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Post by balletgirlmom on Jul 8, 2024 10:34:17 GMT -5
Artists from the past like Whitney and Michael had to just sell copies of their albums in stores the old-fashioned way. They sure did! Hard to compare those artists from a different era than today. I agree it was harder than though to "help" an album other than put the album on sale. Most fans bought one album and that was it. Either way the success of Michael and Whitney was amazing!
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Post by Mayman on Jul 8, 2024 10:50:01 GMT -5
Every day I see a new post from user theycallmedualian, another post that is just widely incorrect. Whitney's The Bodyguard was the best selling album worldwide in 1993, good for her and other artists involved in the bodyguard then. not bad but 1989 already sold 50M and released when pure sales is already dead 25 is not an arbitrary threshold. it was the record set by midnights, and obviously, the point of bring this metrics up is because it is unbeatable back then, cus there are fewer charts back then  Every day I see a new post from user theycallmedualian, another post that is just widely incorrect. 1989 has NOT sold 50 million copies nor has it when you factor in SEA. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Jul 8, 2024 11:06:49 GMT -5
Lmao this is why Whitney's record shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. Whitney didn't do any of this to stay #1. whitney's record shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath as taylor's. 11weeks straight >>>>>> 8 weeks. anyway, im still waiting for whitney to drop an album can go international year-end #1 or go #1 in 25+ countries. until then whitney shouldnt even be compared to taylor in any instances, theyre not in the same league. I'm still waiting for John Lennon to drop an album and do the same. Why hasn't that happened in 40 years? Interesting |
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Post by G-Reg on Jul 8, 2024 11:16:10 GMT -5
I know, I’m waiting for Beethoven to release a new symphony to streaming and finally bring Classical back to the Billboard charts.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 8, 2024 11:29:15 GMT -5
Artists from the past like Whitney and Michael had to just sell copies of their albums in stores the old-fashioned way. They sure did! Hard to compare those artists from a different era than today. I agree it was harder than though to "help" an album other than put the album on sale. Most fans bought one album and that was it. Either way the success of Michael and Whitney was amazing! It's definitively hard to compare pre-Soundscan era. However, from the 1970s-1990s big albums got a long-forgotten sales boost from record clubs - 11 CDs for a penny! Record clubs also disproportionately sold the most popular titles - those newspaper ads and flimsy catalogs could only include the most popular titles. So major names like Whitney, Michael, etc. definitely benefited. Of course, those sales didn't count on the charts and most were basically 'free', but they did for RIAA Certifications. It becomes more obvious when you look at post-Soundscan releases and see the scanned number v. the certification. I think read somewhere that Shania Twain's 'Come On Over' sold like 4MM via Club Sales. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Jul 8, 2024 11:53:20 GMT -5
There are probably people out there that proudly own all versions. If you are a big enough star to release dozens of versions and people still buy it, nothing fraudulent about it. $$$$ I agree that it's a stretch to call it fraudulent. Tacky or unseemly is a better description. She's pretty much the only artist with such a massive cult of followers who are willing to re-purchase endless variants and formats to help their leader achieve a chart milestone. But they're real customers and real sales, for the most part. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 8, 2024 12:57:47 GMT -5
lol I love how pressed Taylor’s success always makes you. It warms my heart <3 Lol no one’s pressed, we just can grasp that it’s apples and oranges to compare an album with one version in physical copies bought at stores spending months at #1 vs an album that has had 40+ versions strategically released for fans to mass buy to keep it at #1. But can we also acknowledge that it was wayyy easier to sell physical albums and secure weeks at #1 pre-iTunes, illegal downloading, and streaming. Whitney has a notable record, but if it was so easy to manipulate sales and weeks at #1 her record would have been long broken by now. Can we stop pretending that Taylor isn’t an anomaly and coming off of the biggest era/tour of her career? No one other than Taylor Swift (and Morgan Wallen) could pull this off to potentially break the record. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 8, 2024 14:13:33 GMT -5
25 is not an arbitrary threshold. it was the record set by midnights, and obviously, the point of bring this metrics up is because it is unbeatable back then, cus there are fewer charts back then but Adele's "25" debuted at #1 in 32 countries. |
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Post by jodakyellow on Jul 8, 2024 14:29:35 GMT -5
i never even heard anyone talking about a consecutive record until, like, last month. That part! |
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Post by fridayteenage on Jul 8, 2024 17:26:44 GMT -5
There are probably people out there that proudly own all versions. If you are a big enough star to release dozens of versions and people still buy it, nothing fraudulent about it. $$$$ I suppose they might exist I assume the vast majority are like me and own one copy |
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Post by jodakyellow on Jul 8, 2024 17:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by Push The Button on Jul 8, 2024 17:39:28 GMT -5
If Mariah Carey released 40 variants I would most definitely order all 40 copies. She’s the only one, though.
