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Post by Ragin on Feb 3, 2004 16:16:15 GMT -5
To most of my friends with kids and my sis you has children it wasn't a big deal. They were offended at first but they've cooled off since. They said the media was making more out what happened than was there. I know it wasn't as big as we thought at first. It was a push-up after all!
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 3, 2004 16:21:40 GMT -5
LOL! You're pretty middle of the road Ragin. What's your honest opinion and what should be done by the FCC and all those involed?
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Post by Ragin on Feb 3, 2004 16:50:52 GMT -5
LOL! You're pretty middle of the road Ragin. What's your honest opinion and what should be done by the FCC and all those involed? What should be done is that MTV and CBS should be fined a modest sum by the FCC and then just forget about the whole thing. Unfortunately, what will happen is that they will all play the blame game for a little while longer, MTV may even refuse to air Janet's videos etc. It's stupid. Maybe it's just me but it seems as time goes on media and public reaction just sways violently one way and then the other. Reason gets thrown out the window. It's really hard to take a moderate stand on an issue anymore.
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Post by af18c on Feb 3, 2004 16:57:31 GMT -5
nope...
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 3, 2004 17:27:42 GMT -5
Yeah you are probably right.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 3, 2004 19:57:38 GMT -5
The outrage is that kids of all ages are watching this thing, and just as you'd be outraged if a grown man exposed himself to some small children at a playground, you can see where people would be outraged that Janet was exposed to kids also. I'm not so sure though. I agree with the man comparison but all that was showed of Janet was her boob. If her downstairs was accidently showed, THEN it would be something to get mad over. Award shows and basically any TV show nowadays show so much boob that there's nothing left to the imagination. Magazines, CD covers, etc, etc.
I have to agree with Adonis on this one. There are songs on the radio that promote things like drug use and sex and all that, not to mention TV shows and whatnot. Seeing someone's breast isn't going to damage them for life. This is just something for people to complain about.
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Post by insect2 on Feb 3, 2004 22:24:29 GMT -5
Here's what I think. It's shameful and reprehensible that Janet Jackson's right breast was exposed on TV for about 1 second, yet it's OK for people on Survivor, which aired right after the Super Bowl to walk around buck naked. I realize the private parts are digitally obscured when aired, but why don't people get up in arms about that.
Speaking of which, are people still up in arms over this? Surprisingly, I don't think I've heard this mentioned anywhere at school. Even in all the post-Super Bowl talk, it was never brought up.
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Post by Zander on Feb 4, 2004 3:44:13 GMT -5
Speaking of which, are people still up in arms over this? Surprisingly, I don't think I've heard this mentioned anywhere at school. Even in all the post-Super Bowl talk, it was never brought up. Actually at this point I'm pretty sure it's only the media, the FCC and maybe CBS who are still talking about it. Which is good enough publicity for Janet and her new album, I'm sure.
Anyone 'outraged' by this is just acting exactly the way Janet and her people were hoping they would, because those are the only people keeping this in the public eye at this point.
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 4, 2004 6:27:09 GMT -5
Here's what I think. It's shameful and reprehensible that Janet Jackson's right breast was exposed on TV for about 1 second, yet it's OK for people on Survivor, which aired right after the Super Bowl to walk around buck naked. I realize the private parts are digitally obscured when aired, but why don't people get up in arms about that. There's your answer. That was taped, this was live. If there were some way for CBS to blur the breast on some kind of delay, I bet there wouldn't be one-tenth the kind of uproar there is over this.
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Post by krazymack on Feb 4, 2004 7:30:43 GMT -5
Janet should have been more responsible to let her boob pop out like that. I'm sorry, I don't care what anyone says. The incident was an accident my ass. It is a pathetic that a performance has to be sexual in order to get folks talking about the incident. It can't ever be a performance where an artist is phenomenal solely by their dancing and singing.
I think she is a loser for even wanting her boob falling out like that in order to get attention for her album. What a “frickin'” disgusting way to get noticed. For this reason, I'll add her to my list of pop whores.
I've had fourth graders drooling over the incident. It's like these artists are testing society’s limit to see how far they can go. It's so sick how the whole music industry has become saturated and obsessed with sex.
I admit I like many racy songs, but I feel that enough is enough sometimes. If it was on MTV it might have been ok. But on primetime television, where people were simply expecting a “G” rated half time performance. All sorts of people were watching that program from young to old and she had to pull a slutty stunt like that. Janet gets added to the loser list for 2004.
