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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 22, 2024 8:35:09 GMT -5
Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂. Do you know something about her the rest of us don’t? Taylor Swift is about as far as you can get from “dark” or “edgy”. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 22, 2024 8:37:44 GMT -5
TTPD is a better album than HMHAS. Not saying it's bad, I just think TTPD is better. The haters are pressed lately and she's living for it just as much as I'm now. Lol Nah, you like it more. Your enjoyment of something doesn't make it better (or worse). That's the fun thing about music. It's about one's individual taste. I thought Taylor was a girls girl. This is nasty work if you ask me. Unnecessarily petty Billie was petty first. Billie started it. Taylor finished it. Stop. You’re stirring shit up. Nobody started and nobody finished anything. Everything is just assumptions . Lets enjoy music in peace ✌🏻 I'm stirring shit up? What about the people in here attacking Taylor cause theyre mad? So you stop; if people are going to reply with digs I can reply with my genuine honest unbiased response. I'm enjoying the music. Have a great day ♥️ Naw, you're not just "enjoying the music". You're the precise reason why I personally can't stand artist fandoms and stan culture. There's enjoying the music. There's even enjoying a little bit of friendly competition. And then there's you and people like you who ruin that for everyone else interested in talking about music and stats by bringing the insecure stan bullshit into it. TBH, I think stans like you do more to harm Taylor's image than Taylor's own alleged pettiness. And the same goes for stans of any other artist who do the most to defend and explain and justify every action after action and why it's against another artist (even if it isn't) while attacking that artist and people who enjoy them. You love the drama and you love riling up everyone else, whether it's someone else's fans or even Taylor fans who aren't interested in the bullshit. And before you say I'm only concentrating on you, I'm in full agreement of 👑 Eloquent ™ 's post above too. People are overwhelmingly unfairly critical against Taylor too, which is also frustrating and annoying. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 8:51:27 GMT -5
Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂. Do you know something about her the rest of us don’t? Taylor Swift is about as far as you can get from “dark” or “edgy”. Again, it is my personal belief following her closely for the last 15 years there is more to her than meets the eye in that context. Her image is very, very carefully constructed and crafted. We have seen her, ever since Rep start to slowly reveal herself progressively with each release. It can be seen through inclusion and progression of cursing, of talking sex, drinking, speaking on her narcissistic tendencies and alcoholism etc. Sure, to some artists by comparison it seems tame AF, but to someone like Taylor who has always been so conscious of her youthful fanbase and her carefully constructed "good role model" aesthetic, these are carefully orchestrated revelations. She's peeling back layers (though as slow as molasses). Hell, TTPD was really the first album she really painted herself in an unflattering light directly and even scolded her own fanbase. Do I think she has the "edge" of a song like "Partition" in her? No. But do I think she has more versatile type of edge than what she's shown so far? Absolutely. If you don't think so, you don't think so, but I absolutely do and I think we'll see it one day (hopefully). |
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Post by artifexlife on May 22, 2024 8:59:34 GMT -5
Seems like the drama continues... 💀💀💀 Swifties are going to have a field day when Tay beats Billie on both Top 200 and Hot 100. An environmental activist teaming with Taylor Swift is like Jeff Bezos or Starbucks teaming up with unions. |
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Post by artifexlife on May 22, 2024 9:01:48 GMT -5
There’s no need to bring stan-fueled nonsense about other artists into this. As far as I’m concerned Taylor IS my favorite artist of all time, she has shown up as my top artist for every single year I’ve had Apple. However, I can admit when her practices are wrong and should be called out. It’s not a vendetta and the problem lies in the fact that many people here refuse to think she can do anything wrong. Will this cause me to boycott her forever, Absolutely not. But am I disappointed that she went out of her way to steal another female pop star’s spotlight this week? Yes. And for all the talk about Taylor being “anti-feminist, to have the nerve to bring out a male artist who tried to belittle and discredit another female song-writer is just… and then to be caught on the hot-mic saying that “Taylor is going to sue us”… lol no way in hell that camp deserves any goodwill from Taylor. Friendly reminder that Taylor Swift dated/had a fling with Matty Healy who has said this. www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2023-09-29/ice-spice-matty-healy-racist-comments-apologyIf Billie takes the bullet for that other man then why shouldn't Taylor? She is very obviously anti-women who arent her. |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 22, 2024 9:02:41 GMT -5
My personal hot take is that maybe Taylor Alison Swift wouldn't catch nearly so much flack if she would, for once in her life just fuck off. Stans may be doing the most to paint this Taylor vs. Billie beef, but Taylor herself was well within her rights to just ignore all the bullshit and leave well enough alone. Instead she played right into the narrative by pumping out and shipping more useless variants of an already way-too-convoluted format scheme.
