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Post by Push The Button on Jul 12, 2024 8:10:20 GMT -5
I don't see how it's irrelevant? The song is still top 5 on pop, #1 for going on 12 weeks. Yet other artists who released this year are already on their way out or approaching leaving the top 50 albums. It's a blockbuster album. Compared to other blockbusters, including Taylor's very own, this album just doesn't feel like a blockbuster TO ME. I don't want to start a debate with Taylor supporters or chart watchers, but it seems that this album is being carried by various chart tactics to keep it at the top (as already mentioned), and not actual ubiquitous hits, such as 21, 1989, Confessions, Midnights, etc. There haven’t been traditional hits released from the album but I have seen several songs that went viral on Tik Tok. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 12, 2024 8:29:56 GMT -5
TTPD is the fastest album to reach 1-4B streams & counting, fastest selling album worldwide & domestically this decade, longest #1 reigning album with all worldwide charts combined this decade (105 weeks at #1 so far), on track to become the bestselling album worldwide this decade.
So to sum it up, it’s gonna undoubtedly be 2020s biggest album. Some of You might need to tune down your hot takes a little.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 12, 2024 8:35:18 GMT -5
New digital album editions: - The Tortured Poets Department: Guilty As Sin? (Live) - The Tortured Poets Department: How Did It End? (Live) - The Tortured Poets Department: Peter (Live) So, to get these 3 tracks, do fans have to buy the album again 3 different times, or can the new tracks be bought as individual songs? It helps the overall streaming stats when a (successful) album has 30+ tracks. I'd like to see the average streams in the first 10 weeks for its tracks compared to, say, Olivia's debut album or even Billie's new album. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 12, 2024 8:43:22 GMT -5
As for its lack of hits, I remember I lamented about how the album
Didn’t have any short tracks, faster tempo tracks and radio friendly tracks the week it was released. A bunch of folks was rebuking me on that HARD, some even thought I had to be trolling..and now it’s proven to be the truest thing 😆 gotta love my visionary abilities
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 12, 2024 8:48:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure how they will count a physical Anthology version within certifications. I think it would just be considered deluxe edition and not count double. A little off topic but I always see people on Twitter thinking that a double LP vinyl set means it's a double album, meaning it'll count as a double album for certifications. That's just not true whatsoever, a double album is any album that is 100 minutes or more on it's standard release. I might be wrong on this but I think RIAA only counts units of physical releases toward double album certifications. For example, Donda clocks in at almost 2 hours, but would only be certified as a double album if it sold 250k (Gold status for double albums) physical units. Does that make sense? It's hard to explain. So hypothetically Fearless TV, Red TV, and Speak Now TV's physical editions should count double towards the album certification. Yeah, most albums are double vinyl but the vinyls usually pressed these days don't hold as many minutes of music (unless they go for lower quality) - I think it's always been about the length of the album. CDs typically hold 80 minutes or so so typically, a double album would cross 2 CDs anyway. Has there ever been indication that those earlier TVs from Taylor had their physicals count as double toward their certification? I forgot about those. Though I suppose it still wouldn't answer the question around TTPD because of the availability of it in half its form, but I suspect, like you, that it might be considered a deluxe edition situation rather than a double album. Either way, I hope that's not anything to do with the reason why the Anthology isn't available in physical form. I really want it lol |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 12, 2024 8:52:10 GMT -5
TTPD feels like the most irrelevant "blockbuster" hit album of all time. Outside of "fortnight," has there been any mega hit from this album to warrant these weeks at #1? Even "fortnight" ran out of steam pretty fast. Norah Jones' Come Away With Me was a blockbuster album that went diamond and was referenced nearly everywhere for the year it was released and I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could tell you title of any song from it other than the #30 Hot 100 hit "Don't Know Why". |
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Post by balletgirlmom on Jul 12, 2024 9:23:32 GMT -5
Even if Tylor drops out of the #1 slot, knowing her, she will go back to #1. It is what makes the charts fun.
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Post by 85la on Jul 12, 2024 9:40:23 GMT -5
I wonder how it would work as far aa certifications go. If she releases a physical of the Anthology, I assume there won’t be an issue of it counting toward the regular album as far as Billboard is concerned, since the digital version already has all 31 tracks. But what about the RIAA? A physical release of the Anthology would then be a double album, which counts as 2 units for certification purposes. I don’t know if the same applies to digital albums, plus where there are multiple variations of the album that has vastly different track listings and album lengths. I admit I haven’t kept up with how RIAA has treated albums since they’ve evolved so much in the streaming age. The only example I can think of where an album was available with somewhat vastly different tracklists across physical versions is The Fame/The Fame Monster, but I don’t remember reading about that being counted as a double album for the Monster version.
