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Post by pen on Jul 10, 2006 12:18:36 GMT -5
Okay, let's try this again. First single from their new album, goes for adds on July 24th. Let's see if it can make it this time.
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Post by Dan on Jul 10, 2006 12:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by allnightmarelong on Jul 10, 2006 13:05:13 GMT -5
sounds like that crap right out of the 80's. please go away!
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Post by Hook on Jul 10, 2006 13:21:09 GMT -5
I don't know how much I like Brandon's voice in that clip, but the song sounds like it could be good. I'm looking forward to the full version.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Jul 10, 2006 14:41:00 GMT -5
Outside of Brandon's change in voice, I don't see much of a difference between that and many of the slower tracks from Hot Fuss. I know my station will play this to death within the first 3 weeks and I will vomit from hearing this in September, but I'll try my best to avoid listening to the Jack Johnson and Strokes repeats my station shoves down the throats of the rest of the poor alternative listeners of K.C. Regardless, this isn't a bad tune. If NME says it's the new single, then I'll take it at least somewhat seriously. I guess the tracklist shouldn't be too much of a surprise by now
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Post by American Idiot on Jul 10, 2006 21:15:34 GMT -5
I don't think this is too bad just from the small clip here. I'm not a huge fan of The Killers, but I can definitely understand why people drool over them. I've never not liked a song by them, but aren't that thrilled with their material, so I kind of am looking forward to hearing this full song and other material from the new album.
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Post by SyrupBoy on Jul 10, 2006 22:36:40 GMT -5
sounds like that crap right out of the 80's. please go away! Oh that crap? Thanks for being so specific.
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Post by winner2000 on Jul 11, 2006 11:53:13 GMT -5
This is supposed to be the lead track off of "one of the best albums in 20 years"?
I don't think so...
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Post by pen on Jul 11, 2006 13:08:43 GMT -5
Because bands have never exaggerated before. If I had a nickel for every bullshit line I've heard from a band about their album I wouldn't need to download so much. I try to ignore it and make my own judgement. Anyone who actually is expecting this to be the "best album in 20 years" is a sap and deserves to be taken for whatever money they drop.
Meanwhile, I like this song. It's too short a clip to make a firm judgement, but it sounds like it's the good kind of retro as opposed to the bad.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 11, 2006 13:29:18 GMT -5
Fast rise, fast fall, a la "World Wide Suicide"
This was what I was talking about before regarding that The Killers are likely going to struggle the second time around at this format. They may not be in nearly as bad a shape as, say, Evanescence in terms of sophomore expectations, but they're at a difficult crossroads at the moment trying to live up to the success of their triple-platinum debut, and they're a more unique-sounding band than many others on Top 40 radio. Thus, they arguably have no staple format, and thus it'll make it all the more difficult for the Killers to prove their first triumph isn't a fluke.
I was saying if their sophomore album sounds more progressive, then they could have a longer life at Alternative, but if it sounds close to "Hot Fuss", then they're likely going to begin slipping from the format like I imagine Fall Out Boy are beginning to do and look for future successes at Hot AC and CHR/Pop particularly.
This sounds like one of their poppiest selections to me. This will all but certainly soar up this chart at breakneck speed upon release, but I think it's going to fall fast as well. Despite that, I think this should do well at Hot AC and CHR/Pop.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by pen on Jul 11, 2006 14:32:04 GMT -5
How was "World Wide Suicide" a fast rise and fast fall? It's still in the thirties as we speak and it spent a lot of time near the top on both formats. And "Life Wasted" is doing well now as well.
I don't expect the new Killers song to jump to #1, but I don't think a more progressive approach is the answer. That would probably sink their ship faster. I think what they're doing is fine enough: they'll climb to a high spot on the charts, stick around a while, and then slowly drop down until a new single comes along to replace it.
