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Post by 85la on Aug 26, 2024 18:36:21 GMT -5
not really myself these days, I was thinking of something different and completely missed the point - my point was the fact that album chart is now more kinder to singles artists, than 15 years ago. Yes, Sabrina's debut is more impressive, definitely, I just wish there's a universe where I could see the TD debut numbers in SPS era with California Gurls, Teenage Dream and Firework smashing (almost) at the same time, just like Sabrina's trio of hits.
Firework actually didn't chart until October and reached the top 10 in November (the album was released August 24th), however the title track was in the top 10 for a few weeks before the album release, so she was definitely going on two solid hits, in addition to the clout she had built from her last album, so Teenage Dream's opening was definitely much lower than expected (I think I read somewhere that at the time, not just fan but industry predictions were having it open as high as like 700-800k!). Yes, if SPS and streaming existed on a larger scale then and counted for the charts, it probably would've opened higher than 192k though.
Let's also keep in mind that Sabrina's opening is so far just a one week thing and mainly a result of the two big hits she's had recently (we can't count Taste yet because it just came out with the album and its longevity remains to be seen), and the overall longevity of the album still remains to be seen, so we absolutely can't say yet that she has a bigger fanbase or following than Katy.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 26, 2024 18:55:50 GMT -5
not really myself these days, I was thinking of something different and completely missed the point - my point was the fact that album chart is now more kinder to singles artists, than 15 years ago. Yes, Sabrina's debut is more impressive, definitely, I just wish there's a universe where I could see the TD debut numbers in SPS era with California Gurls, Teenage Dream and Firework smashing (almost) at the same time, just like Sabrina's trio of hits.
Firework actually didn't chart until October and reached the top 10 in November (the album was released August 24th), however the title track was in the top 10 for a few weeks before the album release, so she was definitely going on two solid hits, in addition to the clout she had built from her last album, so Teenage Dream's opening was definitely much lower than expected (I think I read somewhere that at the time, not just fan but industry predictions were having it open as high as like 700-800k!). Yes, if SPS and streaming existed on a larger scale then and counted for the charts, it probably would've opened higher than 192k though.
Let's also keep in mind that Sabrina's opening is so far just a one week thing and mainly a result of the two big hits she's had recently (we can't count Taste yet because it just came out with the album and its longevity remains to be seen), and the overall longevity of the album still remains to be seen, so we absolutely can't say yet that she has a bigger fanbase or following than Katy.
I know, I meant if Katy also scored 3 big hits in the 3-4months period (2 before the album and one on the album release week) just like Sabrina now, because it was sooo rare for one artist to have 3 lead songs in the top 10 at the same time (I mean even two was huge) before the SPS era. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 26, 2024 18:59:48 GMT -5
Industry estimates were originally hovering around the mili mark for Teenage Dream pre-release (which was absurd), but I suppose her label was thinking due to her first album's success she was going to transition into more of an album artist. Personally, the performance of Teenage Dream (the album) always confounded me a bit. It had like a row of 6 #1 singles, a re-release, and yet still sold just under 3 million copies domestically, which tells me people weren't checking for the album so much as they were for the singles (which also shows in all the diamond single certs). Of course retroactively they padded the album with an updated SPS Diamond cert, but when compared to other albums with a line of hugely successful singles (1989, 21, Breakaway, Emancipation etc) that went into sell more than double and even triple what Teenage Dream did its performance was always slightly underwhelming to me. Just shows the huge distinction between selling singles and selling albums.
I'd say if these numbers hold up and her sales stay steady, Sabrina could move albums just as well as she does singles! It's crazy how this has an explosive debut-like feel when she's so far into her career. Can't wait to see it all play out for her! I wonder what Olivia is thinking about all this. lol
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 26, 2024 19:55:30 GMT -5
not really myself these days, I was thinking of something different and completely missed the point - my point was the fact that album chart is now more kinder to singles artists, than 15 years ago. Yes, Sabrina's debut is more impressive, definitely, I just wish there's a universe where I could see the TD debut numbers in SPS era with California Gurls, Teenage Dream and Firework smashing (almost) at the same time, just like Sabrina's trio of hits.
Let's also keep in mind that Sabrina's opening is so far just a one week thing and mainly a result of the two big hits she's had recently (we can't count Taste yet because it just came out with the album and its longevity remains to be seen), and the overall longevity of the album still remains to be seen, so we absolutely can't say yet that she has a bigger fanbase or following than Katy.
