Artists that may become "One Hit Wonders"

[Love Plastic Love]

Dorr185 said:

Well, you point of it being a novelity song was kind off-key from my comments as well. I wasn't comparing the quality of the songs Alicia or Ashanti made to the quality of Ciara's song.

I simply stated all three had similar chart runs. Besides, whether a song is "novelity" or not is strictly a matter of opinion. I thought "Foolish" screamed novelity. And where you draw the conclusion that because you believe the song is a "novelity" and her inability to follow it up because of that fact is kinda silly.

But let's run with that idea. "My Name Is" was a novelity song, and we see what it did for Eminem. Maybe Ciara will experience that kind of success, as opposed to  Tweet and Kelis?

So you DONT think Goodies sounds like a novelty song? It SCREAMS it to me. Thats what makes me concerned for her long term success as an artist.
Eminem-honestly-stunned me when he got not only a hit album after that but blew up to become one of the largest artists ever. Things like that happen to one in a million people. Do you think that Ciara is that one in a million that will overcome a novelty first single?
Perhaps she is. I just do not think its the concrete fact that you are making it out to be. And we all know a huge song does NOT equate with automatic sales and automatic celebrity status.

[irice22]

jimmy74747 said:

Houston - I Like That
Finger Eleven - One Thing
Nina Sky - Move That Body
Kevin Lyttle - Turn Me On

I'll agree on the above four.

[irice22]

Ragin said:

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Vanessa Carlton (yeah, I know, but she'll be remembered that way, trust me)

"Ordinary Day"?

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irice22 said:

"Ordinary Day"?

Half this board refuses to call that song a hit.

[irice22]

The said:

Half this board refuses to call that song a hit.

... why?

[Love Plastic Love]

The said:

Half this board refuses to call that song a hit.

Didnt it go top 10, get a lot of video play and do fairly well on Hot Ac?

Wait now that I think about it I dont think it did well on Hot Ac.

It kind of sucks for artists that have a HUGE hit because every other song is automatically a failure if it doesnt match it.
I know people who swear that Harder To Breathe was basically a flop even though it went top 10 on two formats (and top 5 at least on one) just because This LOve was so big.

[irice22]

Poetry said:

Wait now that I think about it I dont think it did well on Hot Ac.

It didn't go for adds on Hot AC.

I don't get it though. It hit #9 and stayed in the Top 40 for twenty weeks.

[Evergreen]

The true Billboard definition of a one-hit wonder is someone who only has one song to enter the Hot 100. So, according to Billboard, even if you have two songs that both peak at 100, you aren't a one hit wonder, according to Billboard. Fred Bronson wrote that.

Of course that's stupid, but I just thought I would throw it out thre.

[Ragin]

irice22 said:

"Ordinary Day"?

Yeah, I know, but it seems like about everyone I know doesn't remember this song at all. I don't get it. They have no clue what I'm talking about it. They remember her very small bit on the Counting Crows remake better than Ordinary Day.

[irice22]

Ragin said:

Yeah, I know, but it seems like about everyone I know doesn't remember this song at all.  I don't get it.  They have no clue what I'm talking about it.  They remember her very small bit on the Counting Crows remake better than Ordinary Day.

I see what your saying, but that's people you know. It can't be based off that. It got a good amount of video play, peaked in the Top 10, got a lot of requests, and had longevity.

[Bob]

LMAO at comparing Ciara to Alicia Keys, even indirectly!

[mst3k]

Dorr185 said:

Of course that's stupid, but I just thought I would throw it out thre.

Maybe so, but it's no more stupid than any other definition. Certainly better than VH1's!

[j]

Dorr185 said:

I simply stated all three had similar chart runs.

As in... a quick rise to #1? Because so far that's all Ciara has.

Besides, it wasn't clear at all from your initial post that you were referring to chart runs. Your initial post was referring to The Max's post, which could also have simply meant that Ciara will be a one-hit wonder like Tweet and nothing to do with the hugeness of their one hits.

Poetry said:

It kind of sucks for artists that have a HUGE hit because every other song is automatically a failure if it doesnt match it.

While it's true what you said, I don't think it sucks at all. I much prefer to have one huge hit that everyone will remember for years than several mediocre Top 10s that no one remembers.

