Billboard Hot 100: 07/06/2024

[👑 Eloquent ™]

"Good Luck, Babe" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? How the hell did we get here?

[iHype.]

Lol time is showing Post Malone didn't take Hip-Hop serious and it was more of a 'young wild phase' for him, so I'm not even surprised at this pivot.

He honestly just reminds me of a Kid Rock-lite. I can just see the long term pivot into some Country-Rock artist adored by conservative middle aged white people and we forget there was ever a time he was an artist marketed to the Hip-Hop & Pop audience. 

[mms82]

Jun 27, 2024 19:52:03 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Lol time is showing Post Malone didn't take Hip-Hop serious and it was more of a 'young wild phase' for him, so I'm not even surprised at this pivot.

He honestly just reminds me of a Kid Rock-lite. I can just see the long term pivot into some Country-Rock artist adored by conservative middle aged white people and we forget there was ever a time he was an artist marketed to the Hip-Hop & Pop audience. 

I love Post and think he's much more talented than Rock (and more likable too), but I get this comparison (unfortunately, haha)

[jodakyellow]

Jun 27, 2024 19:25:59 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jun 27, 2024 19:20:08 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

That is a bit much lol. I highly doubt Babe will be as remembered and iconic and important to music as Smells like teen spirit.

I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is pretty overrated in its influence, and even so I have to agree here as what influence are people expecting "Babe" to have?

Honestly, "Good Luck, Babe" absolutely feels like something that will be looked back at as a defining cultural moment. If you don't see it yet, you will.

[lurker2]

Jun 27, 2024 22:57:12 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Jun 27, 2024 19:25:59 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is pretty overrated in its influence, and even so I have to agree here as what influence are people expecting "Babe" to have?

Honestly, "Good Luck, Babe" absolutely feels like something that will be looked back at as a defining cultural moment. If you don't see it yet, you will.

Not gonna lie could you go in a little on this? To me it feels pretty of the moment - there's definitely a throwback element to it to late 2000s/early 2010s popped, but it feels more like a synthesis of that and the nu-disco stuff we've been getting since Blinding Lights and Don't Start Now then something brand new. Then again, I suppose nothing is ever entirely new, and who knows, maybe that'll be the sound of pop for a bit. Personally I doubt it, it feels more like country adjacent stuff will creep in (in a way more like Please Please Please than Texas Hold Em, if that makes sense), but I digress. Like, to me it feels like a really good pop song but not much more than that. Well, aside from being Chappel Roan's coming out party - that should be big, I think she'll stick around.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 06/26/24

1(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 3,240,211 (-83,557)
2(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 2,750,668 (+59,552)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 2,544,330 (+42,322)
4(=) Post Malone, Morgan Wallen - I Had Some Help 2,354,435 (+62,891)
5(=) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 2,317,280 (+84,170)
6(=) Chapell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 2,188,979 (+71,691)
7(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 2,102,757 (+28,967)
8(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 2,046,011 (+31,424)
9(+1) Post Malone, Blake Shelton - Pour Me A Drink 1,363,637 (+120,629) (+10%)
10(-1) Hozier - Too Sweet 1,310,036 (-25,438)

Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT [7/10]
14(+1) LUNCH 1,116,444 (+50,129)
27(-1) CHIHIRO 821,572 (+4,677)
70(=) WILDFLOWER 566,685 (+163)
106(-6) L'AMOUR DE MA VIE 475,617 (-859)
135(-11) BLUE 436,589 (-3,033)
200(-18) THE GREATEST 364,418 (-708)
Total Forty-first Day Streams: 6,098,605 (+2.26%)

