for her commercially in the next couple years?

[clsvltn]

May 21, 2024 23:45:34 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 21, 2024 23:23:44 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Commissioning a remix solely because the producer is also an environment activist, to score another petty point against Billie. She really doesn’t know when to stop, this is going to end up backfiring. HMHAS will likely be in better AOTY contention at the Grammys than PTSD.

Taylor had no chance of winning AOTY this year anyway. No way she's nominated and wins just one year after winning and breaking the record for most AOTY wins, so I feel that's a moot point. Honestly I can't see Taylor winning AOTY again for a very long time, if at all.

You don't think she would even be nominated?  IDK if she would win but I would be shocked if she was not at least nominated

[👑 Eloquent ™]

May 22, 2024 6:37:47 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Lol at anyone who thinks Taylor won't push every single button she can to ensure her best-selling and fastest-selling album yet wins another AOTY Grammy. And to anyone thinking "she has 4 of those already, there's no way she wins a 5th." Think again. Swifties will definitely find a way to make her out to be a victim if she doesn't win it again this year.

It's this kind of criticism I find personally irksome as it isn't credible and it's cloaked in bitterness and personal bias. You're speaking nothing more than conjecture in this whole Grammy scenario. There is absolutely no proof/evidence that Taylor has ever bought or bribed her way to her AOTY wins; that's just a cheap way to discredit and dismiss her artistry/work, attributing her accolades to nothing more than under-the-table deals. Yes, people do campaign for Grammys, just like they do for Oscars, but that isn't exclusive to Taylor whatsoever and it's a game all artists/labels who submit work take part in. Furthermore, there are no guarantees in said game whatsoever. The only AOTY I would personally argue was questionable in Taylor winning was Midnights, but even then I could understand it being a frontrunner. As for the whole "hEr aNd hEr SuRprIsE fAcE", if she's donning a surprise face at this stage in her career, when everyone and their mother have criticized every minute detail of her reactions at these award shows, I have no doubt her reaction is genuine, as she would only be subjecting herself to endless mockery for no benefit to herself. Who is anyone else to police someone else's excitement or reaction? Awards, charting, success for better or worse is obviously very important to Taylor in her career (especially since sadly, but clearly a lot of her self-worth I personally think is tied into her performance across the board and she likely gets a lot of validation from such acknowledgements, whether that's good or bad). Given that, it's no surprise she might react the way she does. Not every artist gets jaded/used to winning. As for the Swifties, I think most are more than content with her 4 wins and a lot of us would rather burn our whole lives down than hear another second of b**ing and moaning that would cause. 😂

May 22, 2024 7:56:00 GMT -5 85la said:

And do you think that was a step in the right direction? How did that ultimately work out for her commercially in the next couple years?

Well first and foremost, I couldn't care less about commercial success (though Rep certainly wasn't a flop and still sold millions more than her peers so...). Her going full-tilt into her darker side is just something I want to see come to fruition as a fan. Not for her to have another Midnights/1989 era. She's already had plenty of blockbuster moments. She really has nothing left to prove and I just wanna see her spread her wings and show her 100% unadulterated authenticity.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

May 22, 2024 7:43:12 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 22, 2024 0:07:05 GMT -5 HEADOFTHEPACK said:

Do you mean… reputation?

Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂.

I wouldn't mind an album with the vibe of Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me lol.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

May 22, 2024 8:09:12 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

May 22, 2024 7:43:12 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂.

I wouldn't mind an album with the vibe of Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me lol.

This. Like I know the girl is bat sh** crazy to an extent. I just wanna see it in its full glory just once. 😂 It's one of the things I love about TTPD, she finally wasn't afraid to paint herself in a pretty unflattering light at times and I just wanna see her shred every last bit of concern of public opinion she has left and just go all out.

[musiclife]

May 22, 2024 8:06:21 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

May 22, 2024 6:37:47 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Lol at anyone who thinks Taylor won't push every single button she can to ensure her best-selling and fastest-selling album yet wins another AOTY Grammy. And to anyone thinking "she has 4 of those already, there's no way she wins a 5th." Think again. Swifties will definitely find a way to make her out to be a victim if she doesn't win it again this year.

It's this kind of criticism I find personally irksome as it isn't credible and it's cloaked in bitterness and personal bias. You're speaking nothing more than conjecture in this whole Grammy scenario. There is absolutely no proof/evidence that Taylor has ever bought or bribed her way to her AOTY wins; that's just a cheap way to discredit and dismiss her artistry/work, attributing her accolades to nothing more than under-the-table deals. Yes, people do campaign for Grammys, just like they do for Oscars, but that isn't exclusive to Taylor whatsoever and it's a game all artists/labels who submit work take part in. Furthermore, there are no guarantees in said game whatsoever. The only AOTY I would personally argue was questionable in Taylor winning was Midnights, but even then I could understand it being a frontrunner. As for the whole "hEr aNd hEr SuRprIsE fAcE", if she's donning a surprise face at this stage in her career, when everyone and their mother have criticized every minute detail of her reactions at these award shows, I have no doubt her reaction is genuine, as she would only be subjecting herself to endless mockery for no benefit to herself. Who is anyone else to police someone else's excitement or reaction? Awards, charting, success for better or worse is obviously very important to Taylor in her career (especially since sadly, but clearly a lot of her self-worth I personally think is tied into her performance across the board and she likely gets a lot of validation from such acknowledgements, whether that's good or bad). Given that, it's no surprise she might react the way she does. Not every artist gets jaded/used to winning. As for the Swifties, I think most are more than content with her 4 wins and a lot of us would rather burn our whole lives down than hear another second of b**ing and moaning that would cause. 😂

May 22, 2024 7:56:00 GMT -5 85la said:

And do you think that was a step in the right direction? How did that ultimately work out for her commercially in the next couple years?

Well first and foremost, I couldn't care less about commercial success (though Rep certainly wasn't a flop and still sold millions more than her peers so...). Her going full-tilt into her darker side is just something I want to see come to fruition as a fan. Not for her to have another Midnights/1989 era. She's already had plenty of blockbuster moments. She really has nothing left to prove and I just wanna see her spread her wings and show her 100% unadulterated authenticity.

This this this x100. But I'm the one stirring stuff up yet people are saying the most obserd things in here. Lol

[jenglisbe]

May 21, 2024 17:56:32 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Lol. That Billie interview where she didn't even mention a single name REALLY got into someone so bad that it's almost funny.

A hit dog will holler.