CHR/Pop Chart 1/23/04

[Cerebro]

Sticky, please. ;)

S'pose now is as good a time as any to start looking at the next chart.

"The Way You Move" has now moved up to #2, giving OutKast the top two spots. And since it's still gaining 1000+, I think it's pretty much a given at this point that they will replace themselves (or, technically, Big Boi will replace Andre) on top in a couple weeks time.

It's looking more and more like Christina will have to settle for a #11 peak. The top 10 seems fairly competitive and Linkin Park will be leap-frogging her in no time.

Santana (#20) and Evanescence (#21) are, currently, about 120 spins apart. Hopefully, the gap can close by Sunday night and the former can go recurrent (good song, but it's been on the chart long enough). I'd be happy as a clam to see Lil' Jon go, too. But it seems we'll be stuck with him for another week.

At the bottom of the chart, Kylie Minogue will debut and G Unit should, officially, claim a top 50 spot (they snuck up to #49 during one of the unpublished weeks, but got kicked off).

[irice22]

I'm hoping Evanescence can make Top 20 this week which seems very likely.

Good for Jessia Simpson on her unexpected third Top 10 hit!

[j]

Cerebro said:

It's looking more and more like Christina will have to settle for a #11 peak. The top 10 seems fairly competitive and Linkin Park will be leap-frogging her in no time.

What's Christina's official R&R peak, not counting the break and not counting midweek positions? I thought it was #12. Well, who cares? It's not Top 10 and a miss is as good as a mile, as the old adage goes. Good riddance, and welcome the return of Linkin Park to the Top 10.

[Keith3000]

So "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" are #1 and #2 respectively (they've held that position on the Hot 100 for over a month now). Do you think TWYM will go all the way on either chart? When was the last time an artist replaced itself as #1 on the CHR chart, or even had the top 2 positions on the chart?

[mst3k]

Announcements said:

What's Christina's official R&R peak, not counting the break and not counting midweek positions? I thought it was #12.

It is, so far. If she stays ahead of Linkin Park until Sunday night, she'll grab #11. I give it a 50/50 shot at this point.

[FreakyFlyBry]

Updates:

Evanescence now up to #18
Staind finally lose their bullet (but will they have it back?)
Santana is out of the top 20, but Lil' Jon is only 25 spins away with a greater loss; one of them will go recurrent
Britney's up to +1000
Pink lost her bullet :(
Hilary Duff is now 9 spots away from G-Unit and will enter the top 50 once either Santana or Lil' Jon goes recurrent
Sarah Connor is in the top 50 :o

[msanoja]

FreakyFlyBry said:

Pink lost her bullet :(

Yeah...sucks. But hey guys, I have a question; how come all the bullets (with the exception of maybe Toxic) have been getting progressively smaller and smaller. Wasn't it like a day and half ago when Outkast had a +1000 bullet with The Way You Move? Eamon was in the 700s and now is in the 200s, Beyonce was in the 300-400s and is now in the 100s. This is so weird. Any reason for it? It's been happening for awhile now. They go up, then they go down.

[JCMF3]

msanoja said:

But hey guys, I have a question; how come all the bullets (with the exception of maybe Toxic) have been getting progressively smaller and smaller. Wasn't it like a day and half ago when Outkast had a +1000 bullet with The Way You Move? Eamon was in the 700s and now is in the 200s, Beyonce was in the 300-400s and is now in the 100s. This is so weird. Any reason for it? It's been happening for awhile now. They go up, then they go down.

It might have to do with some radical effects fromt he year-end countdowns that were radically changing the numbers last week and making huge bullets last week and now those are much less. But yes, this is weird behavior for sure.

[JCMF3]

Keith3000 said:

When was the last time an artist replaced itself as #1 on the CHR chart, or even had the top 2 positions on the chart?

This has never happened on the CHR chart, nor did the same artist ever hold the top 2 positions on the CHR chart. However, as far as I am concerned, "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" do not qualify for these records because they are not sung by "Outkast" but instead two solo members of the duo. I don't understand why R&R and Mediabase are treating the two singles like this...

[Cerebro]

JCMF3 said:

This has never happened on the CHR chart,...

Actually, it has. The only time it happened was in 1978. The Bee Gees replaced themselves when "Night Fever" took the top spot from "Stayin' Alive".

...nor did the same artist ever hold the top 2 positions on the CHR chart.

While I've never seen the actual charts, I'd assume that the two aforementioned songs may have claimed the top 2 sometime around that transition.

[irice22]

FreakyFlyBry said:

Evanescence now up to #18

This was a pleasent surprise this morning!

[JCMF3]

Cerebro said:

Actually, it has. The only time it happened was in 1978. The Bee Gees replaced themselves when "Night Fever" took the top spot from "Stayin' Alive".

