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Post by joshtheking on May 22, 2024 13:02:57 GMT -5
Taylor is better suited riding into her 40s and 50s still making music that appeals to teenage girls and their naive and idealistic views of love and relationships. She tried pulling off "dark" once and failed woefully. Better not test that again. Her music is more substance than said artists who make songs about Spaghetti and singing about Lunch. karma is a cat |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 13:03:05 GMT -5
Her music is more substance than said artists who make songs about Spaghetti and singing about Lunch. Spelling is fun! Stopped reading at hard career decline. The biggest artist in the world, and one of the biggest of all time a career decline. 😭 You might want to read it properly before responding. In the context of her career, reputation was the beginning of a decline. You only need to look at Lover's opening week to see that. She very successfully turned it around and became bigger than ever. Honestly, you're just trolling yourself at this point. But I'm sure millions would disagree with me... She can have playful lines here and there. You call 867k first week sales a decline. Especially back in 2019? Damn, what did you think of other artists this year who didn't cross 500k first week? Sorry, I'm not seeing way to see any type of "decline" regardless if they weren't 1 million plus. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 13:03:48 GMT -5
Her music is more substance than said artists who make songs about Spaghetti and singing about Lunch. karma is a cat Karma is a cat with 4 AOTYs idk. |
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Post by dbhmr on May 22, 2024 13:05:46 GMT -5
Get a life, lol. Taylor bleeding her obsessive stans for even more money in an effort to weaponize her sales is gross and tacky. Taylor's neurotic obsession with people's perception of her will always be her lamest trait. For someone who doesn't "cater to the vipers," they certainly live in her head rent free at all times. This reeks of insecurity and regression. 8 pages and this is still the most salient post. Anyway, congrats to Billie on the big numbers and, more importantly, a really stellar album, the likes of which deserves to be in the AOTY conversation. |
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Post by 85la on May 22, 2024 13:06:18 GMT -5
So you just want a more raw and honest album? I can get on board with that. I just got hung up on the words dark and edgy. Even if she went down that path, I doubt I would consider it dark and edgy in delivery or performance. Because that's just not her. Taylor once said she saw Reputation (which was largely an album about love) as a "goth-punk" album about female rage. I want the *actual* goth-punk album about female rage and I feel she has the capacity to deliver such a moment. I'm hoping she continues to care less and less about public perception/performance and really embraces all her traits (both bad and good) and rolls it all out honestly, raw, and unfiltered (perception be damned) onto an album. I wanna have an album showcasing the Taylor behind the machine in all her bat**it crazy glory! I feel like most of her career she's been focused and concerned with being the perfect "role model" or catering to her younger demo, but I just wanna see one, just one album where she lets her hair down and gives absolutely no f**s and I think she merely dipped her toes in the water with Reputation. I don't care how it performs at all. I just want the unfiltered album. Lol, yep you heard it, this is what we need from Taylor, a goth punk album!!! Do you realize how horrible of an idea that would be, not only because it's so drastically different genre-wise from anything she's ever done and it doesn't fit her voice at all, but because her entire brand and image is completely built upon public perception and being the perfect "role model," and I just don't see her willingly lose that clout for even one album. It would be The Life of Chris Gaines-level of embarrassment. |
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Post by joshtheking on May 22, 2024 13:06:24 GMT -5
Karma is a cat with 4 AOTYs idk. I'm not sure what that proves as Billie already has 9 grammys and an AOTY. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 13:08:54 GMT -5
Karma is a cat with 4 AOTYs idk. I'm not sure what that proves as Billie already has 9 grammys and an AOTY. But not 4 of them. Maybe you should wear a Billie avatar instead? |
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Post by joshtheking on May 22, 2024 13:11:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure what that proves as Billie already has 9 grammys and an AOTY. But not 4 of them. Maybe you should wear a Billie avatar instead? because she's 22 and has only had 2 albums eligible?? pls. i like a lot of artists including taylor but i'm not gonna be out here spewing nonsense to defend her |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 22, 2024 13:14:23 GMT -5