Other:
11(=) Chappell Roan - HOT TO GO! 1,186,022 (+1,553)
12(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,181,198 (+30,877)
13(=) Zach Bryan - Pink Skies 1,172,458 (+30,986)
15(+2) Eminem - Houdini 1,079,738 (+49,394)
16(-2) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 1,069,481 (-5,143)
17(-1) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 1,054,557 (+23,496)
18(=) Tommy Richman - DEVIL IS A LIE 1,029,253 (+8,858)
20(+1) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 940,335 (+12,817)
21(-1) Taylor Swift, Post Malone - Fortnight 930,995 (-22,038)
22(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 899,532 (-8,947)
23(=) Dasha - Austin 889,050 (+1,247)
24(=) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 878,059 (-3,539)
25(+3) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 850,962 (+54,933)
26(-1) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 842,993 (-10,198)
29(+3) Chappell Roan - Pink Pony Club 795,280 (+26,677) *NEW PEAK*
30(+3) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 784,418 (+19,495)
31(=) Koe Wetzel, Jessie Murph - High Road 774,190 (-15,730)
32(+7) Zach Bryan - Heading South 759,635 (+34,845)
33(+2) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 758,129 (+18,547)
34(-4) Gracie Abrams - Close to You 754,351 (-38,172)
35(+2) Myles Smith - Stargazing 754,120 (+27,793)
36(+12) Mustard, Travis Scott - Parking Lot 753,825 (+63,984)
38(-9) Gracie Abrams, Taylor Swift - us. 749,593 (-44,197)
40(+4) Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love) 743,197 (+33,198)
41(-5) Artemas - i like the way you kiss me 740,653 (+4,526)
43(-2) Djo - End of Beginning 723,092 (+3,971)
44(-1) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 720,701 (+8,624)
45(-5) Central Cee, Lil Baby - BAND4BAND 716,515 (-6,915)
48(+7) The Kid LAROI - NIGHTS LIKE THIS 687,492 (+62,832) (+10%)
49(+2) SZA - Saturn 684,147 (+10,353)
50(-4) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 683,036 (-10,584)
52(=) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 671,000 (+2,825)
54(-5) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 664,551 (-22,370)
55(+1) Chappell Roan - Casual 663,492 (+39,687) *NEW PEAK*
56(+9) Ella Langley, Riley Green - you look like you love me 662,145 (+85,366) (+15%) *NEW PEAK*
57(-3) KAROL G - Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido 636,145 (+6,139)
58(-5) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 634,951 (-6,014)
59(-2) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 614,388 (+3,698)
60(-1) Moneybagg Yo, Morgan Wallen - WHISKEY WHISKEY 606,921 (+4,723)
62(=) Charli XCX - 360 599,403 (+13,365)
69(-6) Dominic Fike - misses 575,103 (-8,396)
72(-1) Tinashe - Nasty 564,854 (+1,325)
76(-1) Gunna - one of wun 550,809 (+2,090)
78(-9) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 549,215 (-19,122)
82(-15) Charli XCX, Lorde - Girl, so confusing Remix 544,863 (-30,806)
84(+12) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 539,551 (+48,564) (+10%)
85(-1) Ariana Grande - the boy is mine 532,996 (+3,286)
86(+37) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 532,190 (+91,257) (+21%)
87(-23) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 531,858 (-46,445)
89(-12) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 530,526 (-14,985)
92(-2) Chappell Roan - My Kink is Karma 515,916 (+9,664)
93(-2) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 510,523 (+6,222)
94(-6) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 504,280 (-3,017)
95(-6) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 501,863 (-4,788)
96(+6) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 495,189 (+19,980)
98(=) Chappell Roan - Femininomenon 492,756 (+5,102)
99(-4) Taylor Swift - Guilty as Sin? 490,640 (-4,313)

101(-4) Sexyy Red - Get It Sexy 485,252 (-4,639)
111(-10) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 469,827 (-6,195)
119(-10) Taylor Swift - Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 459,908 (-2,045)
130(-9) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 445,532 (+962)
133(-16) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 438,812 (-11,580)
134(+4) Zach Bryan - Nine Ball 438,586 (+24,752)
138(-1) Don Toliver - BANDIT 427,302 (+11,833)
141(+10) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 414,970 (+18,680) *NEW PEAK*
142(-12) Taylor Swift - So Long, London 414,569 (-11,074)
144(-15) Taylor Swift - But Daddy I Love 412,179 (-15,989)
145(+29) Bryan Martin - We Ride 411,970 (+38,281) (+10%)
151(+8) d4vd - Feel It 403,326-386,121 (+17,205)
153(-11) Taylor Swift - My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 401,994 (-6,953)
155(+2) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love in Oklahoma 401,362 (+10,919)
157(+36) Cris Mj - SI NO ES CONTIGO 397,243-359,541 (+37,702) (+10%)
159(-14) Gracie Abrams - Risk 394,446 (-10,303)
161(-26) Peso Pluma, Ivan Cornejo - RELOJ 391,522 (-28,921)
179(+2) Josh Meloy - Porch Light 376,894 (+10,356)
182(-14) Luke Combs - The Man He Sees in Me 374,206 (-3,627)
183(-11) Chappell Roan - Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl 372,917 (-2,634)
186(-19) Gracie Abrams - I Love You, I'm Sorry 370,703 (-8,471)
193(RE) A$AP Rocky, Imogen Heap, Clams Casino - I Smoked Away My Brain 367,433
199(-41) Jelly Roll - I Am Not Okay 364,538 (-21,775)

Total Streams for Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess [7/14]: 4,977,395
Total Sixth Day Streams for Gracie Abrams - The Secret of Us [4/13]: 2,269,093 (-4.27%)

Biggest Gains (50K+): BUTTERFLY EFFECT, Have You Ever Seen the Rain?, Sure Thing, ONE CALL, Kill Bill, Everlong, Where the Wild Things Are, you look like you love me, Sweater Weather, NIGHTS LIKE THIS, Parking Lot, Feather, LUNCH, Pour Me A Drink, Good Luck Babe!, BIRDS OF A FEATHER, I Had Some Help, Not Like Us

[bbdenney94]

Maybe it’s because I’m biased but GLB feels like a very big cultural moment for queer pop (in a word that is increasingly hostile to queer and trans identity) and the fact that Roan’s rise from an indie artist to superstar has been insanely fast. The accolades. The viral performances and outfits. She’s got so much going for her!

…or maybe I’m wrong, which is also a total possibility! It’s just pop music :) it might just be a fun summer with a great song and nothing more. But then again people were saying it was a bad idea to release Please Please Please/it would flop just a few weeks ago sooooo

[Harx]

I wonder if there are any plans for Good Luck Babe video. Could deliver some really great visuals

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Jun 28, 2024 4:38:28 GMT -5 bbdenney94 said:

Maybe it’s because I’m biased but GLB feels like a very big cultural moment for queer pop (in a word that is increasingly hostile to queer and trans identity) and the fact that Roan’s rise from an indie artist to superstar has been insanely fast. The accolades. The viral performances and outfits. She’s got so much going for her!