Maybe some people wouldn't be so tired if Taylor would just let her music do what it's gonna do and hit (or in this case maintain) #1 because it's actually the most consumed album of the week and not because she sat her whole ass on the scale. Maybe Billie would still have sat her own ass on the other end of the scale regardless, but at least she wouldn't have to.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 10:32:26 GMT -5
If Billie takes the bullet for that other man then why shouldn't Taylor? She is very obviously anti-women who arent her. You must've missed a large percentage of her fandom being up in arms threatening to rid themselves of her merchandise and the swift Twitter backlash that followed Taylor's brief stint with Matty. It certainly wasn't well received. lol And again, can we not with the hyperbolic statements like "Taylor hates all women" or "Taylor hates any woman aside from herself"? I don't know why some struggle so hard to find a middle ground or be rational when criticizing Taylor. 😂 Many do have valid criticisms of (like her convenient feminism, her pettiness etc), but personally speaking, I feel opinions start losing validity when making hyperbolic, absurd statsments laced with personal bias like her releasing another variant is "spitting in the faces of her fans" or because she keeps Billie from debuting at #1 "Taylor clearly hates all women" etc. |
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Post by iHype. on May 22, 2024 10:40:20 GMT -5
Also what rubs me the wrong way and has been overlooked is this follows the whole Olivia situation. She was a bonafide Taylor stan and did nothing but praise her all the time, bring her name up in every interview as her idol, even going to the point of happily promoting her music. Now Olivia’s just completely silent regarding Taylor and seems intimidated/cautious regarding her name or to even compliment her new music.
The most plausible reasons speculated were the whole fiasco with Deja Vu songwriting credits, Evermore having all those variants sold to block Sour’s second week, and/or the fanwar drama that has happened afterwards as a result.
I don’t think it’s a good look when you are a veteran in your mid 30s to have the new generation of 21~ year old pop girls all intimidated by you and scared of doing anything to upset you or your fanbase in any manner. Pointing out the age difference to not be ageist, but show how weird and silly this reflects on her. Why not just be the bigger person?
Even if in both instances she supposedly wasn’t involved in anything directly and it was “just the fans instigating”, why not step up and be the one to ease tension and deter fan drama. She hasn’t spoke out In both instances it seems she either:
A. Values these random business moves that ultimately add minuscule value to her already endless fortune and success more than not creating a toxic Pop female war culture
B. She is purposely doing these things to be petty regardless of the money earned and actively wants to engage in drama with these younger girls which contradicts the marketing she likes to do regarding her personality and character traits
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 10:46:29 GMT -5
Nope or I obviously would have said so. I don't think it was full-tilt whatsoever. I think that was nothing more than a very tame, carefully constructed step in that direction. If people think Reputation is as edgy/dark as Taylor can get... 😂. Do you know something about her the rest of us don’t? Taylor Swift is about as far as you can get from “dark” or “edgy”. Millions will disagree with you. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 10:48:55 GMT -5
TTPD is a better album than HMHAS. Not saying it's bad, I just think TTPD is better. The haters are pressed lately and she's living for it just as much as I'm now. Lol Nah, you like it more. Your enjoyment of something doesn't make it better (or worse). That's the fun thing about music. It's about one's individual taste. Billie was petty first. Billie started it. Taylor finished it. I'm stirring shit up? What about the people in here attacking Taylor cause theyre mad? So you stop; if people are going to reply with digs I can reply with my genuine honest unbiased response. I'm enjoying the music. Have a great day ♥️ Naw, you're not just "enjoying the music". You're the precise reason why I personally can't stand artist fandoms and stan culture. There's enjoying the music. There's even enjoying a little bit of friendly competition. And then there's you and people like you who ruin that for everyone else interested in talking about music and stats by bringing the insecure stan bullshit into it. TBH, I think stans like you do more to harm Taylor's image than Taylor's own alleged pettiness. And the same goes for stans of any other artist who do the most to defend and explain and justify every action after action and why it's against another artist (even if it isn't) while attacking that artist and people who enjoy them. You love the drama and you love riling up everyone else, whether it's someone else's fans or even Taylor fans who aren't interested in the bullshit. And before you say I'm only concentrating on you, I'm in full agreement of 👑 Eloquent ™ 's post above too. People are overwhelmingly unfairly critical against Taylor too, which is also frustrating and annoying. How are you gonna tell me the only reason I like it better is cause I prefer it. Is your opinion more elite than mine or something? I don't think so. I think it's a better album, sounds better, and has more substance. Disagree. Cool. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not causing anyone harm I don't have to like the same things as you. You seem hurt are you okay? |
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 22, 2024 10:50:17 GMT -5
If there's one thing Taylor Swift has NEVER pulled off successfully, it's dark and edgy. I'm still not over the secondhand embarrassment of "Vigilante Shit." She's not that girl, she will never be that girl. She doesn't have the charisma, personality or the gravitas as a performer to pull it off.