Spelling is fun! You might want to read it properly before responding. In the context of her career, reputation was the beginning of a decline. You only need to look at Lover's opening week to see that. She very successfully turned it around and became bigger than ever. Honestly, you're just trolling yourself at this point. But I'm sure millions would disagree with me... She can have playful lines here and there. You call 867k first week sales a decline. Especially back in 2019? Damn, what did you think of other artists this year who didn't cross 500k first week? Sorry, I'm not seeing way to see any type of "decline" regardless if they weren't 1 million plus. Previous 4 albums opened with 1m+. Lover opened with less. Reputation singles did not perform as well as singles from previous albums. Nor did the singles from Lover. She since re-peaked and has now peaked even higher than ever. I did not say the numbers were bad. The numbers were a decline. This is not difficult to understand. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 13:25:44 GMT -5
She can have playful lines here and there. You call 867k first week sales a decline. Especially back in 2019? Damn, what did you think of other artists this year who didn't cross 500k first week? Sorry, I'm not seeing way to see any type of "decline" regardless if they weren't 1 million plus. Previous 4 albums opened with 1m+. Lover opened with less. Reputation singles did not perform as well as singles from previous albums. Nor did the singles from Lover. She since re-peaked and has now peaked even higher than ever. I did not say the numbers were bad. The numbers were a decline. This is not difficult to understand. It's difficult for me to understand when even in 2024 artists aren't even putting up anywhere near 800k. Lol Even back then. Not everyone is going to do the same number everytime. |
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Post by andrebra on May 22, 2024 13:30:41 GMT -5
I’m done feeding the troll, there’s no use in arguing with a brainwashed stan.
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Post by thatpolishboy on May 22, 2024 13:30:54 GMT -5
Previous 4 albums opened with 1m+. Lover opened with less. Reputation singles did not perform as well as singles from previous albums. Nor did the singles from Lover. She since re-peaked and has now peaked even higher than ever. I did not say the numbers were bad. The numbers were a decline. This is not difficult to understand. It's difficult for me to understand when even in 2024 artists aren't even putting up anywhere near 800k. Lol Even back then. Not everyone is going to do the same number everytime. Why are you so desperate to defend her so hard? I'm someone who listens to Taylor a LOT, but let's not get delusional. If you dropped dead tomorrow she literally wouldn't give a f***. At the end of the week both women are about to cash in more than what we all earn combined so they will be fine lol |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 13:33:00 GMT -5
Lol, yep you heard it, this is what we need from Taylor, a goth punk album!!! Do you realize how horrible of an idea that would be, not only because it's so drastically different genre-wise from anything she's ever done and it doesn't fit her voice at all, but because her entire brand and image is completely built upon public perception and being the perfect "role model," and I just don't see her willingly lose that clout for even one album. It would be The Life of Chris Gaines-level of embarrassment. Lawd have mercy I have already clarified 45,000 times what kind of album I am specifically talking about and you can just go back and surmise from what I've already written. I don't want a LITERAL goth/punk album, I want something in the vein of what she *thought* she was creating with Rep. Yeah, I want her painted up like The Crow and the album stylistically produced like Rob Zombie. Smh. The nuance was looooost. And also for the 45th time I don't care how it performs. It's not about making a viably commerical album. It's about making an album that reflects who she is, warts and all, unfiltered, all her crazy, embraced, honest, open, real, and unfiltered, without a million tweaks to cater to the girl next door persona/image she's built up over the last two decades which is gradually dying anyway with her wealth and progression of success. She's at a point in her career where the decline is inevitable and she has nothing left to prove. She really doesn't ever need to make an album catering to chart success again (but I'm sure she will). |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 13:38:19 GMT -5
It's difficult for me to understand when even in 2024 artists aren't even putting up anywhere near 800k. Lol Even back then. Not everyone is going to do the same number everytime. Why are you so desperate to defend her so hard? I'm someone who listens to Taylor a LOT, but let's not get delusional. If you dropped dead tomorrow she literally wouldn't give a f***. At the end of the week both women are about to cash in more than what we all earn combined so they will be fine lol And you think any of these artists would gaf if you died tomorrow? I can also reverse this argument and say why are you so desperate to tear her down? She wouldn't GAF if YOU died tomorrow. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 22, 2024 13:40:23 GMT -5
