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Post by Focus on Jun 26, 2008 7:26:53 GMT -5
Nice first post jessayli!
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Post by beelzebub666 on Jun 26, 2008 7:29:00 GMT -5
I have to admit that with the roster of people she is working with on the new CD, I fear that she may lose some of the artistic cred she worked so hard for. I hope everyone rememebers that she is basically fulfilling a promise that she made to get MD released and not jumping on the producer du jour bandwagon just to try to get big hits again. Personally, I would be happy if none of her CDs went more than platinum ever again if it meant that she was writing all her own songs and releasing music exactly as she wanted to. That's not to say that the new CD won't have Kelly's hand all over it, it just seems like it is more of a "business" CD than an artistic statement. I'd much prefer a few minutes of raw emotion than a carefully crafted beat scientifically designed to rise up the charts and appeal to multiple demographics.
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Post by kcchica on Jun 26, 2008 9:30:09 GMT -5
I have to admit that with the roster of people she is working with on the new CD, I fear that she may lose some of the artistic cred she worked so hard for. I hope everyone rememebers that she is basically fulfilling a promise that she made to get MD released and not jumping on the producer du jour bandwagon just to try to get big hits again. Personally, I would be happy if none of her CDs went more than platinum ever again if it meant that she was writing all her own songs and releasing music exactly as she wanted to. That's not to say that the new CD won't have Kelly's hand all over it, it just seems like it is more of a "business" CD than an artistic statement. I'd much prefer a few minutes of raw emotion than a carefully crafted beat scientifically designed to rise up the charts and appeal to multiple demographics. Nice post, and I have to agree with the majority of it. Isn't it funny how diverse Kelly's fans are? On one hand, there are the fans who are like beezlebub, and there are the fans that are like Music4aw. By the way Music, your previous post does ring true also! Not saying either view is right or wrong, there is no right or wrong, only opinion. I just think it is a testimony to the talent and appeal of Ms. Clarkson is all. Too have fans that range in the uber pop realm to the realm of indie cred is amazing to me.
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Post by QAF on Jun 26, 2008 10:04:35 GMT -5
I'm hoping to see the best of both worlds so I'm going to keep my fingers crossed.
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Post by jessayli on Jun 26, 2008 16:21:42 GMT -5
In general, I don't think people will really hold the big songwriters on the roster for album 4 against her. No matter what, Kelly has at least made herself a very interesting artist, which people will acknowledge. Carrie Underwood has had a very successful career so far, and probably will continue to. Like most singers, odds are that she will continue to put out what works: the similar country pop sound. But Kelly plans on doing the opposite, and coming out with a different sound each time. With her fight for MD, she has made herself very interesting, and it will keep people curious to what is next.
Aben has said that the songs so far sound really good, and I do trust Aben's opinion, as well as Kelly's. The Tedder description did sound interesting and experimental: a 80s (I believe) Garbage pop/rock sound with a Mozart inspired bridge. Hopefully this type of creativity is behind a lot of the songs on album 4.
IMO, it is also very important that Kelly gets a few of her songs on there (I am really really really hoping for "Ready," which I think is heart-breaking, lyrically incredible, and catchy). The songs that Kelly and her band come up with are fantastic, and if a few of them are on album 4, the masses of people who buy the album b/c of the hit "H" song (let's just pretend we know that it will be on her album), will also be able to listen to and be touched by some of Kelly's own stuff. (I just imagine how many people would rave about "Irvine," "Hole," and "Maybe" had they been on Breakaway... actually, if any of the darker MD songs were on Breakaway, I am confident they would have received high acclaim). So, here's hoping to that: some hits that Kelly sings fantastically well (her covers of other people's songs are so incredible b/c of her voice and her ability to sing straight from the heart), some collaborations that still have a touch of creativity, and some more songs penned by Kelly and her band. IMO, that would be a decent compromise, and something that I think is in the realm of possibility for this next album.