Dorr185 said:

I think that's impossible seeing that she's already surpassed anything Tweet as ever done.

Donna Lewis...

Dorr185 said:

Oh, and just because her hit was REALLY big doesn't mean she WON'T have more, sorry Bob!

It also doesn't mean she WILL have any more!

O/T but weren't you the one who also predicted that Tilt Ya Head Back would deny "Car Wash" #1? (Well, I guess that's true; "Tilt" and 100 other songs did deny "Car Wash" #1.)

Poetry said:

I know people who swear that Harder To Breathe was basically a flop even though it went top 10 on two formats (and top 5 at least on one) just because This LOve was so big.

Maybe they just forgot about its chart success.

[Love Plastic Love]

j said:

While it's true what you said, I don't think it sucks at all. I much prefer to have one huge hit that everyone will remember for years than several mediocre Top 10s that no one remembers.

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You dont think it would suck to have like, 6 top 5 songs but be known as a one hit wonder who has only had one song?


(I do not think of Maroon5 that way though-to me, Harder to Breathe was a hit-not a massive unbelievable hit but a solid hit. This Love is obviously a monster. She Will Be Loved is a huge hit to me as well.)

[Ragin]

irice22 said:

I see what your saying, but that's people you know. It can't be based off that. It got a good amount of video play, peaked in the Top 10, got a lot of requests, and had longevity.

The people I know that I'm hearing that from are far more representative of the general population than anyone on here. I was responding to this topic in the vein of the One Hit Wonders being in quotes, as in that's what people think of them whether it's true or not, and I stand by Vanessa Carlton as someone that history will remember as a one hit wonder. The Knack wasn't a one hit wonder either, but history certainly remembers them that way.

[krazymack]

irice22 said:

It didn't go for adds on Hot AC.

I don't get it though. It hit #9 and stayed in the Top 40 for twenty weeks.

I never knew the "Pulse Music Board" determined what would be a hit or not as that moderator implied to you.  ???

I know that in the real world and according to FACTUAL chart data, "Ordinary Day" was a CHR top 10 hit like you mentioned.  Therefore making Vanessa Carlton NOT a one hit wonder.  So it is quite fine for folks to have a perception.  But the joy about it, none of it is actually factual. 

[Ragin]

krazymack said:

I never knew the "Pulse Music Board" determined what would be a hit or not as that moderator implied to you.  ???

I know that in the real world and according to FACTUAL chart data, "Ordinary Day" was a CHR top 10 hit like you mentioned.  Therefore making Vanessa Carlton NOT a one hit wonder.

As I mentioned in the post previous to this the title had One Hit Wonders in quotes, meaning to me, how the artist will be viewed. MOST accepted one hit wonders are not really one hit wonders, but are still viewed that way. A Thousand Miles was still far and away a bigger hit than Ordinary Day, and will be better remembered. Over time, that will push Vanessa Carlton into the one hit wonder category unless she can come up with another big hit.

[Evergreen]

j said:

As in... a quick rise to #1? Because so far that's all Ciara has.

Besides, it wasn't clear at all from your initial post that you were referring to chart runs. Your initial post was referring to The Max's post, which could also have simply meant that Ciara will be a one-hit wonder like Tweet and nothing to do with the hugeness of their one hits.


While it's true what you said, I don't think it sucks at all. I much prefer to have one huge hit that everyone will remember for years than several mediocre Top 10s that no one remembers.


Donna Lewis...


It also doesn't mean she WILL have any more!

O/T but weren't you the one who also predicted that Tilt Ya Head Back would deny "Car Wash" #1? (Well, I guess that's true; "Tilt" and 100 other songs did deny "Car Wash" #1.)


Maybe they just forgot about its chart success.

The Christina thing is off topic, but I'll address that first. That was the Christina fanboy in me talking. I was just exciting Christina was back. It wasn't a logical prediction, and it wasn't one I thought would come true.

About "Goodies", "Fallin", and "Foolish". It's clear did you didn't read my initial post. It's really clear I was talking about chart runs. I never mentioned any artists in that post, just songs. I specifically said "Goodies" IS DOING THE SAME THING "Fallin" and "Foolish" did when they were released. And it is following the exact same pattern. It was all about the chart run.