…or maybe I’m wrong, which is also a total possibility! It’s just pop music :) it might just be a fun summer with a great song and nothing more. But then again people were saying it was a bad idea to release Please Please Please/it would flop just a few weeks ago sooooo

GLB is huge, you're right. It was immediately huge upon release in queer circles and is only getting bigger almost three months out from release. It is having a big moment in queer zeitgeist and I do think it will leave a legacy. 

That said, a Nirvana comparison when the song hasn't yet hit the Top 10 & is the artist's first Hot 100 hit is incredibly lofty. that's all 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 28, 2024 5:32:19 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Jun 28, 2024 4:38:28 GMT -5 bbdenney94 said:

Maybe it’s because I’m biased but GLB feels like a very big cultural moment for queer pop (in a word that is increasingly hostile to queer and trans identity) and the fact that Roan’s rise from an indie artist to superstar has been insanely fast. The accolades. The viral performances and outfits. She’s got so much going for her!

…or maybe I’m wrong, which is also a total possibility! It’s just pop music :) it might just be a fun summer with a great song and nothing more. But then again people were saying it was a bad idea to release Please Please Please/it would flop just a few weeks ago sooooo

GLB is huge, you're right. It was immediately huge upon release in queer circles and is only getting bigger almost three months out from release. It is having a big moment in queer zeitgeist and I do think it will leave a legacy. 

That said, a Nirvana comparison when the song hasn't yet hit the Top 10 & is the artist's first Hot 100 hit is incredibly lofty. that's all 

I’d be curious to know how Nirvana was received by non-grunge fans when SLTS first broke through. I can see why a suggestion comparing GLB! to that would seem very far fetched, but when you look at it as: GLB could be to Gen Z queer culture as SLTS was to Gen X weirdos. The benefit SLTS had was having the support of outlets like MTV and magazines, all of which had credibility and a strong following among peers. Today, there aren’t a lot of equivalent channels and outlets to funnel the message of “this song is important” through, so you have things like social media and tiktok, none of which rate high on credibility. But Gen X also quickly went on to dominate what would be the foundation of pop culture and music shortly afterward, which only helped to raise the sense of importance behind something like SLTS. It’s a bold statement to make but it’s not completely unrealistic.

[stormlover74]

Jun 28, 2024 7:34:03 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jun 28, 2024 5:32:19 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

GLB is huge, you're right. It was immediately huge upon release in queer circles and is only getting bigger almost three months out from release. It is having a big moment in queer zeitgeist and I do think it will leave a legacy. 

That said, a Nirvana comparison when the song hasn't yet hit the Top 10 & is the artist's first Hot 100 hit is incredibly lofty. that's all 

I’d be curious to know how Nirvana was received by non-grunge fans when SLTS first broke through. I can see why a suggestion comparing GLB! to that would seem very far fetched, but when you look at it as: GLB could be to Gen Z queer culture as SLTS was to Gen X weirdos. The benefit SLTS had was having the support of outlets like MTV and magazines, all of which had credibility and a strong following among peers. Today, there aren’t a lot of equivalent channels and outlets to funnel the message of “this song is important” through, so you have things like social media and tiktok, none of which rate high on credibility. But Gen X also quickly went on to dominate what would be the foundation of pop culture and music shortly afterward, which only helped to raise the sense of importance behind something like SLTS. It’s a bold statement to make but it’s not completely unrealistic.

Nirvana and pearl jam brought millions of fans to grunge who had no idea what it was. They saw the video and loved the song and it ushered in a completely new sound. Of course bands like GnR and Metallica didn't go anywhere in 92 but many of the hair metal bands disappeared from MTV

[jenglisbe]

Yeah Nirvana and the other Seattle bands ushered out "hair bands" and ushered in grunge music, as well as the 'quite verse-loud chorus' dynamic. In terms of the culture itself, Nirvana/grunge also brought certain fashion with it (i.e. plaid, etc), and the feeling that people who aren't popular/cheerleaders/etc have other people like them. I think "SLTS" is a bit overstated in its influence because ultimately grunge was a trend that only lasted a few years, but it did have influence and is generally recognized as a turning point in pop culture. To that end, "Good Luck Babe" has a lot of work ahead of it to be seen on that level. I was just wondering what about it people see as being on the level of ushering out one trend and bringing in a new one both in music and the cultural landscape to already be mentioned with "SLTS." It would need to speak for a large group of people who haven't felt heard (which is perhaps possible) and also usher out one sound and bring in a new trend of music to even be in a conversation with "SLTS."

[stormlover74]

Jun 28, 2024 8:31:51 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yeah Nirvana and the other Seattle bands ushered out "hair bands" and ushered in grunge music, as well as the 'quite verse-loud chorus' dynamic. In terms of the culture itself, Nirvana/grunge also brought certain fashion with it (i.e. plaid, etc), and the feeling that people who aren't popular/cheerleaders/etc have other people like them. I think "SLTS" is a bit overstated in its influence because ultimately grunge was a trend that only lasted a few years, but it did have influence and is generally recognized as a turning point in pop culture. To that end, "Good Luck Babe" has a lot of work ahead of it to be seen on that level. I was just wondering what about it people see as being on the level of ushering out one trend and bringing in a new one both in music and the cultural landscape to already be mentioned with "SLTS." It would need to speak for a large group of people who haven't felt heard (which is perhaps possible) and also usher out one sound and bring in a new trend of music to even be in a conversation with "SLTS."

