WhySoSerious?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 7, 2003 0:11:51 GMT -5
I go out for the night and come back and this thing is four pages long.
Folks this is a message board. It's not that big of a deal really. I've read through here and I honestly all I see is a bunch of bitching. I can't even make heads or tails out of why you guys are angry.
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Radical347
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Post by Radical347 on Nov 7, 2003 0:59:04 GMT -5
It seems to me that the only people complaining are from a small group of "buddies" online. You guys hate Josh so much that you don't give him a chance. That's no secret. And you also think that since you have a click off the boards, you deserve special treatment on the boards since there's so many of you. It doesn't work that way. When all is said and done you guys are 9 or 10 out of 249 members. No one else is complaining. If for no other reason than to disprove that theory, here goes: I'm not part of that "click" and I don't like how things are being run here. I don't know if it's due to the personalities of some of the moderators but some of them seem to take their duty way too seriously. I too have gotten the sense that posts have been mysteriously deleted, and when JerseyBoy edited IshOntheRadio's post he added something to the extent of the word was edited out because "it's a kind of word that we don't use here." You keep on saying that the same rules were in place on R&R are in place here and I haven't seen anything like that on R&R. When someone got banned on R&R I think everyone else knew it was coming and almost nodoby disagreed with it, whereas here you have some brash and sudden decisions made. There's already a 60-reply topic on why one of the members got banned. The only people that have posted in favor of the ban have been moderators and while I don't know the whole story, I suspect that if what Rob64 did was barely visible then I don't think it could have been that bad. I personally don't care, but I also suspect that I'm right due to the moderators' constant vagueness. If JerseyBoy had to make a special topic just to tell people to quit IMing him about it then obviously there are plenty of others that don't agree with the ban. The Rebirth Experience said he said he shut UMG down because people weren't happy with the way he was managing things there. So I became uneasy when he became a moderator here -- because who's to say that those same people won't be unhappy this time around? I've also seen two of the moderators bicker at each other in one or two topics. It hasn't been very many, but I don't think moderators doing that is a good sign at all.
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Post by allow that on Nov 7, 2003 1:03:53 GMT -5
If JerseyBoy had to make a special topic just to tell people to quit IMing him about it then obviously there are plenty of others that don't agree with the ban. . Actually only one member and it was Rob64 himself. Andhe literally sent me IMs at the rate of 3 or 4 a minute.
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Post by allow that on Nov 7, 2003 1:27:44 GMT -5
when JerseyBoy edited IshOntheRadio's post he added something to the extent of the word was edited out because "it's a kind of word that we don't use here." The one time I edited another member's post. And I'll say I did IshOnTheRadio a favor by doing that. He used a blatant homophobic word. He could have been banned for that. But instead all I did was edit out the word. The irony. If you notice the 60 pages aren't exacly all replies, but posts going back and forth between, for the most part, te same 4 members out of 249 registered users. Then what are JCMF3 and irice22? That's right, you don't. Rob64 received many PMs over the past week that explained what he was doing wrongly. He ignored those warnings. And he replied to those warnings in a very defying manner. He was warned partially to what he posted on the boards. Additionally, there have been some member complaints regarding Rob64 (and no I will NOT disclose by who... if one of them were from you, would YOU want me to disclose it?)
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Post by Matt4319 on Nov 7, 2003 1:30:00 GMT -5
This thread is way too long to look through again and find the post that I could quote, but I'm going to address the issue of deleting posts.
There are three options a moderator or administrator can take when a thread goes too far off-topic (in a bad way).
1. Let the thread continue on its path. 2. Lock the topic. 3. Delete offensive and grossly off-topic posts.
Let's analyze each of the options and see who they affect.
Option 1 is not fair to the creator of the topic. He/she wants to discuss topic X, and won't like it if his thread is hijacked because of a stupid argument.
Option 2 is not fair to the other people (i.e., the ones not arguing). Maybe they had an opinion on the topic, but it was ruined and then closed due to needless bickering.
Option 3 is not fair to the people who got their posts deleted. They have a bone to pick with another user and by God, they're going to say what they want.
It's fairly obvious (to me, at least) that Option 3 -- removing inflammatory posts from the topic and letting it continue -- is the best option. And before you scream "censorship", let me remind you that posting on the boards is not your God-given right. To use a more extreme example, would it be fine for someone to post endless racial slurs, or to post private information about someone like a credit card PIN? No, of course not. Truth is, we could delete any post we wanted to, but we use a proper amount of discretion.
I feel bad for Adam and Josh because they happened to be here while this thread kept getting longer. I was gone for most of the night while Adam and Josh got the brunt of the blame for everything. They were following my directions. They're not on a "power trip" or anything like that. So I'd appreciate it if people would show them respect. They are trying their best to do a good job, and so am I.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 7, 2003 1:54:53 GMT -5
Lol...and he was all set to be a moderator on that other board, too. Maybe he's just mad that he doesn't get to be one here.