I do kinda hope, though, that she will part ways with RCA after album 5. And sorry for these long posts... I promise I wont always be this wordy. =)
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Post by kckoolaid3 on Jun 27, 2008 0:30:29 GMT -5
All i want is a new cd that wont ever be untrue to Kelly I want to hear her beautiful voice with great melodies I want to see her inspiring lyrics and with a new great arsenal of songs This is what i expect and cant wait for for her 4TH CD!!!!!!!!
also tom will be a year with you guys!!!!! :) :) :)
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Post by kcchica on Jun 27, 2008 8:29:23 GMT -5
Garbage is from the 90's :)! This is another thing that makes Kelly interesting, the fact that she works so closely with her band. Most artists of Kelly's caliber don't interact much with their band, let alone write music with them! Which just shows me that Kelly is interested in making music, not about making hits/money. Oh, I am sure she likes those things, but they are not her main drive/focus. Session/band musicians aren't in the biz for the glory, but for the love of music, and for Kelly to be involved with her band on that level just speaks volumes to me.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 27, 2008 9:26:01 GMT -5
Garbage is from the 90's :)! This is another thing that makes Kelly interesting, the fact that she works so closely with her band. Most artists of Kelly's caliber don't interact much with their band, let alone write music with them! Which just shows me that Kelly is interested in making music, not about making hits/money. Oh, I am sure she likes those things, but they are not her main drive/focus. Session/band musicians aren't in the biz for the glory, but for the love of music, and for Kelly to be involved with her band on that level just speaks volumes to me. Artistic success, love of music, and commercial success are not mutually exclusive. If they were, people like Lucianno Pavarotti would never have sold millions of records.
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Post by kcchica on Jun 28, 2008 7:12:18 GMT -5
Garbage is from the 90's :)! This is another thing that makes Kelly interesting, the fact that she works so closely with her band. Most artists of Kelly's caliber don't interact much with their band, let alone write music with them! Which just shows me that Kelly is interested in making music, not about making hits/money. Oh, I am sure she likes those things, but they are not her main drive/focus. Session/band musicians aren't in the biz for the glory, but for the love of music, and for Kelly to be involved with her band on that level just speaks volumes to me. Artistic success, love of music, and commercial success are not mutually exclusive. If they were, people like Lucianno Pavarotti would never have sold millions of records. Very, very true Music4aw! I guess my thing is it is just refreshing to see an artist actually care about the music rather than the fame. I don't get that sense from alot of artists now a days, but that is just me. But then again, I have never really been a mainstream music fan, more of the off beaten track music fan. And sometimes it is a rare thing to have all three of those things come together. Hopefully that will happen again for Kelly with this new album. I think Jack Johnson is one good example of this at the moment! I guess my point is just that--- for someone who was supposed to be a manufactured bubblegum pop star from a TV show no less, Kelly continues to impress me as a person and an artist.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 28, 2008 16:34:29 GMT -5
I guess my point is just that--- for someone who was supposed to be a manufactured bubblegum pop star from a TV show no less, Kelly continues to impress me as a person and an artist. Kelly has always impressed me, from the first time I saw her sing on AI. That's the only reason I keep hanging around here (although now I also like David Cook and will be trying to follow his career). I agree with you that so much of today's music (not just pop) is lame, empty junk. I applaud Kelly for trying to do something better than that. But there is also nothing wrong whatsoever in seeing the girl earn a buck for her efforts. We all either go out there as adults and earn bucks, or we rely on the support of someone who does. So why should anyone expect people with marketable talents to work only -- emphasize only -- for someone's notion of "cred." Whatever choices Kelly makes, she makes. It is what it is. None of us can do a damned thing about it except to buy her material if we like it. But I own my thoughts and feelings, no one else. Certainly not anyone who keeps trying to tell me that because Kelly says she has enough money, I shouldn't care about the commercial aspects of her career. I'm hoping as hard as I can that her next album is a smash. I'm not in the least bit worried about "cred" where Kelly is concerned. Why? The best answer I can give is this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilyoScPXgI4
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 29, 2008 1:33:28 GMT -5
I keep resisting the impulse to respond to Ave Maria as I seem to be in the minority here but it keeps getting referenced so I can't pass it up any longer. That is nowhere near my favorite Kelly performance nor do I believe it is the most indicative of her talents, most noticeably because of breath control. (Honestly, I was left uninspired by it. Don't shoot me.) I think she has one of the richest, most soulful voices in pop music today and there are countless other tunes that prove her to be one of the finer vocalists of her generation but this just isn't one of them IMO. (I do recognize it was performed outside and would probably impress me more in a controlled environment.) It wasn't bad by any means. Clearly, she did a great job on a such a challenging song but many continue to refer to it as the defining performance and I just don't see it the same way.