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Post by ClassicCase on Feb 4, 2004 10:54:01 GMT -5
Krazymack, that is well spoken for. Unfortunately I didn't see the incident on TV, therefore I was at work. I did manage to see what the hoopla was all about on some of the news broadcasted on the internet or the major cable and TV networks the next morning and when I heard that the "oopsie-boobsie" that shocked the whole world and the children that watched it, I was getting close to having a triple bypass of it. I'm with you on this one and I could not agree with you any further. This display of showmanship was suppose to be in good taste, but unlike the Britney 55-hour marriage, this takes the whole damn cake (can you say--"devil's food?") If a progranm that involved either full-frontal or partial nudity, that's understandable for premium cable channels, but on network prime time TV---that's not EVEN happening until Super Bowl XXXVIII! In my opinion, I believe that Viacom (parent of CBS and its cousin MTV) are the ones that literally were caught with their pants WAY down! The NFL comissioner, stated that the half time show was embarassing to the league and its fans which is quite understandable. Maybe next time, CBS may have to think twice of perhaps putting that freakshow on Showtime (or "Ho-time!") just like that with The Reagans.
And here's another thing. In the lyric of Justin Timberlake's Rock Your Body where he says, "I'll have you naked at the end of this song," where he was suppose to grab just the breast plate of Janet's gladiator outfit (I believe that there's was suppose to be some form of bra Janet was suppose to wear underneath it, though I could be wrong), little did he realize, he doesn't know his own grip. Then he turns around, apologizes for the "wardrobe malfunction." I mean---Justin, that's bullshit! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A F**KING WARDROBE MALFUNCTION!! MACHINES MALFUNCTION WHEN IT SHOWS A TECHNICAL DEFECT, NOT CLOTHES!!!! Then the next day, Janet apologized, and apologized AND APOLOGIZED!!! Baby, sorry does NOT feed the bulldog at "anytime nor anyplace"!!! I mean you two knew the standards of this and you cost CBS and its afilliated stations millions of dollars. NBC needs the NFL back.
As a broadcster, I'm starting to lose faith in the tastelessness of two well known recording artists. What's worse, I feel way less than sorry for the poor CBS affiliates that had to pay the price for this haneous (sp?) so-called incident that went awry in which they'd abruptly allowed. And I thought Michael Jackson had all the troubles in the world. Man was I wrong. Furthermore, I also predict CBS will be slipping in the ratings at least for awhile.
Here's my prediction on Janet's new album. I listened to her new single Monday and it was okay. The downside of this is that her album sales will decrease somewhere in the 40,000s or less. I respect Janet as an artist, but after the "bare" moment of halftime at Super Bowl XXXVIII, it will take a great deal of healing and time for us to forgive Ms. Jackson (who WAS getting nasty on live primetime TV which is deemed shameful) and a hell of a long time for to regain respect from her fans.
I wouldn't be surprised if radio stations stopped playing her music, but I guess that's up to programming. For me, I'm pondering about it.
Bare (pun intended) in mind, that this is just my big 2 cents of this crap. And my humble apologies should I have deepened this thought out of my soapbox. There is a saying that I live by at times: If it's offensive on free TV, look the other way or stare at a blank wall! Or if you are like me and missed the whole thing together, just thank God that you did miss that mess.
Janet......the backlash is forthcoming!
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2004 16:30:15 GMT -5
I think Janet may need to wait a couple more years to release an album. People are not going to get over this that fast.
Classic what do you and Krazymack think Janet needs to do to patch things up with the American public?
I don't like what Janet did any more than you all do but I am glad she took full responsibility for her actions while all the others were pointing fingers at each other. Way to show class after such a classless mistake, Janet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2004 16:40:57 GMT -5
Janet's album will sell exactly the same as it would have sold prior to the incident. The people who buy a Janet Jackson album know that there is usually sexually explicit material on the album, so a breast flash on television is not going to change your opinion. I don't know many of her core fanbase that is offended. It seems to be older people and parents of young children, those of who would not be purchasing the album anyway.