Can she can get more biting in her lyrics? Yeah. But dark and edgy? Absolutely not.
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 10:51:25 GMT -5
And for all the talk about Taylor being “anti-feminist, to have the nerve to bring out a male artist who tried to belittle and discredit another female song-writer is just… and then to be caught on the hot-mic saying that “Taylor is going to sue us”… lol no way in hell that camp deserves any goodwill from Taylor. Friendly reminder that Taylor Swift dated/had a fling with Matty Healy who has said this. www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2023-09-29/ice-spice-matty-healy-racist-comments-apologyIf Billie takes the bullet for that other man then why shouldn't Taylor? She is very obviously anti-women who arent her. I hope your dating life is perfect and you're engaged with zero road bumps ever before you're prepared to discuss someone else's dating life. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 10:53:05 GMT -5
If there's one thing Taylor Swift has NEVER pulled off successfully, it's dark and edgy. I'm still not over the secondhand embarrassment of "Vigilante Shit." She's not that girl, she will never be that girl. She doesn't have the charisma, personality or the gravitas as a performer to pull it off. Can she can get more biting in her lyrics? Yeah. But dark and edgy? Absolutely not. I completely disagree and I think she pulls the image off fantastically. Millions will agree. It's okay if you don't. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2024 10:55:07 GMT -5
Nah, you like it more. Your enjoyment of something doesn't make it better (or worse). That's the fun thing about music. It's about one's individual taste. Naw, you're not just "enjoying the music". You're the precise reason why I personally can't stand artist fandoms and stan culture. There's enjoying the music. There's even enjoying a little bit of friendly competition. And then there's you and people like you who ruin that for everyone else interested in talking about music and stats by bringing the insecure stan bullshit into it. TBH, I think stans like you do more to harm Taylor's image than Taylor's own alleged pettiness. And the same goes for stans of any other artist who do the most to defend and explain and justify every action after action and why it's against another artist (even if it isn't) while attacking that artist and people who enjoy them. You love the drama and you love riling up everyone else, whether it's someone else's fans or even Taylor fans who aren't interested in the bullshit. And before you say I'm only concentrating on you, I'm in full agreement of 👑 Eloquent ™ 's post above too. People are overwhelmingly unfairly critical against Taylor too, which is also frustrating and annoying. How are you gonna tell me the only reason I like it better is cause I prefer it. Is your opinion more elite than mine or something? I don't think so. I think it's a better album, sounds better, and has more substance. Disagree. Cool. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not causing anyone harm I don't have to like the same things as you. You seem hurt are you okay? My hot take is that in general stans don't just enjoy the music. The reality is anyone who is a 'stan' of an artist has something else going on besides just enjoying the music, and it's what leads them to look into that person's personal life, buy things they wouldn't for other artists, defend them online, and in general like almost anything that artist puts out. That's of course all the right of that stan, but by its nature it's also not objective. 'Stan' and 'hater' are two sides of the same coin because neither is objective. If there's one thing Taylor Swift has NEVER pulled off successfully, it's dark and edgy. I'm still not over the secondhand embarrassment of "Vigilante Shit." She's not that girl, she will never be that girl. She doesn't have the charisma, personality or the gravitas as a performer to pull it off. Can she can get more biting in her lyrics? Yeah. But dark and edgy? Absolutely not. I completely disagree and I think she pulls the image off fantastically. Millions will agree. It's okay if you don't. Millions of basic white women aren't really a good Merriam-Webster for "dark" and "edgy," and your statement is a prime example of white I wrote above. :ETA: Omg that "white" in the line above was a type, but what a prescient slip to where I had to leave it in lol |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 22, 2024 11:03:39 GMT -5