I would put her performance of Up To The Mountain as the most defining of her vocal talent, both technically and emotionally. Good vocal and breathing control. Great range with equal strength on both ends. Emotive.
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 29, 2008 6:51:17 GMT -5
Keeps getting referenced? Since its original airing, references to this performance have resurfaced in this thread about three or four times, appeared in a few different poll forum threads and I believe a couple of references in the opinion forum.
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Post by kcchica on Jun 29, 2008 7:52:17 GMT -5
Ha, that is funny the way you put it Music4aw~ ! No, nothing wrong at all for earning a buck, and she is definitely worth it! I completely understand where you are coming from! Ya have to think though, why doesn't Kelly do more endorsement deals than she does? Is it because she is not offered these things, or is it her choice not to? I guess my thing isn't so much of the commercial success, but the fame game, which Kelly doesn't really play into, which I respect. AMEN to that, but it is fun to discuss the difference of opinions when done in an adult matter. Anyway, I agree with you about David Cook, I plan to follow him at this point also!
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Post by cg on Jun 29, 2008 9:59:16 GMT -5
An artist has to be careful of just taking every endorsement deal that comes along. Quickly the impact of the name becomes diluted, and devalued.
Plus, endorsing a product that you can stand behind is important. Not every product that the artist would like, is approaching them constantly.
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Post by Focus on Jun 29, 2008 11:23:31 GMT -5
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 29, 2008 11:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 29, 2008 12:43:35 GMT -5
I keep resisting the impulse to respond to Ave Maria as I seem to be in the minority here but it keeps getting referenced so I can't pass it up any longer. That is nowhere near my favorite Kelly performance nor do I believe it is the most indicative of her talents, most noticeably because of breath control. (Honestly, I was left uninspired by it. Don't shoot me.) I think she has one of the richest, most soulful voices in pop music today and there are countless other tunes that prove her to be one of the finer vocalists of her generation but this just isn't one of them IMO. (I do recognize it was performed outside and would probably impress me more in a controlled environment.) It wasn't bad by any means. Clearly, she did a great job on a such a challenging song but many continue to refer to it as the defining performance and I just don't see it the same way. I would put her performance of Up To The Mountain as the most defining of her vocal talent, both technically and emotionally. Good vocal and breathing control. Great range with equal strength on both ends. Emotive. Your response is very intersting to me. Why? Because I didn't in any way characterize or qualify why I posted the link to Kelly's version of Schubert's 'Ave Maria.' I deliberately left it open for others to interpret why I chose that performance as an example of the reason I'm not worried about Kelly's "cred." Your interpretation is that I meant it as "the most defining of her vocal talent," which you speak of in technical terms. Your interpretation is yours, and quite legitimate in the context of your worldview. THAT was my subtle point. We each have our own viewpoints. Mine may be offbeat to the prevailing opinion on these Kelly threads, but it is no less legitimate. When I chose Kelly's 'Ave Maria' performance, I was not thinking in the terms you expressed. Rather, I was thinking of the warmth, sincerity, emotion, and simple beauty she brought to her performance. To put it simply, that peformance touches me. I never over-analyze music. For me, it's always about this: does it touch me in some way or not. I'm not worried about Kelly's "cred" because she has an amazing ability to touch a wide range of people with her music. It's what won her AI and what has sustained her career afterwards. Her 'Ave Maria' performance exemplifies that, because it even got through to some of the most cold, cynical people on the planet -- reporters. What I am worried about is Kelly's longevity in the business. I don't want her to just fade away like the vast majority of singers do. BTW, you aren't wrong. Kelly does have breath control problems sometimes. No question about it. Exercise, both physical and vocal, as well as less jumping around during performances, would easily correct that. With better breath control, she would stay on melody, not resort to screaming, and avoid abusing her vocal instrument as much as she sometimes does. But again, this is technical stuff. Boatloads of really good technical singers are out there to be heard at all levels of society. It's a very, very, VERY rare one who can get through to the core of my heart and soul. Kelly does.