Every track is charting top 30 on streaming, with Taste at #1 posting huge numbers. How did you reach the conclusion that the album is mainly opening well from Espresso and PPP? Lol |
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Post by mccloud on Aug 26, 2024 21:19:24 GMT -5
Industry estimates were originally hovering around the mili mark for Teenage Dream pre-release (which was absurd), but I suppose her label was thinking due to her first album's success she was going to transition into more of an album artist. Personally, the performance of Teenage Dream (the album) always confounded me a bit. It had like a row of 6 #1 singles, a re-release, and yet still sold just under 3 million copies domestically, which tells me people weren't checking for the album so much as they were for the singles (which also shows in all the diamond single certs). Of course retroactively they padded the album with an updated SPS Diamond cert, but when compared to other albums with a line of hugely successful singles (1989, 21, Breakaway, Emancipation etc) that went into sell more than double and even triple what Teenage Dream did its performance was always slightly underwhelming to me. Just shows the huge distinction between selling singles and selling albums. I'd say if these numbers hold up and her sales stay steady, Sabrina could move albums just as well as she does singles! It's crazy how this has an explosive debut-like feel when she's so far into her career. Can't wait to see it all play out for her! I wonder what Olivia is thinking about all this. lol No one really knows she's this far into her career. The first song most of the people first heard from her streaming this album is probably Nonsense or even Feather. She's also barely 25 And as far as Olivia....lol. I doubt she's happy that the girl she hates has more hits than her the past year and is potentially having a bigger debut week |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 26, 2024 21:54:39 GMT -5
Hates? Why so dramatic?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 26, 2024 22:09:23 GMT -5
^It appears to have been a rumor. They even took a picture together in the 2022 Met Gala by Vogue. I would think they buried the hatchet.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 26, 2024 22:47:46 GMT -5
Why would Olivia be...anything? She came out the gate with a huge debut, with a huge sophomore to follow..
But yeah, this is great Sabrina is breaking out. Right on time.
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Post by musiclife on Aug 27, 2024 0:18:18 GMT -5
I'm very eager for her final number. She must be so happy. ❤️
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 27, 2024 7:49:33 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 27, 2024 8:08:21 GMT -5
WAIT Olivia hates Sabrina? This is the tea I need.
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Post by 85la on Aug 27, 2024 8:29:57 GMT -5
Let's also keep in mind that Sabrina's opening is so far just a one week thing and mainly a result of the two big hits she's had recently (we can't count Taste yet because it just came out with the album and its longevity remains to be seen), and the overall longevity of the album still remains to be seen, so we absolutely can't say yet that she has a bigger fanbase or following than Katy.
Every track is charting top 30 on streaming, with Taste at #1 posting huge numbers. How did you reach the conclusion that the album is mainly opening well from Espresso and PPP? Lol I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. |
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Post by PerPlexied on Aug 27, 2024 8:38:56 GMT -5
Every track is charting top 30 on streaming, with Taste at #1 posting huge numbers. How did you reach the conclusion that the album is mainly opening well from Espresso and PPP? Lol I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. That's... the point of hit singles? |
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Post by clsvltn on Aug 27, 2024 8:48:07 GMT -5
I don't get why everyone wants to act like every pop girl hates every one if they see success. Lol there is room for multiple artists to be successful. Just like said fans of respective artists can chill
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 27, 2024 8:52:56 GMT -5
Every track is charting top 30 on streaming, with Taste at #1 posting huge numbers. How did you reach the conclusion that the album is mainly opening well from Espresso and PPP? Lol I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. So your point is that her album is only selling well because she has multiple giant smash hits that won over the public and made her a major popstar? Okay? ☠️ |
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Post by stormlover74 on Aug 27, 2024 8:59:51 GMT -5
I wonder how her tour will do. She's playing some big venues. Would love to see her take Chappell on tour with her
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 27, 2024 9:27:25 GMT -5
I wonder how her tour will do. She's playing some big venues. Would love to see her take Chappell on tour with her Pretty much sold out across the board outside of resale. She needs to strike while the iron is hot and add another US leg. |
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Post by Taylor. on Aug 27, 2024 9:34:44 GMT -5
Her Toronto show is minimum $300 on resale rn, she could easily add more shows in almost every city (she already is doing 3 in LA and 2 in NYC).