Nah, you like it more. Your enjoyment of something doesn't make it better (or worse). That's the fun thing about music. It's about one's individual taste. Naw, you're not just "enjoying the music". You're the precise reason why I personally can't stand artist fandoms and stan culture. There's enjoying the music. There's even enjoying a little bit of friendly competition. And then there's you and people like you who ruin that for everyone else interested in talking about music and stats by bringing the insecure stan bullshit into it. TBH, I think stans like you do more to harm Taylor's image than Taylor's own alleged pettiness. And the same goes for stans of any other artist who do the most to defend and explain and justify every action after action and why it's against another artist (even if it isn't) while attacking that artist and people who enjoy them. You love the drama and you love riling up everyone else, whether it's someone else's fans or even Taylor fans who aren't interested in the bullshit. And before you say I'm only concentrating on you, I'm in full agreement of 👑 Eloquent ™ 's post above too. People are overwhelmingly unfairly critical against Taylor too, which is also frustrating and annoying. How are you gonna tell me the only reason I like it better is cause I prefer it. Is your opinion more elite than mine or something? I don't think so. I think it's a better album, sounds better, and has more substance. Disagree. Cool. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not causing anyone harm I don't have to like the same things as you. You seem hurt are you okay? It's a wording thing. To say something is "better" implies fact. Opinion =/= fact. Your way here of saying "you like it better" is correct whereas before you said "It's better than," which wasn't. Just that simple. If I say "I like Folkmore better than 1989," no one can argue with me because I'm attributing it to my opinion. If I say "Folklore is better than 1989," that lends itself to unnecessary arguing because people will naturally feel a need to debate it - based only on opinions, which again aren't fact. I know it's me being knitpicky but that simple way of phrasing things avoids so much unnecessary arguing that I also know I'm guilty of contributing to. Consider it a helpful tip. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 22, 2024 11:10:41 GMT -5
If there's one thing Taylor Swift has NEVER pulled off successfully, it's dark and edgy. I'm still not over the secondhand embarrassment of "Vigilante Shit." She's not that girl, she will never be that girl. She doesn't have the charisma, personality or the gravitas as a performer to pull it off. Can she can get more biting in her lyrics? Yeah. But dark and edgy? Absolutely not. I completely disagree and I think she pulls the image off fantastically. Millions will agree. It's okay if you don't. One glance at the Eras tour crowd and it's pretty clear that dark and edgy for them is Taylor wearing black lipstick. Taylor's complete lack of edge is one of the reasons she's so huge. Not sure why y'all are trying to get her to play against her strengths. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 11:11:00 GMT -5
People are funny. 😂 Everyone has their own interpretation of edgy and dark. What's edgy to one is not to the next. When I think of edgy with Taylor, I think of edge in relation to Taylor: even more confessional, brutally honest lyrics highlighting darker aspects of her personality we've only caught tame glimpses of previously (like in "WAOLOM"), discussing topics lyrically she might've otherwise wanted to shield her audience from due to image/perception. More raw honesty than we've ever gotten. Darker/grittier production. A more relaxed, grown, sensual image. Like Reputation, but Reputation on 10. I think Taylor absolutely has that type of edge in her. She's never gonna be a woman singing about s**king d**k in the back of a car or shaking a** or getting too provocative with her visuals, but she doesn't need to. She's certainly never gonna have Rihanna's edge for example, but she has more than she's shown so far and she loves proving people wrong so we'll see in time what she delivers.
And ain't nobody trying to get her to "play against her strengths". I just want an album from her stripped of her need to please people and without her need to filter herself or fit an image she cultivated for herself nearly two decades ago. I want her Stripped more or less. Dunno why that is an issue.
