Papa Roach - Forever

[jdmasta289]

Rumored to be the second single from The Paramour Sessions.  It could be the second coming of "Scars": it definitely has crossover potential.  I was taken back at first at how different Jacoby sounded.  His voice sounds deeper, almost sounds like the guy from Days Of The New. It's up on their myspace:

www.myspace.com/paparoach

P.S. Why is it that every time I see the song title "Forever", I'm always reverted back to John Stamos' (Jesse & The Rippers') hit song from the greatest TV sitcom ever, Full House.

[pen]

Either this or What Do You Do was what I was hoping for. I'm content.

[American Idiot]

I had a feeling Papa Roach was going to choose this or Roses On My Grave as the second single if they were going to follow the pattern from the last album as far as sound. I'm hoping for Alive (N' Out Of Control) for the third single, but I like every song on the album almost equally, so I'm happy with any choice honestly.

[jdmasta289]

Here's that Jesse & the Rippers version in case anybody (....at all....) was interested. FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBx6MbZngEY&mode=related&search=

[American Idiot]

I can't believe I did this, but I clicked that link and wow this brings back some scary memories.  Since anything I saw yesterday on Halloween didn't haunt me, this takes the cake.  Now I'm going to have nightmares of this video in my sleep 

[Nicholas2.0]

I was hoping for "The World Around You," myself, but this is my next favorite, so I really can't complain. This song has some great vocal harmonies in the bridge.

[blueoctober]

I think they made a good choice :)

[Chato]

Thanks jdmasta!!!!!
The title Forever always reminds of the Kiss song from 1989.

[Crushcrushchris]

I figured it was going to be a single eventually, just not second. I figured they were going to put out The World Around You like Nicholas said.

I'm not getting that John Stamos song out of my head now

[pen]

Okay, tonight at the Buzz Bake Sale, Papa Roach introduced this song as their next single, so I guess the "What Do You Do" video is just that: a video. Now, if that means that "What Do You Do" is the third single, I don't know, but for now, "Forever" is still the second single.

[Nicholas2.0]

Ooh, good deal; that video was lame as hell. I took it to mean the label had already given up on the record, since it was all footage of them making the album, with no song synchronization whatsoever. Glad to see it wasn't the second proper single.

[singingsparrow]

I'd say it's hard to argue that "Forever" should not be the second single; it's the most logical choice in my view.

"Scars" opened up a great window of opportunity for Papa Roach to expand their sound into the mainstream, and they went with it and unsurprisingly collected a Top 5 single at CHR/Pop. All this while not alienating their core Active Rock/Alternative audience, where the single outpeaked the heavy "Getting Away With Murder" at the latter by one chart position.

What's important to remember here is that Papa Roach delivered a solid radio hit for their nu-metal, meat-and-potatoes rock fans from their previous album with the title-track, whereas with "The Paramour Sessions" they have a lead single that peaked only fairly chart-wise (despite proving resilient in terms of longevity).

Therefore, Papa Roach should certainly push "Forever" simulaneously, but must be cautious in that they don't overdo their potential mainstream expansion, and should consider another heavier offering for the third single.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[Nicholas2.0]

singingsparrow said:

Papa Roach must be cautious in that they don't overdo their potential mainstream expansion, and should consider another heavier offering for the third single.

Just watch, regardless of the outcome of "Forever," the label will prematurely shoot its load and release another crossover song after that, starting Papa Roach's decline in relevance to the rock realm.

Though I'd hate for that to happen, I can easily see it turning out that way.

[jdmasta289]

What would lead you to believe that would happen, Nicholas?

On rock, "Take Me" was exactly the type of single they needed riding off the success of "Scars", even if it didn't do that well anywhere.

I don't think any single from them could ever beat the greatness of "Broken Home". Come to think of it, that's the only single from them I've ever really liked.

[Nicholas2.0]

jdmasta289 said:

What would lead you to believe that would happen, Nicholas?

Just this gut feeling, this time around.

I don't think any single from them could ever beat the greatness of "Broken Home".  Come to think of it, that's the only single from them I've ever really liked.

Hmm...that's probably my least favorite, aside from "Time and Time Again" and perhaps "She Loves Me Not," as well.

When people want to make fun of rap-metal (i.e., its lame attempts at rapping and its "poor, poor me, I-hate-my-parents" lyrics), Papa Roach just basically did all the work for them with this song.  I mean the intro lyrics just sum it all up: "Broken home/All alone" over music that sounds like I could have played all the instruments, had I picked them up last week.  This song, catchy though it may be, is what people hate about rap-metal.

[pen]

Boy, that actually pisses me off. It's not like that many nu-metal songs (and none I can recall at the current moment in time) cover the topic of abandonment or the fallout from divorce. The lyrics might be nonspecific and the music might be simplistic, but that should not matter in the slightest. I think it does a good job of unloading the anger of the situation, and it works better live too (having seen Papa Roach perform it three times). I mean, to say it's just a wah-wah song about hating parents horribly undermines the point of the song. It's an ignorant position to take.