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Post by Ragin on Feb 4, 2004 17:22:13 GMT -5
Janet's album will sell exactly the same as it would have sold prior to the incident. The people who buy a Janet Jackson album know that there is usually sexually explicit material on the album, so a breast flash on television is not going to change your opinion. I don't know many of her core fanbase that is offended. It seems to be older people and parents of young children, those of who would not be purchasing the album anyway. Well my wife is a big Janet Jackson fan, and I know it is expressly because of this incident that she says she will not purchase her next album. So you are wrong. It will NOT sell exactly the same had the incident not occurred, because it will be off by at least one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2004 17:23:26 GMT -5
Well my wife is a big Janet Jackson fan, and I know it is expressly because of this incident that she says she will not purchase her next album. So you are wrong. It will NOT sell exactly the same had the incident not occurred, because it will be off by at least one. ...and then there are also people who I know who weren't going to buy it until she did what she did. So it will make up for it.
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Post by Ragin on Feb 4, 2004 17:32:15 GMT -5
...and then there are also people who I know who weren't going to buy it until she did what she did. So it will make up for it. I was waiting for that. I agree with it actually, I just happen to think there are more young fans of Janet Jackson that won't be purchasing it than you think. What the stunt does do is remind people that Janet Jackson is around. So when her album drops people that want it will know it is there. You'd be amazed how many potential customers simply don't know an album is out there.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2004 17:32:16 GMT -5
No it won't. Janet has ruined her career forever.
From the Entertainment Tonight website...
ET is breaking news that JANET JACKSON will not be attending this Sunday's Grammy® Awards after all. Sources tell ET that Miss Jackson was scheduled to present the tribute to LUTHER VANDROSS, but since Luther is unable to attend the event due to his health, Jackson has been told her services are no longer needed.
This sends a horrible message to young ladies all over the world. Its ok for a guy to rip your clothes off and you will get in trouble for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2004 17:37:53 GMT -5
No it won't. Janet has ruined her career forever. From the Entertainment Tonight website... ET is breaking news that JANET JACKSON will not be attending this Sunday's Grammy® Awards after all. Sources tell ET that Miss Jackson was scheduled to present the tribute to LUTHER VANDROSS, but since Luther is unable to attend the event due to his health, Jackson has been told her services are no longer needed. This sends a horrible message to young ladies all over the world. Its ok for a guy to rip your clothes off and you will get in trouble for it. LMAO Chris, introducing a performance is not going to sell her tons of copies. If she was scheduled to perform, maybe, but she's not.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2004 17:39:31 GMT -5
LMAO Chris, introducing a performance is not going to sell her tons of copies. If she was scheduled to perform, maybe, but she's not. Yeah but that's not the message it sends sorry. I dont like the message it sends. Cancelling her and not cancelling Justin is just WRONG! I'm sorry but that's not right to women and its not right to black women.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2004 17:41:12 GMT -5
Yeah but that's not the message it sends sorry. I dont like the message it sends. Cancelling her and not cancelling Justin is just WRONG! Yeah, but that's not going to be a public backlash. The television industry is the only noticeable backlash so far. Her song is blowing up on radio and everyone is talking about her.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 4, 2004 18:03:37 GMT -5
I'm so mad that I'm going to buy 10 Janet albums when they come out! I was only going to buy one but I'm really pissed.
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Post by insect2 on Feb 4, 2004 18:35:15 GMT -5
There's your answer. That was taped, this was live. If there were some way for CBS to blur the breast on some kind of delay, I bet there wouldn't be one-tenth the kind of uproar there is over this. But they're still naked. The fact that their penises or breasts or whatever are obscured doesn't change that. I'm just saying that, to me, it seems like CBS is playing both sides. If the Survivor nudity is OK, why isn't this? Because they didn't expect it? I should add that I'm not really as concerned about this issue as I sound like. I'm just trying to make conversation. ;)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2004 8:27:37 GMT -5
MTV will no longer be playing any more Janet videos according to Janet-Love.com
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Post by ClassicCase on Feb 5, 2004 8:53:31 GMT -5