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 8, 2024 18:54:28 GMT -5
If Mariah Carey released 40 variants I would most definitely order all 40 copies. She’s the only one, though. that is why the whole 'variants' argument falls dead as a doornail - cus as long as people value 'em enough to buy 'em, then that album remains a valuable commodity AND a more valuable commodity than other albums that cant sell as much. therefore, the most straightforward conclusion regarding taylor's variants is that: her album is a more valuable commodity than any other artists. now go cry about that. Maymanthe original 1989 has sold 40M atp and the TV version has already sold 9-10M. source: HDD. anyhow, im sure 'the bodyguard' is probably still higher, but then again, it's not like that was solely her record, she didnt even sing 50% of the songs. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 8, 2024 20:13:15 GMT -5
If Mariah Carey released 40 variants I would most definitely order all 40 copies. She’s the only one, though. that is why the whole 'variants' argument falls dead as a doornail - cus as long as people value 'em enough to buy 'em, then that album remains a valuable commodity AND a more valuable commodity than other albums that cant sell as much. therefore, the most straightforward conclusion regarding taylor's variants is that: her album is a more valuable commodity than any other artists. now go cry about that. Mayman the original 1989 has sold 40M atp and the TV version has already sold 9-10M. source: HDD. anyhow, im sure 'the bodyguard' is probably still higher, but then again, it's not like that was solely her record, she didnt even sing 50% of the songs. I apologize. I didn't realize that we were combining the two, but that's absolutely a shock that it's at 40m. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 8, 2024 21:06:12 GMT -5
that is why the whole 'variants' argument falls dead as a doornail - cus as long as people value 'em enough to buy 'em, then that album remains a valuable commodity AND a more valuable commodity than other albums that cant sell as much. therefore, the most straightforward conclusion regarding taylor's variants is that: her album is a more valuable commodity than any other artists. now go cry about that. Mayman the original 1989 has sold 40M atp and the TV version has already sold 9-10M. source: HDD. anyhow, im sure 'the bodyguard' is probably still higher, but then again, it's not like that was solely her record, she didnt even sing 50% of the songs. I apologize. I didn't realize that we were combining the two, but that's absolutely a shock that it's at 40m. yea that was a shocker for me as well, and thats with pure sales already basically dead in the 2010s, and she did not allow her album to be on streaming iirc. if it had been released 10 years ealier itll probably have done even bigger numbers. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 8, 2024 21:15:13 GMT -5
yeah, 40M seems A LOT. Let's say 1989 is somewhere between 11-12M units in the US, and like 3.5M combined from Canada, Australia and the UK alone - one of her biggest non-US markets, that's around 15M from those four countries, and there's still 24-5M missing. In my opinion, 25M is more realistic, 30M max, especially because it doesn't have more than 15M pure sales WW.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 8, 2024 21:30:55 GMT -5
Wow I think she might tie Morgan!
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 8, 2024 22:37:05 GMT -5
yeah, 40M seems A LOT. Let's say 1989 is somewhere between 11-12M units in the US, and like 3.5M combined from Canada, Australia and the UK alone - one of her biggest non-US markets, that's around 15M from those four countries, and there's still 24-5M missing. In my opinion, 25M is more realistic, 30M max, especially because it doesn't have more than 15M pure sales WW. both HDD and chartmaster put the original at 40m. you dont have to do your own wild guesses. imagine just arbitrarily & randomly subtracting numbers from sources provided by organizations that do this stuff for a living, because you don't have all the information, LOL. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 8, 2024 23:20:22 GMT -5
Two new remixes of Fortnight are available now.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 9, 2024 0:42:08 GMT -5
Two new remixes of Fortnight are available now. Obsessed with the Cults Remix… is she hinting at a genre shift for TS12?! This vibe would absolutely kill! |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 9, 2024 0:43:44 GMT -5
Two new remixes of Fortnight are available now. Obsessed with the Cults Remix… is she hinting at a genre shift for TS12?! This vibe would absolutely kill! I think it's a little too much for that song in particular but I'd be here for something like this for TS12. That acoustic version is really good though. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 9, 2024 6:30:55 GMT -5
yeah, 40M seems A LOT. Let's say 1989 is somewhere between 11-12M units in the US, and like 3.5M combined from Canada, Australia and the UK alone - one of her biggest non-US markets, that's around 15M from those four countries, and there's still 24-5M missing. In my opinion, 25M is more realistic, 30M max, especially because it doesn't have more than 15M pure sales WW. both HDD and chartmaster put the original at 40m. you dont have to do your own wild guesses. imagine just arbitrarily & randomly subtracting numbers from sources provided by organizations that do this stuff for a living, because you don't have all the information, LOL. I was genuinely curious, because some things didn't match imo, I guess she's probably MUCH bigger in Asia than I thought. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 9, 2024 7:41:37 GMT -5