[jdmasta289]

What penance said. And the exact same criticism could be made of grunge music. Downtrodden lyrics, and a lyrical inferiority that borders on suicide (see: Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley). What about indie music and its sense of paranoia (She Wants Revenge, the Killers)? Emo music and whining about failed relationships?

And who said that discussing family problems in songs instantly made a band open for intense criticism?

I've heard great enough complexity from Papa Roach to excuse one slightly simplistic song. And I'm certainly not going to pile on the anti-numetal band wagon because it's convenient for me to do so and I may become more credibile with indie folks as a result (not that I'm actually credible in the first place).

[pen]

Goes for adds January 15th, but it seems like only Active is getting it. That's a huge mistake on Geffen's part.

[American Idiot]

I'm sure it will go to Alternative. Sometimes Active Rock gets adds a few days before Alternative does. However, yeah you're right if Geffen doesn't send it there, then they're a bunch of schmageggies. It's screaming for Top 10 success.

[thisbeautifulmess]

I actually heard this on an active rock station last night. Well, I should probably clarify that I heard this on the station that has given the song 33 of the 37 spins it has received this week.

[Nicholas2.0]

penance said:

Boy, that actually pisses me off. It's not like that many nu-metal songs (and none I can recall at the current moment in time) cover the topic of abandonment or the fallout from divorce. The lyrics might be nonspecific and the music might be simplistic, but that should not matter in the slightest. I think it does a good job of unloading the anger of the situation, and it works better live too (having seen Papa Roach perform it three times). I mean, to say it's just a wah-wah song about hating parents horribly undermines the point of the song. It's an ignorant position to take.

Hmm...Korn's tormented child songs come to mind: "Daddy," "Kill You," "Dead Bodies Everywhere," e.g.) Staind's "Me" is a good one, Coal Chamber's "Bradley" and "My Frustration," Slipknot's "Eyeless"...

A lot of people gave Papa Roach shit when their first two singles were out, accusing them of trivializing suicide and divorce with such non-descriptive lyrics (and in the case of "Last Resort," its up-tempo sing-songy feel.) If I remember correctly, Jacoby wrote "Last Resort" from the standpoint of one of his friends (correct me if I'm wrong) and I just remember hearing or reading a lot of people saying stuff like, "Wow, he doesn't have a clue what his friend was going through." (Or, giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he didn't know how to convey it properly.)

In terms of "bad childhood" new-metal songs that people ridicule, "Broken Home" and "For You" by Staind are the two main whipping boys, which is unfortunate for Staind because "Me" got it so right. I'm not saying any of these songs are crap, mind you. They're catchy as hell. I'd give "Last Resort" a B+, "Broken Home" a B, and "For You" a B+. Just whatever meaningful place the frontmen were drawing from got lost in crap lyrics.

(And for what it's worth, when I saw Papa Roach live last, it felt to me like a lot of their older material was half-assed, as if they were only playing some of it out of obligation.)

[pen]

On the subject of half-assed: I've never been given that impression from Papa Roach's live performances, although the second time I saw them, I think the sound was out of whack and it was the same set as the first time I saw them, so it wasn't as exciting.

On the subject of your first paragraph: I have not heard or really paid attention to most of those songs but the fact that you include "Daddy" kind of makes me think you're just lumping them all together. "Daddy" isn't really even about Jonathan's father if you know the story behind the song. Just because all those songs are about or mention parents doesn't mean that they're the same or that they're just whining either. I stand by what I said. Writing songs like those off in that matter is extremely ignorant.

[Nicholas2.0]

Yes, I know "Daddy" isn't autobiographical. It doesn't matter. I'm sorry Jacoby apparently had a tough time in the fallout from his parents' divorce, but I find it hard to sympathize from the song, because everything he's saying about it is so artless and vague.

[pen]

Oh, I knew from the start that you were making your case because you don't like the song. That's fine. I just think that you're saying a lot of things that really aren't true.

[Matt4319]

It would've kicked ass if they actually had done a remake of J&TR. I suppose I'll listen to this sometime within the next month.

[reception]

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[Devil Marlena Nylund]

I really like this song. Great crossover potential but if not, I think it's my favourite from them. I quite liked 'Last Resort' though.

[Nicholas2.0]

It really startles me every time I hear "heroin" and "drugs" omitted. You'd think rock radio wouldn't have a problem leaving those in. For one, "heroin" is used as a metaphor, and for two, nobody ever had a problem playing "I love the cocaine" in Buckcherry's "Lit Up." And that was the key line of that song.

[pen]

They bleeped out "heroin"? AHAHAHAAHAHAHA, that's hilarious considering the word is "heroine". What a bunch of idiots.

[American Idiot]

That's not as bad as hearing the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus's "Face Down" yesterday on the local pop station here in Orlando XL 106.7, and they blocked out the word "drown." Eventually, radio will just make songs that have no lyrics because everything will be too offensive.