I think Janet may need to wait a couple more years to release an album. People are not going to get over this that fast. Classic what do you and Krazymack think Janet needs to do to patch things up with the American public? I don't like what Janet did any more than you all do but I am glad she took full responsibility for her actions while all the others were pointing fingers at each other. Way to show class after such a classless mistake, Janet. As I have stated before, Adonis, with the Super Bowl incident that went way over the top, it's extremely unforgivable to the viewing public who watch a prime time sports program. We may have to look at it this way: Janet needs to stay out of the public for a while. She knew that she was in the wrong and is not proud of it. Also, keep in mind that Janet is not the only person that was responsible of this action. Justin grabbed the breastplate really hard and as I have stated, he doesn't know his own grip. Therefore, they're both responsible. In fact I didn't buy the "wardrobe malfunction" story Justin claimed. It's bullshit to me. If he thinks it is, he should've blamed the seamstress for using too much loose thread. I also was informed that she will not make the presentation at the Grammys to honor Luther Vandross (note that she collaborated with him in 1992 for The Best Things In Life Are Free for the "Mo' Money" soundtrack). Janet, in my opinion, really needs to really think it over about what she did. I saw the video-taped apology that was aired yesterday. And I say. it's not enough to convince anyone to hear the end of it. Unlike Mariah Carey's situation which her movie AND the soundtrack flopped back in '01 plus the emotional breakdowns, Janet was woman enough to admit her faults to the nation. But the question is, will she be in an emotional breakdown because of Sunday night's mess? We won't know yet. But now that the children who are anywhere from 5 to maybe 12 years old or so, learned the mysterious anatomy of what a woman breast looks like, a lot of questions will be raised and mom would have the hardest time explaining why breasts develop at a certain size. It's only human nature, but covered up for the sake of decency. Janet needs to stay out of the spotlight for a couple of years. Or better yet, take time off from recording another album or hold off on the album until the we can finally see through our hearts to forgive her. She and Justin has flagrantly stained the sanctity of family values as we know it. And Justin is not off the hook, either. His family feels embarrassed as he was? C'mon, man! It has got to be THE DUMBEST F**KED UP EXCUSE THAT EVER DISPLAYED ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!! They knew the reprecussions that costs the CBS network and its affiliates a ton of money in fines. As much as I hate to say this, CBS and its affilates stations are the ones hit with the "black eye" from the FCC and a much bigger one to MTV-a basic cable channel. But let me stress this: her album sales will not be the same as others may expect. Janet can go on apologizing all she wants and Justin to do the same likewise. Just like the fallout of Jerry Lee Lewis who married his cousin who was only 15 at the time, sunk a new low when news broke out while he was on tour in England and later here in the US. That was after Great Balls Of Fire went through the roof and then later when that controversy hit home crash-landed his career into oblivion. To sum this up: These things will present itself in time.
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Post by Ragin on Feb 5, 2004 9:36:42 GMT -5
But they're still naked. The fact that their penises or breasts or whatever are obscured doesn't change that. I'm just saying that, to me, it seems like CBS is playing both sides. If the Survivor nudity is OK, why isn't this? Because they didn't expect it? I should add that I'm not really as concerned about this issue as I sound like. I'm just trying to make conversation. ;) I think you make a great point here. That IS very hypocritical of them.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 5, 2004 13:37:47 GMT -5
I'm sure Janet has gained a lot of new fans because of all this. Everyone I know thinks it's the greatest thing she's ever done!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2004 14:35:17 GMT -5
Unlike Mariah Carey's situation which her movie AND the soundtrack flopped back in '01 plus the emotional breakdowns, Janet was woman enough to admit her faults to the nation. I don't understand this statement at all. Mariah was supposed to make a public apology for "Glitter"? "uhh"
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Post by krazymack on Feb 5, 2004 18:39:16 GMT -5
I'm sure Janet has gained a lot of new fans because of all this. Everyone I know thinks it's the greatest thing she's ever done! *shrugs* Great, same goes for former fans who thought it was the sickest thing that she's ever done.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 5, 2004 18:53:34 GMT -5
*shrugs* Great, same goes for former fans who thought it was the sickest thing that she's ever done. Krazymack, is there anyway Janet can get past this with the former fans?
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Post by ClassicCase on Feb 5, 2004 20:16:07 GMT -5
I don't understand this statement at all. Mariah was supposed to make a public apology for "Glitter"? "uhh" To clear the smoke on this, there are two differences: Mariah was on the same record label Janet is on, released a soundtrack for the movie then months after it became a massive disappointment, it's breakdown city. Therefore she did nothing wrong. Then less than a year later, she rebounded and came back big. Josh, there was no apology involved for Mariah. She was at the wrong label at the wrong time (they should be the ones to apologize for creating a bad image, IMO). However that's beside the point. Janet, on the other hand, apologized more times than anyone I knew. What I was trying to get at is--what if this whole boob thing continue to be in the minds of the media and then suddenly she develops an emotional and mental breakdown?. In other words, a bad experience happened to a former labelmate (now with Island/DefJam) through a lot of stress and another currently becomes a controversial figure just to create shock value (and Madonna was pondering as to why she didn't think of this) to over 90 million viewers. If I mislead you in some way in my posts, that's just my opinion.
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