I should have said the CHR/POP chart. I don't think that is what it was called it 1978. And was that on the R&R chart or on Billboard or both?

[Libra]

I can only assume that it is from R&R; I'm guessing Cerebro's source is the Archive site (which is R&R).

Please correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

[Hervard]

MikeK102 said:

I can only assume that it is from R&R; I'm guessing Cerebro's source is the Archive site (which is R&R).

Please correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

In 1978, the R&R chart was called Top 40 (which is ironic, seeing that the R&R chart only listed 30 songs back then). And the Bee Gees replaced themselves on the R&R chart only. On the Billboard chart, the two songs went to number one, but in between was "Love Is Thicker Than Water" by brother Andy Gibb, which did not top the R&R chart. But the Bee Gees did hold the top two spots on R&R during the transition. And on Billboard, the week "Night Fever" hit number one, "Stayin' Alive" leaped back to number two and spent five or six weeks there.

[Cerebro]

JCMF3 said:

I should have said the CHR/POP chart. I don't think that is what it was called it 1978.

True, it wasn't called the CHR/Pop chart then. But still, for all intents and purposes, it's the same chart.

And was that on the R&R chart or on Billboard or both?

Just R&R (and this is the only incidence of "self-replacement" in that chart's history). On Billboard, both Bee Gees songs were interrupted by Andy Gibb's "Love Is Thicker Than Water" (but at least they were keeping it in the family ;) ).

I think there were a handful for self-replacement incidents on Billboard's chart. The most notable would have to be when The Beatles did it "twice consecutively" -- "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "She Loves You", and "Can't Buy Me Love" replaced each other and were back-to-back-to-back number ones.

And you talk about the same artist holding down the top 2. Go back to the weekend of April 4, 1964 to see that the Beatles didn't stop at the top 2, or the top 3. No, they had to go and claim the entire top 5.

[Matt4319]

JCMF3 said:

However, as far as I am concerned, "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" do not qualify for these records because they are not sung by "Outkast" but instead two solo members of the duo. I don't understand why R&R and Mediabase are treating the two singles like this...

I see your point, but would you be saying the same thing if both songs had been on the same actual CD, instead of one CD with all Andre songs and another with all Big Boi songs? Like it or not, it's still "OutKast". My guess is this isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened either (not an artist having the top 2 songs, but different members of a group having different CDs of just their material).

[DuckHead]

Cerebro said:

I think there were a handful for self-replacement incidents on Billboard's chart. The most notable would have to be when The Beatles did it "twice consecutively" -- "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "She Loves You", and "Can't Buy Me Love" replaced each other and were back-to-back-to-back number ones.

And you talk about the same artist holding down the top 2. Go back to the weekend of April 4, 1964 to see that the Beatles didn't stop at the top 2, or the top 3. No, they had to go and claim the entire top 5.

Wow! The entire Top 5, huh? That's impressive. They must've been pretty popular... ;)

[JCMF3]

Matt4319 said:

I see your point, but would you be saying the same thing if both songs had been on the same actual CD, instead of one CD with all Andre songs and another with all Big Boi songs?

As long as both members of Outkast contributed to the song, then I would be fine with it. Why would a solo song be included on one CD labeled by a group? That would be like Justin Timberlake putting one of his solo songs on an *N Sync album. Yes, on most *N Sync songs JT did sing LEAD, but the other band members were still contributing to the vocals (even if it was a minimum of "oooh: and "ahhh"). The point is that the track was a reflection of the whole group. Hey Ya! and The Way You Move are NOT using the members of Outkast together in them.

Like it or not, it's still "OutKast".

No, it isn't. That would be like me saying that JT is still *N Sync or that if Rob Thomas puts out a solo album, we can just call it "matchbox twenty". Should we credit "Rock Your Body" to *N Sync?

[Matt4319]

JCMF3 said:

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. You know why? Because it says "OutKast" on the CD cover. It doesn't say "Andre 3000" and "Big Boi", it says "OutKast". That's all there is to it.

[mst3k]

JCMF3 said:

That would be like me saying that JT is still *N Sync or that if Rob Thomas puts out a solo album, we can just call it "matchbox twenty". Should we credit "Rock Your Body" to *N Sync?

No... unless Jive had released "Rock Your Body" with 'N Sync listed as the artist, in which case we could complain all we want but the charts would rightfully show the artist as 'N Sync (R&R and Mediabase really have no say in the matter).

[Keith3000]

JCMF3, I see your point, but then again I'd have to agree with Matt. If both "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" were on one OutKast CD, it would be easier to see both tracks as being by the same artist.

