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Post by benmcd2000 on Nov 30, 2003 15:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2003 15:47:37 GMT -5
rofl
I'm really happy to see all of these PDs saying that it's going towards rock and adult contemporary. I never thought I'd say this but I'd be so happy to see the CHR/Pop chart consist primarily of Alternative songs and pop ballads.
Someone even said that artists like Sarah McLachlan and Matchbox Twenty are going to be more popular soon. I would also be really happy if a lot of adult contemporary artists could make comebacks at CHR/Pop.
It's becoming more and more obvious that real pop music is being accepted more now.
I am really anticipating the day where Chingy and Lil' Jon are nowhere to be found on the CHR/Pop chart.
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Post by FreakyFlyBry on Nov 30, 2003 15:51:39 GMT -5
I am really anticipating the day where Chingy and Lil' Jon are nowhere to be found on the CHR/Pop chart. Me too. I'd like to see more of a full-blown pop revival as well. |
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Post by seattleboy on Nov 30, 2003 15:54:50 GMT -5
I absolutely agree, Hip-Hop has become so repetitive. Nothing new and innovative seems to be coming out of it with exception of Outkast and maybe Black Eyed Peas.
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Post by chebingeo on Nov 30, 2003 16:27:42 GMT -5
The first step to getting Lil' Jon & Chingy off the pop chart is to get stations like WKGS and KCHZ off the pop panel (since they are really rhythm stations).
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Post by ExActLy99 on Nov 30, 2003 16:53:25 GMT -5
Actually KCHZ has been changing a bit, they're finally playing Santana & 3 Doors Down, but now that's out of their top 30, so hopefully they'll leave, they currently have Chingy at 109 spins!! The format could stand to lose a few stations anyways, since I've noticed that just recently it's back up from 126-7 stations to 129 stations.
It looks like most of those people have the right ideas, but some act like nothing is happening, and some act like Rock has been taking over for the past year!! Rock finally just took over 4 months ago!
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 30, 2003 17:05:28 GMT -5
It's gonna be a while for another pop revival. I would agree with the rock/adult contemporary what with 3DD, Matchbox 20, John Mayer, Santana w/somebody, etc.
I was thinking that when Linkin Park got popular that nu-metal would become a pop regular (not necessarily dominant, but there).
Consider this, at one point in the year, the top 10 singles in Billboard consisted of all urban acts and I believe 13 out of the top 14 were urban in that same chart (Matchbox 20's Unwell was the only non-urban song that high on the chart).
I have a feeling that it will be a while before rap is knocked off.
I really wish rap would because in the period where it has become a mainstream force, it is also at its worst point musically speaking. There have only been a select few rap songs that actually stand out as being somewhat good, good, or great.
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Post by strong4PMB! on Nov 30, 2003 17:14:48 GMT -5
I'd like to see more of a full-blown pop revival as well. |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 30, 2003 18:13:06 GMT -5
Well that's in your own little worlds. Someone can use the same argument and say that rock/Hot AC tracks are trite, boring, with the rock tracks having forever annoying, incessant, and excessive screaming, and nothing listenable (which is capable of damaging an eardrum) or interesting is coming out of it as well.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 18:22:04 GMT -5
I think people are slowly starting to realize that rap music is cheesy and overproduced and are sarting to look into the substance of songs "Why Can't I?" and "(There's Gotta Be) More to Life" which are just doing great on the pop charts right now!
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 30, 2003 18:23:42 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I like rap and I still like some rap that's pretty recent, but overall, I don't like the rap especially a lot of the songs played on pop stations, with very few exceptions (most recently Where is the Love?, and Runnin' with Tupac and Biggie). There have to be better songs (this is simply my opinion and no one else's) than what is played currently.