both HDD and chartmaster put the original at 40m. you dont have to do your own wild guesses. imagine just arbitrarily & randomly subtracting numbers from sources provided by organizations that do this stuff for a living, because you don't have all the information, LOL. I was genuinely curious, because some things didn't match imo, I guess she's probably MUCH bigger in Asia than I thought. Oh Taylor is most definitely huge in Asia. lol The 40 million figure is shocking, but I trust a trusted publication like HDD. I had no idea myself it was that huge WW. |
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Post by iHype. on Jul 9, 2024 10:13:46 GMT -5
yeah, 40M seems A LOT. Let's say 1989 is somewhere between 11-12M units in the US, and like 3.5M combined from Canada, Australia and the UK alone - one of her biggest non-US markets, that's around 15M from those four countries, and there's still 24-5M missing. In my opinion, 25M is more realistic, 30M max, especially because it doesn't have more than 15M pure sales WW. both HDD and chartmaster put the original at 40m. you dont have to do your own wild guesses. imagine just arbitrarily & randomly subtracting numbers from sources provided by organizations that do this stuff for a living, because you don't have all the information, LOL. Chartmasters actually combines the original with the TV. You can go on their site yourself and see they combine TVs for all her albums with the original recordings. They had 1989 at 28m right before 1989 TV dropped. They then added 1989 TV units in January which caused it to increase 7m. Again, you can see in the graph provided there is no TVs. They are all counted into the originals. It is hilarious you act so smug while being wrong consistently. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 9, 2024 11:11:47 GMT -5
both HDD and chartmaster put the original at 40m. you dont have to do your own wild guesses. imagine just arbitrarily & randomly subtracting numbers from sources provided by organizations that do this stuff for a living, because you don't have all the information, LOL. Chartmasters actually combines the original with the TV. You can go on their site yourself and see they combine TVs for all her albums with the original recordings. They had 1989 at 28m right before 1989 TV dropped. They then added 1989 TV units in January which caused it to increase 7m. Again, you can see in the graph provided there is no TVs. They are all counted into the originals. It is hilarious you act so smug while being wrong consistently. the only thing i'd be wrong about is including chartmaster in my comment. the fact that HDD stated plainly the original 1989 sold 40M and TV another 9M doesn't change; and HDD is obviously more reliable than CM. - and its not that chartmaster doesnt know that she sold this much. they simply chose to arbitrarily reduced the weight of her sales from Asia just cus the price of items are much lower there. well guess what? just cus an album in asia costs less than a US dollar or streaming service subscriptions cost less than a nickel doesnt alter the reality that an individual had made a physical purchase of the album, or it had received x amount of streams, therefore it should be counted as such. HDD knows not to be discriminating, their numbers are correct. it is also no surprise then, that ever since Spotify took off Asia in the few years & proper streaming figures can be tracked in there that her yearly SEAs sold also skyrocketed. so much so that she moved 50M units worldwide last year alone, which also backs HDD's figure. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 9, 2024 16:59:08 GMT -5
Wow hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=341845&title=TOP-20%253A-BATTER-UPTuesday, July 9, 2024 TOP 20: BATTER UPIn the words of Yankees’ Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Bera, "It ain’t over 'til it's over." And this week’s race for #1 may be far from over. At midweek, Warner’s Zach Bryan takes the lead with The Great American Bar Scene, while, after 11 consecutive weeks at #1, Taylor Swift’s THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT (Republic) may actually drop to the runner-up position. Swift’s total includes sales from the seven D2C variants that were briefly available on Sunday. While that doesn’t appear to be enough to lift TTPD over Bryan, could Swift have another digital offer on deck for later in the week? Don’t look for this matchup to be decided until the bottom of the ninth. Meanwhile, Opium/Interscope’s Ken Carson scores the only new entry this week, A Great Chaos, at #17.  |
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 9, 2024 17:09:07 GMT -5
Wow, I assumed with the signed albums it'd be game over, but maybe she didn't release as many as people thought.
It's too close for her to not do something, especially since she already did lol
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Post by Choco on Jul 9, 2024 17:46:56 GMT -5
I'm gonna be shocked if some sort of dumb version doesn't drop to close the gap; it's too close.
Good holds for Meg the Stallion and Charli. I'm guessing Beyoncé fell back down to earth without the physical preorder bump of last week.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 9, 2024 17:51:23 GMT -5
Camila's album would've been 6 places higher this week (36k), it's all about timing.
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Post by Choco on Jul 9, 2024 17:53:55 GMT -5
Camila's album would've been 6 places higher this week (36k), it's all about timing. Her entire rollout has been terribly planned and executed. Honestly good for her for actually moving more units than her previous album regardless. |
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