And I don't think Fall Out Boy is in danger of slipping either. Yeah, the third single didn't do anywhere near as well as the first two, but it wasn't a great single anyway, it didn't require much promotion at that point, and the first two singles did massively well. We'll find out where Fall Out Boy is at once a new single from a new album comes around, which will probably be before the end of the year. It's too early to tell any different.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 11, 2006 15:08:52 GMT -5
How was "World Wide Suicide" a fast rise and fast fall? It's still in the thirties as we speak and it spent a lot of time near the top on both formats. And "Life Wasted" is doing well now as well. I don't expect the new Killers song to jump to #1, but I don't think a more progressive approach is the answer. That would probably sink their ship faster. I think what they're doing is fine enough: they'll climb to a high spot on the charts, stick around a while, and then slowly drop down until a new single comes along to replace it. And I don't think Fall Out Boy is in danger of slipping either. Yeah, the third single didn't do anywhere near as well as the first two, but it wasn't a great single anyway, it didn't require much promotion at that point, and the first two singles did massively well. We'll find out where Fall Out Boy is at once a new single from a new album comes around, which will probably be before the end of the year. It's too early to tell any different. "World Wide Suicide" is a chart-topping hit, but easily among the weakest chart-topping hits in recent memory, perhaps the weakest single to reach #1 since U2's "Vertigo" or Janes Addiction's "Just Because" (the latter went #1 on one chart, #2 on another). Despite topping the chart, seeing it hasn't gone recurrent yet and is about to fall out of the Top 30 suggests it's not going to be remembered five years from now like anything from the "Ten" to "Vitalogy" eras. And I think Fall Out Boy are beginning to experience a moderate backlash at Alternative in that many perceive them too closely to the TRL crowd than the Alternative format itself. Green Day have gotten away with it because they have an established history at Alternative and a history alone has huge advantages. This new Killers single will rocket into the Top 10, probably Top 5, and stick around the same peak for about five to seven weeks, but I think judging by the 40 seconds in that clip, this won't have any real staying power at Alternative and I predict a moderately fast to fast fall. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by allnightmarelong on Jul 11, 2006 15:24:32 GMT -5
sounds like that crap right out of the 80's. please go away! Oh that crap? Thanks for being so specific. my bad, I thought it was common knowledge 90% of the music made in the 80's was pure CRAP.
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Post by alexcuse on Jul 11, 2006 16:12:12 GMT -5
Clip reminds me of The Cure. I think this song will not have too quick a fall, as radio will keep it on the air until after the band performs at the various winter radio festivals.
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Post by pen on Jul 11, 2006 16:25:40 GMT -5
How was "World Wide Suicide" a fast rise and fast fall? It's still in the thirties as we speak and it spent a lot of time near the top on both formats. And "Life Wasted" is doing well now as well. I don't expect the new Killers song to jump to #1, but I don't think a more progressive approach is the answer. That would probably sink their ship faster. I think what they're doing is fine enough: they'll climb to a high spot on the charts, stick around a while, and then slowly drop down until a new single comes along to replace it. And I don't think Fall Out Boy is in danger of slipping either. Yeah, the third single didn't do anywhere near as well as the first two, but it wasn't a great single anyway, it didn't require much promotion at that point, and the first two singles did massively well. We'll find out where Fall Out Boy is at once a new single from a new album comes around, which will probably be before the end of the year. It's too early to tell any different. "World Wide Suicide" is a chart-topping hit, but easily among the weakest chart-topping hits in recent memory, perhaps the weakest single to reach #1 since U2's "Vertigo" or Janes Addiction's "Just Because" (the latter went #1 on one chart, #2 on another). Despite topping the chart, seeing it hasn't gone recurrent yet and is about to fall out of the Top 30 suggests it's not going to be remembered five years from now like anything from the "Ten" to "Vitalogy" eras. And I think Fall Out Boy are beginning to experience a moderate backlash at Alternative in that many perceive them too closely to the TRL crowd than the Alternative format itself. Green Day have gotten away with it because they have an established history at Alternative and a history alone has huge advantages. This new Killers single will rocket into the Top 10, probably Top 5, and stick around the same peak for about five to seven weeks, but I think judging by the 40 seconds in that clip, this won't have any real staying power at Alternative and I predict a moderately fast to fast fall. Sincerely, Noah Eaton That is all nothing but pure speculation based upon personal opinion. And sure enough, so is 90% of everything we say and do here, so I'm not saying I have a problem with it, but I think you're wrong. That's all I'm saying here, and we'll find out who's on the mark about some of those things in the next few weeks, I gather. But there is one thing I don't agree with specifically there, and that's when you say it'll peak in the top 5 for five to seven weeks and then drop. Is that really such a bad thing? I gather that the Killers will not drop far right