The Donna Lewis thing is stupid and makes no sense. Again, it's probably because you are taking my post out of context. I was saying Ciara is already my successful than Tweet, and all you say is Donna Lewis. How in the world is that supposed to make any sense?

When I said "Oh, and just because her hit was REALLY big doesn't mean she WON'T have more, sorry Bob!" I was saying it because Bob said "Just because her hit was REALLY big does not mean she'll have more, sorry Dorr!" So yet another point of your post proved to be silly, useless, and pointless because the exact thing you said had already been covered. Again, because you took my post out of context. Next time, read the whole thread and get a clear I idea about what you are talking about before you respond to one random reply. Thanks.

[krazymack]

Ragin said:

As I mentioned in the post previous to this the title had One Hit Wonders in quotes, meaning to me, how the artist will be viewed.  MOST accepted one hit wonders are not really one hit wonders, but are still viewed that way.  A Thousand Miles was still far and away a bigger hit than Ordinary Day, and will be better remembered.  Over time, that will push Vanessa Carlton into the one hit wonder category unless she can come up with another big hit.

Okay, I totally understand your explanation.  But it is quite hard for me to categorize Vanessa as a one hit wonder especially if it never really happened.  I always group Vanessa with other leading ladies like Avril and Michelle Branch which had hits at radio when both "A Thousand Miles" and "Ordinary Day" was out.  I personally don't perceive her as being more of a "one hit wonder" type at all. 

[j]

Dorr185 said:

About "Goodies", "Fallin", and "Foolish". It's clear did you didn't read my initial post. It's really clear I was talking about chart runs. I specifically said "Goodies" IS DOING THE SAME THING "Fallin" and "Foolish" did when they were released. And it is following the exact same pattern. It was all about the chart run.

1. "Doing the same thing" could mean any number of things, which is what makes it unclear.

2. And by "thing" you mean quick rise to #1? So many songs have a quick rise to #1 that it's not worth mentioning, which makes it extremely unclear that that was what you were referring to because we all assume that you wouldn't be pointing out the obvious.

3. Thinking further, if it was so clear, then why were so many people above laughing at the post and disagreeing with it?

4. Lastly, I question the claim that the songs have similar chart runs. "Fallin'" jumped 7-1 and returned to #1 several weeks after being toppled.

Dorr185 said:

I never mentioned any artists in that post, just songs.

So not mentioning artists means that when you're talking about songs, it's specifically in reference to chart runs?

Dorr185 said:

The Donna Lewis thing is stupid and makes no sense. Again, it's probably because you are taking my post out of context. I was saying Ciara is already my successful than Tweet, and all you say is Donna Lewis. How in the world is that supposed to make any sense?

For the same reason why I'm not going to explain to you that 2+2=4, I will not explain the Donna Lewis reference.

Dorr185 said:

When I said "Oh, and just because her hit was REALLY big doesn't mean she WON'T have more, sorry Bob!" I was saying it because Bob said "Just because her hit was REALLY big does not mean she'll have more, sorry Dorr!" So yet another point of your post proved to be silly, useless, and pointless because the exact thing you said had already been covered. Again, because you took my post out of context. Next time, read the whole thread and get a clear I idea about what you are talking about before you respond to one random reply. Thanks.

I was reiterating his point. How is that taking things out of context? rofl

[j]

Poetry said:

You dont think it would suck to have like, 6 top 5 songs but be known as a one hit wonder who has only had one song?

Actually I said several mediocre Top 10s, not 6 Top 5s. Top 5s could mean huge #1 hits; mediocre Top 10s couldn't.

And actually I said I preferred to have only 1 huge hit and have everything else flop, not have several mediocre Top 10s and have only one of them remembered.

And why not? 5, 10 years down the road, I'd like to still be played on radio, even if it's just that one song, instead of being completely forgotten.

Poetry said:

(I do not think of Maroon5 that way though-to me, Harder to Breathe was a hit-not a massive unbelievable hit but a solid hit. This Love is obviously a monster. She Will Be Loved is a huge hit to me as well.)

