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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 14:09:03 GMT -5
You guys will probably delete this right away and not even answer the question but apparantly, Rob has been banned for a week but as far as I know, there was no explanation. I'm asking for one. I know I don't really deserve one because it doesn't concern me but I think Rob does because it concerns him... if he even cares. As far as I know, he didn't do anything singular that would be deserving of a temporary ban. People complained about him, according to some people, but I haven't seen any complaints and I've heard people complain about Josh yet he's still here and still moderator. Anything that Rob did, I'm sure I can find something that I would consider a worse deed done by someone else on these boards that would be more deserving of a ban than what he did. Personally, I think Rob is being cornered because you guys know how he is on MSN and how he was on R&R and you're using that against him. How one protrays themself anywhere but here shouldn't be an indication or reason for anything to do with this place. I wonder if TCorey would have banned Rob since as far as I know, the only interaction between Rob and TCorey has been on the boards so there would be less bias.
Or maybe I just don't know the whole story so please enlighten me.
And if you really feel the need to delete this topic, PM me the answer or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 16:03:16 GMT -5
Rob was spoken to by Adam. Matt thought about this for an hour last night. ...and it's really none of your business who the administrators are warning. I have been warned. Is that any of your business? No, it is not.
Rob knows why Matt banned him. Period. Tell him to stop getting his "friends" to cause a riot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 16:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah but if they are going to ban rob they should take your moderator privaledges away because you are always fighting with him and doing things that are unbecoming of a moderator. First of all, I do not argue with Rob. Second of all, I did not ban Rob. |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 6, 2003 16:51:52 GMT -5
I trust Matt's ability to make decisions on who should and should not be banned and you should as well. I don't think discussing these issues about specific posters in an open forum is appropriate.
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Post by Matt4319 on Nov 6, 2003 17:02:45 GMT -5
There's nothing to discuss here. Rob received a warning, and he ignored/defied it. I didn't see some of the posts in question because they were deleted while I was away, but I trust Adam and Josh when they tell me what went on.
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Post by JCMF3 on Nov 6, 2003 17:23:05 GMT -5
You know, if Rob wants to tell you why he was banned, he should just do so. It shouldn't be up to you to inquire about it. Frankly, I don't think it is the entire member's business why one person got banned/suspended.
I believe that Matt, Josh, and Adam are doing a great job being moderators along with trying to be people's friends. That is a hard thing to do, and I don't know the circumstances, but I am glad that Matt was big enough to put his foot down and make that decision.
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Post by irice22 on Nov 6, 2003 17:51:14 GMT -5
... and Corey. :)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 19:52:42 GMT -5
Tony ;) ...and thank you guys. Though you may not see the full business of what's going on, things are done after being well thought out and for a reason. That's why if people have a problem, they should come see the administrator. There is no reason to bring it to the board. |
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 20:00:47 GMT -5
First of all, you're right Mike... we don't owe you an explanation. It's none of your business and you know this topic wouldn't fly over well if this were still R&R.
But for what it's worth, Rob's ban had nothing to do with arguments with Josh. We warned him of his inappropriate behavior (without getting into details since as Tony said it doesn't belong in an open forum). Rob's response was by doing the exact opposite of what he was asked too.
And for the future, creating this sort of topic in itself is worthy of a warning. As is the poll you made yesterday in The Lounge, Mike.
Furthermore I'll add that I don't know what you're talking about when you say:
None of us have been talking to anyone on MSN... well I don't know about Matt but none of the rest of us.
And jason, thank you for your nice words. :)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 20:02:23 GMT -5
For the record, I don't, and have never had MSN installed on my computer.
