Katy Perry - “Lifetimes”

[Enigma.]

Aug 30, 2024 7:56:25 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Aug 30, 2024 7:02:46 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Yep I'm the same, except I will not accept Dr. Luke at all - I've listened to these new songs once on Youtube and that's it. As soon as she is back with a decent non-Dr. Luke song, I'll check it out again.

You didn't stream Say So or Need To Know?

I am familiar with Doja Cat's catalogue yes, but at least she has moved on from the need to work with Dr. Luke unlike someone else. Scarlet is her best album anyway.

And I don't know why my listening habits are such a big deal. If a song sounds good I will probably listen to it several times. If Katy releases a mediocre song produced/written by anyone, I will not support it with my streams besides a listen or two. But working with Dr. Luke ENSURES that I will not support under these circumstances.

[Maximillian]

Aug 30, 2024 8:03:45 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Aug 30, 2024 7:02:46 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Yep I'm the same, except I will not accept Dr. Luke at all - I've listened to these new songs once on Youtube and that's it. As soon as she is back with a decent non-Dr. Luke song, I'll check it out again.

So you didn’t even allow the songs to potentially grow on you at all? Why make a million posts in all these Katy threads if you didn’t even give anything a chance?

There is a HUGE difference between not supporting a song because its bad, and not supporting a song because it doesn't align with your morality. I think so many people in this thread are failing to grasp that. For the record, I do not think anybody is bad for listening to KP / Dr Luke songs, but there are a lot of people who just don't want to give their streams (and $$$) to SUPPORT that either. It sends a message. So let's stop getting pissy with people in here who want to discuss a very relevant music situation but do not want to willingly stream the songs because of their own moral code.

Lets also not forget, KP also voluntarily signed up to work with Dr Luke, where Doja and Kim Petras had a contract to fulfill. I am willing to cut a little slack to them because their careers are on the line, whereas Katy had choices.

Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle here. I didn't want to listen to WW because its messaging / attachment to Luke crossed lines for me. However, I will listen to the album, cherry pick the songs I like, and move on when they are burnt out on me.

[collin]

Kim P has doubled down on working with Luke a handful of times now, btw.

[Maximillian]

Aug 30, 2024 9:24:12 GMT -5 collin said:

Kim P has doubled down on working with Luke a handful of times now, btw.

I haven't seen any "Luke" support from Kim P in years. Having said that, Kim P has taken a fair amount of heat from fans and community alike on her involvement with Luke. I think Kim has a bit more of a unique situation here:

1) It is rumored heavily she signed a 5-7 album deal with Luke (Republlic / Amigo Records -- Amigo is Luke's label), I know he has some type of publishing contract with her as well (she has stated many times he gets credit on songs he didn't help write), and she is likely dropping fast albums to get her deal finished (she's dropped 5 albums since 2022).

2) Being trans, I doubt she will be afforded the same opportunities as Doja Cat or others when their deals are finished. I am sure she isn't looking to bite the hand that feeds her. For an industry that paints itself as progressive, it really is not.

3) She appears to have had issues with the label / Luke as well -- she claimed her label was holding up 3 albums worth of music (which seems to be in line with stuff Luke has done to other artists in the past who do not play nice with him)

I think her hands are more tied than we realize. I am also HIGHLY speculating on some of this, so take it with a grain of salt. It's also worth saying, Doja fought to get Luke off some of her PH album, and has expressed she doesn't want to work with him again.

All this to say -- Katy again chose to work with him out of want, not need, and with a much higher level of privilege than a trans woman in the industry.

[Love Plastic Love]

Aug 30, 2024 11:24:39 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:24:12 GMT -5 collin said:

All this to say -- Katy again chose to work with him out of want, not need, and with a much higher level of privilege than a trans woman in the industry.

Yeah, there is just going to be a difference between a young, powerless in the industry new artist with a contract working with him versus someone like Katy Perry. I don't think she worked with him out of need or a contract or a lack of power to choose otherwise. She wanted to work with him, in her own words, because he was the right person to "tell her story"-that is one of the first things she said about this cd.
Which, to be honest, I still don't quite get. Some of the songs sound hot, but they are largely kind of faceless? Like, I don't get some big "story" emerging from the music or that The Story of Katy Perry is being revealed through the songs yet lol. But, nevertheless, she chose and wanted Dr. Luke and sought him out, which is just kind of weird to me, because she had so many options of producers. Nearly everyone in the industry probably would have been willing to take part in Katy's comeback cd.

