Katy Perry - “Lifetimes”

[avamaxstan]

They're not going to randomly release the album earlier before the physicals ship, her first week sales without physicals included would be an even bigger disaster than it's already going to be.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I kinda hoped for a mini comeback from her, because everything was going in that direction, at least a top 20 hit or something, but now I don't care, just give us some new music.

[Suono]

Random but is she just promoting this entire album from Europe? Maybe if she actually was IN america it would help

[wjr15]

Aug 26, 2024 9:29:33 GMT -5 Suono said:

Random but is she just promoting this entire album from Europe? Maybe if she actually was IN america it would help

She just performed in West Hollywood over the weekend.

[NeRD]

I don't think the Luke backlash would be so severe if the music was good..

[Az Paynter]

Nah I think the backlash would be just as severe, but if the song had actually halfway-bopped radio might've actually carried it for a little while. Maybe into the upper teens before they finally caught on from the lack of streaming that it was a dud and dropped it before it could have a crack at top 10.

[143boy]

How are today’s streams looking like?

[143boy]

On a positive note, I’m excited for this new era, Lifetimes is a BANGER, I know they may go with ‘Gorgeous’ as the next single with Kim!

[arturo52311]

Aug 26, 2024 9:56:28 GMT -5 NeRD said:

I don't think the Luke backlash would be so severe if the music was good..

I have to agree. Doja's singles prior to Scarlet basically gave Luke another mini imperial era with songs dominating radio for several years. The GP is too dumb to understand the nuances of Doja and Katy's situations but whenever the GP did find out that Dr Luke was part of Doja's success they'd overlook it because the music was good.

[Choco]

The average listener doesn't know and doesn't care about the producer credits. The songs didn't connect on their own and then the producing credits just increased the backlash.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I think people are seriously underestimating the "woke" younger audience (who happen to be a big portion of Katy's target audience) and how far they would have steamrolled any song produced by Luke, especially with Katy who most are already hyper-critical of. People keep citing Doja and Latto as singers who "got away" with hit singles produced by Luke, using them as signifiers Katy could do the same, but they fail to take into consideration neither of them have the audience Katy has and how that makes all the difference. Your audience is who determines what you can and can't get away with in terms of mistakes and scandals. Also, people don't have to keep up with producers when media is looking for and spreading a story like wildfire to everyone regardless. I think Luke's involvement would have been disastrous for Katy either way. A better song might've held on for a little longer, but it never would've been the song that returned her to glory if produced by Luke.

[Az Paynter]

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 74 69 5 0.096

+2 Spins
-4 Bullet
+0.012 Audience

HOT AC:
49 49 KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 101 85 16 0.244

-2 Spins
-13 Bullet
= Audience

[avamaxstan]

Aug 26, 2024 16:26:52 GMT -5 Choco said:

The average listener doesn't know and doesn't care about the producer credits. The songs didn't connect on their own and then the producing credits just increased the backlash.

For a legacy female pop singer of Katy's age, the success of a single heavily depends on an activated and passionate fanbase. They generate the hype that a single needs to take off and even reach the average listener - generating online chatter, amplifying viral trends, organizing streaming parties, calling into radio stations, etc. The fanbase started out very activated to support this era... and then Woman's World/Dr. Luke was like a giant bucket of cold water, killed off the excitement and caused many to leave the fanbase entirely. 

[wjr15]

Lmao I have not seen one KatyCat straight up leave the fanbase because of WW/Dr Luke. There were definitely those who weren’t happy about it and it dampened their perception of her. Anyone who completely cut Katy out of their music are those who were already looking for a reason to not like her.

[avamaxstan]

Right, and all it takes to sink a comeback is "dampening" the fanbase that's needed to hype and evangelize the era.

[wjr15]

Aug 27, 2024 13:48:16 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Right, and all it takes to sink a comeback is "dampening" the fanbase that's needed to hype and evangelize the era.

I didn’t say anything about a comeback in my post. I was referencing the absurd claim of many fans (aka KatyCats) leaving the fanbase because of WW. The dramatics are eyeroll-inducing.

[Enigma.]

Does it mean that KatyCats are even more rare breed than we thought?

[wjr15]

Aug 27, 2024 14:21:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Does it mean that KatyCats are even more rare breed than we thought?