In 97 when the spice girls hit, it helped usher in the return of that sort of pop music that had been missing from the charts since the early 90s. Hanson, backstreet boys, nsync, Britney and Christina all followed and became huge. BB of course charted first back in 95 but struggled initially in the US

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

That’s a pretty limited view of what an influential or “important” song needs to do in order to be considered as such. A song just needs to be representative or symbolic even of a people or culture in a larger-scale way. It’s more likely that GLB won’t be that at all but to set up these arbitrary boxes that need to be checked off just because the example being compared to did it like that is strange to me.

[jenglisbe]

Jun 28, 2024 8:38:45 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

That’s a pretty limited view of what an influential or “important” song needs to do in order to be considered as such. A song just needs to be representative or symbolic even of a people or culture in a larger-scale way. It’s more likely that GLB won’t be that at all but to set up these arbitrary boxes that need to be checked off just because the example being compared to did it like that is strange to me.

I don't know what this is specifically directed at since you didn't quote anything, but I can say the initial post that sparked this conversation said:

"Good Luck, Babe!" is aiming for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" level of cultural impact and I'm not even joking.

If a post compares "GLB" to "SLTS" and "SLTS" only, then of course the impact "SLTS" had is going to be used as the measure. If other songs had been named along with "SLTS," then other things would be looked at.

[Ling-Ling]

I love "GLB" and obviously Chappell is having a huge moment right now. We're witnessing the rise of a promising new pop star in real time, which is always exciting. But what am I missing here? "GLB" is just a straight-forward pop song and nothing about it is even off-trend. It's not pushing any sounds that are going to shift the pop landscape and it's not a song that even makes a bold statement. I think people are conflating her meteoric rise and her potential to be a pop culture shifter with the song itself and those are not the same thing.

[Choco]

Same. It's a good song but it hardly reinvented the wheel. Is it the visual, her flamboyant style? We've seen that before too.

[hughster1]

Jun 28, 2024 8:31:51 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yeah Nirvana and the other Seattle bands ushered out "hair bands" and ushered in grunge music, as well as the 'quite verse-loud chorus' dynamic. In terms of the culture itself, Nirvana/grunge also brought certain fashion with it (i.e. plaid, etc), and the feeling that people who aren't popular/cheerleaders/etc have other people like them. I think "SLTS" is a bit overstated in its influence because ultimately grunge was a trend that only lasted a few years, but it did have influence and is generally recognized as a turning point in pop culture. To that end, "Good Luck Babe" has a lot of work ahead of it to be seen on that level. I was just wondering what about it people see as being on the level of ushering out one trend and bringing in a new one both in music and the cultural landscape to already be mentioned with "SLTS." It would need to speak for a large group of people who haven't felt heard (which is perhaps possible) and also usher out one sound and bring in a new trend of music to even be in a conversation with "SLTS."

Also the album that "Nevermind" by Nirvana knocked out of number one was famously Michael Jackson's long-in-the-making, uber-expensive "Dangerous." It was a passing-of-the-torch moment on the charts comparable to when "I Want To Hold Your Hand" knocked "There! I've Said It Again" by old-fashioned crooner Bobby Vinton from number one on the Hot 100 in 1964.

[jenglisbe]

Jun 28, 2024 13:20:54 GMT -5 hughster1 said:

Jun 28, 2024 8:31:51 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yeah Nirvana and the other Seattle bands ushered out "hair bands" and ushered in grunge music, as well as the 'quite verse-loud chorus' dynamic. In terms of the culture itself, Nirvana/grunge also brought certain fashion with it (i.e. plaid, etc), and the feeling that people who aren't popular/cheerleaders/etc have other people like them. I think "SLTS" is a bit overstated in its influence because ultimately grunge was a trend that only lasted a few years, but it did have influence and is generally recognized as a turning point in pop culture. To that end, "Good Luck Babe" has a lot of work ahead of it to be seen on that level. I was just wondering what about it people see as being on the level of ushering out one trend and bringing in a new one both in music and the cultural landscape to already be mentioned with "SLTS." It would need to speak for a large group of people who haven't felt heard (which is perhaps possible) and also usher out one sound and bring in a new trend of music to even be in a conversation with "SLTS."

Also the album that "Nevermind" by Nirvana knocked out of number one was famously Michael Jackson's long-in-the-making, uber-expensive "Dangerous." It was a passing-of-the-torch moment on the charts comparable to when "I Want To Hold Your Hand" knocked "There! I've Said It Again" by old-fashioned crooner Bobby Vinton from number one on the Hot 100 in 1964.

Yeah I've heard people talk about that symbolism before, but I've never quite understood it because Dangerous of course had a lot of hits (with most of them coming after the album fell from #1), Michael Jackson himself would have more hits on future albums, and R&B/pop music remained relevant even during the time grunge was big. The only genre grunge really replaced was 'hair band' rock, but even then that groundwork had already started with alternative acts like Red Hot Chili Peppers and R.E.M. having hits before Nirvana blew up. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the culmination/tipping point.