[Az Paynter]

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[collin]

Aug 30, 2024 11:24:39 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:24:12 GMT -5 collin said:

Kim P has doubled down on working with Luke a handful of times now, btw.

I haven't seen any "Luke" support from Kim P in years. Having said that, Kim P has taken a fair amount of heat from fans and community alike on her involvement with Luke. I think Kim has a bit more of a unique situation here:

1) It is rumored heavily she signed a 5-7 album deal with Luke (Republlic / Amigo Records -- Amigo is Luke's label), I know he has some type of publishing contract with her as well (she has stated many times he gets credit on songs he didn't help write), and she is likely dropping fast albums to get her deal finished (she's dropped 5 albums since 2022).

2) Being trans, I doubt she will be afforded the same opportunities as Doja Cat or others when their deals are finished. I am sure she isn't looking to bite the hand that feeds her. For an industry that paints itself as progressive, it really is not.

3) She appears to have had issues with the label / Luke as well -- she claimed her label was holding up 3 albums worth of music (which seems to be in line with stuff Luke has done to other artists in the past who do not play nice with him)

I think her hands are more tied than we realize. I am also HIGHLY speculating on some of this, so take it with a grain of salt. It's also worth saying, Doja fought to get Luke off some of her PH album, and has expressed she doesn't want to work with him again.

All this to say -- Katy again chose to work with him out of want, not need, and with a much higher level of privilege than a trans woman in the industry.

I totally get that it seems like her hands are tied. She had a chance to walk away before she signed the Amigo deal and didn’t, so that’s why I feel this way. It’s very possible she was stapled in by some weird publishing deal. He’s known to do this type of thing, and to keep his artists hostage for years before letting them release things or not.

[arturo52311]

Lifetimes seems to be DOA on radio. While I think it would have still not been a success, it if was the lead, I believe it would have had a little more legs on radio and streaming than WW.

I was thinking about "what went wrong" and I think the second Gen Z started having a significant "say" in what was popular in music, that was the end to Katy's career as an A lister. During TD, Katy was "cool" to like. She didn't have die hard fans like Taylor or Gaga but no one would clown you for liking Katy because everyone liked her. As opposed to being made fun of for liking Taylor because of her dating history or liking Gaga because she was "weird".

Fast forward to Witness and she just exuded cringe millennial energy that was starting to be highly criticized by Gen Z and even some younger millennials. I think back to the weird dancing she was doing during the SNL "Bon Appetit" performance. She was giving weird drunk aunt vibes. All the sex appeal and "cool" factor she had through TD and the beginning of Prism had officially vanished.

[Maximillian]

Aug 31, 2024 17:20:41 GMT -5 arturo52311 said:

She was giving weird drunk aunt vibes

[SPRΞΞ]

i'm not even sure why the updates keep happening, as it hasn't been sent to radio at all. This is still just a promo single in my eyes, not a full-fledged 2nd single release.

[Az Paynter]

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[Az Paynter]

Seems to have maybe picked up a syndicated spin from somewhere, because this is on Spincrease with +106 spins and 73 reporting stations.

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[ObhiDonna]

What is she posting those rehearsal videos for? Are those for Lifetimes, or the VMA or the tour? I see no point in promoting Lifetimes anymore tbh.

[Az Paynter]

And then like half the stations fell off the mock-up lol.

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[Az Paynter]

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[balletgirlmom]

I wonder if this could get a push at AC?  Hope they do something to get more interest in her album. Sept 20 is coming fast!

[Az Paynter]

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[Choco]

People keep bringing up Kim Petras as an example of someone who gets no shade when in reality it's because no one likes her, Luke or no Luke.

[Love Plastic Love]

Sept 6, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep bringing up Kim Petras as an example of someone who gets no shade when in reality it's because no one likes her, Luke or no Luke.

My confusion is that she did get shade?? Like, am I making that up? I distinctly remember people criticizing her and then her having to defend herself at some point. Why is she being used as an example of someone who got no shade for working with Dr. Luke?