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 22, 2024 11:14:48 GMT -5
You criticize Taylor Swift for a few questionable choices and her stans come running, painting her as some sort of victim. Never fails.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 11:17:35 GMT -5
You criticize Taylor Swift for a few questionable choices and her stans come running, painting her as some sort of victim. Never fails. Are you intentionally a revisionist? lol You saying Taylor hates all women except herself is "criticizing Taylor for a few questionable choices"? 😂 That's certainly an interesting take, I'll give you that. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 22, 2024 11:17:53 GMT -5
And ain't nobody trying to get her to "play against her strengths". I just want an album from her stripped of her need to please people and without her need to filter herself or fit an image she cultivated for herself nearly two decades ago. I want her Stripped more or less. Dunno why that is an issue. So you just want a more raw and honest album? I can get on board with that. I just got hung up on the words dark and edgy. Even if she went down that path, I doubt I would consider it dark and edgy in delivery or performance. Because that's just not her. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 11:20:04 GMT -5
How are you gonna tell me the only reason I like it better is cause I prefer it. Is your opinion more elite than mine or something? I don't think so. I think it's a better album, sounds better, and has more substance. Disagree. Cool. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not causing anyone harm I don't have to like the same things as you. You seem hurt are you okay? It's a wording thing. To say something is "better" implies fact. Opinion =/= fact. Your way here of saying "you like it better" is correct whereas before you said "It's better than," which wasn't. Just that simple. If I say "I like Folkmore better than 1989," no one can argue with me because I'm attributing it to my opinion. If I say "Folklore is better than 1989," that lends itself to unnecessary arguing because people will naturally feel a need to debate it - based only on opinions, which again aren't fact. I know it's me being knitpicky but that simple way of phrasing things avoids so much unnecessary arguing that I also know I'm guilty of contributing to. Consider it a helpful tip. I said from the jump "I think". That's all I'm gonna say because I'm not here to fight and entertain bullshit. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 22, 2024 11:21:41 GMT -5
Taylor is better suited riding into her 40s and 50s still making music that appeals to teenage girls and their naive and idealistic views of love and relationships. She tried pulling off "dark" once and failed woefully. Better not test that again.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 22, 2024 11:27:38 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2024 » / « 05 » / « 22 »
1(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 83.17(-0.80)
2(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 71.42(+0.16)
3(=) SZA - Saturn 64.71(+0.39)
4(=) Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love) 58.90(+0.38)
5(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 53.23(+1.58)
6(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 49.95(-0.72)
7(+1) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 49.29(+0.14)
8(-1) Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me 49.16(-0.79)
9(+1) Bailey Zimmerman - Where It Ends 46.24(+0.98)
10(-1) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 45.47(-0.56)
11(+4) Post Malone - I Had Some Help (feat. Morgan Wallen) 45.11(+2.22)
54(+6) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 19.50(+1.19)
62(+6) Billie Eilish - LUNCH 17.77(+2.20)
68(+3) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 16.28(+1.04)
72(+5) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love In Oklahoma (From Twisters: The Album) 14.65(+1.35) 75(+4) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 14.23(+1.14)
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 11:30:06 GMT -5
And ain't nobody trying to get her to "play against her strengths". I just want an album from her stripped of her need to please people and without her need to filter herself or fit an image she cultivated for herself nearly two decades ago. I want her Stripped more or less. Dunno why that is an issue. So you just want a more raw and honest album? I can get on board with that. I just got hung up on the words dark and edgy. Even if she went down that path, I doubt I would consider it dark and edgy in delivery or performance. Because that's just not her. Taylor once said she saw Reputation (which was largely an album about love) as a "goth-punk" album about female rage. I want the *actual* goth-punk album about female rage and I feel she has the capacity to deliver such a moment. I'm hoping she continues to care less and less about public perception/performance and really embraces all her traits (both bad and good) and rolls it all out honestly, raw, and unfiltered (perception be damned) onto an album. I wanna have an album showcasing the Taylor behind the machine in all her bat**it crazy glory! I feel like most of her career she's been focused and concerned with being the perfect "role model" or catering to her younger demo, but I just wanna see one, just one album where she lets her hair down and gives absolutely no f**s and I think she merely dipped her toes in the water with Reputation. I don't care how it performs at all. I just want the unfiltered album. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 11:34:25 GMT -5
How are you gonna tell me the only reason I like it better is cause I prefer it. Is your opinion more elite than mine or something? I don't think so. I think it's a better album, sounds better, and has more substance. Disagree. Cool. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not causing anyone harm I don't have to like the same things as you. You seem hurt are you okay? My hot take is that in general stans don't just enjoy the music. The reality is anyone who is a 'stan' of an artist has something else going on besides just enjoying the music, and it's what leads them to look into that person's personal life, buy things they wouldn't for other artists, defend them online, and in general like almost anything that artist puts out. That's of course all the right of that stan, but by its nature it's also not objective. 'Stan' and 'hater' are two sides of the same coin because neither is objective. I completely disagree and I think she pulls the image off fantastically. Millions will agree. It's okay if you don't. Millions of basic white women aren't really a good Merriam-Webster for "dark" and "edgy," and your statement is a prime example of white I wrote above. :ETA: Omg that "white" in the line above was a type, but what a prescient slip to where I had to leave it in lol So because someone is white means they can't be dark and edgy, and have white fans cause theyre white. Are we really gonna judge races of fanbases now? This still isn't gonna get Billie to #1. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 11:35:46 GMT -5
Taylor is better suited riding into her 40s and 50s still making music that appeals to teenage girls and their naive and idealistic views of love and relationships. She tried pulling off "dark" once and failed woefully. Better not test that again. Her music is more substance than said artists who make songs about Spaghetti and singing about Lunch. |
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Post by Choco on May 22, 2024 12:12:51 GMT -5
People seem to forget that Reputation was the start of a seemingly unstoppable career decline and only by hard pivoting away from that did she recover. The revisit of it we're about to have with the TV is more than enough.