People on both sides out there doing the most when it comes to Taylor. I think people who enjoy her music have realistic expectations for what they get and what they want from her. I remember someone made a thread a few weeks ago pondering about what a Taylor reggaeton song might sound like. The idea was preposterous to me because nobody would expect it, but even still, would anyone even want that? Having an image and sticking to a certain box of what your style is can be both a blessing and a curse. When someone says a certain Taylor song or album is "dark and edgy," I get what they mean - it's in the context of her other stuff, which generally is anything but. Do I consider Taylor a dark and edgy artist? Not at all. Would I even want her to be? Not really. Depends on how she approaches it I guess. I could see her doing something gothic in her lyrics, which I guess wouldn't be that much of a stretch from Folklore anyway. Would that be the same type of dark and edgy we get from Beyonce, Rihanna or even Billie? Most likely not. And that's fine. Saying someone isn't dark or edgy shouldn't be taken as an insult, but it shouldn't be used as one either. Taylor plays to her strengths and I think she does a fantastic job at those. It's silly to me when people try to diminish those because of what she doesn't do. You can do that with anyone really. But I guess that's what stan culture is all about. Praising your favs while ripping down everyone else.
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Post by clsvltn on May 22, 2024 13:42:37 GMT -5
People seem to forget that Reputation was the start of a seemingly unstoppable career decline and only by hard pivoting away from that did she recover. The revisit of it we're about to have with the TV is more than enough. Please do not quote the current reputation numbers. It only rebounded like that thanks to the Eras Tour and people finally appreciating it for what it is (solid pop album) but back in the day it seemed like no one outside the fandom enjoyed it. She even got Ed Sheeran to flop in 2017! I remember being so sad End Game flopped. I thought that was a sure fire mega hit just waiting with how big Ed and even Future were then. I do still love that song though |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 13:43:29 GMT -5
People on both sides out there doing the most when it comes to Taylor. I think people who enjoy her music have realistic expectations for what they get and what they want from her. I remember someone made a thread a few weeks ago pondering about what a Taylor reggaeton song might sound like. The idea was preposterous to me because nobody would expect it, but even still, would anyone even want that? Having an image and sticking to a certain box of what your style is can be both a blessing and a curse. When someone says a certain Taylor song or album is "dark and edgy," I get what they mean - it's in the context of her other stuff, which generally is anything but. Do I consider Taylor a dark and edgy artist? Not at all. Would I even want her to be? Not really. Depends on how she approaches it I guess. I could see her doing something gothic in her lyrics, which I guess wouldn't be that much of a stretch from Folklore anyway. Would that be the same type of dark and edgy we get from Beyonce, Rihanna or even Billie? Most likely not. And that's fine. Saying someone isn't dark or edgy shouldn't be taken as an insult, but it shouldn't be used as one either. Taylor plays to her strengths and I think she does a fantastic job at those. It's silly to me when people try to diminish those because of what she doesn't do. You can do that with anyone really. But I guess that's what stan culture is all about. Praising your favs while ripping down everyone else. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Thank you! |
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Post by Choco on May 22, 2024 13:45:09 GMT -5
I have to respect the commitment to keep the stan glasses on and not look at how most of the singles massively underperformed, how the critical scores dropped, the awards dried up, how the sales just didn't hold the same way her older albums did at that point, how Lover couldn't quite recapture the audience at the time, how being the biggest doesn't mean you can't be on a decline... If folklore had just been another Taylor Swift album a la Lover, or even worse, another abrassive record like reputation., she wouldn't be where she is today. Probably closer to Katy Perry, actually.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 22, 2024 13:57:43 GMT -5