away and will slide down the chart in short blips much the same way Pearl Jam (and other bands) are doing right now. I mean, it seems that you are suggesting that songs should remain in the top 5 for months. I don't think that's better for an alternative radio that is diverse and unique. Say "World Wide Suicide" was still in the top 5, even though it debuted in March and the new single is already making good headway. How does that possibly help people to be exposed to other equally deserving bands on the format? It doesn't. What it does is give Pearl Jam more promotion than they really need, especially since as I said, the new single is out and doing well. Now take "Vicarious" as an example. It's still in the top ten, even though it's starting to slide down now, but not terribly quickly I see. A lot of people are starting to get sick of that song because it's been promoted past the expiration date, if you get my drift. "The Pot" has yet to officially go for adds, so stations are hanging on to "Vicarious" like grim death. That's an example of why it's bad for songs to remain on the high peaks of the chart for too long. It hurts the song and it hurts the bands that could be taking the place of that song at that position. I think that there's a certain point where a dropoff is okay, and not months in the future, but a sooner time than that, especially if the dropoff is as slow and easy as with Pearl Jam. That's why I don't look at Pearl Jam's decline as a problem but a naturally occuring event that should be the way of things on the format. Songs should not be allowed to reign like a king.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Jul 11, 2006 23:14:05 GMT -5
Fast rise, fast fall, a la "World Wide Suicide" This was what I was talking about before regarding that The Killers are likely going to struggle the second time around at this format. They may not be in nearly as bad a shape as, say, Evanescence in terms of sophomore expectations, but they're at a difficult crossroads at the moment trying to live up to the success of their triple-platinum debut, and they're a more unique-sounding band than many others on Top 40 radio. Thus, they arguably have no staple format, and thus it'll make it all the more difficult for the Killers to prove their first triumph isn't a fluke. And you mention PJ's short chart reign. The song has actually stabilized around #30 with a minor drop in spins (less than 100). That is very important in determining a single's future. No, it won't be remembered like "Better Man", but it won't be simply dropped like "Ch-Check It Out" or "Don't Tread On Me". That stabilization at the bottom means, to me, that the song will be remembered maybe in the same lines as a #10-peaking hit, or so. I was saying if their sophomore album sounds more progressive, then they could have a longer life at Alternative, but if it sounds close to "Hot Fuss", then they're likely going to begin slipping from the format like I imagine Fall Out Boy are beginning to do and look for future successes at Hot AC and CHR/Pop particularly. This sounds like one of their poppiest selections to me. This will all but certainly soar up this chart at breakneck speed upon release, but I think it's going to fall fast as well. Despite that, I think this should do well at Hot AC and CHR/Pop. Sincerely, Noah Eaton Well, you didn't particularly state it here, but according to what you said before (correct me if I'm wrong...), you don't believe the next Killers' singles from their new album will do well on alternative because of their two pop crossovers from their last album and their continuous airplay on pop stations now. I strongly disagree if that is true. Coldplay have been able to escape several pop crossovers and continue to get lasting power at alternative. Like penance said, you need to accept the changing times of the alternative format. Whereas maybe a couple artists have been able to sustain lasting power within the top 5, songs from staple artists such as SOAD, Shinedown, and Godsmack have gone recurrent after 20 weeks, still sitting below #20. Songs are generally moving up and down the countdown much faster. Considering the Killers have never really dominated the format in the true sense of the word (they have never scored a #1), I don't have any reason to believe their next single will follow a "World Wide Suicide" type reign. I think we're looking at chart reigns maybe similar to Coldplay's last album, X&Y. But alternative, as a format, has changed. Gone are the days when Linkin Park, Hoobastank, and the Foo Fighters can shell out top 5, 30+ week hits with ease. You're too worried about the Killers' situation here. The Killers aren't going anywhere. I think, especially if they choose to let this song cross over and promote it at pop, it will actually sustain the airplay here. I think 20-22 weeks with a #5 peak would definitely be a success, and I would expect no less from them. Besides, true success lies on the second single anyway. I mean, look at "The Reason". *Edit* - Of course I can go on forever, but now that we're mentioning Fall Out Boy, I think that band has more novelty qualities than do the Killers. And especially in an age where "selling out" and "originality" are important, and considering Fall Out boy have had much more TRL success, they will likely not do as well with their next album. But the Killers have a strong audience among credible alternative listeners (in fact, that is their core audience), not teenyboppers. And keep in mind that TRL did not exist when Green Day exploded in 1994. And pop radio was generally much better, at least quality-wise (it embodied more of a VH1-style than an MTV-style, generally...). Like I said, I could go on...
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 12, 2006 12:42:18 GMT -5
I will have to hear the entire thing.