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Post by krazymack on Nov 30, 2003 18:27:46 GMT -5
I think people are slowly starting to realize that rap music is chessy and overproduced and are sarting to look into the substance of songs "Why Can't I?" and "(There's Gotta Be More to Life)" which are just doing great on the pop charts right now! Lol, yes people are starting to realize for sure that rap is becoming cheesy and overdone. If we take a look at the Billboard Hot 100 let's see what's selling in the top 10: #2 "Stand Up" Ludacris #3 "Hey Ya" Outkast #4 "Holidae Inn" Chingy f/ Ludacris & Snoop #5 "The Way You Move," Outkast #7 "Damn," Youngbloodz f/ Lil' Jon #8 "Suga Suga" Baby Bash f/ Frankie J #10 "Get Low" Lil Jon f/ The Eastside Boyz #1 on the Billboard Top 200 Albums - Jay Z's "The Black Album." You're right people are starting to think that rap music is cheesy and overproduced. LOL.  |
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 18:30:34 GMT -5
I hate the Hot 100, not everyone releases a commercial single and rap songs can chart on more formats then most other songs. Also, rhytmic/urban stations play their songs a lot more than Hot AC or AC stations making more listeners for one song and the Hot 100 is based off audience impression.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 18:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2003 18:31:51 GMT -5
I think PD's overdid the whole Teenpop thing a few years ago, just as they overdid the Rhythmic thing lately. Then once they finally realized Teenpop was out, they went to extremes to make up for how much they played it. The fact that even as late as Spring of this year saw no Pop songs on the Top 10 area of the POP CHART is in my opinion a very prolonged attempt to prove that they are not "bubblegum" stations, as they were considered to be during the Backstreet/N Sync/"Baby One More Time" days.
Now we've seen the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak. (Sorry for the corny metaphor, but it does apply here). Pop stations are beginning to realize that Pop isn't all bad! I myself used to be sick of Pop but have found myself coming back to it more lately. I can say the same for many of my friends too.
That may be true, but I think what they were trying to say is this.... There are already 2 whole formats specifically for hip-hop songs (Urban and CHR/Rhythmic). But Pop stations are the ONLY place to hear Pop music and even a lot of Hot AC stuff (since HAC doesn't play ALL good Hot AC songs... recent examples- "Stacy's Mom" and "Hearder to Breathe"). Hence, it kind of sucks for Pop listeners that the stations were extremely Rhythmic leaning. Don't get me wrong, I'd be up in arms if Pop stopped playing Rhythmic stations altogether, but when they play MOSTLY Rhythmic songs that are played a ton on other formats already in place of songs that you can't hear anywhere else, that kind of sucks.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 18:34:52 GMT -5
And another thing, I think the pop listeners and stations are slowly realizing that rap music (particularly collaberations, rap music will always be around) is overproduced.
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2003 18:35:20 GMT -5
I don't think youcan go by the Hot 100. I think it's pretty obvious it doesn't accuratelty affect everyone's taste. Urban stations play their songs in much higher rotation than Hot AC and Alternative stations. Plus, there are usually several of them in each major market. NYC has 3 of them and only 1 Hot AC station. Casual music listeners who don't really follow the charts would think "Complicated" would'be peaked much higher than, say, "Bump Bump Bump."
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Post by krazymack on Nov 30, 2003 18:36:00 GMT -5
Ok take back "Hey Ya." I don't care. But you have a good six hip hop songs in the Billboard Hot 100.
But answer the question to this young man, "What is selling?" Give me the facts, I can't rely much on opinions when people use generalizations and saying that people are starting to realize that rap is overdone. Judging from that chart, I don't find any indication that listeners seem unsatisfied with rap music.
If we look at the pop chart, the popular rap tracks are still gaining decently. So I don't really see your argument.
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Post by krazymack on Nov 30, 2003 18:39:26 GMT -5
I don't think youcan go by the Hot 100. I think it's pretty obvious it doesn't accuratelty affect everyone's taste. Urban stations play their songs in much higher rotation than Hot AC and Alternative stations. Plus, there are usually several of them in each major market. NYC has 3 of them and only 1 Hot AC station. Casual music listeners who don't really follow the charts would think "Complicated" would'be peaked much higher than, say, "Bump Bump Bump." Okay that's fine. I am looking at what is selling, I used an example on the Billboard Album Charts which has nothing to do with airplay, and a rap act is still selling well on that chart. Whenever someone mentions that people are getting tired of rap music, I want to see the facts that they are dissatisfied. I don't rely on somene's opinions much. |
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 30, 2003 18:46:35 GMT -5
I don't think people are going to get tired of it for quite a while. I am well aware that rap is selling really well.