she wouldn't be where she is today. Probably closer to Katy Perry, actually. I agree with most of what you said, but this is quite a reach. lol You're underestimating just how loyal her core fanbase is, especially compared to Katy, who doesn't really have much of one. All of that aside I hope Taylor just stops chasing commerical success. She has nothing left to prove and her legacy is cemented at this point. I know she won't, but I wish she would. 😂 |
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Post by rnb on May 22, 2024 14:10:56 GMT -5
musiclife must be a secret employee for taylor nation because there is no way somebody would ever do all this for free
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 22, 2024 14:20:26 GMT -5
musiclife must be a secret employee for taylor nation because there is no way somebody would ever do all this for free Or on Billie's payroll because why would TaylorNation pay to have someone make her look so bad by association? 😭😭 |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2024 14:20:37 GMT -5
musiclife must be a secret employee for taylor nation because there is no way somebody would ever do all this for free My first thought was, well the username "musiclife" says it all. Then I thought, "Well, really it should be "taylorlife." And then I thought, "Well they think Taylor is music, so 'musiclife' does say it all." |
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Post by thatpolishboy on May 22, 2024 14:43:36 GMT -5
Why are you so desperate to defend her so hard? I'm someone who listens to Taylor a LOT, but let's not get delusional. If you dropped dead tomorrow she literally wouldn't give a f***. At the end of the week both women are about to cash in more than what we all earn combined so they will be fine lol And you think any of these artists would gaf if you died tomorrow? I can also reverse this argument and say why are you so desperate to tear her down? She wouldn't GAF if YOU died tomorrow. Please point me to where I'm tearing Taylor down? If you take your time and re-read what I said they are BOTH cashing in. Go touch grass. |
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Post by fridayteenage on May 22, 2024 14:53:51 GMT -5
Billie at 22 is much more of a Grammy darling than Taylor at 22. She's perceived to have edge that Taylor never did
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 14:53:59 GMT -5
I have to respect the commitment to keep the stan glasses on and not look at how most of the singles massively underperformed, how the critical scores dropped, the awards dried up, how the sales just didn't hold the same way her older albums did at that point, how Lover couldn't quite recapture the audience at the time, how being the biggest doesn't mean you can't be on a decline... If folklore had just been another Taylor Swift album a la Lover, or even worse, another abrassive record like reputation., she wouldn't be where she is today. Probably closer to Katy Perry, actually. I hardly think 500k+ sales debuts even if Me! And YNTCD were declines. They were among the biggest debuts at the time. There just happened to be a monster song around at the time. Yes, they stalled around the top 10 on radio, but who cares? Many of the biggest artists in the last 20 years didn't have radio hits. I just find the whole narrative silly. The pop world at the time was on a mission to take her down cause at the time they were on the side of Kanye/Kim. Notice how fast things changed when it was revealed what a liar they were. Nope sorry, her core fanbase will always keep her big. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 14:56:06 GMT -5
musiclife must be a secret employee for taylor nation because there is no way somebody would ever do all this for free My first thought was, well the username "musiclife" says it all. Then I thought, "Well, really it should be "taylorlife." And then I thought, "Well they think Taylor is music, so 'musiclife' does say it all." And Taylor isn't the only music I like I just happen to be defending her this week. And please the way you're painting yourself you're the one making yourself sound like a hater. Who are your favorites because I'm sure you're making them look bad too. |
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 14:56:32 GMT -5
musiclife must be a secret employee for taylor nation because there is no way somebody would ever do all this for free Or on Billie's payroll because why would TaylorNation pay to have someone make her look so bad by association? 😭😭 See above. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 22, 2024 14:58:32 GMT -5
Well I know double posting is against the rules, but triple posting? It's the chokey for you!
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Post by musiclife on May 22, 2024 15:00:10 GMT -5
Well I know double posting is against the rules, but triple posting? It's the chokey for you! But gang assault by posting, antagonizing, and baiting isn't. If it's a rule break then call the mods and I'll retire from pulse. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 22, 2024 15:03:27 GMT -5
GANG ASSAULT lmao. Lighten up. We're talking about pop albums. And you even missed my joke.
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