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Post by Robert J on Jul 13, 2006 11:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by [upsilon]™ on Jul 13, 2006 14:04:02 GMT -5
I find it very annoying that Brandon Flowers (and The Killers) have been continuing the band feud, just recently, with Panic! At The Disco. I like their music, but it's getting increasingly hard to think of the seriously.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2006 15:05:11 GMT -5
After listening to the full song, I have to agree with Rolling Stone that the theme and the tempo of the song is strangely like Bruce Springsteen's "Born To Run", infused with dizzy sonic undercurrents and keyboards.
This is going to be a big iTunes hit and likely a Top 10 CHR/Pop hit as well, but after a big debut on Alternative in the Top 10, I don't see this single having any real legs on this format and predict it will quickly fall by its ninth or tenth week on the chart.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2006 15:13:41 GMT -5
I find it very annoying that Brandon Flowers (and The Killers) have been continuing the band feud, just recently, with Panic! At The Disco. I like their music, but it's getting increasingly hard to think of the seriously. www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/06/28/the_killers_frontman_is_disgusted_by_emo/Brandon Flowers has hit out at America's hunger for pop punk bands, insisting he wants to beat them all to death. The singer has also reignited his feud with Fall Out Boy, even though he has never met the rockers. Flowers warns British music fans to be wary of the 'Emo' movement, insisting it will sweep the nation and change the teenage generation forever. Brandon Flowers: "You don't realise what you could be getting yourselves into, with Fall Out Boy, and what kind of impact it could have in a way that you don't really want. Culturally, if it gets as big as it is in America, it could change an entire generation of people growing up here. Emo, pop-punk, whatever you want to call it, is dangerous.
We don't wanna dislike anyone, and we've still never met Fall Out Boy, but there's a creature inside me that wants to beat all those bands to death. They just all go into the happy emo funnel and everyone loves 'em without thinking."* Dave Keuning: "All those bands, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, they are only influenced by each other and Blink 182. How can that be a good thing?"* Keuning actually makes a good point regarding all these emo bands sounding pretty identical, and they have the right to say what they want. But I do believe Brandon can certainly get himself into trouble one of these days if he doesn't moderate his tongue, getting stamped on the tabloids again and again. Flowers also contradicts himself in saying "we don't wanna dislike anyone" when he obviously thinks all emo bands are cookie cutters of one another and he makes these accusations without meeting the bands. To me it's like Cindy Sheehan recently saying she's not trashing Bush and the neocons and only their foreign policy when she went after them too in the exact same speech. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Hook on Jul 13, 2006 15:24:34 GMT -5
You know, I don't like this fued or so many of the comments Brandon has made. But I can't let that stop me from liking the song.
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Post by Chase on Jul 13, 2006 18:21:04 GMT -5
Are Fall Out Boy and Blink 182 really considered to be emo? When I think of "emo," I instantly think of Dashboard Confessional and bands whose lead singers scream and whine and moan. "Pop punk" and "emo" are two different genres, in my opinion, both thematically and aesthetically. A pop-punk band like the New Amsterdams would not fit in the same category as Dashboard. Maybe that's just me?
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Post by pen on Jul 13, 2006 18:44:16 GMT -5
Emo can't even really be considered an extension of pop-punk since it outdates pop-punk by a good margin. I don't think any definition of emo really allows for Blink-182 unless you're talking about the self-titled album, which was without a doubt an entry into the emo genre. But really, Dashboard, Sunny Day Real Estate, Thursday, and the Juliana Theory are all considered emo and they all don't really sound completely like each other, so it's not like there's one solid version of emo floating around there.
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Post by tortuga on Jul 13, 2006 19:35:30 GMT -5
Oh, please not this "Emo Vs. Indie" debate again.
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Post by pen on Jul 13, 2006 20:04:16 GMT -5
oh noes
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Post by tortuga on Jul 13, 2006 20:09:25 GMT -5
Seriously, not only that but people arguing whats "emo" and whats "indie rock" has gotten tiresome as well.
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Post by Dan on Jul 13, 2006 20:17:18 GMT -5
I don't understand what Brandon is trying to say. How is listening to emo music dangerous? Is it really hurting anyone?
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Post by [upsilon]™ on Jul 13, 2006 21:06:16 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I honestly don't see it. Maybe if we like play Fall Out Boy's records backwards, Satan'll pop out and drain our wrists with Saran Wrap. Oh please, if music was that harmful...
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Post by pen on Jul 13, 2006 21:06:46 GMT -5
The answer is simple. Brandon Flowers is totally insane and his plan for world domination is slowly coming to fruition.
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