I also don't think Chappell is going to be opening for anyone again, she could easily do arenas on her own now too.
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 27, 2024 11:28:35 GMT -5
I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. So your point is that her album is only selling well because she has multiple giant smash hits that won over the public and made her a major popstar? Okay? ☠️ She's only succeeding because she's succeeding; if she flopped she would be flopping so we should downplay based on that alternate timeline |
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Post by 85la on Aug 27, 2024 12:39:34 GMT -5
I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. That's... the point of hit singles? Uh...Yes?? I wasn't disputing that. Avamaxstan was insinuating otherwise. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 27, 2024 12:50:31 GMT -5
I meant that PPP and Espresso right now might not be contributing to a majority of its SPS opening-week total, but the success of those two DEFINITELY spiked interest in her and caused people to check out the rest of the album. If PPP and Espresso didn't exist, or weren't doing nearly as well, there's no way the rest of the album would be as well. So your point is that her album is only selling well because she has multiple giant smash hits that won over the public and made her a major popstar? Okay? ☠️ So your point is that her album is only selling well because she has multiple giant smash hits that won over the public and made her a major popstar? Okay? ☠️ She's only succeeding because she's succeeding; if she flopped she would be flopping so we should downplay based on that alternate timeline I'm not sure why people are making such a big deal of this. I brought up a very logical and fairly indisputable point, which Avamaxstan responded to and seemed to have a problem with, saying it was inaccurate, so I am just counter-arguing, clarifying my point. Sabrina has been recording and releasing singles and albums for 10 years, with nowhere near the success as of now. Thus, the sudden explosion of this album must be due to the notoriety of the recent success of PPP and Espresso (whether or not those two particular songs contribute to the majority of the album's SPS this particular week). To think of it another way, would this album have opened as well without PPP and Espresso? No way, but for some reason that was what Avamaxstan seemed to imply. It spurned on people to stream and buy the other tracks on the album and purchase the album as a whole, but, so far, that success is only confined to this opening week. The overall longevity of the album and success of future singles remains to be seen. How is this inaccurate? I am also a fan of hers and am happy with her success so far, and hope she continues to do well!
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Post by avamaxstan on Aug 27, 2024 13:03:05 GMT -5
So your point is that her album is only selling well because she has multiple giant smash hits that won over the public and made her a major popstar? Okay? ☠️ She's only succeeding because she's succeeding; if she flopped she would be flopping so we should downplay based on that alternate timeline I'm not sure why people are making such a big deal of this. I brought up a very logical and fairly indisputable point, which Avamaxstan responded to and seemed to have a problem with, saying it was inaccurate, so I am just counter-arguing, clarifying my point. Sabrina has been recording and releasing singles and albums for 10 years, with nowhere near the success as of now. Thus, the sudden explosion of this album must be due to the notoriety of the recent success of PPP and Espresso (whether or not those two particular songs contribute to the majority of the album's SPS this particular week). To think of it another way, would this album have opened as well without PPP and Espresso? No way, but for some reason that was what Avamaxstan seemed to imply. It spurned on people to stream and buy the other tracks on the album and purchase the album as a whole, but, so far, that success is only confined to this opening week. The overall longevity of the album and success of future singles remains to be seen. How is this inaccurate? I am also a fan of hers and am happy with her success so far, and hope she continues to do well!
Wrong again, the third single is challenging to debut #1 Hot 100. She is also on a sold-out arena tour that is adding dates due to demand. It's unclear to us what point you are trying to make, beyond "the future can't be predicted and the success could end" which obviously is a universal reality for any artist. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 27, 2024 13:59:38 GMT -5
Could her next album flop? Sure, but that doesn't diminish that this album is a huge success.
Like how witness doesn't erase teenage dream, optimism doesn't erase future nostalgia.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 27, 2024 15:41:36 GMT -5
Tuesday, August 27, 2024
Island's Sabrina Carpenter gets the nod for #1 at midweek with projected first-week activity of more than 300k. The 12-track Short N' Sweet is expected to collect 200m+ streams, with pure album sales now expected to hit 150k. It's a particularly good week to be Carpenter; her previous album, 2023's emails i can't send, is on pace to hit 1m in ATD in the same week that Sweet debuts.