[andrebra]

While I don’t feel the need to compare it to other songs, especially in commercial terms, I actually do think GLB is reinventing the wheel! The song is more overtly gay than most hit pop songs from the past few years while she’s serving Kate Bush vocals. I truly cannot think of another hit song from the past 5-10 years that sounds anything like it.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 28, 2024 8:50:32 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jun 28, 2024 8:38:45 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

That’s a pretty limited view of what an influential or “important” song needs to do in order to be considered as such. A song just needs to be representative or symbolic even of a people or culture in a larger-scale way. It’s more likely that GLB won’t be that at all but to set up these arbitrary boxes that need to be checked off just because the example being compared to did it like that is strange to me.

I don't know what this is specifically directed at since you didn't quote anything, but I can say the initial post that sparked this conversation said:

"Good Luck, Babe!" is aiming for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" level of cultural impact and I'm not even joking.

If a post compares "GLB" to "SLTS" and "SLTS" only, then of course the impact "SLTS" had is going to be used as the measure. If other songs had been named along with "SLTS," then other things would be looked at.

Oh sorry, it was in response to your post a couple above this one. I just meant the specifics you put on it. That it would have to basically put an end to a popular genre while also starting a new one. Yeah, SLTS can maybe be credited with that but it’s hardly a requirement of a generation-defining song.

At the end of the day, most of us likely aren’t the ones doing the defining of that when all is said and done. I’m not gen Z and while I’m queer, I’m still fairly far removed from the target audience of GLB, so it’s also not me who will have any influence over whether a song speaks enough to the people who basically take ownership of it. I’m simply saying that it’s not an impossibly far fetched suggestion to make.

[avamaxstan]

Jun 28, 2024 10:04:05 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

I love "GLB" and obviously Chappell is having a huge moment right now. We're witnessing the rise of a promising new pop star in real time, which is always exciting. But what am I missing here? "GLB" is just a straight-forward pop song and nothing about it is even off-trend. It's not pushing any sounds that are going to shift the pop landscape and it's not a song that even makes a bold statement. I think people are conflating her meteoric rise and her potential to be a pop culture shifter with the song itself and those are not the same thing.

A song that’s openly about queer/lesbian romance smashing on mainstream pop radio is (literally) not straight-forward and quite bold.

[fridayteenage]

Well a girl with a bunch of Grammys and sales has a song about the same subject that's higher on mainstream pop radio right now, and it's more explicit and in your face about it.

[Ling-Ling]

Jun 29, 2024 0:38:04 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

A song that’s openly about queer/lesbian romance smashing on mainstream pop radio is (literally) not straight-forward and quite bold.

It's an easily digestible song with synth-pop production that could fit on any number of recent albums. The lyrics are inoffensive and incredibly universal to anybody that's had a breakup. Not to mention, "LUNCH" is right there, lol. And as if Lil Nas X and Sam Smith haven't shown that queer pop can be incredibly successful and mainstream over the last few years (and theirs was far more inflammatory). I think you guys are overblowing this albeit great song. Bold? Smells Like Teen Spirit? Reinventing the wheel? Defining cultural moment? I dunno, just not seeing it.

Chappell has the potential to be a pop culture shifter, this song is just her first hit IMO. The same way "Just Dance" was for Lady Gaga, but wasn't the song that moved the needle.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 06/27/24

1(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 3,145,499 (-94,712)
2(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 2,767,715 (+17,047)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 2,547,653 (+3,323)
4(=) Post Malone, Morgan Wallen - I Had Some Help 2,422,189 (+67,754)
5(=) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 2,267,652 (-49,628)
6(=) Chapell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 2,213,714 (+24,735)
7(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 2,103,083 (+326)
8(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 2,073,968 (+27,957)
9(=) Post Malone, Blake Shelton - Pour Me A Drink 1,397,244 (+33,607)
10(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 1,319,919 (+9,883)

Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT [6/10]
14(=) LUNCH 1,108,221 (-8,223)
30(-3) CHIHIRO 799,632 (-21,940)
75(-5) WILDFLOWER 559,834 (-6,851)
117(-11) L'AMOUR DE MA VIE 464,427 (-11,190)
138(-3) BLUE 429,655 (-6,934)
Total Forty-second Day Streams: 5,629,421 (-7.69%)