Cerebro's example of the Beatles got me thinking. I know this is kind of going back a long way, but the Beatles' #1 hit "Let It Be" was basically a Paul McCartney solo and their next #1 hit, "Something" was a George Harrison solo. Both tracks were credited to the band though. I realize it's not quite the same thing because the songs didn't occupy the top 2 positions on the chart at the same time, but hey, they were the Beatles---if both singles were released at the same time, I'm sure one would have replaced the other at the top.

In other news, "Numb" is edging closer to the Top 10 with the most recent update...great to see Linkin Park back up there!

[FreakyFlyBry]

mst3k1 said:

No... unless Jive had released "Rock Your Body" with 'N Sync listed as the artist, in which case we could complain all we want but the charts would rightfully show the artist as 'N Sync (R&R and Mediabase really have no say in the matter).

Kinda like how "Gone" was practically a Justin song, but credited to 'N Sync.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

My question is are both songs COMPLETELY 100% independent of the other member? Absolutely no input whatsoever?

I'm with Matt on this though. Both songs are still labeled as Outkast and both songs come from the same CD packaging. Both songs appear on the CD single that bares the title of both tracks (TWYM/HY).

I hope Evanescence get to the Top 10 with this track.

How many weeks has 'Hey Ya' been #1 now?

[DuckHead]

The said:

How many weeks has 'Hey Ya' been #1 now?

"Hey Ya!" has been # 1 for 5 weeks. This coming week's chart will be week # 6.

[j]

See this week's Chart Beat Chat with Fred Bronson on billboard.com about groups getting credit for the work of solo artists. I had no idea "Yesterday" was Paul McCartney-only.

[TheJakes]

www.billboard.com/bb/chartbeat/chat.jsp

OUR KAST OF KHARACTERS

Hi Fred,

Can you clear up some confusion I have regarding the two OutKast singles that have been No. 1 and No. 2 the last several weeks?

Both "Hey Ya" and "The Way You Move" are credited to the group OutKast, yet it is my understanding that the albums they come from are billed as "solo" projects by Andre 3000 & Big Boi, the two members of OutKast.

Regardless of whether the two albums are sold bundled together, why are the respective singles not credited to the individual member? For instance, if Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland chart solo singles at the same time, they do not credit them as "Destiny's Child," nor would Glenn Frey and Don Henley bill solo singles as "Eagles" singles.

This could have a bearing on the rare achievement of "one" act occupying the top two spots on Billboard's Hot 100 at the same time so anything you could explain about this would help!

Thanks,

George G. Kitchens III
Sunbury, Pa.
[e-mail]

Dear George,

The difference between "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" and solo efforts from Beyoncé and Kelly or Glenn and Don is that the current songs are credited to OutKast, not to Andre 3000 and/or Big Boi.

While the two members of OutKast did record separate solo albums and bundled them together as one double-CD, they still released the record under the OutKast name. Billboard follows label credits, so if the songs had been released as "Hey Ya!" by Andre 3000 and "The Way You Move" as by Big Boi, that's how you would have seen them on the chart.

This would not be the first case of an individual from a group recording a song and releasing it under the group name. Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong don't appear on "Someday We'll Be Together," but the song is credited to Diana Ross & the Supremes. Grace Slick and Mickey Thomas recorded "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now," but the song is credited to Starship. Perhaps the best example is the Beatles' "Yesterday," which is actually a solo recording by Paul McCartney.

[ExActLy99]

Now that "The Way You Move" has slown down quite a bit, Nickelback still may have a shot at getting #1 after "The Way You Move."
Britney Spears came out of nowhere with "Toxic" She probably will hit the Top 20 next week, could she get a Top 10? There isn't much in front of her except Evanescence and Linkin Park (who'll may make Top 10 next week) It seems like many of the biggest gainers are in the Top 10.
I'm just going to give up on Sarah McLachlan's chances of making Top 40, even though she still has a very small bullet, but she has had than forever and this song isn't going anywhere position wise.

[PerPlexied]

Regarding Toxic, I think it just might give Britney the big hit at Pop she's been waiting for. Fans and non-fans alike enjoy this song, from what I've heard. Plus, the video has gotten a great reaction and will definitely boost interest in the song.

I finally heard "My Immortal" last week and it has quickly become a favorite of mine. The harmonies are gorgeous. I want this to go Top 5.

[insect2]

The said:

My question is are both songs COMPLETELY 100% independent of the other member? Absolutely no input whatsoever?

I'm not sure about this, but I think Big Boi appears at the beginning of the "Hey Ya" video. I don't think that reciprocates though.

[Bcacb]

insect2 said:

I'm not sure about this, but I think Big Boi appears at the beginning of the "Hey Ya" video. I don't think that reciprocates though.

Yeah, I don't see Andre 3000 anywhere in "The Way You Move".

Thanks,
Ben