Please do not quote the current reputation numbers. It only rebounded like that thanks to the Eras Tour and people finally appreciating it for what it is (solid pop album) but back in the day it seemed like no one outside the fandom enjoyed it. She even got Ed Sheeran to flop in 2017!
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 12:40:00 GMT -5
People seem to forget that Reputation was the start of a seemingly unstoppable career decline and only by hard pivoting away from that did she recover. The revisit of it we're about to have with the TV is more than enough. Please do not quote the current reputation numbers. It only rebounded like that thanks to the Eras Tour and people finally appreciating it for what it is (solid pop album) but back in the day it seemed like no one outside the fandom enjoyed it. She even got Ed Sheeran to flop in 2017! Stopped reading at hard career decline. The biggest artist in the world, and one of the biggest of all time a career decline. 😭 |
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avamaxstan
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Post by avamaxstan on May 22, 2024 12:47:04 GMT -5
Also what rubs me the wrong way and has been overlooked is this follows the whole Olivia situation. She was a bonafide Taylor stan and did nothing but praise her all the time, bring her name up in every interview as her idol, even going to the point of happily promoting her music. Now Olivia’s just completely silent regarding Taylor and seems intimidated/cautious regarding her name or to even compliment her new music. The most plausible reasons speculated were the whole fiasco with Deja Vu songwriting credits, Evermore having all those variants sold to block Sour’s second week, and/or the fanwar drama that has happened afterwards as a result. I don’t think it’s a good look when you are a veteran in your mid 30s to have the new generation of 21~ year old pop girls all intimidated by you and scared of doing anything to upset you or your fanbase in any manner. Pointing out the age difference to not be ageist, but show how weird and silly this reflects on her. Why not just be the bigger person? There's a saying that superstars are mentally stuck at the age they became famous. I would say this very much holds true for Taylor. At nearly 35, her mentality and songwriting is still firmly planted in the high school landscape of love, breakups and rivalries. It's a big part of why she's achieved such amazing longevity and cross-generational success, appealing to fans who weren't even born yet when she debuted. She prefers to see the rising young artists as her competition for queen bee status, rather than proteges who she inspired.  |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 22, 2024 12:55:55 GMT -5
Taylor is better suited riding into her 40s and 50s still making music that appeals to teenage girls and their naive and idealistic views of love and relationships. She tried pulling off "dark" once and failed woefully. Better not test that again. Her music is more substance than said artists who make songs about Spaghetti and singing about Lunch. Spelling is fun! People seem to forget that Reputation was the start of a seemingly unstoppable career decline and only by hard pivoting away from that did she recover. The revisit of it we're about to have with the TV is more than enough. Please do not quote the current reputation numbers. It only rebounded like that thanks to the Eras Tour and people finally appreciating it for what it is (solid pop album) but back in the day it seemed like no one outside the fandom enjoyed it. She even got Ed Sheeran to flop in 2017! Stopped reading at hard career decline. The biggest artist in the world, and one of the biggest of all time a career decline. 😭 You might want to read it properly before responding. In the context of her career, reputation was the beginning of a decline. You only need to look at Lover's opening week to see that. She very successfully turned it around and became bigger than ever. Honestly, you're just trolling yourself at this point. But I'm sure millions would disagree with me... |
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