Other:
11(=) Chappell Roan - HOT TO GO! 1,253,731 (+67,709)
12(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,179,828 (-1,370)
13(=) Zach Bryan - Pink Skies 1,147,863 (-24,595)
15(+3) Tommy Richman - DEVIL IS A LIE 1,066,724 (+37,471) *NEW PEAK*
16(=) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 1,058,036 (-11,445)
17(=) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 1,052,248 (-2,309)
18(-3) Eminem - Houdini 1,040,715 (-39,023)
20(+4) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 970,702 (+92,643) (+11%)
21(=) Taylor Swift, Post Malone - Fortnight 938,971 (+7,976)
22(-2) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 936,555 (-3,780)
23(-1) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 918,052 (+18,520)
24(-1) Dasha - Austin 917,221 (+28,171)
25(+1) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 857,905 (+14,912)
27(+2) Chappell Roan - Pink Pony Club 831,303 (+36,023) *NEW PEAK*
28(-3) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 823,107 (-27,855)
29(+7) Mustard, Travis Scott - Parking Lot 809,040 (+55,215)
31(=) Koe Wetzel, Jessie Murph - High Road 789,766 (+15,576)
32(-2) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 787,147 (+2,729)
36(-1) Myles Smith - Stargazing 756,020 (+1,900)
37(-3) Gracie Abrams - Close to You 747,362 (-6,989)
38(-6) Zach Bryan - Heading South 741,155 (-18,480)
39(-6) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 739,383 (-18,746)
40(+16) Ella Langley, Riley Green - you look like you love me 738,532 (+76,387) (+12%) *NEW PEAK*
41(-1) Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love) 738,102 (-5,095)
43(-5) Gracie Abrams, Taylor Swift - us. 735,308 (-14,285)
44(-3) Artemas - i like the way you kiss me 730,068 (-10,585)
45(-1) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 729,918 (+9,217)
46(-3) Djo - End of Beginning 724,694 (+1,602)
48(-3) Central Cee, Lil Baby - BAND4BAND 702,967 (-13,548)
49(-1) The Kid LAROI - NIGHTS LIKE THIS 700,034 (+12,542)
50(+4) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 695,127 (+30,576)
51(-1) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 686,918 (+3,882)
53(+2) Chappell Roan - Casual 672,520 (+9,028) *NEW PEAK*
54(+3) KAROL G - Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido 666,686 (+30,541)
56(-7) SZA - Saturn 658,931 (-25,216)
57(-5) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 658,450 (-12,550)
59(-1) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 655,391 (+20,440)
62(=) Charli XCX - 360 613,741 (+14,338)
63(-3) Moneybagg Yo, Morgan Wallen - WHISKEY WHISKEY 611,148 (+4,227)
66(-7) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 598,038 (-16,350)
69(=) Dominic Fike - misses 572,838 (-2,265)
73(-1) Tinashe - Nasty 561,680 (-3,174)
76(+2) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 552,150 (+2,935)
79(+16) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 548,937 (+47,074)
80(+14) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 547,527 (+43,247)
82(+4) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 542,099 (+9,909)
84(-8) Gunna - one of wun 538,593 (-12,216)
86(-2) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 537,219 (-2,332)
89(-2) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 529,278 (-2,580)
90(-8) Charli XCX, Lorde - Girl, so confusing Remix 524,968 (-19,895)
91(+1) Chappell Roan - My Kink is Karma 524,408 (+8,492)
93(-4) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 520,493 (-10,033)
94(-1) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 515,356 (+4,833)
96(-11) Ariana Grande - the boy is mine 509,902 (-23,094)
97(+1) Chappell Roan - Femininomenon 506,849 (+14,093) *NEW PEAK*
99(-3) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 498,198 (+3,009)

103(-4) Taylor Swift - Guilty as Sin? 485,211 (-5,429)
104(-3) Sexyy Red - Get It Sexy 483,889 (-1,363)
115(+4) Taylor Swift - Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 466,128 (+6,220)
116(-5) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 465,907 (-3,920)
119(+11) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 463,058 (+17,526)
127(+6) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 442,130 (+3,318)
130(+4) Zach Bryan - Nine Ball 438,347 (-239)
144(+1) Bryan Martin - We Ride 420,494 (+8,524)
145(-3) Taylor Swift - So Long, London 419,401 (+4,832)
146(RE) ian - Magic Johnson 419,221
147(-6) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 417,579 (+2,609)
149(+8) Cris Mj - SI NO ES CONTIGO 414,571 (+17,328)
150(+5) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love in Oklahoma 414,015 (+12,653)
151(-7) Taylor Swift - But Daddy I Love 410,176 (-2,003)
152(-14) Don Toliver - BANDIT 409,550 (-17,752)
156(-3) Taylor Swift - My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 406,734 (+4,740)
168(+11) Josh Meloy - Porch Light 393,008 (+16,114)
172(+10) Luke Combs - The Man He Sees in Me 389,999 (+15,793)
182(+17) Jelly Roll - I Am Not Okay 381,422- (+16,884)
185(-2) Chappell Roan - Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl 379,994 (+7,077)
186(RE) Peso Pluma, Neton Vega - LA PATRULLA 379,828
188(RE) Koe Wetzel - Sweet Dreams 379,148
192(-31) Peso Pluma, Ivan Cornejo - RELOJ 378,248 (-13,274)
197(DEBUT) Chappell Roan - Naked in Manhattan 374,214
199(DEBUT) Chappell Roan - After Midnight 372,828

Total Streams for Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess [9/14]: 5,968,095

Biggest Gains (50K+): Where the Wild Things Are, you look like you love me, Cruel Summer, Parking Lot, Cowgirls, HOT TO GO!, I Had Some Help

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - Week 06/27/24

1(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 23,680,977
2(+4) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 19,696,606
3(-1) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 18,031,651
4(=) Post Malone, Morgan Wallen - I Had Some Help 16,992,362
5(-2) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 15,772,345
6(-1) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 14,942,398
7(+1) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 14,911,696 *NEW PEAK*
8(-1) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 14,745,213
9(+1) Hozier - Too Sweet 9,335,934
10(DEBUT) Post Malone, Blake Shelton - Pour Me A Drink 8,831,626

Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT [6/10]
14(-2) LUNCH 7,717,193
28(-12) CHIHIRO 5,664,095
70(-23) WILDFLOWER 3,953,506
111(-40) L'AMOUR DE MA VIE 3,299,459
129(-42) BLUE 3,057,689
Week 6 Streams: 39,464,287 (-28.58%)

11(-2) Zach Bryan - Pink Skies 8,206,234
12(+8) Chappell Roan - HOT TO GO! 8,201,855 *NEW PEAK*
13(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 8,053,665
15(=) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 7,536,074
16(-5) Eminem - Houdini 7,509,784
17(+6) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 7,231,797 *NEW PEAK*
19(+33) Tommy Richman - THE DEVIL IS A LIE 6,770,448 *NEW PEAK*
20(-3) Taylor Swift, Post Malone - Fortnight 6,590,992
21(=) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 6,489,262
22(-4) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 6,428,309
24(+5) Dasha - Austin 6,269,712
26(+2) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 5,849,800
27(DEBUT) Gracie Abrams, Taylor Swift - us. 5,818,604
29(+2) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 5,651,115
31(-9) Koe Wetzel, Jessie Murph - High Road 5,592,259
32(=) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 5,573,652
33(+6) Gracie Abrams - Close to You 5,317,713
34(+11) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 5,306,278
37(-7) Artemas - i like the way u kiss me 5,122,016
38(+35) Chappell Roan - Pink Pony Club 5,120,915 *NEW PEAK*
39(-13) Central Cee, Lil Baby - BAND4BAND 5,095,963
40(-6) Myles Smith - Stargazing 5,092,269
44(DEBUT) Mustard, Travis Scott - Parking Lot 5,023,252
46(-19) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 5,006,102
47(-6) Djo - End of Beginning 4,943,986
48(+6) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 4,833,547 *NEW PEAK*
49(-1) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 4,744,113
51(-2) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 4,672,541
52(-15) SZA - Saturn 4,654,490
53(+22) Moneybagg Yo, Morgan Wallen - WHISKEY WHISKEY 4,475,678 *NEW PEAK*
55(DEBUT) Charli XCX, Lorde - Girl, so confusing Remix 4,322,772
56(DEBUT) The Kid LAROI - NIGHTS LIKE THIS 4,273,263
57(+8) Charli XCX - 360 4,269,700 *NEW PEAK*
58(+42) Chappell Roan - Casual 4,261,267 *NEW PEAK*
60(-7) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 4,237,047
61(DEBUT) KAROL G - Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido 4,230,673
66(-5) Tinashe - Nasty 4,092,511
69(DEBUT) Ellie Langley, Riley Green - you look like you love me 3,987,540
74(-18) Gunna - one of wun 3,900,556
77(+21) Ariana Grande - the boy is mine 3,891,628
79(-17) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 3,846,078
80(-6) Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 3,838,914
81(+24) Dominic Fike - misses 3,767,363 *NEW PEAK*
85(-5) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 3,727,828
86(+5) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 3,718,748
88(+24) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 3,633,091
89(+1) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 3,618,495
93(-8) Sexyy Red - Get It Sexyy 3,532,448
95(-9) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 3,495,450
97(+34) Chappell Roan - My Kink is Karma 3,468,724 *NEW PEAK*
98(-56) Don Toliver - Bandit 3,412,921
100(-11) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 3,373,210

101(-13) Taylor Swift - Guilty as Sin? 3,361,230
104(+49) Chappell Roan - Femininomenon 3,343,121 *NEW PEAK*
106(=) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 3,321,202
107(+10) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 3,317,563
109(-17) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 3,301,964
117(DEBUT) Peso Pluma, Ivan Cornejo - RELOJ 3,234,919
123(-20) Taylor Swift - Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 3,171,307
127(+12) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 3,091,523
130(RE) Gracie Abrams - Risk3,033,479
137(-113) Luke Combs - The Man He Sees in Me 2,969,711
138(+40) Zach Bryan - Nine Ball 2,944,328
146(DEBUT) Zach Bryan - Motorcycle Drive By 2,869,793
147(-10) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love in Oklahoma 2,863,217
148(-13) Taylor Swift - So Long, London 2,857,344
149(DEBUT) ian - Magic Johnson 2,844,272
150(-4) Taylor Swift - But Daddy I Love Him 2,833,092
152(DEBUT) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 2,811,163
153(+24) Jelly Roll - I Am Not Okay 2,799,306 *NEW PEAK*
154(-108) $uicideboy$ - The Thin Grey Line 2,798,961
155(-47) Cris Mj - SI NO ES CONTIGO 2,784,387
159(-14) Taylor Swift - My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 2,762,661
162(+8) Bryan Martin - We Ride 2,738,278
166(-33) d4vd - Feel It 2,703,887
170(DEBUT) Peso Pluma, Natanael Cano, Gabito Ballesteros - VINO TINTO 2,644,579
173(-50) Koe Wetzel - Sweet Dreams 2,637,143
174(+15) Josh Meloy - Porch Light 2,636,101
176(DEBUT) Gracie Abrams - I Love You, I'm Sorry 2,629,825
192(-129) Don Toliver, Kodak Black - BROTHER STONE 2,578,808
193(DEBUT) Peso Pluma, Neton Vega - LA PATRULLA 2,578,496
194(DEBUT) Chappell Roan - Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl 2,574,633