I’d say it’s a smaller fanbase than 2010-2014 numbers suggest. Just look at the numbers for Smile’s debut 4 years ago and compare it to the numbers for Future Nostalgia, Chromatica, or Plastic Hearts from the same year. All 3 sold more than Smile in its first week.

Edit:

First week sales in 2020:
Smile - 50k
Future Nostalgia - 66k
Chromatica - 274k
Plastic Hearts - 60k
Positions - 174k

[avamaxstan]

Katy's career is somewhat of a cautionary tale for future pop girls. Her core market was the general public and pop radio. Yes the fanbase was there, but it wasn't huge or fanatical compared to her peers.

During Katy's imperial era as the top pop girl, Charli xcx also had a brief run of mainstream success. Realizing that the moment would fade, Charli stopped catering to radio and the gp, instead evolving her sound and earning a niche, diehard fanbase that grew over years. Now a decade later, Charli's career is reaching new heights while Katy's has been on life support for years and is unable to even chart new singles. It's a valuable lesson: focus less on the momentary approval of the masses, and more on building a loyal community.

[Enigma.]

Aug 27, 2024 21:31:07 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

It's a valuable lesson: focus less on the momentary approval of the masses, and more on building a loyal community.

Agree! And you never know what will be your next hit but the regular quality must be there all the time. Katy and her team has truly dropped the ball (apart from song here and there) since 2017.

[spiritboy]

I love Katy but she has no musical depth or intelligence. She’s just a pretty pop singer who only sings what she’s been given and has no creative input in my opinion. Otherwise, her career would’ve been in a different state.

[Enigma.]

I wouldn't be that harsh - but these days she obviously cares about music only when it's time to release an album, which isn't a good start for continuous success.

[ObhiDonna]

Aug 28, 2024 1:10:15 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

I love Katy but she has no musical depth or intelligence. She’s just a pretty pop singer who only sings what she’s been given and has no creative input in my opinion. Otherwise, her career would’ve been in a different state.

I hate to admit this but it has been in the back of my mind about her musical contributions as an artist. I wouldn’t say she has nothing (especially Smile seemed to be the record where her musical stylings evolved into), but with the PR fed diatribe she’s been spilling regarding 143’s musicality, her own thought processes appears quite vapid.

[Az Paynter]

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 74 73 1 0.096

= Spins
-4 Bullet
= Audience

HOT AC:
50 49 KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 101 87 14 0.250

= Spins
-2 Bullet
+0.006 Audience

[Az Paynter]

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 71 77 -6 0.089

-3 Spins
-7 Bullet
-0.007 Audience

HOT AC:
50 50 KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 99 94 5 0.235

-2 Spins
-9 Bullet
-0.015 Audience

[Az Paynter]

Another station showed up on Leaders and there's three stations on Starters.

POP (MOCK-UP):
?? ?? KATY PERRY LIFETIMES 81 84 -3 0.096

+10 Spins
+3 Bullet
+0.007 Audience

HOT AC:
Pushed out of top 50.

[Maximillian]

Aug 27, 2024 14:21:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Does it mean that KatyCats are even more rare breed than we thought?

I wouldn’t call myself a KatyCat but I was a casual fanboy and hold a nostalgic place for KP. I think a lot of fans are like me. So it’s easy to tune in when it’s working, and easy for us to tune out when it’s bad. I imagine that’s why her success will falter - she needed better grace with her casual fans like me to tune into the project.

With that said, this song has burned on me very fast. Still a cute bop but won’t be something I return to much long term.

[Enigma.]

Yep I'm the same, except I will not accept Dr. Luke at all - I've listened to these new songs once on Youtube and that's it. As soon as she is back with a decent non-Dr. Luke song, I'll check it out again.

[NeRD]

Aug 30, 2024 7:02:46 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Yep I'm the same, except I will not accept Dr. Luke at all - I've listened to these new songs once on Youtube and that's it. As soon as she is back with a decent non-Dr. Luke song, I'll check it out again.

You didn't stream Say So or Need To Know?

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 30, 2024 7:02:46 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Yep I'm the same, except I will not accept Dr. Luke at all - I've listened to these new songs once on Youtube and that's it. As soon as she is back with a decent non-Dr. Luke song, I'll check it out again.

So you didn’t even allow the songs to potentially grow on you at all? Why make a million posts in all these Katy threads if you didn’t even give anything a chance?