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Post by BlahBlahBlah on Nov 6, 2003 20:38:32 GMT -5
Sorry to break away from the ass-kissing atmosphere, but I have to say the deleting-posts deal is really getting out of hand IMO. I don't see why there's a need to sweep everything under the rug. I'm not on all the time, and when I am and see threads with half-deleted posts, it makes me wonder, what are you trying to hide? I would much prefer to see an explanation to replace a deleted post and/or a locked topic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 20:56:05 GMT -5
Sorry to break away from the ass-kissing atmosphere, but I have to say the deleting-posts deal is really getting out of hand IMO. I don't see why there's a need to sweep everything under the rug. I'm not on all the time, and when I am and see threads with half-deleted posts, it makes me wonder, what are you trying to hide? I would much prefer to see an explanation to replace a deleted post and/or a locked topic. I know the only times I've done it is when Rob kept instigating Hector about Madonna. I deleted all of the posts that were instigating, both Rob and Hector's. Why should they ruin the discussion for everyone else? I think it makes more sense to delete the problem than to delete the whole topic. The other time was Global Charts. There was an exchange of some nasty comments back and forth, so I gave a warning and deleted the argument. Once again, why should the topic at hand be ruined for everyone else? Finally, the only one I can see people might find a problem is the "Hey..." topic last night. Rob made a comment that I shouldn't be arguing anything and that I should practice what I preach and delete my own posts. Well if I did that, the rest of the argument was going with it. However, and I know someone else brought this up off the board last night... they said that I should just not come back to things like that. So my question is, while people swear at me and say nasty things to me, I'm supposed to let it slide? People act like that's how it should be. Disrespecting any member, administrator or not just isn't tolerated. Theres's no reason for it. So the whole idea here is, basically, if you want a rule, I'll give it to you if I feel it's justified, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Rob gave Adam constant problems after he was warned and Matt banned him. That's how it works. This is getting to a point where it's like "administration vs. the members". It should and would not be like that. However some people seem to think that they should have an argument and say something like "You're an idiot so-and-so! AND Josh, don't touch my posts." Well like I've said, don't go ruining topics for everyone else. Because you address me personally about it, I'm supposed to change the rules for you? I think not. If people would just not get into arguments over petty things, I nor Adam would even have to do the things that are bothering people. No one would be banned and no posts would be deleted. Notice that we can have debates like the homosexual marriage topic and it doesn't get out of hand, yet things like opinion topics are what is getting people into trouble. I think this comes down to a matter of respecting other people's opinions. You are free to disagree, but don't make a whole escapade out of it. |
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 20:56:16 GMT -5
Well, I appreciate you guys telling me as much as you did. Rob told me that you warned him because he said, and I quote him: "Matt >:(" and apparantly Jersey Boy told him to watch his attitude or whatever on the boards. So apparantly, either he's not telling me the whole story or he doesn't know either. Here's what he said just now on MSN:
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
i don't know what i did that made them mad.
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
supposedly, i know
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
i really don't
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
you saw my posts in that topic
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
called "hey..."
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
those are the ones that pissed them off i think
Rob (Appear Offline) (Away) (Busy) (On The Phone) says:
i don't remember saying anything bad in there
Agreed. Deleting posts does show you have something to hide or you're unable to explain yourself so you easily get out of the situation. As moderators, you guys shouldn't be abusing the privalidges you have. Your job is to keep the boards in line and it is my right as a member of this board to say that I personally don't think you're doing that well. I disagree with most of the things you do and the way that you run this place and I suppose it's about to say that I'm not the only one. If other people wants to speak up, they can. I just think that since you guys have the power, you think you can go around doing whatever you want. This was kinda proven to me when Josh said "I can say whatever I want." If we can't say whatever we want, neither can Josh. As a moderator, he's still equal to us, he simply has a responsibility to keep the boards in order but I think him and Adam are just going around looking for stuff to do instead of moderating. I'm not saying that they are banning Rob because they are bored. I just think they are overreacting when there are other members that should probably get warnings too. I'd like to note that this post isn't directed at TCorey or Matt but at Adam and Josh. I plain and simply disagree with a lot of the ways they work as moderators. If Rob gets banned for supposedly causing trouble because that's how they see it, I don't see why they should continue doing what they do and get away with it if I and others see it wrong. I do like both Adam and Josh and I'm not saying I don't like their opinions or whatever but just their positions and the way they work is where my problem is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 21:17:21 GMT -5
First of all, I did not warn Rob or anything. People need to stop acting like I am the sole administrator here. I feel like every time someone has a problem, it becomes mine.
Excuse me Mike, but when I delete Rob's nonsensical Madonna bashing that's obvious instigating towards Hector in his topic, I have something to hide? I don't think so. I'm keeping the rules in line. Why should Hector have his topic ruined by bashing? I'd really like you to tell me what I'm hiding in that situation... or let's say when another member uses profanity against another. What am I hiding?
Nope, it's you and the rest of the MSN chatters. I really find it offensive that you guys don't like how things are run. First of all, I think some people need to not complain when they don't see the whole picture. We warn through PMs. It is no one's business on this board when we warn someone. It is kept private between administration and that member. Rob said something last night to Matt like, "Why doesn't Adam warn this person, this person, this person, and this person? He only warns me." That's a perfect example of someone not seeing the full picture and trying to show that we don't know what we're doing. Just like he was warned through PM, other people were as well... as well as myself. Why this is anyone's business, I do not know? Mike, if one of the administrators were to give you a strict warning for breaking the rules, would you want a whole topic made about it on the board? No.