Yeah. And we also have to give some shout-outs to Harder To Breathe for so obviously paving the way for This Love to be a huge hit.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Dorr185 said:

Neither Tweet nor Kelis had a number one smash hit on the Billboard Hot 100 like Ciara does. Those songs were a flash in the pan, Ciara is about to complete an entire month with the most popular song in the country.

Fine. I'll put Ciara in the same category as Lou Bega.

(I missed this half of the page in this topic)

[Evergreen]

The said:

Fine. I'll put Ciara in the same category as Lou Bega.

(I missed this half of the page in this topic)

And I'll go with the other extreme and put her in the same category as Britney and Christina, who had number one's straight out of the gate.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I'd like to note that I'm not saying she's going to be a one-hit-wonder because I don't like her or her song. I'm saying it because, to me, 'Goodies' seems like it's a novelty and, unlike Ashanti whose 'Foolish' also appeared that way a bit, Ciara hasn't appeared in anyone else's songs yet whereas Ashanti had at that point in her career. So she hasn't really stabilized herself just yet. I'm not saying she DEFINATELY won't have another hit again because obviously I can't say something like that for sure. I'm only predicting it with reasons why I think so. What are you reasons for thinking she will? Aside from the fact you obviously love her and the song? And be objective and non-biased, please.

[Evergreen]

The said:

I'd like to note that I'm not saying she's going to be a one-hit-wonder because I don't like her or her song. I'm saying it because, to me, 'Goodies' seems like it's a novelty and, unlike Ashanti whose 'Foolish' also appeared that way a bit, Ciara hasn't appeared in anyone else's songs yet whereas Ashanti had at that point in her career. So she hasn't really stabilized herself just yet. I'm not saying she DEFINATELY won't have another hit again because obviously I can't say something like that for sure. I'm only predicting it with reasons why I think so. What are you reasons for thinking she will? Aside from the fact you obviously love her and the song? And be objective and non-biased, please.

Music is the exact opposite of objective and non-biased. But based on the smash debut single, it's VERY likely she will have a follow up single that will do at least decent on the charts.

Sure people can throw out a few examples of someone who's first single went to number one and they didn't have a follow hit, but the vast majority do have a follow that is a success. She hasn't even released a second single and radio is already playing one of her songs. Which leaves me to believe that they are interested in her enough that her next hit will be a follow up.

And I have the cd, I think she has several radio-friendly tracks, and the album is solid. That's why I'm certain Ciara won't be a one-hit wonder.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Dorr185 said:

Music is the exact opposite of objective and non-biased. But based on the smash debut single, it's VERY likely she will have a follow up single that will do at least decent on the charts.

Sure people can throw out a few examples of someone who's first single went to number one and they didn't have a follow hit, but the vast majority do have a follow that is a success. She hasn't even released a second single and radio is already playing one of her songs. Which leaves me to believe that they are interested in her enough that her next hit will be a follow up.

And I have the cd, I think she has several radio-friendly tracks, and the album is solid. That's why I'm certain Ciara won't be a one-hit wonder.

Jewel's last two CDs both had a ton of radio friendly tracks but each one had only one solid hit and that was it.
I think Ciara could have a followup that will go Top 30 on CHR/Pop and maybe Top 20 on Urban or whatever but as a leading artist, I think this will be her only major hit. I won't write her off as having hits as a featured artist though. Depends on how successful Petey deleted can get and if he wants her on one of his singles.

[Evergreen]

Looks like the best thing to do with this is to let it die and come back to it later.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Agreed. You stand by your prediction and I'll stand by mine. :)

[freekaleek]

I think Ciara could've been the next Kelis, but i have a feeling she'll be more like the next Ashanti. I can see her release several more hits but then her hype eventually dies down 2 or 3 years from now and she's sort of just...there.

I wasn't really following that converstation with J, but i know i would rather have 5 top 5's over one #1 and 4 mediocre top ten's (i don't see how top tens could be mediocre anyway).

[mst3k]

freekAleek said:

(i don't see how top tens could be mediocre anyway).

Mediocre as in "virtually forgettable"... like Vanessa Carlton's "Ordinary Day" (according to Ragin ;) ) or Vanilla Ice's "Play That Funky Music".