Out of the 8 songs you mentioned krazymack, I really liked 2, was ok with 2 others and hated the other 4.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 18:50:31 GMT -5
My arguement has more to do with pop music coming back. Songs like "(There's Gotta Be) More to Life" are doing very well which are exactly the type of songs which people claimed they hated a year ago. And more pop charts on the pop charts means less other tyes of music such as rap.
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Post by Rob64 on Nov 30, 2003 18:55:50 GMT -5
I think people are slowly starting to realize that rap music is chessy and overproduced and are sarting to look into the substance of songs "Why Can't I?" and "(There's Gotta Be More to Life)" which are just doing great on the pop charts right now! oh god... I couldn't disagree more. Those two songs are horrible, in my opinion. I'll take any rap songs over these two any day. Like somebody else said, that's your opinion. I still love rap (although it's not nearly as good as it was 5 or 10 years ago), but I also love good pop songs, rock, AC, R&B. I like everything. All I ask for, on the pop chart, is a good balance. For a while there. everything was rap/R&B. Right now, we have a great balance.  |
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2003 18:56:29 GMT -5
Okay that's fine. I am looking at what is selling, I used an example on the Billboard Album Charts which has nothing to do with airplay, and a rap act is still selling well on that chart. Whenever someone mentions that people are getting tired of rap music, I want to see the facts that they are dissatisfied. I don't rely on somene's opinions much. I don't think anyone said that Rap isn't selling or people in general are tired of Rap. I think people are specifically referring to the Pop radio chart. If Rap has its own format to support it (CHR/Rhythmic, pretty much) then obviouslt it's popular. But that doesn't mean CHR/Pop listeners want to hear as much Rap music as they have been for the past 2 years. |
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Post by Rob64 on Nov 30, 2003 18:57:33 GMT -5
And another thing, I think the pop listeners and stations are slowly realizing that rap music (particularly collaberations, rap music will always be around) is overproduced. Are you for real? seriously, come on |
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 30, 2003 19:00:51 GMT -5
I will agree with rob64 on this one, except I think Why Can't I and (There's Gotta Be) More to Life are decent tracks.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 19:01:47 GMT -5
Are you for real? seriously, come on ... yes. I'm not saying it's gone, I'm saying it is beginning to fade just how pop music did. |
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Post by Rob64 on Nov 30, 2003 19:04:26 GMT -5
You need to realise that there's a whole world of music outside of pop radio. I know it's shocking but the world doesn't revolve around pop radio :o :o Still today, 85% of my friends/people i know my age are into rap. There' underground rap. Rap is still huge. It's not fading away. rap doesn't rely on the pop charts
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2003 19:05:31 GMT -5
I agree that collaborations were milked as far as they could go the past year or so. Collaborations used to be a really big deal... it was an event when 2 popular musical artists did a song together. Now it's almost the norm. I used to look forward to collaborations but now they just annoy me, unless it's a good one. I think this trend is going to stop eventually as well though.
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2003 19:07:06 GMT -5
I want to add that it kind of sucks that everytime someone makes a topic about "Is Pop coming back?" or "Is Hot AC coming back?" it has to always get ruined by turning into a topic about "Is Rap here to stay?"
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Post by irice22 on Nov 30, 2003 19:08:59 GMT -5
We're in the pop forum! I'm referring to the pop charts. There will always be rap music and there will always rhytmic and urban stations. There will also always be collaberations, but not so much to this extent as they are now in the future. Rap music will always be here just I think it will start to fade on the pop charts and as for collaberation, it's just a fad that will fade out even on the rhytmic/urban charts. I'm not saying rap is fading out in in the rhytmic forum, I am saying it's fading out in the pop forum, therefore I am talking about the pop charts.
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