When you say that, once again, I would like to know what you're talking about. What I meant was I can have an opinion. Notice you don't see me even swearing here, let alone instigating or cursing out other members. I have not been warning people for the same things that I do so get that mentality out of your head. Ben told me that I can not go into nostalgia topics and say I don't like songs when it's obvious I don't like the artists. Something tells me that if some other random poster went in and said "I don't like this because I don't like Eminem," they would not be called out. Why is that a big deal to anyone? I'm honestly flattered that someone's blood pressure rises when a moderator says they don't like a song. A big problem here is that some people need to cool down. This is a message board, not a government. Adam and I are going around looking for things to do other than moderating? Please Mike. We don't even have banning powers. Matt is the only one here who can ban people and he needs proof and a clear explanation. So please direct all this to him. Three people have been banned since the board started. All for one week. All had justifed reasons.
Moderating is keeping this board functioning properly. If we were to let childish arguments run rampant all over this board [instigation, taunting, etc.], this would be a free-for-all. Let's keep a level of professionalism here. This is not a middle school gym class.
I will say this again. Other people have certainly gotten warnings. You guys do not need proof every time someone gets a PM telling them to chill out. It's none of your business. Just as you would not want everyone knowing when you get in trouble. Also, this has only been a problem for a few people here. Do you want to hear that we've warned 50 people? That's what you act like. You're not going to, because most people here manage to behave themselves and not complain. The people here who complain are the people who break the rules.
Excuse me Mike, but that's how this board is run. There is a group of four people here who make a decision. Adam doesn't say "I want Rob banned" and he gets banned. No, there was actually a vote and proof had to be put down. I've never even seen that kind of justice at another board. You cause problems, you get banned. The fact that I even spent atleast a half hour of my time listening to different sides while proof was brought to the table, before I made my decision, should really be considered ridiculous, but consider that a privelege that people are taking their time to give people fair chances. So it really offends me that you act like we made some out of the blue decision. Maybe I just shouldn't waste my time and use my first instinct, or maybe use hearsay.
Welcome to the real world Mike. I bet you've had teachers, professors, maybe bosses in the future that you don't agree with. However they are doing a job and have people making sure they're doing they're job correctly. Notice it's the same small group of people constantly complaining, who coincidentally all chat online together.
I can say, honest to God, no one here is doing anything out of line. Of course you are not going to like when authority bans your friend. I, out of respect for Rob, will not be bringing up all the PMs and everything because it's no one elses business. However, he was warned in PM and he knows how he reacted to that and how he acted after that on the board. So if you want to ask Rob, and if he wants to tell you the truth, great.
I think some people need to have some more respect towards administration and stop making assumptions when they don't see the full picture. That's all.
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Post by George Tropicana on Nov 6, 2003 21:29:18 GMT -5
I don't like Rob being banned. He is cool and maybe deep inside, some people are jealous of that. We shall not forget his posts during the week. We have to stay strong people!
Cate Blanchett said in the "Veronica Guerin" trailer, "If I was to be intimidated, that's mean they've won. And they're not going to win."
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 21:31:56 GMT -5
Excuse me Mike, but when I delete Rob's nonsensical Madonna bashing that's obvious instigating towards Hector in his topic, I have something to hide? I don't think so. I'm keeping the rules in line. Why should Hector have his topic ruined by bashing? I'd really like you to tell me what I'm hiding in that situation... or let's say when another member uses profanity against another. What am I hiding?
Although I am slightly curious about the supposed list of people that complained about Rob on the board though. I'm sure I can name something that some of them has done that I have considered annoying too. |
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 21:38:25 GMT -5
It seems to me that the only people complaining are from a small group of "buddies" online. You guys hate Josh so much that you don't give him a chance. That's no secret. And you also think that since you have a click off the boards, you deserve special treatment on the boards since there's so many of you. It doesn't work that way. When all is said and done you guys are 9 or 10 out of 249 members. No one else is complaining.
Mike, how ironic that you said "what goes on in MSN should not matter on the boards." Then you POST an MSN convo in here. We don't care about it... it has nothing to do with us.
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 21:39:25 GMT -5
R&R had a rule where you could not be the "voice" for banned members. That rule will continue here. Watch your step Mike.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 21:44:54 GMT -5
It seems to me that the only people complaining are from a small group of "buddies" online. You guys hate Josh so much that you don't give him a chance. That's no secret. And you also think that since you have a click off the boards, you deserve special treatment on the boards since there's so many of you. It doesn't work that way. When all is said and done you guys are 9 or 10 out of 249 members. No one else is complaining. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 21:45:53 GMT -5
I do know I said it's no one else's business in my previous post.
Cute.