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Post by Keith3000 on Nov 7, 2003 2:06:37 GMT -5
First of all, is it really that big a deal that Rob was banned?! I mean dude, it's only for a week, and when he returns he'll have learned his lesson. If a member has been given warnings and doesn't pay attention, then naturally banning is justified. Wow, 5 pages is a lot of replies---or should I say arguments! Cool it people. As far as deleting posts go, Matt's right and there is absolutely nothing wrong with deleting offensive posts in this forum, especialy ones containing swears aimed at people. I do agree, though, that whenever a moderator deletes a post, he should inform the member with a PM, this along with the warning. And another thing you guys---these moderators are really doing a good job and you shouldn't continuously be on their case on these issuses. It's obviously not easy being a moderator and certainly not an administrator in that it takes up a considerable amount of free time. These guys do have outside lives and other interests and certainly do not need to be bugged about board issues 24/7. Matt, Adam, Josh, and Tony have all been dong fine jobs as mods---Tony of course, when he has the time---and we should all respect their decisions on board matters.
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Post by Radical347 on Nov 7, 2003 3:23:25 GMT -5
Then what are JCMF3 and irice22? All they said was they support what the moderators do. Explain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2003 8:02:40 GMT -5
The Rebirth Experience said he said he shut UMG down because people weren't happy with the way he was managing things there. So I became uneasy when he became a moderator here -- because who's to say that those same people won't be unhappy this time around? No, it was because the board was going to run me several hundred dollars a month. Even with people willing to donate money, I was not going to have people donating money to support a board full of bickering. This board is free and you're not going to have some 15 year old trying to pull in $700 a month to support a website for a bunch of complainers. That's something else that offends me that people make it seem like that was so horrible of me. Yeah, I should really spend a huge lump of money on a bunch of people I don't even know so I can hear them complain about me. The final straw was when someone was purposely raising my bill by refreshing my website over and over. Am I going to pay for some idiot to do that? Seriously. Think this over before you act like I made a bad decision closing down UMG.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2003 8:07:04 GMT -5
He used a blatant homophobic word. He could have been banned for that. But instead all I did was edit out the word. Not to mention that the owner of ProBoards monitors this board and it will be deleted if people start using racist or homophobic language. Exactly. "full picture"
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Post by Ragin on Nov 7, 2003 9:48:40 GMT -5
I go out for the night and come back and this thing is four pages long. Folks this is a message board. It's not that big of a deal really. I've read through here and I honestly all I see is a bunch of bitching. I can't even make heads or tails out of why you guys are angry. Exactly. This is a board where we discuss music. WE have differing opinions and sometimes it gets heated. Big deal. Move on, I say. Advice to some of the mods: By giving this the time of day and trying to explain yourself, you open it up to more discussion and more complaining. You are the mods, if you want to explain keep it short and to the point and leave it at that.
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Post by allow that on Nov 7, 2003 10:22:33 GMT -5
I gladly will. We are not getting paid to be moderators. It is not our "job." We are doing it to help Matt maintain his site. We are doing it as a favor. It should be a non-issue. Then we have people complaining over every little thing. They seriously over analyze everything. Conspiract theories about "Adam doesn't use MSN because he's a moderator." Ummm, sure. I mean statements like that me wonder how some people even think. Then there's the constant complaining. Why did you do this? Why didn't you do that? It never ends. So we try to answer them. Then the irony comes in with the fact that then we have to listen to those same people tell US that WE take out moderating "jobs" too seriously. To those people I'll just say, get a grip.
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Post by allow that on Nov 7, 2003 10:25:10 GMT -5
Advice to some of the mods: By giving this the time of day and trying to explain yourself, you open it up to more discussion and more complaining. You are the mods, if you want to explain keep it short and to the point and leave it at that. You're right. If a topic like this opens again, I'm just avoiding it. We did not owe anyone an explanation about Rob besides Rob himself.... and even if Rob doesn't know why, let's just say it was explained to him several times.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 7, 2003 18:34:10 GMT -5
Actually only one member and it was Rob64 himself. Andhe literally sent me IMs at the rate of 3 or 4 a minute. So Rob sent you 3 or 4 PMs a minute for how many minutes? 10? 15? You know he can't reply here to defend himself but he tells me that you're lying and that the most he sent was maybe 4 or 5 in total once you stopped responding. If someone hit you 4 times in one minute, you wouldn't go around saying "He was hitting me 4 times a minute" because that's not looking at the big picture!
And before you go mentioning about how I'm relaying the opinions of a banned member and that's against the law, you shouldn't be talking crap about a banned member of whom you know can't defend themself.
That is all. :)
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Post by allow that on Nov 7, 2003 20:00:18 GMT -5
Wow you don't give up. This thread has died down completely until you open it back up again.... I'm starting to think you are intentionally looking for drama.
First of all, I don't care if Rob sent ONE!! IM. It is not my responsibility to talk to him there. AIM has nothing to do with the boards.
Having said that, Rob didn't send me just one IM. He sent me many and to be honest, I have more important things to worry about. I don't understand your "full picture" comment either. Rob won't be IMing me anymore as I have him blocked. It is not my obligation to talk to him off the boards.
Finally, how can you say Rob only Imed me 3 or 4 times? He probably sent me about a total of 20 messages or so for 5 minutes until I clicked on "Block."
Enough now... really.
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