We say Carpenter gets "the nod" for #1 because of the 10th anniversary release of Travis Scott's 2014 mixtape, Days Before Rodeo (Cactus Jack/Epic). Scott, known for rocking massive D2C sales, could play the part of spoiler if those final numbers come in stronger than projected.
Broken Bow's Lainey Wilson will debut in the Top 10, while Valory/BMLG's Thomas Rhett is Top 20-bound.
In political news, RFK Jr.'s decapitated-whale frolic has almost completely eclipsed his bear-corpse prank. Statesmanlike, no?
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Post by Mayman on Aug 27, 2024 15:58:23 GMT -5
Something isn't right with Travis' figures because my vinyl says it's shipping 2-3 weeks after the release of the album. It said that on his site for the box sets as well. The only thing shipping on his site soon is the CDs which says 1 week. Other than that, I can see his sales being so high from is the deluxe digital version which has I think 4 or 5 bonus tracks that aren't on streaming. Did he really sell over 100,000 of those? I can't imagine that.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 27, 2024 16:02:49 GMT -5
WAIT Olivia hates Sabrina? This is the tea I need. Olivia's drivers license is allegedly about her ex boyfriend (actor and singer) Joshua Bassett and Sabrina, and people believe Sabrina responded with her song Skin. it's really old news, but fans still like to compare them lol. Now there's a new love triangle between Sabrina, Camila and Shawn, which is much more current and fresh. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 27, 2024 16:46:44 GMT -5
That proportion for Travis feels very kpop
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 27, 2024 16:52:48 GMT -5
^I'm not sure that streaming equivalent albums for it will be around 27k if it is currently #3 at Apple Music. I'm aware it won't be doing much at Spotify. Regarding pure sales, Travis is definitely the master in the hip hop world where it comes to that, but I agree the ratios between those and from streaming feel off ...
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 27, 2024 16:56:07 GMT -5
Given Olivia now resents the narrative that was painted of Sabrina back then, did she ever publicly speak out against her fans and people sending her death threats and bullying her online while it was happening on her behalf? Just curious as I never knew they mended things.
Incredible numbers for Sabrina btw!
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Post by 85la on Aug 27, 2024 16:58:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people are making such a big deal of this. I brought up a very logical and fairly indisputable point, which Avamaxstan responded to and seemed to have a problem with, saying it was inaccurate, so I am just counter-arguing, clarifying my point. Sabrina has been recording and releasing singles and albums for 10 years, with nowhere near the success as of now. Thus, the sudden explosion of this album must be due to the notoriety of the recent success of PPP and Espresso (whether or not those two particular songs contribute to the majority of the album's SPS this particular week). To think of it another way, would this album have opened as well without PPP and Espresso? No way, but for some reason that was what Avamaxstan seemed to imply. It spurned on people to stream and buy the other tracks on the album and purchase the album as a whole, but, so far, that success is only confined to this opening week. The overall longevity of the album and success of future singles remains to be seen. How is this inaccurate? I am also a fan of hers and am happy with her success so far, and hope she continues to do well!
Wrong again, the third single is challenging to debut #1 Hot 100. She is also on a sold-out arena tour that is adding dates due to demand. It's unclear to us what point you are trying to make, beyond "the future can't be predicted and the success could end" which obviously is a universal reality for any artist.
I'll clarify what I said by restating that when I mentioned the word future, I mean the future success of current singles (which includes Taste), as well as the success of future singles from the album not yet sent to radio. Taste is challenging to debut at #1 yes, but that is this week, that is now, not the future, so its success so far is confined to a very limited period. Many singles debut or reach #1 for one week with big numbers, as many albums do, but go on to drop very quickly.
I don’t know why you won’t let this go. For some reason you’re really trying, really twisting my words to make it seem like somehow I’m majorly "dissing" Sabrina or something, but that’s not my intention at all. I admitted to liking her and hope she does well, and a sold out arena tour does bode well. But just because I said one little thing that could be construed as a completely negative appraisal of her (that was following another main point I made about how Katy Perry is someone who really has lower-than-expected opening sales) for some reason that’s unacceptable for people, because everything I say isn’t gushing that means I’m not wholeheartedly on the Sabrina love train this week?
What I am arguing about is in response to you and some other people who seemed to say Sabrina has and will always have a well-established fanbase compared to some other female artists, genuinely spurred on by much interest in multiple tracks other than Espresso and PPP. That is all, I don't care about it much further, so this is the last I'll say about this.
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