Total First Week Streams for Gracie Abrams - The Secret of Us [4/12]: 16,799,621
Total First Week Streams for Peso Pluma - ÉXODO [3/24]: 8,457,994

Please Please Please stays on Top for a third week in a row although it saw its first sizable decrease with a drop of 25.48%. Its gap in streams was still large enough to beat Not Like Us which shot back up to #2 with a 21.12% increase thanks to Kendrick Lamar's concert event last week. This pushed back Espresso to #3 which had a 9.42% drop in streams. I Had Some Help stablized at #4 with only a 0.32% decrease in streams. Then reaching a new peak of #7 is Good Luck, Babe! which was up 28.11%. And in our highest debut of the week, Post Malone and Blake Shelton's collab debuted with 8.8M. Not as big as I Had Some Help but still a respectable debut.

None of the albums from last week had good holds this week. Don Toliver had drops for BANDIT and BROTHER STONE by 32.06% and 37.66% respectively. Meanwhile the Thin Grey Line had a fall of 43.71%, and The Man He Sees in Me absolutely collapsed with a drop of 52.89%.Also, Pink Skies falls out of the Top 10 with a 28.62% decrease.

Meanwhile, Chappell Roan continues her momentum with now 7 songs charting and several of her songs reaching new peaks in chart position and in streams. DEVIL IS A LIE also broke into the Top 10 as Tommy Richman avoids being a one hit wonder. WHISKEY WHISKEY also rose off of its debut last week and the boy is mine continued its momentum. We also saw debuts for Lorde's remix of Charli XCX's Girl, so confusing. Finally, it was interesting to see Chappell do better than both the new albums from Peso Pluma and Gracie Abrams. At the very least Gracie's song with Taylor Swift debuted at #27 with 5.8M. Peso Pluma's highest song was a pathetically low 3.234M, only enough to hit #117.

Notable Gains:
DEVIL IS A LIE - 45.88%
Pink Pony Club - 29.02%
Good Luck, Babe! - 28.11%
HOT TO GO! - 24%
Casual - 21.71%
Not Like Us - 21.12%
HUMBLE. - 18.11%
Femininomenon - 15.54%
WHISKEY WHISKEY - 14.02%
Red Wine Supernova - 13.57%
My Kink is Karma - 12.9%
the boy is mine - 10.79%
misses - 10.21%
Nine Ball - 10.12%

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US Albums Bombs of 2024

Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department: THE ANTHOLOGY: 526,957,706
Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department: 362,752,796
Taylor Swift - THE ANTHOLOGY: 164,204,910
Beyoncé - COWBOY CARTER: 152,838,013
Future and Metro Boomin - WE DON'T TRUST YOU: 128,545,435
Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT: 122,006,835
Ariana Grande - eternal sunshine: 111,888,483
Kanye West and Ty Dolla $ign - VULTURES 1: 89,047,635
21 Savage - american dream: 79,493,203
J. Cole - Might Delete Late: 54,299,358
Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday 2: 40,732,029
Noah Kahan - Stick Season (Forever): 35,426,778
Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess (peak week): 34,202,312
Olivia Rodrigo - GUTS (spilled): 29,294,876
Future and Metro Boomin - We Still Don't Trust You: 28,773,968
Tate McRae - THINK LATER: 27,386,204
Hozier - Unheard EP: 26,854,033
$uicideboy$ - New World Depression: 26,591,292
Don Toliver - HARDSTONE PSYCHO: 22,339,957

[kcdawg13]

The 2020's hasn't really had a Nirvana/Lorde moment, where something so different hits the scene and sweeps all the old tired stuff away. And honestly, with how homogeneous streaming is, I don't think we'll ever get another one of those. In the past radio controlled everything, nowadays people just listen to what they want and pop music is now a bit of everything. We've had country songs, 80's inspired synthpop, r&b, hip-hop, folk, trap music, edm, regional mexican music, drum n' bass, pop-punk tracks all hitting the Hot 100 in the past 4 years, compared to when something like Royals came out and basically electropop was the only thing ruling the charts for the 5 years leading up to that point.

When it comes to Chappell, I like her but I don't really see the Gaga comparisons. I honestly don't think we'll ever see someone like her again, her rise and how ubiquitous she was is still crazy to think about, Taylor Swift is huge but I think her current success pales in comparison to Gaga in 2009/2010, just an otherworldly artist. You had to be there.

[avamaxstan]

Jun 29, 2024 23:31:30 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Taylor Swift is huge but I think her current success pales in comparison to Gaga in 2009/2010, just an otherworldly artist. You had to be there.

I was there and I’m sorry but this is delusional lol.

[kalmanta]

Jun 29, 2024 23:31:30 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Taylor Swift is huge but I think her current success pales in comparison to Gaga in 2009/2010, just an otherworldly artist. You had to be there.

Her concert film opened to over $90M at the boxoffice in freaking October, do you know how mind-numbingly successful you have to be to achieve this?

[jenglisbe]

I'm not even a Swift stan, and I can acknowledge someone saying her current success pales in comparison to Gaga at any point is ludicrous.

I also wonder what people are contending "Smells Like Teen Spirit" swept away apart from hair bands.