I think one thing you have to understand is that Ron and Brida never express their opinions on matters. Somehow here, something as small as "I don't like Macy Gray" can cause an uproar because the person is an administrator. That is absolutely ridiculous and is basically proof that people will find any way to complain about the administrators. Another reason for complaining is that some people don't like to see their peers running anything. However this "Josh acts holier than thou" proves that you guys are overreacting because I don't see any administrators acting like that at all. For some reason, having the power to move topics and give warnings makes people think that I have this idea that I am God. ummm... no. Once again, please for the sake of sanity, do not tell me you take this board that seriously that you believe having those kinds of powers equates one to God.
I am speaking to Rob on AIM. If he wants to speak, there is e-mail. There is AIM. There's no need to speak for banned members. They're banned for a reason and the drama should be away from the board, not multiplying.
oooohhh the irony
People treat this board like it's their food, oxygen, and shelter, yet we need to lighten up?
Sorry. There is a difference between being annoying and breaking the rules.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 21:50:50 GMT -5
So Rob broke the rules? I thought he was just being annoying?
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 21:55:35 GMT -5
This is ridculous. Some people have no respect. And it's ALWAYS the same people and ALWAYS the people who are in the "MSN click." I guess you guys feel that you can get away with all your constant complaining since all you have to do is sign on to MSN and tell 5 other people to come on and join in your fun.
Notice that people outside this "MSN click" are not complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 21:55:55 GMT -5
First of all, I don't have "friends" online. But let's take for instance, a member that I talk to on a daily basis on a chat service, Eric. I would honestly have him banned if i I felt it were necessary. I don't know if this is shocking or whatever, but I don't care that much for anyone online that I would freak out when they get banned. They obviously did something to deserve it. I'm not going to defend them. I'm my own person. They're their own person. Let them deal with it.
No. If it was a rule at R&R, it's a rule here too. You know that. People will say "But at R&R...," until it becomes no longer convenient to say that.
However, you are talking about things that you wouldn't even know had he not told you. This is not your own opinion. This is your opinion through what Rob has already told you. Like I've said, if you don't see the full picture, you really should not be acting like you know everything that is going on. Believe me. Things are under control. No administrator is being biased, which seems to a new idea that people are having.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 6, 2003 21:59:05 GMT -5
I suppose I'll give up now, there's nothing left for me to say only that it seems like Jersey Boy is bitter that there is an MSN "click" or something. He was apart of it when he first got MSN and as far as I'm concerned, still is now... although since he got this moderator job he doesn't seem to talk to us much anymore. hmmm....
Do what you guys want as moderator anyway. I suppose you're doing a good enough job.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 21:59:44 GMT -5
Rob doesn't want this topic to be about him anymore and I respect his wish there. So please, he knows what he did and I'm not airing it all over this board because it's no one else's business.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2003 22:05:19 GMT -5
He's not bitter. It's just hard not to notice that the people complaining are the "MSN Clique".
Additionally, he doesn't use MSN because he has trouble with it. Also, don't you agree that maybe he has other things to do? I'm sure he's busy with school and busy with friendships and doesn't have that much time to talk to people on MSN just to maintain his level of approval.
So you complained and then changed your mind just like that? I am please that you are able to see another side, but it's kind of confusing at the same time that you argued so much and then changed your mind.
But thank you for sharing your side and listening to ours. It's best to work things out and be able to see all sides.
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 22:07:32 GMT -5
I suppose I'll give up now, there's nothing left for me to say only that it seems like Jersey Boy is bitter that there is an MSN "click" or something. He was apart of it when he first got MSN and as far as I'm concerned, still is now... although since he got this moderator job he doesn't seem to talk to us much anymore. hmmm....
Ummm, I probably went in there maybe 10 times over the course of a year. Not every day and night like you some of you. And I won't even dignify the last part of your statement. I have a life off the boards, and being a "moderator" doesn't affect the way I think and act like some of you seem to do based solely on these boards. LOL @ even the concept. |
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Post by BlahBlahBlah on Nov 6, 2003 22:08:01 GMT -5
It seems to me that the only people complaining are from a small group of "buddies" online. You guys hate Josh so much that you don't give him a chance. That's no secret. And you also think that since you have a click off the boards, you deserve special treatment on the boards since there's so many of you. It doesn't work that way. When all is said and done you guys are 9 or 10 out of 249 members. No one else is complaining.
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Post by allow that on Nov 6, 2003 22:10:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the amount of monitoring/censoring on this board is much more than necessary. [/font][/color][/quote] Okay, then what would you do? Should we change because you want us to? Because seriously... we deleted posts in a grand total of maybe 8 or 9 topics ever. And that was so we didnt have to lock those topics. You make it sound like it's an every day, every hour occurence. |
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Post by BlahBlahBlah on Nov 6, 2003 22:12:01 GMT -5
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