If you go to this section of the RIAA website, and you scroll down to where it says "MULTI-DISC SET," I think this is where it explains the double/multi album certification policy: www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/about-awards/.
Assumingly, it is for physical product only (though I'm not entirely sure), and the album must contain at least two discs (CD, vinyl, or its "tape and album equivalent"), AND, the minimum runtime must be at least 100 minutes.
Furthermore, in the section right above that, it states that "enhanced CDs" (which I'm assuming means all types of deluxe and expanded versions of albums) "must contain at least 75% of audio content from the original project." I don't think the anthology version of TTPD (31 tracks vs. 16 for the original) contains 75% of the original content, so by that logic it wouldn't count for a double certification.
As for The Fame/The Fame Monster situation, I remember clearly that the deluxe version of The Fame Monster (which included both the original Fame album and the Fame Monster EP) was counted along with certifications towards the original album. The Fame Monster EP, if sold alone, counted separately for its own certification. The deluxe version had 22 tracks total, while the original had 14, so I'm not sure if the deluxe had 75% of the original content, but those sets were released 15 years ago, so maybe that rule wasn't fully in place then.
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Post by seak05 on Jul 12, 2024 9:51:17 GMT -5
The strength of the ttpd is its 31 tracks, and the weakness of the ttpd is its 31 tracks. There isn’t one song that a majority of people gravitate to aka a hit, and if you talk to ten people you’ll get ten favorite songs, but as a body of work it’s overall strong.
It’s also significantly more Indy (especially the back half) and it wasn’t written to be easily digestible hooky pop 🤷♀️. Folklore btw is another example of this
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Post by musiclife on Jul 12, 2024 11:17:02 GMT -5
TTPD is the fastest album to reach 1-4B streams & counting, fastest selling album worldwide & domestically this decade, longest #1 reigning album with all worldwide charts combined this decade (105 weeks at #1 so far), on track to become the bestselling album worldwide this decade. So to sum it up, it’s gonna undoubtedly be 2020s biggest album. Some of You might need to tune down your hot takes a little. People can't help it I guess. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 12, 2024 11:25:57 GMT -5
So to sum it up, it’s gonna undoubtedly be 2020s biggest album. Some of You might need to tune down your hot takes a little. isn't it too early to claim that? |
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Post by Choco on Jul 12, 2024 12:08:11 GMT -5
Considering there's 6 more years, it doesn't seem like her team is interested in pushing it beyond countless mp3 download versions and Taylor is likely to take a break after this year... yeah. Honestly wouldn't be shocked it falls below Morgan Wallen in a few months. Especially if Taylor drops another TV.
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Post by Mayman on Jul 12, 2024 12:47:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure how they will count a physical Anthology version within certifications. I think it would just be considered deluxe edition and not count double. A little off topic but I always see people on Twitter thinking that a double LP vinyl set means it's a double album, meaning it'll count as a double album for certifications. That's just not true whatsoever, a double album is any album that is 100 minutes or more on its standard release. I might be wrong on this but I think RIAA only counts units of physical releases toward double album certifications. For example, Donda clocks in at almost 2 hours, but would only be certified as a double album if it sold 250k (Gold status for double albums) physical units. Does that make sense? It's hard to explain. So hypothetically Fearless TV, Red TV, and Speak Now TV's physical editions should count double towards the album certification. Yeah, most albums are double vinyl but the vinyls usually pressed these days don't hold as many minutes of music (unless they go for lower quality) - I think it's always been about the length of the album. CDs typically hold 80 minutes or so so typically, a double album would cross 2 CDs anyway. Has there ever been indication that those earlier TVs from Taylor had their physicals count as double toward their certification? I forgot about those. Though I suppose it still wouldn't answer the question around TTPD because of the availability of it in half its form, but I suspect, like you, that it might be considered a deluxe edition situation rather than a double album. Either way, I hope that's not anything to do with the reason why the Anthology isn't available in physical form. I really want it lol We don't know what any of the TVs are considered with the RIAA as far double albums go because Taylor hasn't certified most of her music in years beside a random certification here and there. I think if she did a proper update of her post-Reputation discography she'd automatically become the highest certified artist. There's so many TV songs and studio album tracks alone that are eligible for gold or higher. I'm not sure if she can certify stuff from her first six albums but if she did that would make it even higher. |