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 29, 2008 13:18:55 GMT -5
Your response is very intersting to me. Why? Because I didn't in any way characterize or qualify why I posted the link to Kelly's version of Schubert's 'Ave Maria.' I understand. Perhaps I should have led into my response a little more. In fact, it wasn't a reply to you per se. Just a long delayed posting about my opinion of that performance. It would have been better suited as a response to posts before and not yours. I just chose your post (and reference to the song) as the springboard to finally share my opinion.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 29, 2008 13:26:16 GMT -5
Your response is very intersting to me. Why? Because I didn't in any way characterize or qualify why I posted the link to Kelly's version of Schubert's 'Ave Maria.' I understand. Perhaps I should have led into my response a little more. In fact, it wasn't a reply to you per se. Just a long delayed posting about my opinion of that performance. It would have been better suited as a response to posts before and not yours. I just chose your post (and reference to the song) as the springboard to finally share my opinion. I'm glad you shared your opinion, because it opened a fresh path for discussion. Same-old, same-old gets very boring after awhile.
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Post by Berry on Jun 29, 2008 23:11:26 GMT -5
Great song, nice harmony and director Kelly was pretty funny. Still no album news, but how about a sighting:
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Post by K. on Jun 29, 2008 23:12:46 GMT -5
Those girls are great singers. I wish they would try out for idol and save us from the terrible talent of the past two years (excepting a few ;))
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Post by kcchica on Jun 30, 2008 7:20:18 GMT -5
An artist has to be careful of just taking every endorsement deal that comes along. Quickly the impact of the name becomes diluted, and devalued. Plus, endorsing a product that you can stand behind is important. Not every product that the artist would like, is approaching them constantly. I understand about the endorsement deals, that was my whole point actually. If Kelly was motivated by commerical success, she would be out there hockin products left and right or leasing her songs for commericals. And she doesn't, so I was wondering if it is because she is not asked or because she truly doesn't want to go that route. My thing is in today's world of celebrity obsession and celebs being more for the fame than for the art of what they are doing, I admire artists that could appear to give a rat's ass about such things. Not saying that it is wrong or anything, just my personal opinion. Personally I come from the vein of thought that endorsements and such is "selling out". My views have changed on this somewhat over the years, but sometimes it is hard to do! And a whole other topic all together! Thanks for the link Focus. Jill and Kate are very talented ladies.
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Post by hannah on Jun 30, 2008 7:45:29 GMT -5
thanks for posting. they sound really good together! and you cant help but laugh at what kelly says.
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Post by QAF on Jun 30, 2008 12:34:41 GMT -5
That video of Jill and Kate is really cute and Kelly is funny as all get out.
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Post by Berry on Jun 30, 2008 16:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by Focus on Jun 30, 2008 16:40:26 GMT -5
How great is that!! I hope we get to hear what they come up with.
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Post by neally on Jun 30, 2008 22:08:40 GMT -5
How great is that!! I hope we get to hear what they come up with. Since I wasn't too familar with the former writer, I looked him up and here is resume to date: www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=1514223&search_in=c&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=20&start=1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_PinnickMotley Crue speaks for itself..... This record is becoming more and more interesting with each tidbit of info !!! My anticipation for this record is far greater than that from the last record since at that time, Kelly previewed some of her 'My December' songs ('Yeah', 'Maybe', and 'One Minute') well before the record dropped. With this record, we are being pulled in different directions (almost being "torn into pieces", lol) with R&B, Rock, and Pop writers. Can I squeal a big ol' EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!
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Post by selenatisdale411 on Jul 1, 2008 1:47:21 GMT -5
Has Kelly worked with Danja on this album? Sorry, don't want to go through 25 pages of reading at midnight.
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Post by otternobetter87 on Jul 1, 2008 2:43:07 GMT -5
Not that we know of, no...
Heres a list of people we've heard so far:
Ryan Tedder Dallas Austin Mick Mars & Doug Pinnick Sam & Louis (don't even know there last names) and most likely Aben Eubanks (this might be wishful thinking on my part haha.)
I'm probably missing someone, but thats all I can remember atm.
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Post by K. on Jul 1, 2008 7:56:55 GMT -5
I'm excited for Austin's stuff. One of my favorite producers.
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