[shakemaki]

Sept 6, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep bringing up Kim Petras as an example of someone who gets no shade when in reality it's because no one likes her, Luke or no Luke.

It’s more that no one has the slightest clue who she is outside of the Queer community. Most everyone else would give you a blank stare if you mention her name. And she has gotten a little bit of a “get out of jail free” card within the comm for making commercial success strides as an openly trans artist. Otherwise the backlash would surely be worse.

[Az Paynter]

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[jdanton2]

this song is really good . it shows how unpopular Katy is that this is flopping.

[Ty]

Sept 6, 2024 12:24:17 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep bringing up Kim Petras as an example of someone who gets no shade when in reality it's because no one likes her, Luke or no Luke.

My confusion is that she did get shade?? Like, am I making that up? I distinctly remember people criticizing her and then her having to defend herself at some point. Why is she being used as an example of someone who got no shade for working with Dr. Luke?

She did and it was quite a thing when Slut Pop first dropped.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 6, 2024 12:24:17 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5 Choco said:

People keep bringing up Kim Petras as an example of someone who gets no shade when in reality it's because no one likes her, Luke or no Luke.

My confusion is that she did get shade?? Like, am I making that up? I distinctly remember people criticizing her and then her having to defend herself at some point. Why is she being used as an example of someone who got no shade for working with Dr. Luke?

Kim absolutely got backlash for working with Luke, people just have selective memory. Nevertheless it's a ridiculous comparison to make. Kim is a new transgender artist under contract. First off, I'm sure being trans she feels her options are limited to start with and she doesn't want to shake the table and lose what she has, add to that the fact she is literally under contract and is required to work with him legally regardless of her own opinions unless she wants to be sued for breach. It's not exactly an even comparison to a highly successful veteran act who isn't under contract, is well-established, isn't a minority, and chose to hire Luke on her own volition. Why anyone would act as if these two artists would or should be handled the same way is absurd to me and makes me question if they even understand the nuances of any given situation. lol

[Maximillian]

Let’s stop comparing the woman with a $330m-$500m net worth and OPTIONS to work with any producer in the world vs. the trans woman under contract who just wants to find success and is pioneering for an entire community that wants to be seen.

[Az Paynter]

Unless she has since cooled on him, I understand Kim to be an apologist and defender of Puke in the face of Kesha's sexual assault allegations so as far as I'm aware Kim's perfectly happy being associated with him - which I think makes her fair game for criticism in light of her willfully continuing to work with him, contracted or not.

[wavey.]

Sept 7, 2024 1:29:50 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Unless she has since cooled on him, I understand Kim to be an apologist and defender of Puke in the face of Kesha's sexual assault allegations so as far as I'm aware Kim's perfectly happy being associated with him - which I think makes her fair game for criticism in light of her willfully continuing to work with him, contracted or not.

Exactly. We can't pick and choose. Give everyone the same energy. Not just one purpose cause of stature.

[Dylan :)]

When did Kim sign with Luke? Was the whole Kesha thing known then? If so, then she's no different than anyone else who works with Luke, trans or cis

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 7, 2024 9:17:11 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Sept 7, 2024 1:29:50 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Unless she has since cooled on him, I understand Kim to be an apologist and defender of Puke in the face of Kesha's sexual assault allegations so as far as I'm aware Kim's perfectly happy being associated with him - which I think makes her fair game for criticism in light of her willfully continuing to work with him, contracted or not.

Exactly. We can't pick and choose. Give everyone the same energy. Not just one purpose cause of stature.

Yeah, but she was given the same energy. That's what seems to be continually and purposefully misunderstood no matter how many times it is said. Some of y'all clearly weren't in Kim's threads nor have seen the articles written about her in reference to Luke and just have this "people pick on poor ole Katy" mentality. lol

When it comes to anyone defending and working with an accused rapist they should be held accountable for those actions. In terms of Kim and Katy, they both deserved to be held accountable, but with that said, those were two completely different situations and anyone who can't see that I question if they can see the nuances of anything in life. Katy's involvement will always be much worse in my eyes because she wasn't under contract, was involved in the actual trial with Kesha and Luke, and could easily have chosen not to work with him without legal repercussions. Period.

[wavey.]

Respectfully, We're all allowed to feel a different perspective based on Katy's involvement in the case. I will leave it alone now.