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Post by Push The Button on Jul 12, 2024 12:52:42 GMT -5
Considering there's 6 more years, it doesn't seem like her team is interested in pushing it beyond countless mp3 download versions and Taylor is likely to take a break after this year... yeah. Honestly wouldn't be shocked it falls below Morgan Wallen in a few months. Especially if Taylor drops another TV. It seems like she’s doing releases every other year. 2020: studio albums 2021: two TVs 2022: studio album 2023: two TVs 2024: studio album? |
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Post by fridayteenage on Jul 12, 2024 13:30:30 GMT -5
I dreamed a dream was number one year end, that didn't exactly have pop hits
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Post by awkwardowl on Jul 12, 2024 13:38:33 GMT -5
So to sum it up, it’s gonna undoubtedly be 2020s biggest album. Some of You might need to tune down your hot takes a little. isn't it too early to claim that? It isn't. I suppose that TTPD won't able to overtake UVST numbers worldwide. And I can't imagine it will challenge Dangerous longerivity domesticially. Also looks like she is fine to have huge total sales and it doesn't really matter which one sells better. |
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 12, 2024 13:47:37 GMT -5
So to sum it up, it’s gonna undoubtedly be 2020s biggest album. Some of You might need to tune down your hot takes a little. isn't it too early to claim that? not at all. midnights wouldve claimed that title from UVST in 2-3 years anyway, except TTPD after 3 months of release, is already at 1/3 of midnight's and 1/3.3 of UVST's total units. and once she took that spot, who else is possible gonna be able to unseat it besides herself? i mean, 1/3-1/4th of her units actually comes come sales. youd need to be the biggest streamer AND the biggest pure seller to do that. so yea. good luck with that. |
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 12, 2024 15:35:37 GMT -5
Chart is out and Taylor leads by almost 25k, but Zach is just below where Taylor was predicted earlier in the week (140k) which I guess explains the last minute push. hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 12, 2024 18:55:38 GMT -5
isn't it too early to claim that? not at all. midnights wouldve claimed that title from UVST in 2-3 years anyway, except TTPD after 3 months of release, is already at 1/3 of midnight's and 1/3.3 of UVST's total units. and once she took that spot, who else is possible gonna be able to unseat it besides herself?i mean, 1/3-1/4th of her units actually comes come sales. youd need to be the biggest streamer AND the biggest pure seller to do that. so yea. good luck with that. exactly? you're 100% sure TTPD will be THE album of the decade, but what if she tops it with her next album? |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 12, 2024 19:39:28 GMT -5
Okay Tay Tay, week #13 starts now. Let’s make Eminem stans haters 😎
If she could pull 160k without Anthology, she could easily do 300k with Anthology plus some variants….
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Post by Choco on Jul 12, 2024 20:27:07 GMT -5
Honestly if she blocks Eminem i'm fine with that lmaoo. But it's unlikely.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 12, 2024 20:39:56 GMT -5
Eminem's first week numbers:
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 13, 2024 1:49:56 GMT -5
Honestly if she blocks Eminem i'm fine with that lmaoo. But it's unlikely. Would be a huge flex tbh especially against a historically sexist, homophobic prick |
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Post by shayonce on Jul 13, 2024 3:38:21 GMT -5
New digital album editions: - The Tortured Poets Department: Guilty As Sin? (Live) - The Tortured Poets Department: How Did It End? (Live) - The Tortured Poets Department: Peter (Live) So, to get these 3 tracks, do fans have to buy the album again 3 different times, or can the new tracks be bought as individual songs? It helps the overall streaming stats when a (successful) album has 30+ tracks. I'd like to see the average streams in the first 10 weeks for its tracks compared to, say, Olivia's debut album or even Billie's new album. those songs are only available as part of album sales, not on itunes or steaming. so you have to buy all 3 albums to get that 1 day exclusive song.($4.99 each) |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 13, 2024 7:58:47 GMT -5
Unless she releases The Anthology on vinyl or something no way she blocks Eminem. lol
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Post by Positive Tension on Jul 13, 2024 9:13:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that's pretty unlikely since Eminem should debut strong. I'm sure Taylor will get that 13th week- it just won't be consecutive.
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Post by balletgirlmom on Jul 13, 2024 9:54:52 GMT -5
Yes, Eminem gets his deserved #1 and Taylor comes back in a week or two.
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Post by theycallmedualian on Jul 13, 2024 10:00:42 GMT -5
Looks like ~175K SEAs for Em, and physicals dont ship first week
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